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| Two power stations a week being built in China
Posted: 7/24/2007 10:37:00 PM | China has a right to produce dog food that kills the dog and toothpaste that is poison while using tradmarked names in order to sell it. China produces a whole bunch of crap let me tell you... They feel that they can do whatever they want becasue most of you people will not care but only the price.
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You forgot fish raised in sewage, Bootlegged auto parts, dvd, software, substandard steel and fasteners.
Lets not have country of origin on foods. Lets close the FDA and Dept Of Ag. Lets not have enough Customs, you might end up with a Government bureaucrat, or too much government Regulation. | |
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| Two power stations a week being built in China
Posted: 7/25/2007 12:50:17 PM | Thanks bobOcolo...
Seriously the people of the US need to quit caring about those low low prices and quit supporting this kind of crap. It is embarressing to our civilization and our people. It makes us look like a bunch of sucks. | |
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| Two power stations a week being built in China
Posted: 7/26/2007 7:15:20 PM | They need that power to make all the cheap stuff they sell us. They need to sell their goods to us because they need American dollars. They need American dollars because that is the only currency the Middle East accepts in exchange for oil.
I don't know what people are complaining about. Industry pollutes. Better they do that over there and pollute rivers in China than doing it over here. As long as they don't get the oil in Central Asia. We need that for our vehicles. Let them use up all their coal making us dollar store crap. | |
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| Two power stations a week being built in China
Posted: 7/26/2007 10:47:30 PM | hmm, say we make the disktops or laptops in the states, and it will cost you, say, $5000 a piece. say those "patriots" willing to pay that price. but whom are you going to sell those $5000 PCs to besides in the states?
the same for other goods, are you going to pay $80 or more for a jean?
forgot where i read, for $1000 worth of a laptop, china only gets about $40, that includes profit and cost (labor and materials). of course, for almost any PCs, cpu is american, operating system is american and hard drive, very likely japanese. those three are the most valuable parts of the laptop. very likely the battery from japan, the chepset of dvd drom drive probably from europe (patented loyalty).
i will be very impressed to see any of those "patriots" understanding economics.
it is said, the value of a Boeing 747 is equivalent to 800 millions chinese jeans. well, probably true... | |
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| Two power stations a week being built in China
Posted: 7/26/2007 11:24:35 PM | Ipfreak,
Who are you talking to? Who is this patriot you speak of? Are you drunk?
Are you willing to spend 2 dollars more to save the life of your dog? Are you willing to spend 5 cents more to have toothpaste that is not posion?
Seriouslt, Ipfreak just go brush your teeth with antifreeze and say it is the Chinesse way and it is best. Why don't you feed your dog uranium because it will show high proteen. | |
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| Two power stations a week being built in China
Posted: 7/27/2007 7:52:01 PM | Who are you talking to? Who is this patriot you speak of? Are you drunk?
no, not anyone particular.
Are you willing to spend 2 dollars more to save the life of your dog? Are you willing to spend 5 cents more to have toothpaste that is not posion?
with the big scandal of chinese "FDA" (if you can call it "FDA"), i was hardly supprised for that. but if you ever look back history, especially in early 1900 of us, we had similar situation.
if it took us 100 years from there to here, then probably it would take chinese 50 years from now to then...
Seriouslt, Ipfreak just go brush your teeth with antifreeze and say it is the Chinesse way and it is best. Why don't you feed your dog uranium because it will show high proteen.
did i talk about what you were talking about? i was talking about trading and you answered my post with food safety issue... please, read my post again!
the percentage of imported chinese food or food related products is almost nothing, if not zero, comparing the overall trading between the two countries.
my point was that the issues of trade balance between the two countries, global trading and other issues with global economy are far, far complicated than most of medias here putting on their news papers and tv screens. of course, medias need stories that can have some shocking effects so that they can make money, they need some simple stories like you were talking about. medias are facing hundreds millions americans who have little understanding of economics, they can't make stories too complicated.
with $1000 worth of a laptop, at least 60% of the valued product were exported to china as parts and then imported back to the states as a whole product. this is just one example.
another one, thinkpad laptop (sorry i am in tech business), the best business laptop for so many years (just take look at pcmag.com), ibm never made them, lenovo was the company did oem for ibm for so many years. basically ibm does research (still do), design and lenovo makes them and put ibm labels on them. with that sale of the ibm pc division, the only things lenovo got are the brand names such as "think center", "thinkpad".
of course, it doesn't matter who is making pc, intel and micro$oft are real winners!!!
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| Two power stations a week being built in China
Posted: 7/27/2007 8:39:27 PM | yea, they hate the dark and like to jam there stereos...who doesn't? Are we the only people allowed to have power? Watch in 10 years when China doggs our asses out with a 200 billion trade deficient that they call us on...remember this...they attack us as friends, look at history, it will repeat and sneaky and subterfuge will win! Oh, and global warming...duh...they care as much as WE do~! | |
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| Two power stations a week being built in China
Posted: 5/3/2008 10:23:23 AM | what form of energy is to be used to create the steam to turn the turbines...Nuclear adds .3 tons of hydrocarbon for a million kilowatt hours...the old outdated north american ones mainly burning coal create thousands of tons per million kilowatt hours..
