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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/22/2007 6:47:33 AM |
I am positive if there was no 'doctor lie', that every one of you naysayers would have just focused on something else in the story and called it a massive red flag, enough to murder the guy over. No one is looking to "murder" this guy, just point out his player-like characteristics.
when you state as a FACT that the guy is married and unemployed, that he's a big player trying to sleep with as many women as he can .... and there hasn't been a shred of evidence to support it, how is that nicely offering some helpful advice? Not all of us said this about this guy. What I do know is the guy lied about his vocation, and I surmised he has a slick player approach (I know guys who do his schtick, witnessed them on the hookup and then tell me about their one-nighters).
I see no proof that this guy and his friend tell lies to get each other laid. No proof indeed, but strong evidence.
he sure hasn't been acting like it, staying in touch with the OP and trying to arrange a friendly 'out to dinner' date. If he was trying to get laid, he would ask her over to his house. Of course since you all have an excuse for everything, you would say he's just extra smooth, making THIS date out in public to lower her guard, etc etc. I've seen my one friend do this OFTEN. In poker, it's called a "slow play".
Then if he had admitted it instantly, you guys would back up again and say 'well he shouldnt have said it in the first place'. He should have immediately corrected his friend's mistake about his vocation. In not doing so, that's strong player evidence.
If Merf had her way, and the 'do not date list' was a reality, she would say that guy should be on it. He's a danger to the public, better kill him now before he gets drunk and pretends to be a doctor for a few hours again. I don't see eye-to-eye on much with Merf, and I don't think this guy is a danger to the public--just calling a spade a spade here in this one particular instance. | |
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/22/2007 7:27:54 AM | Dating these days you better get use to alot of hurt and rejection... it is not the scene it use to be!
In any selection process there is more rejection than there is acceptance. It's always been that way. It all depends on whether you focus on all that you didn't get or look forward to what you plan to get. I'd be in a sorry state if I focused on those who "rejected" me. But it looks different if you think of it as they are telling you that they are not what you want. I appreciate people helping me not waste my time. The real pain comes when I or the other tries to become what is wanted and we end up wasting days, weeks, months, or years before learning its not a match. It hurts when you discover that you really were still "alone" and that all the messages and signals you were getting were not real. | |
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/22/2007 1:04:14 PM |
In response to merf
First of all I'm also 40 something and I don't think it's ok to lie. It's a very bad idea in my opinion. Lots of people tell lies, especially in bars, it's not a capital offense especially when he's obviously come clean. You're actually splitting hairs by assuming he came clean because he knew he was busted, I tend to believe he came clean because he wanted to see if this would work out. Guys don't explain themselves to women they're just trying to have a one night stand with, they walk away and look for someone else.
Secondly, you kind of sound like a lawyer in your posts. You seem intent on convicting someone for something that was a bad idea but seems pretty trivial in the grand scheme of life. I'm not justifying his behavior in anyway I'm saying it's probably not that big of a sin, and it could easily be overlooked.
Thirdly, you choose to see it as a big lie, I totally disagree, it's pretty minimal, he already cleared it up, she's willing to move on... a big lie is "I'm not married" or "no I was never in prison". Try and keep a reasonable perspective.
He made a mistake. Clearly it's a bad idea to lie in bars or let your friend lie for you in bars. Incidently, they're totally not the same thing because the friend might be thinking "hey I'll help my buddy get laid" and the guy might be thinking "wow, I like this girl, I could see us dating". | |
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/22/2007 3:54:05 PM | ^^^^ fun in the sun, i appreciate your perspective, really i do. "don't make a mountain out of a mole hill." right.
um, lying is a mountain. 
i just don't like lying. period. and i don't tell lies. in any context. i guess we might call it a pet peeve. :-)
guys i date can count on my honesty, period.
it's just not ok with me to lie to people -- just as it is just not ok with a lot of the people who've posted here. yes, i feel quite strongly about that -- and no, you don' t have to agree. yes, it is a BIG lie -- lying about your height by half an inch is a small lie, lying about being a doctor when really you are who knows what, that's a big lie.
