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Posted: 7/9/2007 7:48:05 AM | emotionalheat
I suppose you also think that Christianity is by far the largest single belief system in the world
It's probably Islam right now... but what's in a name and what's in a number. I think that Christianity is perhaps the most talked about... but what do I care of such things?
Between 9 and 2 I'll be passing out food boxes to the needy. Food boxes that come from the donations of christians who like what my church does. It amazes me that out of the 230,000 other faiths not one of them does what Christianity does on the scale that it does when it comes to good works. Argue with this if you want... but the truth is you already know it's true. Nobody loves Jesus like the little old lady at the soup kitchen... and she runs it on friday nights from 5 to 8 like she has every night for the past 40 years.
Therefore, it seems logical that faith, by it's very nature is a personal thing, and to try to teach your truth to others, will only end with your own frustrations. Such a sad way to live one's live, especially when willing and able hands are at your disposal to help in so many other ways.
I think what is fascinating about my relationship with the director/pastor of this ministry is that we don't have to preach to anyone. The needy and the homeless don't have to hear a sermon to get a food box. My only frustration is those that seem to be using the fact that we are giving away something for free and think that is a good enough reason in itself to come to our church.
I do get frustrated alot. But so do 8th grade math teachers! But again for me it falls under the catagory of "who cares?" I know I don't.... I just care that I treat everyone with as much love, patience and understanding as I am capable of and even more so with the Lords help.
And that's it. My main focus in the scriptures is the behavioral aspects of it because "blessed are the poor in spirit..." is a very great concept for those who you might be robbing your house tomorrow night. To me the Lord teaches humility through love, acceptance and bowl of soup more than through understanding the logic of keeping ones faith personal.
I love the fire of faith in a new convert... they just want to shout if from the roof tops!
Free at laaaassssttt! And many that I know haven't been back to prison or strung out on drugs or booze or homeless or prostitution or gangs for years.
That's my logic, my faith, and the unchanging and irrefutable power of Jesus Christ presented in an unchanging and unchangable bible. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 1:43:20 PM | As previously stated, I don't chose Christianity, because it "works" for me. I chose Christianity, because it has higher standards then what I would place on myself, and I see truth in that.
If you are afraid of finding out the origins of your faith n8, don't go to the link at the bottom of this post...
I love the fire of faith in a new convert... they just want to shout if from the roof tops!
Nothing wrong with love... If an illusion is what it takes to make someone feel good about themselves, that's fine by me... But not at the expense of the thinkers in the world...
Speaking of what we now know... Let's take a look at what the church knew for years and years...Chris_75 posted this link on another thread... Hope you enjoy.
As for prophesy... It's easy to predict an uprising when you harvest lies.
http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/background/sok/sok-04.html | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 1:52:28 PM |
But since understanding came so long a time after difference, wouldn't it make more sense to think we are here just to be different?
Not, if the purpose is to understand that we really aren't all that different.
Why does there have to be some weirdo motives behind our existence?
What's weirdo about understanding who we are?
If your god knows all outcomes how could this be a challenge? You really make no sense to me...
Ummm, because WE don't know the outcome.
I would say, you don't make sense to me either, but I've walked both paths, and while I chose a different path than you, I do understand where you're coming from.
So do countless other faiths and ways... Maybe you should broaden your Horus Sons
The more time I spend, searching for God, outside of Christ, the more I realize, Christ is where He's at.
That's right... You can learn from them or call them dangerous...
One is an uplifting experience and one causes even further separation.
I consider,separation from that, which is dangerous ,to be, an uplifting experience. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 2:16:31 PM | I have been told on many numerous occasions that in order to read and interpret the Bible one must be moved to do so by the Holy Spirit.
What you should have been told is that to read the bible and interpret it correctly, they should seek an education in greek so that they might be able to understand some of the REAL words of these ancient people. (1)
Your bible is a collection of propoganda and pop culture from diffrent cultural hot spots in the last 2000 years. MANY times now this bible has been either mistranslated, or outright changed to suit a politicians fancy or shakespeares artistic licence.