Ending with all the hypocrites pointing economic woes and such on China/Japan...Who created these economies???The almighty greenback. I bet the persons venting on hear...drive a Japanese made automobile, wearing clothes made within China, while dining with a bottle of French wine, and try to impress people drinking a mexican Corona or European brand beer...The competition for oil is no longer a one horse race...with the highest bidder winning the contact, except one out bids the other in order to avoid using a bus or train to journey...or heavens forbid walk to the market for bread and milk...Even the Chinese have out done the USA in seeking energy in my province of Alberta...they known oil reserves in Saudi Arabia is 1200 billion barrels, the known oil reserve in the oilsands of Northerm alberta are 1500 billion barrels deemed recoverable using steam, and another 3200 billion not separatable with todays technology...China has already reached a deal with Enbridge to build a pipeline across northern alberta and bc to received 400,000 barrels per day...shortly afterwards a****cheney was sent to see and scout these facts, and proposed the cancelation of this deal, and divert oil south to the states...Now with the money being spent on the war in Iraq, more pipelines and refineries could have been built that the continebtal USA would be swimming in oil...but the top dogs of the petroleum indusry drag their feet, while oil supporting regimes is cheaper to gather and profits more abundant for the almighty shareholders... | |
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| Two power stations a week being built in China
Posted: 5/3/2008 10:36:58 AM |
Their stage of development and thinking is no different than where the western world was 50 years or more ago where we essentially polluted ourselves out of existence. Actually, judging by some of the posts in this thread, there are many here that are 50 or more years behind in their thinking.
It doesn't help that "leaders" like G Dubya and Bob Lutz, among others, characterize global warming as "A Crock of Sh1t." GM doesn't give a crap about the environment, the US refuses to abide by the Kyoto accords, why should China? | |
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| Two power stations a week being built in China
Posted: 5/3/2008 10:52:43 AM |
the US refuses to abide by the Kyoto accords, why should China?
The US never signed the Kyoto accords, so it has no obligation to abide by them. However, American GHG emissions have fallen since Kyoto took effect. The Kyoto accords allow, and in fact, encourage China, the world's largest emitter of GHGs, to increase their pollution, which they have, massively. And of course, China plans to continue to ramp up GHG emissions, other forms of pollution and wholesale environmental destruction.
Interestingly, the country that doesn't "abide" by Kyoto is the more virtuous, environmentally responsible of the two countries. This just goes to show how perverse Kyoto was in the first place. | |
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| Two power stations a week being built in China
Posted: 5/3/2008 9:54:47 PM | Two power stations a week being built in China
Posted: 6/20/2007 7 00 PM
Emmissions output by China is just on the verge of passing the USA and very soon will be the largest world contributer to the production of greenhouse gases as well we Nox and So2. This mainly due to a mssive program to build coal fired electricity generation plants, most of which have no pollution equipment.
China will not contribute to controlling its share or air contamiants until it has reached a certain level of GDP per capita.. that is... priorities are first to economic development.
Their stage of development and thinking is no different than where the western world was 50 years or more ago where we essentially polluted ourselves out of existence.
So meeting Kyoto accord targets by develping nations may be dwarfed by what's happening in China
The commodity trade for supplies from Canadas, and the high price of nickel suggests that the power stations will be nuclear powered...a far better and cleaner form of energy then the polluting genertator stations built within north america the previous 40 years...as tubing in a nuclear plant requires 70% nickel to prevent corrosion...where as nickel mixed with iron ore at 7% produces stainless steel...
BY far and above the biggest contributor to greenhouse gases that trap heat within our atmosphere is methane gas produced through cattle...1 cow produces more methane gas contributing to the rise in global warming... | |
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| Two power stations a week being built in China
Posted: 5/4/2008 2:09:32 AM | Wow...I haven't seen this kind of rhetoric outside of the politics forums for a while now. Doesn't anybody have a source to cite ?
First of all , don't trot out the "Hey, America did it so China can too ! " argument. America did it when nobody knew how bad it was to fire up coal plants from coast to coast. And since we've found out, while America and the rest of the industrialized world hasn't exactly been chomping at the bit to decresase emissions, we haven't been idle either. EPA standards are being met and new plants of all kinds are far 'greener' than they would otherwise need to be without the standards in place.
Secondly, China is selling more and more of its own goods to itself. The West isn't to blame either way. Anybody can buy this stuff and anybody can make it too for that matter. It's not about who's producing what or who's buying the crap either. It's about the fact that in China, apparently , no factory is 'right' until it belches toxic fumes into the atmosphere on a collosal scale.
Yeah, we can do a hell of a lot more ourselves, that's absolutely true. The difference is that we actually are trying to (even if not nearly quick enough) whereas in China , if the government cares it certainly doesn't know how to do something about the problem. | |
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| Two power stations a week being built in China
Posted: 5/5/2008 6:33:44 AM | Secondly, China is selling more and more of its own goods to itself. The West isn't to blame either way. Anybody can buy this stuff and anybody can make it too for that matter. It's not about who's producing what or who's buying the crap either. It's about the fact that in China, apparently , no factory is 'right' until it belches toxic fumes into the atmosphere on a collosal scale.
can a source be provided for this???The power stations being produced within china are some of the most modern, and a vast number being nuclear emit little greenhouse gasses.
If people are worried about heating the planet...then say so, if it about carbon emissions, then lets address this...Factories in China can belch all the toxic fumes possible, but in the fight against global warming...these are paltry in comparison to say what's for supper, as the MAIN CONTRIBUTOR to global warming is the northamerican diet...Beef and methane gas is by far trapping heat or warming the planet then factory chimneys are...Do you eat beef???
history points that a country entering the industrial age is more then likely to edge on the side of production over atmosphere...with that said, who is responsible for this economic boom in China??? how many companies have left other nations to secure cheap labour for the bottom line or shareholders??? You can point fingers at China...but if Nike never moved their, no factory would be emitting emissions to make cheap shoes, and bolster profits...Numerous tire companies have closed plants and headed for cheaper labour..to ensure bigger corporate profits...heck, mor then likely the computer we are using, albeit owned by an American company, most parts where built in China, so as to lower costs, and increase margins... | |
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