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Posted: 6/9/2005 7:32:01 AM | True. It's not against the law to be bizzare. He was also due to appear in court in Canada on the same day, for threatening to murder the guy that he eventually did kill.
Anyway, it seems odd that the same people who complain about the govt restricting people's rights, want the govt to restrict people's rights. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 7:56:58 AM | It is in my opinion, a lack of trained and qualified individuals manning BOTH our borders with little to no equipment in which to properly investigate and identify these "peoples of interest" that is the bigger problem.
Both of our governments claim that this is a priority, yet when push comes to shove these are not well trained or even well paid individuals.
I know for a fact that the Canadian government is charging all our airports a fee for increased security. Yet the responsibility for hiring; screening and training of these employees lies with the individual airport authorities.
I don't know much about the American system, but I can't help but feel that those airports are pretty much in the same boat.
Just my thoughts... | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 7:58:47 AM | Hmmm. In a previous post, you stated this:
They held him for two hours under questioning, checked for ANY warrants, and found none.
And now you state this:
He was also due to appear in court in Canada on the same day, for threatening to murder the guy that he eventually did kill.
While they were checking his backgound, you might think this little tidbit of information would give them pause. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 8:25:41 AM |
They checked for warrents and found none. I don't think Canada had issued a warrent at the time.
The court case he was supposed to be at that day would be a matter of public record. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 8:36:19 AM | While that may be true how would they know he didn't show up for court.
You mean if I get a speeding ticket here in Michigan and don't show up for court and I decide to go to Windsor to visit the casino's........at the border I show up as having a court date? | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 9:01:19 AM |
He was also due to appear in court in Canada on the same day, for threatening to murder the guy that he eventually did kill.
But I thought the Customs agents checked for warrants and didn't find any.. Yet this fellow was due to appear in court.. Gee, those agents must have looked pretty hard, eh?
Too busy playing with the swords, I guess.
same people who complain about the govt restricting people's rights, want the govt to restrict people's rights
Crossing a border carrying multiple weapons covered in fresh blood is a little different than crossing a border wearing a turban.. Yet these days its the folks wearing the turbans or having an arabic last name that are being treated like criminals.
Fresh blood! Yes, the customs folks aren't forensic people.. Don't you think the bloody weapons might have been a clue to call forensic agents in?! | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 9:02:50 AM |
While that may be true how would they know he didn't show up for court.
The fact that he's supposed to be *in* court that day is on the public record. If he's trying to cross the border, I don't think he's honestly trying to make that appointment, do you? | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 9:05:07 AM | First of all, racial profiling works, but calling it racial profiling is misleading, its not like customs or the RCMP are sitting there going "Hey, that guy isnt white, lets give him a hard time". Law enforment uses common sense, someone comming from a third world country with family here is going to have a much larger chance of illegally immigrating then an american canadian citzen. Young people get hassled to, so what, alot of the time they get caught for various things but that never gets reported on.
As far as this case goes, that guy looked weird, really werid i've seen his picture, so guess what they did what would basically fit under the same window as "racial profiling" and detained him, and there intuition was correct to do so.
-Canadian Immigration would likely have never seen this individual, as far as american immigration is concerned he is a home bound resident and just as long as he declares to them that he has the weapons he hasnt committed a crime.
As far as getting the warrants and such, some border crossings are pretty ghetto they were likely not able to acess the same information as your average border crossing | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 9:06:50 AM | some border crossings are pretty ghetto
They have phones, don't they? It's as simple as one call to the RCMP...
>>coati seriously man, you think customs has acess to peoples court dates!?!
These agents have guns don't they? The authority to detain and forcibly search someone.. The authority to perform body-cavity searches even..
I'd certainly hope that if they were going to do that, they would have access to the best information to back up their actions. If they don't, maybe you should look at exactly how your government is handling the war on terrorism...
How would this story have been if it had been an arabic fellow trying to cross the border carrying a hatchet, bloody swords and a bloody chainsaw?