Even as far back as when the jews lived as slaves in the shadow of Babylon the great, they were stealing stories. Mother Babylon gave the jews the story of Noah and his ark. The real story of Noah, was really the story Utnapishtim as told in "The Epic of Gilgamesh". This story was so popular and well known that after the jews were free, they repainted the story and packaged Utnapishtim with a more hebrew name.
It wasnt the first time, nor will it be the last, that the bible HAS evolved. So the question of wether or not it should evolve is moot. It HAS, and it IS changing constantly.
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(1) Really, a few anthro classes with a focus on the ancient middle east, from a NON-christian college, should be REQUIRED for anyone wanting to read the bible or become a christian.... with the number of people the "good book" has killed.... an idiot with a bible is more dangerous than an idiot with a handgun.
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Posted: 7/9/2007 2:20:34 PM | You have to do better then a biased source with an agenda to discredit Christianity.
I don't mean to offend, but I find it hillarious, that you so easily refute the billions of people who have spoken of Christ, for thousands of years, yet listen intently to a handful about 9/11 conspeiracy theory. Let me guess, George Bush is not human, but some sort of reptilelion, and the world is run by a select group of Jews.
I'm sorry, I'm just tired of this pointless debate.
I'm tired of this weak arguement that, because some, who have claimed Christianity, were/are corupt, that it somehow discredits Christianity altogether. Every religion, organization, government, culture, society, etc., has been corupted, perverted, and abused, at some point in time, by some of its members. This shows that it is not the systems that are corupt, but that man is corupt.
There is much evidence that points to the existence of Christ and none to the contrary. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 2:24:03 PM | What's weirdo about understanding who we are?
Nothing... What's weirdo is having a 2000 year old liar dictate who you are.
Ummm, because WE don't know the outcome.
So if we don't know the outcome are you saying someone does? If your god knows the outcome, there is no challenge... Free will down the toilet... Bye-bye.
I would say, you don't make sense to me either, but I've walked both paths, and while I chose a different path than you, I do understand where you're coming from.
I don't think you do... I'm coming from a place that needs no gods... And trust me... You have not walked my path... Not this life, leastways...
I don't mean to offend, but I find it hillarious, that you so easily refute the billions of people who have spoken of Christ, for thousands of years,
Nobody knew Christ! Not in the flesh anyhow... He is not on record! The Bible doesn't count...
I'm tired of this weak arguement that, because some, who have claimed Christianity, were/are corupt, that it somehow discredits Christianity altogether. Every religion, organization, government, culture, society, etc., has been corupted, perverted, and abused, at some point in time, by some of its members. This shows that it is not the systems that are corupt, but that man is corupt.
Man made these systems! Your logic is an odd thing!
There is much evidence that points to the existence of Christ and none to the contrary.
That's a lie... Prove it without the Bible.
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Posted: 7/9/2007 2:35:10 PM |
There is much evidence that points to the existence of Christ and none to the contrary.
Your challenge is to find anything other than the bible or the works of Josephus that support this clumsy untrue statement.
I'm tired of this weak arguement that, because some, who have claimed Christianity, were/are corupt, that it somehow discredits Christianity altogether.
Actually, christ made that weak argument. You will know a tree by its fruit. You cannot pick a fig from a grape vine.
Likewise, when an organistation does everything backwards from the way its founder (jesus) said... then you get a rotten, foul tree. You get all the rotten fruit such as priests molesting children, all the violence and ignorance most folks associate with christianity and well known christan villans.
I can, and do, recognise that there are bad apples in any bunch... but also at SOME point a group DOES have to take some of the responsibility for their individuals actions. saying things like "that man wasnt a REAL christian" only works the first few hundrend thousand times.
So, either christ was correct... and we CAN judge christianity by the fruits we see, or he was wrong and we should give you christians a fair shake instead of judging you by the actions of so many of your predessesors. Ill make sure to apoligise as soon as you post here telling me that jesus was wrong. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 2:38:58 PM | ^^Stone, you're asking for the impossible. Have you ever seen anyone bring the evidence?? I haven't, not once.
hmmm, N8 Dawg, the fervent Christian. The same N8 Dawg that sings "there she goes, shakin' that azz on the floor, bumpin' and grindin' that pole, I think I'm loosin' control"?
