| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/21/2007 11:30:14 AM |
But --define street racing.
Is that speeding in a planned choreographed method with another vehicle?
I was specifically addressing street/drag racing. And yes, that's how I would define it, when two people are cognizant that they are competing against each other with intent to win...it's completely planned and choreographed for thrills.
IMO: speeding is a completely different beast. IMO - often speeding does not involve competing with another driver who is not party to the other driver's intentions...ie I'm driving along, some idiot goes speeding on past me, I'm not going to engage in his/her behaviour, because I don't want to. I'm not suffering from road rage and don't feel the need to chase him/her down (like someone who is actually competing with him/her).
I dunno - that's just me.
and yes, people in Toronto drive way too fast. When I went out to BC and I was driving around, when I got back to town, I was quite aware of how most people drive like speed lunatics. | |
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/21/2007 2:22:12 PM | Most of the tie these hiway races are impromptu .. guy in fancy car 1 pulls up beside fancy car 2 , pauses then zooms.
fancy car 2 gets shamed, and decides he's going to fix that, by speeding up and passing car 1.
Sadly, i am guilty of this. I drive a van of all things, but i have smoked corvettes off the stop light. I guess i could have lost my van for that.. (fyi, my van has a heavy duty transmission and when the seats are out of it, i can go from 0-100 kph in 6 seconds easy..) but it's all stock from the dealership.
I still fear this "we will take your care from a shop and have it crushed if we "think" it will be used for racing" mentality though.. | |
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/21/2007 4:06:01 PM | not_done_living_together: my mom got hit by a van doing exactly what you were doing. Smashed by a guy doing 100KM/hr, because he was racing and didn't even slow down while my mom was waiting to turn (she wasn't moving). She was lucky she didn't get killed.
so if you engage in that behaviour and get in an accident, you deserve to have your van taken away. But not before then of course. If you can drive responsibly, no reason to take away vehicles.
I looked at your profile and not to pass judgement, but it's that type of behaviour that you just mentioned in your previous post and your age range that keeps your insurance rates sky high. | |
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/21/2007 4:14:44 PM | Seems like a great deal of self justification on some folks parts to have modified cars that are legal now, the public is gonna ask the governmetn to make them not legal and I am all in favour of the cops taking a car away from a person base on its modifications alone.
Each car should get an inspection sticker not just for emission but for engine and other parts at the same time, if not approved modifications no car back. Maybe not the crusher but sent away.
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/21/2007 4:33:16 PM | Would I phone 911? If I had hands free.
Are fines stiff enough?
Its too easy to say yes, because we are all outraged and saddened by this, but I have no idea if that will help. While it may seem obvious to some that high fines reduce racing I worry that high fines only make officers use discretion if they don't think they can get a conviction for racing. Even speeding is hard to actually prove, and harder to prove when the fine is higher because people fight against both the fine and points harder when these are higher. So that might result in little prevention.
It is hard to fathom the torment that family members must be going through now.
Since it is usually young males that indulge in racing, I can only wish they would realize, that while they may be indestructible, their mothers heart is not. | |
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/21/2007 4:48:23 PM | not_done_living_together: my mom got hit by a van doing exactly what you were doing. Smashed by a guy doing 100KM/hr, because he was racing and didn't even slow down while my mom was waiting to turn (she wasn't moving). She was lucky she didn't get killed.
so if you engage in that behaviour and get in an accident, you deserve to have your van taken away. But not before then of course. If you can drive responsibly, no reason to take away vehicles.
I looked at your profile and not to pass judgement, but it's that type of behaviour that you just mentioned in your previous post and your age range that keeps your insurance rates sky high.
Oh don't get me wrong, i am actually a very SAFE and considerate driver. Its not something i do, it's something i have done (the 0-100 works well when pulled over on the side of the highway and i have to get back into traffic.
As for my age bracket? I am 35, 2 years older then you! My insurance on my 2005 van is about $700 a year. That's not high at all! (My ex actually pays $230 a month.. now that's high) | |
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/21/2007 10:07:39 PM |
Seems like a great deal of self justification on some folks parts to have modified cars that are legal now, the public is gonna ask the governmetn to make them not legal and I am all in favour of the cops taking a car away from a person base on its modifications alone.
Each car should get an inspection sticker not just for emission but for engine and other parts at the same time, if not approved modifications no car back. Maybe not the crusher but sent away.
Okay, I've read enough, I have a few friends who have heavily modded cars/vehicles and they don't speed at all, ever! The mods are because they go to shows, their cars are in there to win prizes, it's a hobby, it's what they do, what's so wrong with that? But yet, they get pulled over left right and centre, and for what? To be accused of racing, and yes I've been a witness to it, we were just driving 5 km/h UNDER the limit because the road was really bad (pot holes) and we got stopped and accused.
