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 babs3

Joined: 7/30/2006
Msg: 101
What do you initially think when a woman says her kids live with their father?
Posted: 7/3/2007 9:40:44 PM
Chef,

What I was talking about was the instinct of a mother. How many news casts have you seen where at some zoo..a litter of cubs were being raised by humans because they were rejected by the mother? What was your intitial thought?....mine is...must be something wrong with that animal! I am not saying that a Father could not be a great primary care giver...but IMO...the early years of a child's life..should be spent with the Mother unless there are very...very.. extraordinary circumstances.
I am not impyling the courts feel any way...I am simply pointing out the laws of nature....The difference between men and women when it comes to parenting...is women are all emotion...men (most) are all logic. As a mother, it goes against every basic human instinct I feel to let my child go..until I know they can fend for themselves....it could be 12 yrs old for some mothers...it could be 16 yrs old for others.
so I hope you know what I meant now...JMO..though!
 yourhummingbird

Joined: 6/30/2007
Msg: 102
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What do you initially think when a woman says her kids live with their father?
Posted: 7/4/2007 5:37:16 AM
As a Mom whos kids do not live with. I have always had very strong instincts for both of my girls! I stayed in an abusive marriage until I felt the kids could handle my leaving. When I left I had to go to a shelter, I gave the girls the choice of coming or staying in the house they had lived in all their lives. Being teenagers they did not want to move to a shelter. It has been over two years now and I am divorced and my girls still live with their father. I have always had full access to them though the one is an adult now. My younger one suffers from anxiety and to move away from what she knows as home to her is very upsetting. I bought a house close to her school, so she knows that I am near and that I am always there for her. Her sister would have left we me I think except she loves her sister very much and knew that it would be easier for her if we both didn't leave. So I guess I have agree with you. Instict for me was very strong and still is, my girls are 17 and 20 now. But unless you live in someone elses shoes it is hard to know what the facters are. There are many times before I left that I wondered what was best. By staying was I really giving them the best Mom!
 sweetbabe68

Joined: 4/9/2007
Msg: 103
What do you initially think when a woman says her kids live with their father?
Posted: 7/4/2007 11:04:18 AM
My daughter who is now 5 as lived with her father for 2 years now and is very happy and it wasnt because im a unfit mother i had other reasons why she went and let me just say it broke my heart to let her go,i see her every other weekend and we share school holidays,why shouldnt fathers look after the children some of then are just as gud as mothers.
 bravo1965

Joined: 8/18/2006
Msg: 104
What do you initially think when a woman says her kids live with their father?
Posted: 7/4/2007 11:05:44 AM
stacy_loves_smiles..... It is very unusual that kids live with the father..... usually has to be a very valid reason...
 sweetbabe68

Joined: 4/9/2007
Msg: 105
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Posted: 7/4/2007 11:10:20 AM
It is not unusual at all that kids live with there fathers they are just as gud as us mothers at looking after there children the man i am seeing now he as his son living with him and let me say he does a fantastic job.
 care_bear

Joined: 10/15/2006
Msg: 106
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Posted: 7/4/2007 12:05:01 PM

stacy_loves_smiles..... It is very unusual that kids live with the father..... usually has to be a very valid reason...


Please explain the "valid reason" you talk about. So many people assume that the mother is unfit and therefore the kids went to the dad as a second choice.

It's hard enough for moms to give up the sole custody of their kids to their dad, but then have to be knocked down because they are choosing to follow a career path that will end up benefiting everyone in the end. Sheesh, they just can't win.
 East_Coast

Joined: 12/31/2005
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Posted: 7/4/2007 2:47:14 PM
Wow, alot of activity here when I'm away........I'm back kittens.

I can't believe PWG agreed with me........are the 4 horsemen comin'?

I like how the same people who harp about how society judges them are some of the largest judgers. Again I'll say I'm glad my ex doesn't have the archaic opinions you (collectively) had.

Nowhere did I opine that he who has the biggest toys win. I simply stated the financial well being of the household is a factor in determining custody. Working hours, size of family, etc are all considerations.
Those that have stated why don't I just supply those funds to my ex........so they may provide..........as they are obviously inherently better parents.........its your opinion and luckily not law........backwards as it is.