i'd forgive a guy for adding half an inch to his height; no way in hell would i forgive him for representing who he is and what he does for a living.
what kind of credibility would i have with guys i date if i lied, upon meeting them, about what i do with my life? which means, who i am. why would any guy want to date me once he found out that i had lied and told him i'm a doctor when really i teach college english? big difference. particularly in income.
how would you feel if we met in a bar and i told you i'm independently wealthy and own two picasso's (as one guy told me -- actually, he's a driver -- big difference) when the reality is that i am a teacher who (like a driver) doesn't make bupkis? (don't know how to spell bupkis. :-)) if i was looking for a rich guy, in other words, if i was a gold digger, those lies would likely have seduced me. (but that's not what i'm about, so, it didn't work.)
have a beautiful evening everybody! | |
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/22/2007 4:07:17 PM |
how would you feel if we met in a bar and i told you i'm independently wealthy and own two picasso's (as one guy told me -- actually, he's a driver -- big difference) when the reality is that i am a teacher who (like a driver) doesn't make bupkis? (don't know how to spell bupkis. :-)) if i was looking for a rich guy, in other words, if i was a gold digger, those lies would likely have seduced me. (but that's not what i'm about, so, it didn't work.)
personally if owning a picasso seduces you then you kind of own being duped. It actually makes me chuckle a little that the people most likely to be burned by a lie like his friends are gold diggers. I really don't feel their pain. Personally I wouldn't sell myself so cheaply and material things don't mean that much to me. The only reasons I strive to make a good living are because money equates to freedom and who doesn't want to provide a nice lifestyle for their children. I could be happy living in a shack on a beach as a wreck diver and if it paid 6 figures I would sign up tommorrow. | |
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/22/2007 4:13:05 PM | go for a walk in a meadow with a poetry book... perhaps Tennyson.. or Keats.. a romantic interlude... read words of love.. read and imagine someone being so loving and integral....respectful....to you....
then...
take a look at the man and the situation from another vantage point... you will be able to listento your inner voice .... the outcome is in your hands...
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/22/2007 4:55:32 PM | I hope you read this I know alot of people on here have already given you some closure on this incident . Another perspective and also I think one of hte guys hit the nail right on the head.. Forget the nancy drew approach when it comes to guys!!! Women always give advice on guys and yo know what thats why they are by them selves with there advice to keep them warm!!! This guy didnt lie about it his friend did , about being the Doctor.. has happend to me .. rather than blow it (whether he really liked you or not like you said it was trivial) he still was kool right .. guys dont waste time corting a girl unless they are interested .. Believe Me!!!
He met you .. liked you yo had great chemistry he knew it .. the two daughters yes a sign but not what you think.. any guy who has two daughters like that .. has to have a crazy woman around some where.. I think maybe things where over for him and his ex.. but shes still with the drama.. he planned a date with you wanted to meet with you but then she came with the drama.. rather than spoil the vibe he had with you .. he tried to handle the drama with her.. to free himself up to see you when he couldnt .. he had to choose .. his happiness or his daughters... its sad but many women (if I can call them that) will use there kids to hold on to the father no matter how long they been split Ive gone throught that .. myself.. plenty of times I wanted to pull my hair out by the routes. My ex did eveything when I started meeting frineds from taking me to court for more child support to calling people to start drama with me or any one I was interested in .. in the end I just dated out of state.. on my weekends off.. and I only had two days really to work with .. then also you have to understand when you have a real **** for a babies mother( wow thats sounds so gheetto ) if she see your happily moving on .. she tends to make it hard to see your kids.. again the court issue" hes dating girls in and out of his place all the time!!" In the endhe left it like he did cause how can he explain to you .. my ex is a **** I dont want to cause you any drama.. and I hope to maybe in the future get together with you .. Nahhh thats too much to explain to a greaat girl who he really likes that soon... Ive met great women when in the begining I was very honest