As for the comment about engines and emissions, if the emissions don't pass, then obviously the car shouldn't be on the road, plain and simple. Contrary to popular belief there are some "modifications" that actually extend the life of the engine and keep costs down. I'm not talking elaborite shit, but cone washable air filters actually do make the engine have to work less because it allows more volume of air to each part fuel (how an engine makes power). But if an officer sees that, they just assume...
I'm not saying irresponsible wreckless drivers (which this really is all about) shouldn't get the book thrown at them, I'm just saying there needs to be a mandate to keep the right people in shit, and the others let go.n How would you feel if your car was crushed "just because" and you know you're innocent? | |
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/22/2007 9:30:02 AM | It's all about little men in big cars.
Nothing but ego.
I saw two idiots racing down hwy 6. They gave me the finger. I confronted them in a Tim Hortons. They ran.....back to their cars. | |
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/22/2007 9:49:37 AM | After the death of that truck driver on Hwy 400, now 2 20ish U.S. boys have been arrested and their cars impounded (black corvettes) for racing at speeds over 200kms, again on Hwy 400. Why should they come up here and put us in harms way?
I hope they (impound) crush their cars. | |
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| You don't need these high performance vehicles
Posted: 6/24/2007 7:20:20 PM | As somebody who has a class AZ license who has driven both big trucks and taxis, I have some strong opinions on this subject. I agree totally with this confiscation policy and criminalizing street racing.
That trucker on the 400 should have flattened those guys if he had a chance. It is too bad he died and they walked. Doesn't that sound familiar ? Years ago, some veteran drivers were advising new big truck drivers to not sacrifice your load and yourself to save some idiot playing games on the roads. The problem is that many drivers, including me, have a lot more to lose than these idiots and they know it.
These guys need to pay for what they did to that professional driver. I am talking prison time and a permanent or 10 or 20 year drivers license ban. But they probably will drive with a suspended license and not have insurance and be better off. | |
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| You don't need these high performance vehicles
Posted: 6/25/2007 5:58:28 AM | Last night while coming back from Niagara Falls at 11pm, NDL and I were in the car coming up the 404 (just south of the 407), now the highway was busy, lots of people trying to get home after the weekend and some prob tired, when this one car zooms past us on the right at high speeds weaving in and out of traffic. As if that wasn't bad enough 3 seconds later another one does the same thing on our left side. Now it would have been great to take their licence plate down and call the lil hellions in, BUT at that high speed weaving in and out of traffic you don't even SEE the plate let alone have time to memorize it and write it down!!
Sad thing is these guys have no regard for their own life, let alone that of others on the highway and any possible small children traveling on what they seem to think is their own personal speed-way that WE have borrowed.
Another couple things that bugs my a$$ is motorcycles that speed on the highways. While very compact and fast, some of the people who ride these (and please do note I do say SOME) take this as an advantage to beating traffic, going faster then the flow of traffic... etc. On the way to Niagara Falls, on the Gardener, we seen one rider who was going so fast weaving in and out of traffic at Young that I was scared for his for his life... minutes later, traffic came to a screeching halt and it took us a good 25 minutes to get from Bay to Jameson, at Jameson the entrance was blocked by police. I hope it wasn't because of him cause as fast as he was going he would have seriously hurt someone and I doubt he would have a chance.
Last but not least - Motorcycles and cars, who feel the need to ride on someones a$$ in the fast lane (or any lane really)!!! Riding less then 3 feet away behind someone going at the speed of over 100 on a highway  I would hate to see the outcome if the person in front for whatever reason had to pull their breaks last minute.
Boggles the mind - Anyway, that was my rant for the day, drive safe so you can have fun when you get to where you're going!
 Suzy | |
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/25/2007 7:55:11 AM | | High speeds and young driver racing got certainly out of hand lately, but the real cause of tmost highways accidents are the lane changes at high speeds and left-lane bandits hugging the left or middle lane at 100km/h. | |
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/25/2007 8:12:26 AM |
Is that speeding in a planned choreographed method with another vehicle?
Would passing a car on the highway be considered racing?
Would going 40 over the limit be considered racing even if there is no other vehicle on the road? Or how about those that go 140 on the highway "racing" past those going 20 over the limit, who are "racing" past those going the limit?
The answer is no, no and no.
In order to be charged with racing, first you have to be charged with speeding, and dangerous driving. The police office has the right to inspect the car to see if it has been modified for the purpose of street racing, then it has to be proven in court.
