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Posted: 3/23/2008 4:49:22 PM | | you should do what me and a groop of lads did during the last hot spell non smolkers were coming out side for a cool down in the night air but because it was raining slightlywere coming out in to the smolking area as it was coverdso we said piss of this is a smolkin area and non smolkers wernt welcome as you could imagen this coused some problems until the maneger stept in to calm things down . he then turned round sparked up a fag and said i carnt smoke in my own pub because of the ban so piss off bake inside and suffer the heat or go out front and get wet he then put a sign up a few days later on the doors to the smolking area saying no non smoking clasic | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/23/2008 5:39:01 PM | I'm a smoker and all for the non smoking ban, the bookies I work in had a very low ceiling and by the end of the day in winter could barely see the door through the haze if it had been busy. On a night out I don't mind spending 5 mins outside every hour for a quick smoke, and my friends don't mind when I say I'll be right back.
On topic, I've found it's the smokers being more immature saying things like "I bet you non-smokers love it in here without us lot" making issues of it even though the non smokers lived with it figuring if they didn't like the smoke they'd just go get another job, being a smoker myself I quite proudly said "yeah I love it when morons like you have to p'ss off outside now!" | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/23/2008 5:51:22 PM |
I dont agree with smoking if there are kids in the car and i wouldnt do it, but to ban it would be outragous IMO its my car, my choice, if someone doesnt like it, walk
You hit the nail on the head there, YOU wouldn't do it if there were kids in the car.....so what about the parents/adults who WOULD do it when there were kids in the car, can they get out and walk?
I rest my case! | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/23/2008 11:49:10 PM | i want to see non smokers banned from pub beer gardens this summer. if they like the smoke free pub so much let them stay in it on a hot sunny day.  | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/24/2008 12:03:04 AM | if they can smoking in cars, then expect many car accidents and major cases of road rage. You cant be stopped from smoking in your car. Its your property.
yes smoking MAY cause accidents, but just because someone is smoking at the wheel it doesnt mean they are more likely to cause a accident, thinking that is just...idiotic! Its just a bleeding fag! | |
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Posted: 3/24/2008 1:43:38 AM | they are talking on the news this morning about making shop keepers, supermarkets etc to sell cigarettes under the counter now,
i am a non smoker and have never smoked but i think that is a pathetic idea, either ban them full stop (but hey the government are not going to do that because they earn to much money from them) or just keep selling them not sure who comes up with these daft idea's but i bet they earn a dam site more than me  | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/24/2008 4:18:40 AM |
they are talking on the news this morning about making shop keepers, supermarkets etc to sell cigarettes under the counter now,
Bad move, it will just make them more appealing to youngsters and will not stop the sales ,it will if anything increase them.. IMHO
Smoking in any public area, park, street, etc will be next on the list..
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/24/2008 4:43:42 AM | | I heard on the news last night that there are calls to ban fag machines in pubs and clubs and to ban the display of tobacco products in shops. So smokers will suddenly be buying their fix 'under the counter.' It's bloody ridiculous IMO. Either just ban tobacco products altogether or accept that it is a legal substance. All this underhand, two-faced stuff annoys me greatly. It's ok for smokers to hand over the taxes but not ok to smoke. The Goverment should get a grip (both parties, both as bad as each other) and make a decision. | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/24/2008 4:51:55 AM | If Tobacco was coming on to the market today, it would be treated the same as Heroin, Cannabis and cocaine (all of which were legal at one point!) All of these drugs are bad for people and I am sure that within 10 years tobacco will be treated the same way!
I wonder how many of you protesting about this smoking ban, would argue about changing the status of other drugs..... not many, I bet!
I personally enjoy going out more these days, safe in the knowledge that I don't have to wash my hair / clothes after a night out! other peoples smoke is really rank!
I do wonder about the pride that some smokers exhibit about their addiction, smoking should be a deeply shameful act that society condems, not the badge of adulthood that some posters seem to enjoy! | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/24/2008 5:06:54 AM |
If Tobacco was coming on to the market today, it would be treated the same as Heroin, Cannabis and cocaine (all of which were legal at one point!) All of these drugs are bad for people and I am sure that within 10 years tobacco will be treated the same way!
As would alcohol..
I wonder how many of you protesting about this smoking ban, would argue about changing the status of other drugs..... not many, I bet!
If you are on about cannabis then you have just lost your bet, it is a well known fact that their have been many attempts to legalise this drug, thus gaining control of its distribution/quality, and collecting much needed revenue for the government..