LOL LOL, that cracked me up when I saw the nick, sorry.
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Posted: 7/9/2007 2:39:58 PM | Statue, thank-you for addressing my post.
It's probably Islam right now... but what's in a name and what's in a number. I think that Christianity is perhaps the most talked about... but what do I care of such things?
It amazes me that out of the 230,000 other faiths not one of them does what Christianity does on the scale that it does when it comes to good works. Argue with this if you want...
Your first comment, at least in America it is the most talked about, for many reasons. In other countries it is not. In fact in some other countries it is not even a part of common knowledge.
Your second comment: It is clear that you do good deeds, I would ask,
do you do these good works only because you are a Christian?
Do you believe that these good works will change the outcome of your eternal existence? Do you think that only the good works of Christians are worthy of recognition?
I also need to clarify a point - The Christian faith includes over 230,000 sects. While they all claim to be Christian, they all claim to have the correct truth and if these truths were all the same, what need would there be for 230,000 different religious organizations?
You see, I do not dispute the good nature of your heart, I only dispute that you attempt to teach truths, when you can not know it is truth for others, but only for yourself. You see, if your's is the only truth, then apparently Jesus and his followers were not very apt communicators. For there are countless numbers of Christians who do not see truth as you do. Yet in the end if your faith is, that only belief in Jesus as Christ can save you, then there is no other truth to be taught - and no other judgments to be made - is there?
Please consider the questions I have posed here. Your answers help others to understand your position on many levels. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 2:50:31 PM | pujakama, Your post made me laugh.
I have actually met some of the most intelligent people of the Christian faith. They are extremely well educated in the history and the dead languages of the Bible. While some are extreme about their evangelical ways, others are quite patient and explain in great detail why they believe as they do. Most of the latter are not associated with any religious organization. They have come to their beliefs through much work and inner turmoil and they are quite willing to follow their path, without judgment of others.
In fact these are the people that make me realize that even Christianity has retained some small bit of redemption, and that for all of them, their faith is a sustaining force in their lives, which I would not take away, I only try to temper it by using their own laws as seed for the sowing. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 3:06:10 PM | Stone and Puj,
You are addressing a topic of faith. Those who follow the Christian faith do so for many reasons, most because they were raised that way or because they need the faith to fill the unknowns in their life.
Those who follow, still have a sense of logic and to others who demand proof, they will attempt to provide such foddor. For the truth is, there can be no proof of faith. So to ask the question when you know there is no logic that can prove it, is a pretentious way to match witts. You will not change their faith you will only alienate them from other conversations, and there are so many interesting ones to be had. And there are so many points to be disputed - why spoil the fun, the learning process?
Tolerance is a two way street, and only through tolerance can we view both sides of an argument.
I do want to say, you both have some very interesting views and I look forward to participating in more conversations with you and others here as well. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 3:18:19 PM | What I would like to know at this point having seen a lot of the same old pointless back and forth start to emerge is, in the spirit of the OP's question, is it necessary for the believer to have a factual basis for the Bible for it to be of use?
In other words, does one desperately have to cling to fudging the results, half baked interpretations of data, forged pious fraud like Josephus' insertion on Christ and bad science in order to make the Bible enter the court of fact.
Without a factual account, is it somehow less meaningful to a believer? Would the messages not have any bearing? Would the philosophical truths imparted by the Scriptures suddenly NOT hold any water if they were not based on actual events, but say a mythological interpretation of reality? And if so, why?
Why is it any less meaningful to serve your fellow man in a manner like Jesus did, if he did not "die for the sins of the world and rise from the dead?"
Why are the Ten Commandments for instance, any less useful if we know their origins might actually emerge from Ancient Egypt and the Book of the Dead and not Mount Sinai and the "voice of God"?
I think this is the root of the OP's angle... why should not the essential philosophy not reflect what we come to really understand about real history and how the world works...should we not pursue truth and understanding wherever we find it? | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 3:19:58 PM | I have many friends who are Christian and I don't try to tell them they are wrong... Unless they call my thoughts dangerous and try to scare people into believing their way... I think that is sick...
