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| what do guys think of girls who take antidepressants?
Posted: 7/6/2007 10:04:12 PM |
Albert Einstein :
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.
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| Depressed? Take a Pill.
Posted: 7/7/2007 8:46:13 AM | idahosun in Msg: 196 wrote: I know of people who cannot leave the house to go the mailbox because it brings on such a serious panic attack that it is nearly or can be impossible to open that door and take those steps.
Ralph responds: Well, let me suggest, you stop feeding their panic by not allowing them to get away with their self-indulgent behavior. Don't get their mail for them. Don't allow food or clothes to be delivered to them. Force them to make a choice. Go out and survive, or stay in and die. Sounds cruel, but you know, sometimes, you got to be cruel to be kind. You think allowing someone to fester like that makes more sense? Why is it that I know my tax dollars are wasted on such insanity, in the name of call this crap a disability? Oh, I know... because I know somebody that's paid to deal with such basket cases. And her opinion is pretty much like I just said. And, by the way, she is a professional.
Well there he goes again, making asinine ASSumptions and spitting his poisonous contempt "go out and survive or stay in and die." Just to set the record straight and show how ignornance and being judgmental makes one look like a fool, I will give you a limited amount of insight into the actual person's life I was speaking about. That person was a single parent, so she struggled through most days at work, had NOONE bringing her groceries or mail or ANYTHING else. She lived in a state of perpetual terror, and hardly told a soul about her struggles for three long, terrifying years. She sometimes summoned an ambulance or had someone take her to the er because her panic attacks presented with classic heart attack symptoms and she was usually given nitro and an ekg because even the paramedics and er docs couldn't tell the difference. She was, unfortunately, undermedicated for the severity of her symptoms and although she saw a counselor, the counselor was one of those who is worthless. Self-indulgent was the last thing you could call her! So, Ralph, why don't you just stfu since you know nothing and I do mean, nothing, about this horrible problem. And yes, some people do respond to "just do it" therapy; others don't, another judgmental call on your part. It is beyond my comprehension why so many of the "anti-meds" group on this thread are unable to see that people on meds are trying desparately hard to regain some semblance of a "normal" life, a life in which they function in all areas i.e. relationships, careers, parenting etc. They are not the weaklings, they are the strength and soul of humankind. They have suffered in ways most of you cannot even begin to imagine and yet they continue to strive, minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day to overcome the demons of depressions, manic episodes, psychotic breaks, panic attacks etc and GET WELL. And if that means "popping a pill" to change brain chemistry or a genetic disorder, then more power to them for being willing to do so. They have more strength, compassion, character and heart than the judgmental labelers can ever even imagine. | |
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| Choosing Depression?
Posted: 7/7/2007 10:20:28 AM |
idahosun wrote in Msg:225... Panic attacks can be cued and non-cued...
Well, sunshine, looks like you're finally coming around. You've just identified two groups. See, a little more analysis and you might even come to understand how silly your claims of individual uniqueness is in this context.
idahosun wrote in Msg:225... a person who sees someone blown up has experienced a traumatic event that has cued the panic...
Fine. Now what about that essay writing panic? Huh?
idahosun wrote in Msg:225... while someone else might have them because they have been genetically passed on to that person, they just happen out of the blue.
Ooops! Dear, you haven't addressed my comparative case. You just jumped into a non-sequitur making the cued-ness reference to people blowing up just so much nonsense. Or maybe it's just that panicking over an essay coming due is just another example of a cued panic attack. Well, then, honey, it sure seems like you've missed my point.
The two examples I threw out there were intended to be similiar and by your response, I'm gathering that you agree that they are indeed both examples of cued stressors. Fine. Now, where the issue arises, my sweet potato, is whether you can order those examples. Why is it that I would say witnessing somebody torn to bits is a greater stressor than having a term paper come due? Hmmm. Maybe because more (actually most) people are likely to find the former a more stressful cue?
idahosun wrote in Msg:225... And yes, there ARE numerous permutations of meds and dosages, of course!!