And racial profiling doesn't work dude. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 9:19:44 AM | He was also due to appear in court in Canada on the same day, for threatening to murder the guy that he eventually did kill.
Threatening to murder? Did I hear that right? You mean he threatened to murder and still was walking the streets. I don't know about Canada but here in the US that holds a stiff penalty. If I threatened to murder someone here in the US I probably would be locked up til after my court date. Either that post bond. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 9:43:06 AM | Alright fine, giver if you want to have some sort of system that has everyones court dates on easily acessible electronic file, though, this is speculation, i dont think they could legally do that since the individuals involved havent actually be convicted of a crime yet.
Yes american customs officers have guns, thats a different, complicated issue.
Body cavity searchs are dealing with an entirly different issue also, detaining and searching is customs dealing with a crime in progress, detain someone for unknown or suspected crimes is a very different thing.
Arabic dude, if he was also a naturalized resident would get treated exactly the same way.
Seriously what evidence do you have that racial profiling doesnt work because it seems like everyone involved does | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 9:44:28 AM | foxfire are different legal systems are a different issue
canada has less repeat offenders and a lower murder rate, so apparently penatlies may not be the issue | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 10:14:45 AM | | A warrant for arrest is MUCH different than a court summons. Don't you all ever watch Law and Order? For crying out loud, this is common sense. When he threatened to kill someone a WARRANT was issued, and he was (likely) arrested. He was then charged with a crime, and whatever kind of bail or release was determined by the Canadian courts was issued, he was set free, to await a hearing or indictment. C'mon people, use your head. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 10:16:44 AM |
what evidence do you have that racial profiling doesnt work
What evidence do you have that it does? How many innocent people get pulled aside, or like Maher Arar, deported to other countries when guys with bloody chainsaws just waltz through customs?
I think this psycho getting through is clear evidence that racial profiling *doesn't* work. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 10:17:26 AM |
Don't you all ever watch Law and Order?
If you're basing your opinion on a television show than it'll be treated with exactly the respect that it deserves. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 10:19:23 AM | | I work in law enforcement, my evidence is that which I have seen with my own eyes, and heard from other people in the field | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 7:42:35 PM |
Alright fine, giver if you want to have some sort of system that has everyones court dates on easily acessible electronic file, though, this is speculation, i dont think they could legally do that since the individuals involved havent actually be convicted of a crime yet.
True. ^^^ And even then, I don't think that a country would place itself in the position to start detaining people because they had a court date in another country. I think some people are expecting a bit too much from Customs. They aren't there to get your life story, check if you're supposed to be in court in another country, and assume the role of freelance, forensic detectives. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 8:55:49 PM |
I think some people are expecting a bit too much from Customs. They aren't there to get your life story, check if you're supposed to be in court in another country, and assume the role of freelance, forensic detectives.
Usually I would agree with you. But in this case, the fellow was carrying multiple weapons - some covered in FRESH BLOOD!
At what point does a customs agent get suspicious and check with the police? This guy cut the head off of his 70 year old neighbor.. If he had carried it with him through customs, would you still say that he should have been allowed through?!
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Posted: 6/9/2005 10:01:57 PM | | What part don't you understand? They checked for warrants, and found NONE. What do you want them to do? Call every single police oficer in the entire world, and ask them if they have any bodies laying around, with possible chainsaw wounds? THEY ARE NOT FORENSIC DETECTIVES. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 11:04:14 PM |
When he threatened to kill someone a WARRANT was issued, and he was (likely) arrested.
They checked for warrants, and found NONE.
Previous warrants are a matter of public record too.
By the way, authorities have the power to detain somebody for a period of time if they have reasonable and probable cause. I would say a bloody chainsaw would fit reasonable and probable cause.
Regardless, I don't think this one case is indicative of all US border guards. The reason I am pressing this is because people of a similar mindset to you keep blasting Canada, and saying we are lax in who we let into the country. However, now that the shoe is on the other foot, you seem to think it is a non-issue. | |
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