I have compassion for these people also, but more so the ones who go to the grave questioning their beliefs because of fear instilled into them by other people...
I have taken the wisdom I've found in the Bible and use it along with the rest, however, I must speak out against the use of fear... Cowards use fear... Dictators use fear... The last thing I want to cause is pain for anybody, but I see how much pain spreading fear causes and has caused... I will always speak out against those who claim "truth"...
Especially a truth as dark as sending our brothers and sisters to burn.
Just thinking about that makes me want to throw up... How can someone wish that upon another?
What I would like to know at this point having seen a lot of the same old pointless back and forth start to emerge is, in the spirit of the OP's question, is it necessary for the believer to have a factual basis for the Bible for it to be of use?
None whatsoever... You don't need to know what an artist was thinking to appreciate their art or to let it inspire you... To use it as a weapon to increase your power however, is another matter.
I think this is the root of the OP's angle... why should not the essential philosophy not reflect what we come to really understand about real history and how the world works...should we not pursue truth and understanding wherever we find it?
Yes, truth and understanding... However, should we not invesigate dogma whenever it rears it's bigoted head?
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Posted: 7/9/2007 3:37:13 PM | Fiddler, as always, the voice of reason.
I agree with your sentiments. I have always believed that the Sermon on the Mount is probably the most beautiful and pragmatic prose ever written. It does not matter to me who said it.
The problem is that very few Christians take the implied message and try to live it. Their own "sins" and fear based thoughts and actions prompt them to look in the Bible for verses to exonerate their actions and thoughts.
And then we're told we're born in sin and haven't got a freakin" chance anyway since we're not one of the "Elect".
Is it ANY wonder why the Bible is subject to such close scrutiny and derision? Stone is right. Christianity is based on fear.
I believe that the Bible and the original transcripts and all the other stuff hidden deep in the Vatican should be shown, translated and given to the masses to form their own informed opinions.
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Posted: 7/9/2007 3:40:45 PM | emotionalheat... i wasn't sure if you were gonna stick around! glad you did...
Yet in the end if your faith is, that only belief in Jesus as Christ can save you, then there is no other truth to be taught - and no other judgments to be made - is there?
I love Isaiah 11's first few verses that speak of a blessed man who will not judge by the seeing of his eye's or the hearing of his ears but will judge with righteousness and equity for the meek of the earth.
In a christian jazz song I sing for my church sometimes the verse inspired the words of the chorus "Only the Lowly, Only the meek, Only the merciful, will I seek...." I call the song "Only the Lowly" a pun to be sure.
Anywho... to answer your question.
Yes. My mother once told me the same thing. She had just become a christian but since she had spent 15 years at that point in Alcoholics Anonymous she was still of the mind that christianity might just be a phase in her life. That has changed now as she has confirmed herself a christian for life and even has a drink now and again... healed she says from her alcoholism. (Blasphemy in any AA group!) And not that you remind me of mom..))
Last Anywho... I'm not sure what I believe saves me besides Jesus Christ... but I do believe there is a bit more too it... like gaining and giving love and counsel and wisdom and understanding. If I debate I debate in defense of truth as authority... and yet I do not consider myself an authority on truth. I just feel strongly that Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life. He is my salvation and all the warm fuzzies I feel as a result of loving Him.
I serve out of gratitude and out of need. Not out of fear. After all I serve food boxes to the poor provided by christians who have gotten their lives together and donate to the type of people they once were to greater or lesser degrees.
So my mother is happy and I hope I can get to a point where I can have just a couple and stop myself... so in 30 years I can have a martini...
I'm wayyyy off the point here huh?
OK one more time... the bottom line is... Jesus Saves.
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Posted: 7/9/2007 3:45:28 PM |
For the truth is, there can be no proof of faith. So to ask the question when you know there is no logic that can prove it, is a pretentious way to match witts. You will not change their faith you will only alienate them from other conversations
I thank you for your opinion, but my own experience has proven this wrong. People can be changed, I have seen it done, and helped it along.