Call it what it is (IMO....I guess that makes obtuse statements alright in here).......selfishness.....nothing else. Do I empathize? Yes. I would be devastated if I couldn't care for my son full-time........however if I knew he'd have a better household with his mother.......I would do whats best. I guess thats the difference between me and those on the other side........I wouldn't accept funds from someone else to provide.......I would put my child where they will benefit the most.......and if thats not me then I'd be doing my damnedest to get there.......like allowing my child to live with my ex while I got trained for better job (with less hours) so I could get back to maximizing my time with my child.........too many CP(s) think short term (myslef included sometimes) as we are raising our children seeing them grow......we are concerned they develop correctly now when in fact we should be thinking 5 years ahead at any time.
 East_Coast

Joined: 12/31/2005
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Posted: 7/5/2007 12:35:40 PM
Harley,
I've twisted nothing you've said. You believe popping a kid out your ya-ya gives you "first dibs" to your child because of a bond you claim exists. Fine. As you say I've never been there (actually have, otherwise how was I born). In my opinion that is a line propogated by women interests to avoid real discussion about equal child rearing by both parents. Your "bond" is no more important, closer or healthier than the bond a man can form with his child. Your bond to the child may start "after the blue +sign" but don't assume it works in reverse.
You have however twisted my posts into making me out to be a "buy the b_itch out" fellow who thinks I'm bigger than the system. Whenever talk of monetary ability is brought up in this forum it is paraded that its "for the children" and so you should happily hand over the money b/c you love your children.

I devalue neither man nor woman who look at the situation and make a logical sound judgement based on the best interests of the child. To conclude "love conquers all" and put your head down.........devalues your ex, you, and your child. You find it incredible that a woman can willingly "give up" her children (like they are innately a part of you like a kidney) why do you not have the same expectation of men? If you don't that is not man-hating but you certainly don't respect us. In correction its chauvinism.
 iwantu4life

Joined: 6/24/2007
Msg: 109
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Posted: 7/5/2007 2:29:41 PM
My very first thought is; the mother is not fit. However, this is a thought based on my line of work in dealing with many abused and abandoned children. In my case, two out of three of my children decided to live with me. Their decision was not based on poor parenting or abuse. I'm sure that this is the case more often than abuse is the case.
 shoobster

Joined: 4/21/2007
Msg: 110
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Posted: 7/5/2007 2:58:13 PM
this is a touchy subject i see mothers love there kidds one hundred percent then you see mothers who dont give a dam what there kidds do i was to take my kidds out fishing there mother let my son go but not my daughtr she so much wanted 2 be with me when i returnd home my life fell apart as my wee 6 year old had been killed by a speeding boyracer if only her mother would have let her come with me
 KayAdams

Joined: 4/29/2007
Msg: 111
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Posted: 7/6/2007 1:13:46 PM
(quote)What do you initially think when a woman says her kids live with their father?(/quote)

Well Harley, I can see why you responded as you did. The question was "what do you initially think..." so I assume this is without any information, background.

Gal 1 - Oh there's Jean, she just moved in. She's got four kids, but they live with their father.
Me - Really? Why?
Gal 1 - I don't know. Its been like that for 2 years.

Yes, I admit, it's not a good, kind, united, empathetic etc. thought, but my initial thought would be, 'Wow, she must have screwed up badly for her hubby to have full custody'.

After thinking it over, I would then fathom all sorts of scenarios that would make sense (in my single parent brain) and I would probably arrive at something along the lines of - maybe they realized it's best for the kids, how great for the dad/kids, maybe they have a really good relationship, maybe she's going back to school... getting a new job, etc.

But the question was - "Your initial thoughts', and mine would have been immediately judgemental. Sad but true (and of course I would shake that off, hopefully... well, I have thus far...).

Too bad people can't shake off a lot of misconceptions about dads who don't have custody either (must be a dadbeat, can't be bothered to fight for the kids, values work over parenting, etc.)

Misconceptions are exactly that - misconceived opinions/conclusions
 KayAdams

Joined: 4/29/2007
Msg: 112
What do you initially think when a woman says her kids live with their father?
Posted: 7/6/2007 1:30:09 PM
Gee, Mopegunz, I think you are going against your own guidelines

(quote)YES, that makes you shallow and anyone else who assumes prematurally...
So is that how you are going to treat people??? Or are you going to find out information first???
Making assumptions is boarderlining on stupity... How can you make assumptions when you don't have the facts???(/quote)

Your response to Harleykat magnifies everything that you feel is wrong with assumptions.

Harleykat responded to the question, and in turn was (directly and indirectly) called stupid, shallow and uninformed by you. Do you have some insider facts on HK that we are not privy to?