Ah, but you again miss my point. To give any useful meaning to your claim of individual uniqueness with respect to responses to stressors, those permutations would have to number in the trillions (or more). The likelihood of any two people having the same response to the same dosage of the same med would be expected to be about that of two people having the same DNA, since that's more-or-less the formal basis for individual uniqueness. To say there are "numerous permutations" isn't nearly enough.
In reality, you could tabulate all those meds and dosages and find many people on the same med and dosage. Hmmm. That in itself would be a basis for not only grouping (by med and illness being treated) but ranking (by dosage) of many of the types of mental illnesses being treated by pills. Folks that actually deal with this stuff have more sophisticated means at their disposal to do that though some of their statistical analysis leaves much to be desired.
You know, gurl, as one of the heathens engaging here, it seems you have a lot of faith in the little knoweldge you've got but you completely fail to appreciate that the sort of science that produces those pills is all about grouping and ordering -- not to mention trial and error. That method belies any claim that the so-called stressors are radically unique to an individual. Get it? Of course not. You're too busy trying to throw down hazy definitions to grasp their relations.
Just so you know, though I won't hold my breath on you grasping it, if you can say so-and-so gets stressed easily or so-and-so has nerves of steel, then it implies you can order individual responses to stressors. If you can further say that this-and-that will cause most people to panic or this-and-that won't cause most people to panic, then it implies you can order stressors. Since there are only two measures, you can draw a pretty graph to map out a population's response to stressors. As an amusing aside, for all the other readers, at the end of this process you can derive a neat presentation of what it means to be normal in those terms. You'll also have defined weaklings ;)
idahosun wrote in Msg:225... you are not qualified in any way shape or form to be the judge, although that is what you do, judge, judge judge.
Let me just say, given your presentation thus far, I'm better able to judge than you. Outside the personal jibes you've thrown in, what have you really said?
Mental illnesses can't be judged? You mean you can't evaluate mental illness? That would imply you can't treat it either because that requires judgement. So what possible reason do you have for your unbounded faith in those pills?
When you think about it though, what really begs questions is the fact that there seems to be little or no actual testing done by the doctors prescribing these pills. Folks, how would you feel if you walked into a doctor's office and told him, "I've been losing weight and seem to get sick really easily..." and the doctor (without any sort of physical test) decided you've got AIDS and put you on medication for it? Sounds kinda stupid doesn't it? Yet that's exactly what's being done with these sorts of drugs. Do the doctors who listen to the sob stories check for the levels of the chemicals in the brain of their patient before prescribing the pills to treat the symptoms? Are there even any routine tests to check the levels of such chemicals in the brain? Is there any definitive knowledge of what constitutes normal levels of various chemicals in the brain in given circumstances? In case anybody's wondering, the answers to those last three questions, as far as I can tell, are no, No and NO!
Peter52245 wrote in Msg:218... You sure you haven't been through therapy?
Nope. I've never felt a need. I did do an anger management program when going through my first divorce (and what an ugly process that proved to be). That two hours per week for six weeks demonstrated a lot of what's wrong with this society's way of handling personal problems. In my first session, I forthrightly explained my situation to the counsellor. Her response, which I'll admit caught me off guard, was that in her opinion I had a good understanding of what anger issues I have and I seem to have a functional means of managing those issues that may exist. In truth, I expected her to find some way to identify an anger issue that needed management by her counselling, and I wondered, going in, how the counsellor would do it. Anyway, we spent the next five weeks chatting about stuff like the family court system, what anger management counselling teaches (I was curious), the sorts of men sent to such programs, and other topics not really related to the counselling I was supposedly receiving. And at the end, I got what my lawyer wanted, a certificate stating I had completed the course that was dutifully filed with the court.
Peter52245 wrote in Msg:218... The whole point in "mocking" or "condemning" someone is to purposely lower their self-esteem.