with them " I have a son whose 3 and I have him every other weekend and weds, his mother is still really disgruntled with the way we broke up. ... I pay child support and she still gives me hell.. if she knows Im dating you she will keep me from my kid!!! and make trouble for you... and you would be like what?? TOO MUCH BAGGAGE IM OUT !! doctor or not!!! no one wants that kinda drama.... So instead of scaring a girl away .. I tell them about the son .. how old he was nevr introduce unless I know that they would be around for a good while and even then in a limited amounts but then it took me time to figure clever ways to date and keep her in the dark about it.. usually girls like my ex and Im figuring his ex dont go away without leaving there "womans scorn mark" or until they find another guys to get there claws into.. then and only then a guy like him and me have to take our time and just take care of our kids .. His major fault here is that he let a very beautiful alluring woman as your self go away feeling stupid .. YOURRRE NOTT!!!! DONT CHANGE !!! PLEASE there are so many guys like me and maybe him too despite his circumstances.. and how he tretaed you .. that are great and smart and will treat you great even if they are not Doctors .. and this was just an experience that didnt go too well .. Considder this what if he had you over after a month or so and all of a sudden heres the ex.. with the girls.. out side slashing your tires.... or your face.. Ive seen it .. I met a girl who was beautiful had a daughter had been broken up with her boyfriend for two years.. she invited me for dinner I came we ate and then the ex brought the baby to drop her off .. it was late I should have left but we had such agreat convo going so she was going to put her daughter to bed and I was going to leave.. you know the ex was a nice guy, he shook my hand we chatted about the game on the nite before .. and he was bout to leave .. I sat there at the table as she closed the door behind him and he left do you know !! he took her damn keys to the house with him .. I left and kiss good nite to her was getting in my car and noticed glass .. adn a full forty bottle in my back seat.. then I heard the baby crying and a few screams I went back up the stairs and dude was beating this girl down.. unbelieveable!!!    | |
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/22/2007 6:29:21 PM | HI! Go talk to my friend so he can butter you up! Here let me buy you a drink, check out my wallet full of money, OH! Come see my new car, YEAH BABY, I really like the way you put your tongue in my mouth, Oh yeah, Im not a doctor but I play one on TV. lets go out sometime, not tonight, maybe tomorrow, no wait, thats booked with the other girl I picked up last week, she thinks Im a lawyer! Did you see my wallet? And my new car? Trust me, Im hung like a Budweiser clydesdale! Here let me buy you a rose. need another drink? I have a new car, and a very small sense of security, among other things. But for real, I 'll buy you dinner. Just not when its convenient for you.
Please! It makes me sick how these guys pull this crap, and the women just hang on their every word! OH NO! He lost his signal! Will he never call again!? Maybe he will be honest next time. What should I do? WHAT SHOULD I DO?
Its amazing some women get ANYTHING accomplished in life when this is the crap that they get stuck on!!!!!!
Like sands through the hourglass, these are the days of our lives!
Hey sweetie! Try a decent guy who WONT bullshit you after the first drink he buys you! You deserve better! MUCH better. Scamming girls in a bar is as fabled as the oldest profession! | |
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/22/2007 8:49:39 PM | lol, of course she's OK, it's not like 1 date in 10 is with a psycho not even 1 in 100 nor likely even 1 in 1000. Suggesting that the guy who gave her both his home and cell numbers right away is dangerous is kind of like sending me mail saying I may be a winner in the publishers clearing house. Get a grip on reality. Maybe her real life is keeping her away from feeding cyber lurkers their daily dose of vicarious thrills.
Scamming girls in a bar is as fabled as the oldest profession!
yea, in fact, it's SO fabled, it's a cliche.
Not every guy that hits on women in a bar is scamming and everyone is presenting their best face no matter how they meet. No one is opening up the skeleton closet and dumping all the dirty laundry on the table on the first date, first meeting or first encounter. Women are dolled up to the 9's in clubs, aren't they kind of hiding the unkempt, no makeup, unshaven leg beast they sometimes are? Is that a lie? Or marketing. It doesn't equate to the doctor thing which was immature and not very swift if you're planning on making something real happen. But it's not criminal or nefarious. She's not tied to the train tracks as we type.