Interesting thread
 AQUACOOL12

Joined: 1/1/2007
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Posted: 7/6/2007 2:21:32 PM
I do have a preassumed position on this. But it is because I have, and still do, live it. I have majority custody of my 13 y/o daughter. I am the very definition of a 'single parent' in that I have no living relatives or family support group around me in any way. During my divorce way back in 2001, my ex alleged I was a bad and inappropriate parent and should have no custody. I only stated I knew my to-be-ex-wife was a bad drinker and had mental issues. But she and her attorney pushed for court ordered psych exams. I agreed. Her chosen examiner was used. HER examiner came back with 'Custody With Dad'. She disputed Her experts opinion in court. Got a second evaluation, same result, and lost more days. Again, Her hand picked evaluator.
I call my custody 'majority' as opposed to full or primary because the way it reads, my ex is to have my daughter 3 overnight weekends a month. She elects to take 1 or at most 2. I get no support from her in dollar or in deed. And no, she is Not far away. She is 1.3 miles from us. She only works 3 days a week as a nurse. On the few days she has her, she ships her out to neighbors or leaves her alone usually.
Another reason I presuppose a woman unfit if no significant custody of her children is that my ex chose to abandon us to pursue a married with 3 children doctor co-worker she was sleeping around with. Infidelity to family and infidelity to responsibility.
I won't even temper my comments with a Politically Correct disclaimer that every situation is different. Of course it is. This one just happens to be Mine. And you can now use It to integrate into your future thoughts on this subject.

PS: My daughter and I have a Great relationship. She is straight "A" every quarter in school, National Honor Society, sports, extra curricular, etc. The therapist her 'mom' imposed on us through court says that she is a very well adjusted young lady and sees no reason to keep seeing her.
I'm NOT blowing my own horn here. I wish she had a good mom at home and I had a good wife. That is my intent. But for now, this is how it is.
My ex doesn't Want to be a full time mom or wife. Nor is she appearantly fit according to expert evaluation. And That is what pops into my head upon hearing 'kids live with dad'. Thanks for listening.
 hipster82

Joined: 6/22/2007
Msg: 114
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Posted: 7/6/2007 8:55:44 PM
Throwing a spin on it, what if the woman has given a child up for adoption over choosing to be a single parent? Will one still consider her to be "unfit"? I can see people automatically assuming that the birth mother is "unfit", however in my opinion, a child is usually placed up for adoption when a woman knows that the child will benefit more from being in a stable (more often than not two parent) home.

I'm not a man so I can't say for certain what my judgements as one would be, however I know that personally, I wouldn't judge. I know there are many circumstances in which a father has custody - perhaps the mother felt it best for her kids. To me, that is UNselfish. Giving them what she could not. I don't see her as "unfit". Just as I don't see a father who doesn't get custody "unfit".
 pierceddvl

Joined: 6/29/2007
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Posted: 7/6/2007 9:11:09 PM
Well unfortunately, I tend to take that view because I have two boys that live with me, and their mother is the biggest piece of **** I have ever met. She lives about 6 blocks away from us and is too worried about all of her little f*** buddies, drinking and drugs to even bother calling her kids. They haven't even talked to her in 18 months. I know this isn't always the case but living this I tend to take a negative view when something like that is said.
 beerchen

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Posted: 7/7/2007 4:46:11 AM
oh children, play nice.


Sometimes , it's not as easy as it looks from the outside.

I have a teenage daughter , she's 13. Her dad lives in Texas and she spents the summers with him.

I learned that at age 14, kids may decide which parent to live with.
Now, certainly there are restrictions, regulations, etc.

However, here is my situation.
I have pretty much raised my daughter on my own since age 2. I have been the primary provider for all, she has lived primarly with me ( he saw her for weekends).
I would hate to see it happen, but what if she felt that it was time to life with her dad now so she can be spending more time with him?

It scares the living daylights out of me.
But, if i was to deny her the wish to spent her teenage years with her dad, does that make me a bad mother? No!!!

So, before you judge anybody on the custody question. Ask more questions first.
 Happily Ever...maybe

Joined: 2/13/2007
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Posted: 7/7/2007 1:50:29 PM
I'll just get back to the OP's original question. I try not to make snap judgements before I have all the facts, and would never assume that just because a woman doesn't have her children living with her, that there is something "wrong" with her. If and when she is ready she can share with me the reasons for why the child lives elsewhere. I have a son who was a pain in the butt teenager once, and he came to live with me for almost 2 years during that time, so I knew what it was like to have him with me, and to have him not with me. I always tried to do what was best for him, but I wouldn't let him use his mother and I in a battle of revolving doors and go back and forth, so once he left to go back to mom's, that was it for him living with me.