Pretentious? Ok, ill buy that.
alienate them from other conversations, and there are so many interesting ones to be had. And there are so many points to be disputed - why spoil the fun, the learning process?
Oh i doubt that. The christians that can be baited to saying silly things like their faith can be proven, those people can be taunted like a kitten suffering from the urge to catch the laser pointer.... they will be back time and time again. If, by some chance, they get tired of having their ignorance mocked and leave... I win, and can find a new kitten on any corner with a church.
J
I have actually met some of the most intelligent people of the Christian faith.
Yeah, we all have met some who despite their seeming intelligence still want look to a jew who couldnt save himself from the romans, to save them.
While all faiths are mostly good, with a few bad apples here and there... it seems a constantly growing trend with monotheism is that the "few" are the good apples while the bad is the batch. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 4:58:56 PM |
Man, this place is full of hate for Christians.
A man is known by the company he keeps. You put yourself into a group based on a choice, and you put yourself into the same group as the people who have made that choice before you. Like it or not.
I love that people want proof and then exclude evidence.
the writings of josephus are bunk, and the bible can not be used to prove itself. Refusing to allow a poor source to validate itself isnt excluding evidence. You have yet to produce any of this evidence you say exists. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 5:13:20 PM | Man, this place is full of hate for Christians.
I don't hate anybody... I think everyone should be their own person... Not conform out of fear...
I love that people want proof and then exclude evidence.
If you offer some, I'll check it out(Keep in mind the above post)
I don't know a single Christian who would wish that anybody burn in hell.
So why preach the concept?... You don't think anyone should go there, so what? Just following orders? Where have I heard that before?
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Posted: 7/9/2007 6:22:31 PM | Statue - Thanks for your response. Over the last 5 to 10 years, I have noticed a change in the views of most Christians. It's almost as if, the challenge from non-believers has required that more look deeper into the dogma of their individual religious affiliations. I think this has been a good thing, as there are so many more people thinking for themselves, reading and researching and even more - being more open minded. (by the way, don't take offense at the word dogma, it is meant as defined and not with any preconceived notions)
Puja - you have witt and humor and honesty and you do make me smile - thanks
Stone - I agree with your statements about fear, but fear seems to be fading with the older generation. As I just mentioned to Statue, there has been quite a change, one of these is in the idea of hell. So many more Christians do not teach that hell is anything more than ceasing to exist and heaven, on the contrary, is eternal life - in the sight of God. But this does encompass some fear, for children are still taught that if they are not saved they can not ever be with their families and loved ones again. And when this kind of notion is instilled from early childhood, it is, in affect a brain washing tactic and I can not agree with it.
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Posted: 7/9/2007 10:44:40 PM | J and L (Pujakama)
Yeah, we all have met some who despite their seeming intelligence still want look to a jew who couldnt save himself from the romans, to save them
John F. Kennedy died reminding us of internal corruption and trying to do something about it. Martin Luther King died reminding us that we should all enjoy equal rights under our own truths that remain self evident. Jesus Christ even if the ressurection was a myth died showing man that freedom from evil must start withn the individual.
Why do you think Jesus did not save himself from the cross? I think it is because our common creator I AM showed him a way to conquer death through obedience to forgiveness for the worst of sins... condemning the innocent.
Will you now condemn me for believing so? The way to freedom is through the truth... but where is the truth? If you know it say it plainly but if you don't then ask yourself why you can lie about a jew who couldn't save himself to save those who believe in him.
Or do you ignore the voices of faith by relegating us as simpletons so that you can live the style of life you want to live without any conviction of error on your part. You preach a sermon too, and the followers of it pay you homage in a freedom that is a bondage in disguise if we unintelligent christians are correct. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 10:51:58 PM |
The way to freedom is through the truth... Well said :)
but where is the truth? If you know it say it plainly IMO it is individually determined... can that really be otherwise?
We are each able to choose what is true for ourselves (at least in regard to that which cannot be proven;).. how can that possibly be judged or seen as untrue?
Will/has/should the bible evolve? IMO it doesn't matter... we CAN evolve, regardless of whether a book does or doesn't...