I do wonder about the pride that some smokers exhibit about their addiction, smoking should be a deeply shameful act that society condemns, not the badge of adulthood that some posters seem to enjoy!
I have yet to see a post that is as you have just stated in its entirety, people smoke why should they have to hide it??
Re it being shameful there are far more shameful things that people indulge in, this is a forum asking for opinions, if someones opinion is such that they disagree with the proposed legislation then they are allowed to say so, its part of the debate, but to say that they should be deeply ashamed is a tad OTT.. | |
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Posted: 3/24/2008 5:11:52 AM | agree posh4.
I'm a smoker...... but.. i'm not a drinker. so am i allowed to say drinking should be seen as shameful?
I would far rather be a smoker and have all my faculties about me, than a drunk.
I was married to a man who became violent when drunk, i don't think i have ever heard of someone getting violent because they smoke.
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/24/2008 5:14:13 AM |
I do wonder about the pride that some smokers exhibit about their addiction, smoking should be a deeply shameful act that society condems, not the badge of adulthood that some posters seem to enjoy!
Personally, I think that while smokers are forking over the vast amounts of tax that they do, they have nothing to be ashamed about. Like I said, the Government have to do one thing or the other. Take the money and allow it or forego the money and ban it. The half measures are are neither use nor ornament to anyone.
Anti- smokers are complaining about the cold from the pub doors opening and closing or their smoker friends disappearing outside. Come the summer there will be the vociferous anti smokers moaning that the beer gardens are full of smokers. You can't have it all ways. While non-smokers are content to have the smokers subsidise their tax bill, they should put up and shut up (that tax bill is about £4 per 20, £28 a week for a twenty a day smoker). | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/24/2008 5:24:37 AM |
You cant be stopped from smoking in your car. Its your property.
yes smoking MAY cause accidents, but just because someone is smoking at the wheel it doesnt mean they are more likely to cause a accident, thinking that is just...idiotic! Its just a bleeding fag!
It may be your property but what about the rights of the children that have irresponsible parents smoking in the car in which they are passengers? These children have small, developing lungs that are being damaged due to these selfish people. Apart from the fact there is nothing more disgusting than seeing a woman with a 'fag' hanging out of her mouth whilst driving. | |
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Posted: 3/24/2008 5:26:37 AM | If Tobacco was coming on to the market today, it would be treated the same as Heroin, Cannabis and cocaine (all of which were legal at one point!)
Well it is not coming on the market today, it's been freely available for many years and is legal, (Not Illegal) and the Government rake in vast amounts of cash through the legal sale of tobacco products.
I just wonder if the government were to make alcohol illegal if you would have the same train of thought, after all alcohol is the biggest cause of anti social behavior in the UK is it not?, you don't see smokers causing fights because they have had a quick fix with a cigarette. You do drink alcohol do you not.?. 
If smoking was banned and made illegal, then alcohol should be banned and made illegal also, only fair if we were to agree with what your saying about smoking.... | |
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Posted: 3/24/2008 6:12:39 AM | I heard on the news last night that there are calls to ban fag machines in pubs and clubs and to ban the display of tobacco products in shops.
I have just been reading this...Where are they going to draw the line, Tobacco and ciggys under the counters, Alcohol to next I guess...Then all the top shelf mags in the cellars.. | |
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Posted: 3/24/2008 6:24:04 AM |
Well it is not coming on the market today, it's been freely available for many years and is legal, (Not Illegal)
currently legal......
The age at which you can buy tobacco has recently been raised by two years, harsher sentencing on shops and businesses which supply to underage consumers are becoming more common, and the whole mood of the country is swinging away from accepting smoking in public - not just in buildings, but I know of people who are looking forward to it being banned on our streets! Smoking is increasingly being seen as not desireable behaviour - I won't date a smoker, for example! Over time, the percentage of smokers in society is dropping and once it drops to a level where there are few votes to be gained by keeping it legal, I am sure the government will treat it like any other addictive and harmful drug!
and the Government rake in vast amounts of cash through the legal sale of tobacco products. and the Government rake in vast amounts of cash through the legal sale of tobacco products.