Personally, I think it takes a lot of strength of character for the OP to do what she felt was in the best interests of her daughter, in spite of how it might make her feel, and let her little girl live with her father because of the school situation. If only all parents could show their kids such examples of how an adult is supposed to act!
 COP4LIFE2007

Joined: 7/3/2007
Msg: 118
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Posted: 7/8/2007 1:15:04 PM
hmm, I would have to say yes, but that is going off the old sterotype that most woman obtain full custody in court and win. But with that said, I was on a website last week and it said that most men do not fight for full custody. Out of all the men who actually fought for full custody they won 50 percent of the time. The laws are changing fast and there are some states out there now that have to give joint custody first, as long as both parents are fit. We live in a differnt world today, with both parents working in my households I think it is only fair for the courts to give joint. ...
 jffquin

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Posted: 7/8/2007 5:35:49 PM
I'm new here so hello to everybody. As far as the original question, Yes I would assume the mom had problems of some sort. we all know what the first 3 letters of assume stand for. But asking a woman why the father had custody is akin to asking a woman how long she has been pregnant if you are not really sure she is or if she just has a big belly. If I don’t know her well enough to ask, It’s none of my business anyway.
For what it worth, I have had physical custody of my 11 year old son since he was 1. (By my second marriage). I regret I was not mature enough with my 1st 2 kids to enjoy their childhood. Yes, I changed diapers, cleaned up after sick kids, cook and the like. (still don’t do windows.) My lawyer told me I had no chance of getting custody because #1- I had no bio father rights to his brother and the courts did not like to split up brothers #2- younger than 5 years old is the formative years and the courts automatically give children this age to the mother #3- because I had I job and mom did not, the courts would view this as income to the mother (as if mom could not get a job). This is 10 year old info but I see it still works that way quite often today. Thank God it did not take a battle to get custody of my son. When the judge gave me cousady, he ask my lawyer how to write this one up because the judge did not know. My own lawyer just shrugged his shoulders with palms up.
 beerchen

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Posted: 7/9/2007 4:18:00 AM
HarleyKat:

The request hasn't been made in so many words. She simply thought that she knows so much about me and so little about her dad .

Ok, so she sees him for 3 months in the summer. But she wants to experience the possibility to see what it would be like other then for summer vacation. Maybe it's some sort of test she wants to put her dad to.

I don't really know whether she's going to make the choice to actually persue living with her dad for the years of highschool.
Maybe it's also because her dad lives in a much bigger city, in a different state.
Who knows.. teenagers I tell ya!
 stacy_loves_smiles

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Posted: 7/9/2007 1:44:58 PM
Even though I am obviously the OP of this thread, I have chosen to just sit back and listen to the different views on this subject. I did not intend it to be a discussion about custody issues but am interested that it has basically turned into one.

I have seen a lot of woman here try to say that they have a mother/child bond with their child that cannot be matched by another parent. I do not disagree with this statement at all. My daughter's father will never be able to love her the same way I do, but he is able to love her just as much in a different way.

I think being a parent takes a lot of unselfish acts. Accepting that just because you hold a special bond with your child that cannot be matched does not mean that you are automatically the best parent to raise the child full-time is the most unselfish of them all.

I think most (if not all) of the parents that have given their input on this thread are probably very good, loving parents. I think this because of their willingness to share and debate on such a touchy subject....BUT being a good, loving parent doesn't always mean you can offer your child the best relationship to be the primary parent.

It takes a lot of soul-searching and a very humble attitude to realize that perhaps the other parent offers more patience, time, a better living situation, a closer emotional connection, or a personality that your child can relate to better to get what he fully needs to become a strong, loving person.

I think too many people feel that having their children full-time somehow defines them as being the most loving and fit to raise the child. Just perhaps...not having my child with me full-time shows that I realize she is getting things that my personality cannot offer her. Unconditional love is never black and white.
 Tim0066

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Posted: 7/9/2007 3:05:18 PM
No you did a few things right actualy...

You chose a good man to be your childrens father, so you have good taste in men despite your relationship not working out.