I disagree. I see your point and I agree that is what a bully would do. However, there is a positive effect to mocking or condemning too. In the context of this thread, I think there is way too much willingness to affirm individual choices even in posts by those that don't agree with the choices being made. It seems all too obvious that such kind and gentle prodding doesn't get through to pill-poppers. That leads me to wonder whether they might be shaken out of their complacent attitude by some more direct challenges to their opinions. This opinion comes from the baseball bat school of attention getting: If you can't get their attention by speaking softly, hit them with a big stick :o
I really doubt any minds will be changed, but you never know.
Peter52245 wrote in Msg:218... The whole point is that abuse is a learned behavior and some people don't even realize they are being abusive.
If you ask me, abuse is a terribly over-used term that is thrown out way too readily. When you look at the way it is presented on some psychological sites I've reviewed, it seems broad enough to cover just about any behavior that is affirming. That means there is no meaningful meaning to abuse. In a sense, this is the same as the all-positive reinforcement theorizing of child rearing. It's fine in principle, but the real world out there isn't quite like that. Part of the responsibility of parents, in my opinion anyway, is to gradually prepare the little monsters for the big bad world out there. A child that has never faced down criticism, never been rebuked for negative behavior, never been judged, isn't going to do so well when he/she is cut loose. Notice, this is really all about balance and gradation. A lot of people do get it wrong, one way or another. Parenting isn't easy.
Now, applying your comment to me and this thread... All I can say is that, in my opinion, negative statements aren't abusive if the objectives aren't negative. If there is a point to your implied suggestion, it is that my comments haven't really clarified the objective. But then, this is forum and dialogue is more than a simple, singular post on a topic such as this.
Peter52245 wrote in Msg:218... You'd be surprised at how strong a person who's lived through depression can be. If you've lived through your worst moments in life, wanting death with all fibers of your being, and you've pulled through, you can't tell me that these people didn't learn how to be something stronger, who cares if they had pills, or a person lending their hand, or a kind word, or whatever else helped them pull through. They made it, and they are still alive to talk about it.
In all fairness, this sounds like a veteran. I hate to say this, but in all truth, a depleted combat asset is never really the same. They might well make fine people, but they will never really be the person they started out as and that is just the way it is. In that vain, I have to say, I'm tempted to say the same of the depressed. But I take your point, and in all honesty, I think if the circumstance arose regarding a potential partner, the decision would most likely be decided on the basis of many indicators as well as a more thorough discussion of this issue. Still, that fact would weigh negatively on my overall judgement. Call it past experience, call it a sign of weakness from them, regardless, this would be something I'd wonder about.
Ralph42 wrote in Msg:205... Sounds cruel, but you know, sometimes, you got to be cruel to be kind.
Peter52245 wrote in Msg:218... This is what I meant by the abusive stuff. Whoever came up with this kind of thinking, had something wrong with them. Never is cruelty required for kindness.
Well, then perhaps you should have addressed the scenario that this statement was contextually embedded in. What do you do when the kind and gentle approach doesn't work? That is really the question. Sometimes people just don't want to get better, and their non-cooperative behavior with respect to kind and gentle approaches leaves room for only two options: 1) let them remain sick; 2) escalate to less kind or gentle approaches. I think, after all, the goal is to help them, not to be kind and gentle at all costs.
Peter52245 wrote in Msg:218... Ah, your true motivation shows. Greed.
LOL! Well, I prefer to think of it as a question of optimal resource allocation. I'd rather the government hand my tax dollars to a welfare mother trying to make do and raise kids on her own than hand it to some tub of lard that has literally eaten her way to immobility and now requires nursing care in house that the government pays for because being grossly obese is considered a disability now, for a real life example that I know about. There's some mental illness tag attached to her condition, though I don't recall it off-hand. Just in case any BBW here thinks this is a dig, think again. I'm talking literally immobile from all the weight. We're not talking big, or even over-weight, we're talking Jabba the Hut. Same goes for a couple of ones afraid to leave their homes. I'm fine with helping these people with tax money, but I'm not at all fine with feeding their handicaps from the public trough. Frankly, from what I'm aware of, there is no interest in helping, just keeping them going while applying kind and gentle approaches that have proven to have not worked on these examples. Doing as we do now, just demonstrates the twisted priorities of our society... but that's a whole other can of worms and I think I'll leave that for another day, and another thread. | |
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| what do guys think of girls who take antidepressants?