Men hitting on women in bars is a cliche? People actually go to bars to be hit on. Single people frequently seek out avenues for meeting potential significant others. That's why this site has thousands of users.
I've been trying to hold my tongue about guys championing virtue in the name of making themselves look like a catch. I've kind of gotten fed up with men saying "there's so many nice guys you should kick him to the curb". What they're really saying is "why why why won't you date meeeeeee..." in a really hi squeaky voice. Sorry to single you out but makewayforwilly and bikeman sound like whiny victim mentality types. OK I'm not really that sorry but I tried to soften it a tad. Every guy who ever "got the girl" instead of them was a "slick player", "slow playing like poker "... "It makes me sick to see these girls falling for... blah blah blah..."
Relax, he didn't steal your g/f she wasn't going to date you anyway. Mewling incessantly that the bad guys always get the girls doesn't make you seem like a misunderstood nice guy, it makes you seem kind of pathetic. Give her some credit and a chance to find out before you pillory the guy. If his friend saying he's a doctor is the worst thing that ever happens in their relationship I would say she's won the lottery.
I'm starting to get the feeling that a lot of people on this forum are "misery loves company" types. They couch their advice in the guise of friendly stewardship but are actually hoping others are as sad as they are so they're not sad, and alone.
OK, flame away I'm wearing asbestos boxer briefs. | |
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/22/2007 10:44:55 PM |
I've kind of gotten fed up with men saying "there's so many nice guys you should kick him to the curb". What they're really saying is "why why why won't you date meeeeeee..." in a really hi squeaky voice. Sorry to single you out but makewayforwilly and bikeman sound like whiny victim mentality types. OK I'm not really that sorry but I tried to soften it a tad. Every guy who ever "got the girl" instead of them was a "slick player", "slow playing like poker "... "It makes me sick to see these girls falling for... blah blah blah..."
I don't know, I'm pretty into the blah blah blah. It seems to capture me for some reason. 
Sadly, I must say ~ I agree with this particular quote. I get soooooooo sick of hearing the "why doesn't the nice guy ever win" stuff. Here's the truth on that whole rant:
Somewhere in the world, for every self-professed "nice guy" is a gal that is sick of his "stuff" and would probably say, "He's a jackazz." just like all the other guys out there who aren't professing to be a "nice guy." As for me ~ I'm sure there is a man or two that would love to sink his fangs into the nape of my neck. It's life. One man's trash theory. Not everyone is nice all the time, I don't care who you are. And not all women think in terms of "nice" in the same context. What I find nice might be totally opposite what Jane next door thinks. The truth is ~ the men I have had long term situations with were nice to me at some point in the ordeal or I wouldn't have been with them. Just because things go wrong, doesn't mean he's not still a nice guy ~ it just means he isn't the nice guy for me. And for all of those who bash the bad-boy-persona ~ some of the nicest guys I personally know certainly weren't the boy-next-door types. It's a matter of who they want to be nice to and a matter of personal preference as to whether I think he's nice or not. Plainly stated: people are just people. No two are going to view things in exactly the same manner.  | |
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/23/2007 2:03:32 AM | Just for argument's sake, does one not think just a pinch, that if you remove liberalized sexual innuendo from the entire thought process here do you think if the op agrees to meet the guy but with full intentions of not having sex with this person until she knows him well she may find an answer, without the stress?
Seriously, the most strikingly obvious common denominator about the players, liars, etc.. posts that I read, with or without the whining and carrying on, is that in the most extreme sense, people have lost the common sense to realize, that you CAN go on a date, and agree before it even happens, that sex is not in the equation, for a reasonable amount of time as you get to know each other? Is discussing this totally taboo or something? Geepers.
Go ahead, juices flowing, and all that nonsense.. but honestly.. is it that difficult to separate the sex from the possibilities? Ya don't get 'talked' into sex, you 'choose' it.