Again, currently - but as the number of smokers drops, the percentage of the revenues raised through taxing these products will drop - once the government gets to the point where revenue raised is less than the costs of dealing with smoking related illnesses, I am sure the political landscape on smoking will change! In 10 years time, smoking will be illegal!
and after tobacco falls, I am sure alcohol will be next - indeed, with all the "binge drinking" scaremongering that the government and press have whipped up, I think they have already started...... | |
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Posted: 3/26/2008 3:52:51 AM | | i smoke in the car with the kids in the car but it aint as bad as your making out scrummy i take it you have been in a car reacently if not have a look at one thay have thease things in them at the front back and sides there called windows and the best thing about this revolutionery inovation in car design is that you can open them thus letting the smoke out and fresh are in its amaizing and then once you have finisned your fag you put the window back up oh and my kids were coats in the car and i nave the aircon on so thay dont get cold for the min or 2 the window is open | |
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Posted: 3/26/2008 3:56:06 AM | | oh and before i forget what about people who smoke in there house who have kids you forgot to slag them off aswell i for one dont smolk in the house kids there or not i go out side and yes thats whatever the weather somthing you carnt do in a car | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/26/2008 4:00:39 AM | I work in the community and spend a whole shift in a patient's home. The family have to tell us beforehand if there are any smokers in the house and the nurses can refuse to go there if it is a problem for them. I can understand and fully agree with this but some people can use it as an excuse.
I have no problems with the family smoking but I don't allow it in the same room as the patient. It's a bit cheeky as it's THEIR home not mine but as a rule, they tend to smoke outdoors or in another room anyway. | |
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Posted: 3/26/2008 12:43:45 PM | i think its absolultley terrible that we cant smoke in public places wat are they gonna take away from us next its all these soft **stard snobs who complain get a life and worry about ur own problems instead of bloody smokers .
if thats the case they shud have smokers pubs/restaurants etc and non smoking so every1s happy  | |
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Posted: 3/26/2008 1:39:14 PM | i think its absolultley terrible that we cant smoke in public places
worry about ur own problems instead of bloody smokers
Yes, it is. Restricting freedom is never a good thing.
But the problem is that unfortunately your average smoker is a selfish sod - as shown by your flippant comment implying that your smoke is not a problem to non-smokers...
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/27/2008 3:48:30 AM |
oh and before i forget what about people who smoke in there house who have kids you forgot to slag them off aswell i for one dont smolk in the house kids there or not i go out side and yes thats whatever the weather somthing you carnt do in a car
I actually think it's very sad that a person can't go the length of a car journey without lighting up a cigarette, and regardless of windows/air con in the car you can't possibly be naive enough to think that your children aren't breathing any of that pollution into their small, pink healthy lungs, but as the last post suggests, most smokers are selfish so I don't suppose you would stop to think about the damage you are doing to your children. | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 9:20:16 AM | I am a non smoker and I am disspleased with the way the ban went.
In my opinion it should have been a licence rather than an outright ban. By alowing premices to purchase a licence alowing smoking on site if certain conditions are met (ventilation, seperate areas, ect) then the govenment could have made money from the licences and alowed smokers and non-smokers equal rights. As it is, smokers have had thier rights striped down to protect the non-smokers rights. | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/27/2008 9:33:49 AM |
I work in the community and spend a whole shift in a patient's home. The family have to tell us beforehand if there are any smokers in the house and the nurses can refuse to go there if it is a problem for them. I can understand and fully agree with this but some people can use it as an excuse.
I also work in the community and as a non smoker have to visit the homes of service users, sometimes having to spend more than 4 hours in their home. I do have a problem with spending this long in a clients home while they sit and chainsmoke, after every shift I have to go home and change every part of my clothing and wash my hair due to the smell. It may be their home but they require this service and should be respecting the right's of non smokers who are providing this service for them. Some people feel very very strongly about this and it's their right not to be subjected to tobacco smoke, so to say people use it as an excuse is very unfair. | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 12:14:46 PM | I also work in the community and as a non smoker have to visit the homes of service users, sometimes having to spend more than 4 hours in their home. I do have a problem with spending this long in a clients home while they sit and chainsmoke, after every shift I have to go home and change every part of my clothing and wash my hair due to the smell. It may be their home but they require this service and should be respecting the right's of non smokers who are providing this service for them.
it is THEIR home... it is up to them what they do in THEIR home.
if you dont like it dont go, as a previous poster said.
in this instance i think the rights of the individual to do what they want in THEIR own homes outweigh any others.
the problem with all of this is that it is peoples choice. and as soon as the govt (or anyone else for that matter) think they can decide what people want to do in THEIR OWN homes, there will be riots on the streets. | |
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