Posted: 7/7/2007 10:27:45 AM | | for me just the fact that someone is trying to improve themselves is a good thing, and it takes courage to ask for help and that's all someone has done who decides to take antidepressants. shouldn't be a big deal... | |
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| what do guys think of girls who take antidepressants?
Posted: 7/7/2007 10:35:43 AM | | kudos... awesome quote. It takes alot more courage to live life with all the obsitcales that life has given to us... then to try and change who we naturally are with drugs... to me using antidepressants is like saying I choose to not be the man that life has made me. I would be a completly different person if I did not have the choice at 12 to say "NO I choose not to take those, I want to be me" and I thank my mother for giving me that choice | |
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| what do guys think of girls who take antidepressants?
Posted: 7/8/2007 3:09:33 PM |
I did do an anger management program when going through my first divorce (and what an ugly process that proved to be).
It's rough when one gets a glimpse of their very own ugly side. It must have been eye-opening to view yourself as other view(ed) you.
Her response, which I'll admit caught me off guard, was that in her opinion I had a good understanding of what anger issues I have and I seem to have a functional means of managing those issues that may exist.
Just because someone tells you that you know what your anger issues are, doesn't mean you are on the way to a healthier style of dealing with your anger. It merely means you acknowledge, to some degree, an anger management problem. And that certainly doesn't mean you have the skills, tools, knowledge or wherewithall to "fix" those issues. Those types of behaviors take a LOT longer than 5-6 weeks to reprogram. For some, even years if at all.
Anyway, we spent the next five weeks chatting about stuff like the family court system, what anger management counselling teaches (I was curious), the sorts of men sent to such programs and other topics not really related to the counselling I was supposedly receiving. And at the end, I got what my lawyer wanted, a certificate stating I had completed the course that was dutifully filed with the court.
You, being one of those "sorts" by your own admissions here. Did that certificate make one ounce of difference/sense to you? You make it sound as if you went to the counselor, wasted time, got a piece of paper and felt justified in the fact that you had social time with the counselor rather than learning to live a controlled-anger or even anger-free life. Having spent most of my adult life in the legal system, I can assure you ~ there isn't a Judge alive who doesn't realize these types of classes are a crock. You pay a hired-gun to say you are under control, and that's that. The system may have looked upon that as an "effort" of sorts, but most in the legal community know it's all smoke and mirrors.
~OT~ I had an epiphany while reading through all of this hate. Most of my life I've dealt with panic. Sometimes mirrored with depression because of the reclusiveness caused by severe anxiety, but I've never had anger problems. I find it rather odd that a professed anger-fiend would out and out judge others. Anger issues are far more devastating than depression or anxiety. My panic doesn't hurt anyone but me. Anger on the other hand, effects/affects all people in that individual's life and can even carry into the lives of strangers. It traumatizes everyone that person is in contact with when anger-motivated tyraids happen. To compare an issue such as anger to a genetic or chemical disorder is simply silly. Behaviors can be modified vs DNA/chemicals in the brain which are set in stone. We can alter the chemicals, but we can't do so without medication. Unlike an anger freak, who can, if willing ~ learn healthy behaviors. The most interesting part of this entire debate: those with the conditions needing medication are more open minded to the realities they live in/with and how to fix the problem than those who just need to learn how to control him/herself. That speaks volumes. I'd much rather have a relationship with someone who needs a pill or two than someone who willingly, knowingly and relentlessly spews hate induced by personal behavior choices. But, that' s just me. To each their own.  | |
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| what do guys think of girls who take antidepressants?
Posted: 7/8/2007 7:34:02 PM | Verygreeneyez.
Why do you think I've been trying to point things out to him?
If any of you had known me as a child, you would admire the man you see today.
Why you ask?