If the op wants to go on a 'date' and 'get to know somebody' she's not obliged to have sex.. and if you remove that from the equation.. what's the harm in exploring things a little further anyways?
Not every date, has to be about sex.. if you're interested in a real relationship, or friendship, or any other possibilities.. why not give the whole thing a good look before you hook yourself?
The way I was raised, was to believe "you don't have sex, if you aren't prepared to have children, with the person you are with". So how well should ya know somebody? If you're not sure, how about a few dates with that ruled out? | |
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/23/2007 2:47:27 AM | no merf, i'm not trying to start a 'thing'. And just because a lot of people, like you, are telling the OP to call the cops on the guy for being a liar it doesn't mean I have to agree.
I was wondering merf, if you have a son. And if he ever, in his life, did something wrong. Have you told all his girlfriends to avoid him because he did something wrong? Or do you understand that people make mistakes, and it's no reason for people to run screaming from them.
So the guy lied. No one has said it's ok to lie. What we are saying, is it happens. Does he deserve to be thrown in prison for it? To be single for the rest of his life? I understand, merf, that you won't settle for less than perfection. Good luck finding a perfect guy. And I'm pretty sure if a guy lied about his height, you would call it a red flag and instruct people to not talk to him. It is a lie after all.
And then to throw in that 'i hope she's ok' comment, trying to put the image of 'liars are dangerous' into everyone's head is pretty damn low, even for you. I swear you only surf the forums to warn women away from men. You try to hide it by saying things like 'i love men, cant live without em' but you don't really mean it.
if merf had her way, women would never go on another date again, it's just too risky with all the MEN out there. I don't think i've ever seen her say 'wow, that guy sounds like a great catch, good luck'. There's always something wrong. And there always will be since no one is perfect. Except merf.
So, OP, if you are still alive please tell us how the date went. Although, you DID go out with a guy who lied, so, I'm pretty sure you are at the bottom of the ocean right now. | |
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/23/2007 3:18:52 AM | | Enjoy your time with him, always play things safe, but enjoy it. You don't get to have a great guy in your life very often. Don't ruin the begining of a relationship by over analyzing things. Let him know that if phones don't work he can always e-mail you for courtesy sake. But have fun, as you probably know.. the spark doesn't last too long, so enjoy every second of it. | |
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/23/2007 7:43:42 AM | good points cindy z.
and to fun in the sun and wake dan: obviously i didn't mean "i hope she's ok" in the sense of "safety".
[jeeeeeeeez!!!!]
i meant ok in the sense of not disappointed -- she is obviously a person who really stresses about things and takes things personally and is ...worrisome and sensitive. that is clear from all her posts to this thread. (i agree with everyone who said she was too worried about everything and should chill.)
and i was a bit concerned about the date thing not going well, or again not happening -- and so, just hoping she's ok. it would certainly be great if the concerns expressed here all proved to be false, if he turned out to be a truly nice guy who respects women and treats the OP well. that would be marvelous, but i am concerned that it might not be the case...
gawd, get off my back, will ya?
sheesh.
isn't it funny how people assume they know who they're talking to when they really have NO idea?
some of us are really just nice people. and that's all it is.
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/23/2007 8:28:33 AM | Walk away you have already embarrassed yourself. You are likd 40 years old now. Why waste time and spend 10 years more on situtations that you are unsure of. Go find a guy that is t otally into you and is all about you. Who cares about his looks..any woman or man can find a selfis ego centered premaddona. You are too old to worry about things like that. If you continue to wait you are going to be fifty years old soon.
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/23/2007 8:46:19 AM | You nailed it EXACTLY. He doesn't have a job and didn't have the money at the diner. Did I miss something? - What happened to the smashed guy's girl? Where'd she go? You are right about the 'her place' thing too, Except for a chivilrous guy would propose picking up a woman. These days, though, we've all seen enough movies about the girls place. She doesn't need the stalker. If she has some cahones, she'd leave him a voice mail reading off what you said. See if he'd defend himself.