You (and I'm assuming it wasn't by force) allowed your childrens father to have them live with him which shows you respect men. (You should eventualy swap back in a few years and have them live with you, in mean time I'm assuming your children get duel households i.e. have bedrooms at your house too)

Children raised with dual homes (NOT broken homes as some ignorant people will call them) grow up just as good if not better sometimes then those with a single home (and sometimes two parents that are only staying together because of the children and end up hurting their children with subconsious bad treatment from one parent to the other)

But would your children not living fulltime with you stop me from dating you? heck no
 HarleyKat~

Joined: 8/5/2005
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Posted: 7/9/2007 5:20:47 PM
Stacy...your post was a nice one to a thread that is coming to a close for the most part.

I think this thread has made me think a LOT....big difference is my children are already raised, so it is difficult to change my thoughts on what I lived as my life, for so long.

I will say, it should be no different for a woman to say that she does not have custody of her children, than it is for a man. In other words...when we women meet men without custody, we do not judge them for such because of our preconceived or ingrained notions of it being the norm. So it really should be something that everyone views individually, not neccesarily agreeing with, but accepting that we are all human and we make choices that we feel best at the time we made them. Life is a learning experience!

I agree...seems almost everyone in this thread are loving, caring, people and parents! Kudos to all!
 justdating

Joined: 2/22/2007
Msg: 124
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Posted: 7/9/2007 9:43:05 PM
To the thread "starter" -Stacy loves smiles..........
My ex-mother in law would be giving you a "GOOD FOR YOU" for even thinking out loud, the very taboo question that you asked -" What do they think??"......They, of course in this matter really being either sex- (but I saw you were really referring to the man, in a dating situation) ( but has you see - most of your fellow women are very vocal -and short sighted in this matter ) My heart aches for you - but I can understand and relate has to why your doing what you've decided to do. Stella (the mother in law) would be giving you a high five for keeping the welfare of the child your number one priority. You made the right choice- has far has I am concerned ............and you will be a better person in the long run for bettering yourself financially. Emotionally ......it sucks (to put it bluntly) Has there is no stronger bond (i agree with you there, Harley Kat) than the one between a mother and their child. But in this day and age - you have to look at the big picture and not think of the instant gratification of the here and now. You said - "this is a temporary situation"- so already you know ,there is a light at the end of he tunnel.
There are many wonderful dad's out there who deserve full custody of their children due to a "unfit" mom- and visa verse ....................you are not unfit - in any sense of the word - but ,,,,,,,,,,,people are neanderthals in their thinking - that ONLY a mom should have the kids - and if they don't then they are "screwed up". This is old - out-dated thinking .....that thought process should have gone out, with the last century...................but - it has not (very apparent reading some of these responses...........I am saddened.............really saddened)
Harley Kat - To you .........I am glad that your kids are grown and gone- I was flabbergasted by your continued stance on this very personal "oh my god- what must they think" attitude. That she is less has a person and a mom by doing this. And totally off the thread ...... for you to think your bond is not has strong w/your son - than it was with your daughter .......................because you breast fed her- and not him???? LOL, omg ..................you poor thing - believing everything you read- EVERY parent loves their child .......and has a bond - whether they were breast or bottle fed , jeez. The bond is that "cosmic force" - and has nothing to do w/that, but w/the parents (mom or dad) - but once again - we are WAY off the original thread question she asked. Some mom's (and dad's) simply are not cut out for the job ..........due to a mental illness- or a addiction of some sorts.................or maybe they ,themselves were bottle fed- well, that says it all right there (LOL)- no wonder they are so screwed up........and ditch their kids . ps- my cs was 20$@ week yes , I know ....a joke- but I had my daughter since she was 3, (divorce) pretty much full time - her dad saw her 2 days a week -for a couple of hours after work. He was - and is a wonderful man - and a even better dad ,,,,,,,,,,has the years went by - he was up to 3 days - and now that my daughter is 15 , (and knows it all - you can't tell her anything ,Typical teenager ) - just wait Stacy- 3 .....4 more years - she might just want to live there .....all the time - and visit you. Mine ............has of 3 months ago is doing just that - living with her dad. 2 cities over (I drove her to his school system - because they were better schools) - And you know what ...................?? It's okay - I understand her motives.....and it has nothing to do with me being a "bad" mom . I was her best friend -and we were inseparable - I , unlike her dad- make her clean up after herself, and tried to instill values in her - like taking care of herself. She had chores here .....and responsibilities. At her dad's.....she does not - heck , if I was her,,,,,,,,,I'd want to be there too ! LOL !! Does it - hurt , and do I miss her ? Like I would miss breathing- yep, absol- fuc**ing -lutly ( Mr. Big - Sex in the City quote) . I know she will be in college in three years ( 3.96 gpa by the way - she's no dummie) and I have done my job - and I did it well ...............but like Beerchen said ..........."teenagers- go figure ! "