Because I grew up with a massive rage problem due to my abuse. I used to lash out with such hatred, and such viciousness to anyone and everyone that I knew, without even realizing it.
I wrote a lot more of my personal story, then decided against posting it, and deleted it.
Needless to say, I see a lot of the same things he's writing in my past, and am trying to plant the seeds of knowledge in him, so that he can recognize that it's not always everyone else, but sometimes its us, ourselves that need to alter.
Trust me, I know what true rage, and true hatred, and even true abuse are like. I've had enough of them all in my life.
I don't claim to have been put through the worst, but I also was not treated kindly, and nor did I treat people kindly when I was younger(Still have a problem with it every once in awhile as an adult).
Sorry I wrote so much, I'm trying to tone it down, since he's at the stage where it won't penetrate no matter how many times it's said, over and over again. (Been there, done that, recognized it, and changed it.)
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I'd much rather have a relationship with someone who needs a pill or two than someone who willingly, knowingly and relentlessly spews hate induced by personal behavior choices.
How do you make the assumption that anyone knowingly spews hate? Bigotry and hatred are learned behavior, some people don't even realize it. I myself didn't for years. I thought it was "normal" to respond with anger for the longest time. Until I learned better. When you attack someone, (And that's generally how that type of reasoning comes across to said person...), they then respond by getting defensive and denying they are "in the wrong". You have to show them how they are in the wrong, and let them decide for themselves....(Some will deny it even after they themselves realize it.). This is the problem with learned behaviors. The person has to be willing to learn new ways of going about things. The human mind is so odd, and puts up so many walls/blocks that sometimes it's almost impossible to re-learn behaviors. | |
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| what do guys think of girls who take antidepressants?
Posted: 7/8/2007 7:54:37 PM |
You have to show them how they are in the wrong, and let them decide for themselves....(Some will deny it even after they themselves realize it.). This is the problem with learned behaviors. The person has to be willing to learn new ways of going about things. The human mind is so odd, and puts up so many walls/blocks that sometimes it's almost impossible to re-learn behaviors.
It's not my job to point out anyone's faults and/or flaws, nor is it up to me to add directive on how they might wish to change/alter or otherwise become informed. This is a public forum, not my living room. What someone professes to here is all there is to go on. In this particular incident, there is absolutely NO room for any assumption other than he's clearly aware . He spewed rancid vile hate throughout the past few pages of this thread. If you wish to defend him, by all means ~ but leave me out of that whole line of silliness. There is no defense for anyone who clearly states: let them starve to death. I'm sorry ~ that's simply NOT appropriate.  | |
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Posted: 7/8/2007 9:22:03 PM |
Peter52245 wrote in Msg: 218... What I don't get, is why you feel you'd rather "beat them to a pulp" rather than show some dignity and integrity and walk away from the situation.
Well, maybe I'm just mocking the idea that blowing smoke in somebody's face, or splashing water on them, constitutes assault. However, having taken a look at the meaning there as opposed to here, I suppose there's a bit of a contextual difference in the meaning. As far as I understand it, assault is basically anything from a slap in the face to a bruise inducing pounding. Excuse me, I'm not a lawyer and I'm not all that familiar with the actual formalities involved. But as I see it, if you are going to be faced with a felony conviction of the same magnitude regardless, you might as well not stop at the slap in the face but get your money's (or time's) worth and go for the bruise inducing pounding.
As for being dignified in the original situation described: Well, niceness in my world is on a tit-for-tat basis. If you aren't nice to me, I'm not obligated to be nice in return. Vice versa, of course. Okay, maybe I've just got issues :o
verygreeneyez wrote in Msg: 234... It's rough when one gets a glimpse of their very own ugly side.
Boy did you read that wrong or maybe -- being someone in the "legal system" or a "professional time waster" -- you just couldn't help yourself. The divorce was ugly. Or as has been said about the whole affair, it probably will be a movie one day, but it'll have to be a comedy because the drama was unbelievable. The anger management class, however, was not an ugly experience, it was a waste of my time and money to satisfy family court expectations as told to me by my lawyer. I also wasted my time taking several other divorce related programs that offer about as little.