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/23/2007 2:40:10 PM | sheesh? LOL, obviously reading comprehension isn't your forte. The most obviousconnotation of "I hope she's OK" is that you think something might be wrong, not that she might have had a bad date. Do people call you after a date and ask if you're OK? They might call and ask how it went but you didn't say I hope she had a good date, or I wonder how the date went, or even I wonder if he showed. Those are all passable though progressively less optimistic. Instead you said I hope she's OK, which conveys an entirely different meaning and falls at the bottom end of the pessimism scale. Which is shocking because all your other posts seem so happy and upbeat. ;)
she is obviously a person who really stresses about things and takes things personally and is ...worrisome and sensitive. that is clear from all her posts to this thread. (i agree with everyone who said she was too worried about everything and should chill.) LOL, she brings up a thread to have a discussion, and suddenly she's worrisome and sensitive? All she did was ask a question and say she liked the guy. The rest of her posts have mostly been defense against people who jump to conclusions or post flames. She's been accused of over analyzing, and now you're calling her sensitive and worrisome. You actually seem more worried than she does. It kind of defeats the purpose of a forum if the respondents think that asking the question means you're high stress. You never wondered what it "really" meant when someone did or said something in a budding relationship? Must be wonderful to be omniscient.
isn't it funny how people assume they know who they're talking to when they really have NO idea? are you a glass home builder by any chance? you're complaining that I'm on your back but you're way more aggressive towards both the OP and the subject of her post.
good points cindy z ??? I'm pretty sure cindy is advocating the OP continue to date him. You've thrown him under the bus, repeatedly harped on how his dishonesty is a "mountain" and basicaly said he's one step removed from the antichrist. Now you're saying that cindy is on the mark by advocating dating him? I'm really lost now... I've been advocating that she be careful but give him a chance since my first post and yet you've constantly rebutted me. I guess cindy z is just nicer than me.. ;) | |
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Posted: 6/23/2007 3:46:41 PM | fun-in-the-sun....i've seen merf post before, and it's never been anything positive. I dare you to find any post of hers where she had something positive to say about men.....and NOT in the context of trying to take the sting out of some really man hating statement. Her formula goes like this:
men are horrible, rotten, dirty no good scoundrels, they all only want one thing, they should all be exterminated....BUT DONT GET ME WRONG, i love men, cant live without em.....im just saying.....their dangerous and should all be killed. Women need to watch out, since all men are abusive and women face real danger everytime they get within 100 miles of a man.
So when i say find something positive about men her posts, it has to be something really nice and not just 1 line mixed in with a bunch of hate.
And any post she makes after this one doesn't count
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| A strange situation..Can someone makes sense of this PLEASE? MY DATE FOR TONIGHT THAT ISN'T!
Posted: 6/23/2007 6:25:55 PM |
makewayforwilly and bikeman sound like whiny victim mentality types. OK I'm not really that sorry but I tried to soften it a tad. Every guy who ever "got the girl" instead of them was a "slick player", "slow playing like poker "... "It makes me sick to see these girls falling for... blah blah blah..." FITS64, I'm hardly a victim, and it's not whining; I took the points the OP stated; in a few circumstances that I've witnessed, most of these points were characterized by my friend's behavior. This one friend of mine did this about half a dozen times when we went out while he was engaged. It didn't make me sick that these women fell for his slick schlock, but I did feel sorry for them. I wasn't really jealous either, because I really wouldn't want to date a woman who was that gullible--that's really a very non-plussing personality quality.
Mewling incessantly that the bad guys always get the girls doesn't make you seem like a misunderstood nice guy, it makes you seem kind of pathetic. Like I mentioned a few times, I'm not mewing incessantly, just attempting to point the light on issues, when combined, would make me think this guy is a player. Never said he was a bad guy, just a player. A bad guy would be someone who is physically abusive. Oh please don't believe that I feel like a "misunderstood nice guy", I've never felt that way, I'm just kind of perceptive and I have pretty good BS radar. | |
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