The cars destroyed on June 15, had features added to the engine and exhaust to increase power, the vehicle's road clearance lowered to increase speed and the backseats and interior panels removed to reduce the cars weight.
hmmmmmmm.......So IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, WALKS LIKE A DUCK AND QUACKS LIKE A DUCK, ISN’T IT REASONABLE TO CALL IT A DUCK?
In a court of law, yes. | |
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/25/2007 12:29:42 PM | I would call, I would follow and I wouldn't give up til the people were off the road.
I, myself have had friends die from racers. One of them was a closed casket do to his injuries.
Racing or wreckless drivers should be punished by the law and if crushing there cars would make them not do it again then so be it.
Too many people are in a rush to get home or to the party or where ever and they make stupid mistakes.
You cut one car off and it causes a chain reaction. One where it could cause one person to make a mistake and cause a major accident.
Too many people who not only think they are above the law, but are untouchable in life and death.
It always takes someone close to someone to die for them to finally figure out how stupid they were.
The government has to take steps or pick up the numbers of the forces to stop all actions which are putting people in danger. One cop car on the side of the highway with 2 cars racing means only one of those cars will be pulled over, if lucky they will get the plate of the second car but your also asking the cop car to endanger his safety of those around him.
Put a new law into effect, crush there cars, fine them $50,000 or more, or the total value of all damages occur if an accident happens, charge them with murder and don't let them plead out to house arrest.
I can't believe how many people are allowed to murder others, shed a tear and only end up with 6 months in jail.
Makes me sick, as it's only telling people one thing - It's ok, to cause an accident on a highway and injury or kill others.
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/25/2007 2:03:39 PM |
I would call, I would follow and I wouldn't give up til the people were off the road.
So you would race them to prevent them from racing?
The two last night were moving so fast they were nothing but a blur and vroom.
There is no way i could have kept up with them and trying to do so would have added to the mess. | |
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/25/2007 5:35:51 PM | Following them in no way means I would be racing them.
Keep a safe distance back and stay on the phone with the OPP so I can let them know if they take an off ramp or exit off the highway. | |
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 6/28/2007 4:23:28 PM | Maybe what the OPP could do randomly (on some weekends), is have HWY 400 (Northbound) narrowed down a few lanes from the 401, and like those RIDE programs, wave vehicles through except for those that look "modified". They ask the driver to pull over for a min, and ask that driver to pop the hood. If it appears that under the hood, that the vehicle has been modified for street racing, they keep the vehicle off the road. A small minor traffic inconvenience wouldn't hurt anybody.
They can set this up on other 400 series highways as well. I think most of the accidents occur on the way up north. The target is make sure people get up north safely, because on the way home, most people (maybe not all) take their time.
In the States, they have toll highways. You come up to a toll, and pay your fee, and off you go. Traffic slows when you approach it. Minor delay, big deal. | |
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| Two US Corvettes Impounded in Bradford
Posted: 6/30/2007 8:33:32 PM | | Surprised on this link that no one has mentioned the two drivers from the US that had their cars (both Corvettes) impounded in Bradford. This was mentioned in one of the papers of the Toronto Star with in the last two weeks. If the government is serious about racing then lets see if they react to this one. Or will they be let off because they are not from Ontario? Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law and there is a clear distinction between going slightly over 100KM/hr versus exceeding 50KM/hr over the limit. | |
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| Two US Corvettes Impounded in Bradford
Posted: 5/2/2008 4:09:01 PM | ^^^^^^^ and you are proud of that?!?! Will you be proud if you kill the parents of a new born baby - or the children coming home from Grandmas - or the Newlyweds embarking on a new life together?!?! All life is precious!! Street racing kills - it puts others in jeopardy! A stupid thing to engage in!!
edit (below) - sorry for your loss!! A sad example of what can happen!! | |
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| Two US Corvettes Impounded in Bradford
Posted: 5/2/2008 4:15:02 PM | should be all shot and pissed on for street racing, it's not right I lost a cousin from one
I know, a innocent victim hit by 180 KMH plus street race in 1988 British Columbia
she was 21 years old and ripped to shreds by the car | |
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| Racing on the 400 401 427 and the other big Hyways
Posted: 5/3/2008 11:12:03 AM | | Racing is like prostitution. You will never stop it but maybe control it a bit. I used to have a modified car that was 400 hp. Crazee stuff . I am no saint but I NEVER engaged in any contest of speed on the street or highway when there are other cars or pedestrians around. That said we had our own car clubs and usually once a month we went to St Thomas or Cayuga to let loose the animals. If the people could open a track closer to the GTA it would drastically improve getting the young people off the road and into a safe environment to race their cars. The number one reason London has so few incidents is St Thomas is close and they have legal street car racing every Friday and Saturday night for the kids in their modified imports. Its a run what you bring event. | |
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