If there is one good thing to have come from that divorce it is that I was given a good introduction to the way the legal system works. While I never held lawyers up as particularly good examples of intellectual prowess, I now have good reason to understand Shakespeare. Lawyers are parasites and the system is utterly corrupt. There is not even a pretense of justice so far as I can see. The ex-wife's lawyer did make me laugh at the final settlement conference though. As for knowing my "anger issues" and having the "skills, tools..." for managing anger, I do just fine, thank you very much. And thanks for all the compassion "spewed" forth ;)
Since you totally missed the point, and thus drew utterly incorrect conclusions, I'll just let the rest slide. Frankly, it shows you're not kidding about being involved in the "legal system". I can think of no others that could manage to take a statment by someone that he took an anger management course in the process of a divorce, and turn that into describing him as being "a professed anger-fiend" or "freak" and then waxing poetic about the horrors of out-of-control anger (as if it applies to him). Okay, maybe some yellow journalists might be able to compete, but outside of that nah, you'd have to be a member of the "legal system".
Alas, the misconceptions do not end with me but carry forth to the issue of this thread. That is too bad. If you'd read the more salient points in my last post, you ought to be asking yourself whether there is even a basis for most of the pill-popping going on. There is precious little understanding of the chemical makeup of the brain and from what I'm seeing even less understanding of the drugs used to alter emotional states that in all fairness, in most (though certainly not all) cases would be better managed and possibly resolved by counselling the person about "how to control him/herself" and thus actually "fix the problem". But no, you and the pill-poppers, and the authorized dealers, would have us believe that pills will do that better. The faith in general practitioners found in some of these posts astounds me. You wouldn't trust them with open heart surgery but you'll gladly let them play with your brain.
And that brings me too... wondering whether there's something wrong with Idaho...
idahosun in Msg: 196 wrote... I know of people who cannot leave the house to go the mailbox because it brings on such a serious panic attack that it is nearly or can be impossible to open that door and take those steps.
I respond based on the information provided, honey. Let's try and get the story straight, okay? To me your comment would imply knowledge of more than one person, living a shut-in existance (you know, someone not going outside). I do understand English. Being a self-proclaimed part-time writer, I assume you know how to write it. But, all of a sudden, though, the story changes...
idahosun in Msg: 229 wrote... That person was a single parent, so she struggled through most days at work, had NOONE bringing her groceries or mail or ANYTHING else...
Now, we're talking one person and not a shut-in at all. Other than reference to panic attacks, this is a completely different story. I guess you're not kidding about being a "writer" -- too bad we're supposedly discussing non-fiction and so the factual information provided matters. Save the purple prose for fiction, dearie. Maybe that can save you some stress from reading faulty opinions resulting from you providing faulty information.
idahosun in Msg: 229 wrote... They are not the weaklings, they are the strength and soul of humankind.
You don't get out much do you?
Basket cases are not the "strength and soul" of humanity. They exist at the discretion of the normal folks. At best, how we treat our weaklings is a reflection of our own incredible wealth.
idahosun in Msg: 229 wrote... some people do respond to "just do it" therapy
OMG! And some people respond to a slap in the face.
idahosun in Msg: 229 wrote... It is beyond my comprehension why so many of the "anti-meds" group on this thread are unable to see that people on meds are trying desparately hard to regain some semblance of a "normal" life...
There seems to be a widespread feeling that the number of people on meds is a lot higher than what ought to be expected and that to achieve a normal life requires the pill-poppers to stop. It's sort of like saying the only way for a crack addict to lead a "normal" life, is to stop doing crack. The response of pill-poppers is sort of like that of committed crackheads.
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verygreeneyez wrote in Msg: 240... He spewed rancid vile hate throughout the past few pages of this thread... There is no defense for anyone who clearly states: let them starve to death.