And this argument seems to be perpetuating something a lot different than that.
Sad really.. for the potential is always there ;) | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 11:21:19 PM | The Bible talks about biblical hell and now people talk about what makes sense. If something doesn't make the popular brand of sense, then anyone in disagreement is sent to an intellectual purgatory, and if they don't "repent" eventually--i.e. make "sense" to whatever theory is popular at the moment--then you go to intellectual hell, shunned and spurned. I see no difference between the intellectual "elites" and bible thumpers. You both judge, one from a moral perspective, the other from a logical one. And both perpetuate animosity, not a conversation.
What we know? You can take the bible or you can take the scientific method . . . it doesn't matter. We still know very little about anything. All we can do is leave ourselves open for converstaions in case someone says something that might change a person's life, no matter what the agenda is. The hardcore thumpers and logicians leave themselves open to little. Both extremes certainly have that in common. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2007 5:00:55 AM |
John F. Kennedy died reminding us of internal corruption and trying to do something about it. Martin Luther King died reminding us that we should all enjoy equal rights
Sure. Heroes, both of them. Ill do you one better and call your magic jew a hero too.
The big diffrence is of corse rather than mistake these heroes for divinity, we take them for the mortal men they were. We have not assumed their divinity, then made up some story about our peaceful, benevolent, and all powerful god requiring a human sacrifice before he can forgive us our sins.
I do agree, when we look at jesus as a peace-talking iron age hippy that was trying to lead his people thru a non-violent resistance to roman occupation...he does seem like a man fit for mention as one of the greats from world history.
Why do you think Jesus did not save himself from the cross?
Because he shook up the status quo, and the roman empire lacked the first amendment.
The way to freedom is through the truth
Yes, this much is true. Learn enough of the truth and this whole judeo-christian mythology falls apart and you are left only with some discarded egyptian legends. So yes, this is true, moreso than you seem to know.
Will you now condemn me for believing so?
I know its vogue for you monotheists to have your condemnation fantasies and have that thirst to be the underdog, but for the last few (dozen) generations it was you folks doing the condemning.
I really dont care if you worship a magic jew, mohammuds camel, or a plate of spagetti. I think it would require me to care for an actual condemnation to occur. If by codemn you mean am i still going to judge the value of the faith based on the fruits it bears (its history), I sure as hell will. I put one condition on my generalisation... that is if you will clearly state for me here that jesus was WRONG when he said to judge a tree by its fruits, and that you cannot get a fig from a grapevine, etc.... If you will say that, I wont judge you on the standards set by your carpenter-lord.
Or do you ignore the voices of faith
No... the voices of faith are not ignored here. But the voices of a corrupted faith that is only a recent rehashing of truly ancient concepts and stories, then those voices carry less value.
so that you can live the style of life you want to live without any conviction of error on your part.
Nice try. I am living exactly the life I want, and I will reguardless of the "voices of faith" that may sing... if those voices come from such a corrupt tradition as the monotheist church. Perhaps its the anthropologist in me, but i cant swallow something so new and clearly a rehashing of older better traditions... I prefer to dig back to the start and get the message before it was distorted.
If you lack any idea that you yourself may be wrong, you are missing something. Doubt is not the opposite of faith, but rather its most essential element.
a freedom that is a bondage in disguise if we unintelligent christians are correct.
I could point out that older wiser faiths claim that to eat beef is to commit the worst of sins and will damn you to hells many times worse in imagining than a simple lake of fire. Have you given up beef yet? There are still many more that claim the same for anyone eating meat.
There are PLENTY of other people in this world that think other than you do, and if they are wrong YOU will be the one roasting in some creative torment-eternity. So if you want to toss around this silly logic, you really need to rethink your religion and become a pantheist. Thats really the only way to save yourself from all these hells. Besides, you CAN be a muslim and christian at the same time. While islam dosnt accept christs direct divinity, it dosnt discount it either.... best brush up on your arabic, because if they are right, then your religion is just bondage in disguse. (can you risk that? allu akbar!)
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May seem like a joke, but there is so much that points to that, yet not many choose to look into it.