And to - "Beerchen- nope........we are not bad mama's- your story is pretty much mine (the named have changed to protect the innocent : ) (joke)

Babs3 - cuddles to you for having the estrogen to stand up to the neanderthal thinking- and agree that SLS is making her choice thinking of the child's welfare first . And yes- there is more too it than just "popping" out a kid- but here in the states - there are many moms that "pop" them with no thoughts has to how to take care of them .........oh sh*t - That's another thread ; ) -I'll bite my tongue for now

East coast : You sound like a very forward thinking kind of guy ........kuddles to you too for voicing the dad's view - and not kowtowing to the "kids gotta be with mom - or else they have bad mom's" mentality. Auugghhhh- that was so last year !

R U ready - yes ....you are a lucky woman .............and so am I. Not all men (just like some women) are good, loving , in the best interest of the child , parents - good for you for seeing that quality in him and giving him the opportunity of a lifetime !

Ju Ju Bee- You look very young ,,,,,and there is more to parenting than playing and shelter- if both parent are good parents ......and they both are financially capable of maintaining a home (rent or buy -makes no difference) Let's say that parent A has a house (or Apt) in a nicer city - with a better school and safer area ( yes -it takes a village) and could afford to give said child a real breakfast (eggs-yogurt-fruit) and sit down and actually talk to them - rather than shoveling Cheerios in their tummy's and scooping them off to a "section 8 "day care (we call it government subsidized here ) so they can go work a minimum wage job at the local Micky D's - Like parent B does , Then why should parent A ,who CAN provide these better choices - have custody of said child ??? Because that parent is a man ..............?? I don't think so .............
I read more often than not - that these so called "section 8" parents - who live pretty much off our taxpayers dollars - in most cases ( oh , I'm gonna get my AS* chewed for this statement, I'm sure) Are the ones abusing the kids .......the pressure to make good and get "out of the system" becomes too much - and in most case's -there is a substance issue - or a "boyfriend- abuses kids" issue - bottom line , if the male parent - who really wants full custody .....then why shouldn't he have it??
Oh that's right - he's a man ..........I forgot what century I was living in.

Care bear - yes ...totally right - what are they thinking"" ........I think you are right on ! : )

jhagemere- hang in there.......sounds like a "conspiracy theory" to me- A movie I saw once - ( a bad movie) and I cannot believe that it is still happening in remote parts of the country (and abroad too, I'm sure) - That a persons life can be taken away from them so easily - and in your case - your kids, were your life. Keep doing what your doing - and you will have results- ask for a impartial judge - ask them to prove you unstable - keep your nose clean , and keep doing the next right thing - and all will be well. ( praying in these real "life sucks" situations, helps ) When you do get them back (and you will)- just remember that they still have a father that , obviously went a little nuts- but still loves them - the same way you do !

There were many sad , men here -sticking up for the single dad -" Good for you"- you will be rewarded - and phooey on those of you short sited-women that think it is a one woman show - and especially those of you, so bitter , that you make that man pay thur his nose , shame on you - let them spend more time w/their dad's (if they are truly good dad's)
And those of you trying to improve their living conditions by school - and better jobs - you go girl !

Thank you for finally asking the question .Stacy...........If they are worth ANYthing has a human being and possible significant other - then they will NOT judge you - and respect you for taking the welfare of your daughter into consideration.
Shame on us all for getting off the thread - and being brats !
(yep - I'm a tad guilty too - hard not to be in this instance w/so many negative folks)

Justdating
 justdating

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Msg: 125
What do you initially think when a woman says her kids live with their father?
Posted: 7/9/2007 9:53:14 PM
PSS- I am the 'visit" parent now (2-3 days a week , if, i'm lucky) .........it won't always be like this - when her dad doesn't give her ,her way ..............I will be the good guy again .....and if it continues that she remains there - more hours than she's with me- then - that's okay too ........because , like your x- he's a great dad - and there is something between a dad- and daddy's little girl -
And that's okay - I did my job- and has long has I am a part of her life - then it's all good !
Everything happens for a reason !
Justdating
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