Let's start by being clear about my whole statement about someone supposedly afraid to go out of their home (though that was later proven to be not quite the story):
Ralph42 wrote in Msg: 205... Force them to make a choice. Go out and survive, or stay in and die. Sounds cruel, but you know, sometimes, you got to be cruel to be kind. You think allowing someone to fester like that makes more sense?
Even idahosun managed to acknowledge that sometimes tough love is the appropriate solution. But I find verygreeneyez stretching a bit too much by suggesting my comment is "rancid vile hate". You know, sweets, I'd be interested to know how much of your compassion is available for the many perfectly health folk in this world that die rather horrible deaths each day. Spare me the self-indulgence of defending pill-poppers whose trauma consists of raising children, or writing essays, or leaving the house. OMFG! If that's the sort of "problem" we need to be show compassion for, or be passionate about, well, all I can say is go and have a good hard look at the rest-of-the-world. We sit here, wealthy beyond the wildest dreams of most of this planet, lameting petty issues as if they constitute earth-shattering matters. And you think that my lack of interest in keeping on the kid gloves for such characters constitutes hatred? Maybe I'm just more aware of what's out there and I don't have patience for this sort of cry-baby drama. And maybe I've got the common sense to realize that a heck of a lot of the people that claim they need meds are nothing more than pill-poppers. It's fun to play with ya'll though. Anyway, I guess Idaho has a really sheltered existance.
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Posted: 7/8/2007 9:51:26 PM | ~OT~ Sigh. There isn't a pill on the market that would make me buy into that diatribe. You know, there are quite a few faults/flaws that I proudly possess, reading comprehension isn't one of them. I know exactly what your points have been throughout this thread and they are cold, heartless, and out and out mean. I know exactly what you were stating about that anger management course. Luckily for you ~ there isn't a pill on the market than can give someone a positive mental attitude, installation of empathy, or an instant dose of kindness ~ so medication isn't in your future. That is good, because you are opposed to medication. At least we have reached a place to agree to disagree: there is no need for you to pop any happy pills ~ 
For me, I'll just stick to my firm belief that I will never end up old, angry, alone, and bitter for any reason. I might take meds once in a while, but even when I don't ~ I still love that I have enough sense to realize no one can make me a victim. Not the legal system, not someone here in forums, not someone from my past or my future. And there isn't a person alive that would be able to anger me to the point of viciousness. Therein lies the secret to peace of heart.  | |
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Posted: 7/8/2007 11:49:58 PM | I take an anti-depressant and what other people think about that doesn't bother me in the least. The medication helps me to function. Without it I'd be sleeping the day away, everyday. With it, I can get up and deal with my situation. I can get the exercise I need, I can deal with the doctors (I have multiple medical problems that with time can be cured), I can work towards getting healthy, physically and mentally. With the meds I have a life. And I know eventually I'll be able to safely get off them.
To all of you who have been trying to change Ralph's point of view, give it up. He thinks his way of thinking is correct and you'll never convince him. He is like a drug addict or an alcoholic. Until he recognizes that there is a flaw in his way of thinking, nothing will change. He will have to want to change. Until then he will sit there in his self-righteousness attitude and continue to look down on all the "weaklings", which includes you. He was obviously taught that you have to be strong, self-reliant, and to never show fear or weakness. He has forgotten that "No man is an Island". | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 6:56:13 AM |
i think more people should be antidepressants.....
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| Dealing with Depression
Posted: 7/9/2007 4:25:34 PM | Sorry that I could not filter through all 10 pages of pros and cons, but I do have an experience that I want to share. I started with chronic insomnia some many years ago while caring for an immediate family member. It was a 24 hour seven days a week responsibility. The pattern was set during months of caring for this individual. I became so sleep deprived after years of this pattern that it was taking a toll on my whole existence, work, family, relationships, etc.
I feel very fortunate to have found a physician who actually believed my claim of no quality rest and sought to help me improve on that with the help of a nightly antidepressant. I have seen a vast improvement in my overall life and if one seeking medical help for a health issue ( lack of quality sleep being one of the culprits of many illnesses) is a deal breaker for a relationship, then one needs to get their head out of the sand and do research on the medical conditions that can be vastly improved with their use. I would rather take an antidepressant and get a good night's sleep than to rely on an addictive sedative. So for some of us out there, it is the lesser of two evils.
I see a trend to label one as depressed or as referred to "unable to deal with life" when they are taking ADs. I resent that fact and many others who suffer from health issues are being unjustly judged. I invite you all to research CFIDS, FMS, MS, IBS, and a host of other health issues and you will see it is not given primarily for depression but for pain management as well. I love medical information and I am the first to say, I was under the false impression myself before I became educated on the subject. Some people will never accept their use in nonconventional ways as anything other than that person has some psychological health issue. I hope you never have the need for one. | |
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| what do guys think of girls who take antidepressants?
Posted: 7/9/2007 4:44:16 PM | whatever meds you feel relevant to take I think should be ok with
your other. Who knows when one day he just might have similar needs,
whether it be; heart meds, anti-depressants, mood boosters, viagara, etc ... To not
want to be with you because you take such mood-changing meds (not by choice).
It may not be in his favor (you might remind him of himself, needing those same meds)
Men don't like reminders ,,,(imo)
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| what do guys think of girls who take antidepressants?
Posted: 7/9/2007 7:03:48 PM | I wrote: "I know of people who cannot leave the house to go the mailbox because it brings on such a serious panic attack that it is nearly or can be impossible to open that door and take those steps". I then mentioned that this particular person was a single mom who worked, did not have anyone bringing her food, clothes etc after Ralphie said she should "get out and live or stay in and die"...something like that- another ignorant statement of hate. As usual, Ralphie chose to take my statements out of context inorder to try to justify his misguided hatred of all things not Ralphie approved. Do NOT use my words to give yet another example of your intolerance and bigoted views on this subj. If you knew anything at all about panic disorder, which you have proven over and over that you do not, you would know that the panic attacks come and go as do migraines, angina, restless leg syndrome, etc. etc. So, yes, the person I used as my illustration could very easily be frozen in terror and unable to go to that mailbox, but maybe the next day or next hour might be TEMPORARILY panic free and able to do some activities, but the DISABLING fear of when the next attack will hit is ever-present and makes a normal daily existence impossible. Most people with severe pa also develop severe agoraphobia and can become housebound or even bed bound, but some do eventually find the right meds and hopefully a good counselor they CAN AFFORD and some will overcome this horrible illness.
I so enjoy good intelligent debate, you, however, are missing the key ingredient to engage in such discourse. The vitriolic, hate-filled rot you spew forth is nothing more than illogical logic and simply not worth reading. I will not waste any more time on just another impotent little Hitler, so I leave you with these words:
"For a heart stained in anger grows weak and grows bitter.
You become your own prisoner as you watch yourself sit there
wrapped up in a trap of your very own chain of sorrow."
From the song Chain of Sorrow by John Prine. | |
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| what do guys think of girls who take antidepressants?
Posted: 7/10/2007 4:16:33 AM | CDC: Antidepressants most prescribed drugs in U.S.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/07/09/antidepressants/index.html
"Dr. Ronald Dworkin tells the story of a woman who didn't like the way her husband was handling the family finances. She wanted to start keeping the books herself but didn't want to insult her husband. The doctor suggested she try an antidepressant to make herself feel better. She got the antidepressant, and she did feel better, said Dr. Dworkin, a Maryland anesthesiologist and senior fellow at Washington's Hudson Institute, who told the story in his book 'Artificial Unhappiness: The Dark Side of the New Happy Class.' But in the meantime, Dworkin says, the woman's husband led the family into financial ruin." | |
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| what do guys think of girls who take antidepressants?
Posted: 7/11/2007 1:05:27 PM | I read that book. I believe a lot of those stories were taken out of context and twisted so the author could make his point.
but I will say this:
Antidepressants aren't supposed to be relationship fixers. The book serves as a warning for those who are taking antidepressants to make a disturbed relationship less disturbing.
Thanks for your entry. That book is really really interesting. | |
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