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Posted: 3/27/2008 12:23:26 PM | Yes it might be their home but it becomes the visiting healthcare professionals workplace too !!
Its a tricky one !! Yes, the homeowner has a right to smoke in their own home. But the worker has a right to work in comfort too.
Whats the answer ? Maybe only send smoking professionals to work in the homes of smokers ? | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/27/2008 12:29:11 PM | I am a non smoker and I am disspleased with the way the ban went.
In my opinion it should have been a licence rather than an outright ban. By alowing premices to purchase a licence alowing smoking on site if certain conditions are met (ventilation, seperate areas, ect) then the govenment could have made money from the licences and alowed smokers and non-smokers equal rights.
Yup, great idea, I'd agree with that. The problem being of course that, unless it was made prohibitively expensive, everyone would just buy a licence (and then moan about stealth taxes).
it is THEIR home... it is up to them what they do in THEIR home.
in this instance i think the rights of the individual to do what they want in THEIR own homes outweigh any others.
It is up to them what they do in their own home, there is nothing in the Smoking Ban that says otherwise.
During the visit of a health professional you are perfectly entitled to do as you please.
The "don't smoke during a visit" thing is just an idea thought up by a set of middle management idiots - who have nothing better to do with their time all day than think up stupid ways of alienating people - and is purely down to local healthcare policy.
However, that said, I do think it's more than fair though, that if someone does decide to be an arrogant, selfish fkwit, that a health professional should refuse to come.
Yes it might be their home but it becomes the visiting healthcare professionals workplace too !!
No it doesn't. The Smoking Ban does not cover home visits.
Taken from the official "Smoking Ban" website;
"The smokefree law does not apply to private dwellings and private residential spaces,
except for parts of dwellings used solely as a place of work by more than one person. "
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/27/2008 3:58:24 PM | 27 pubs a week are shutting because of the smoking ban.
Gala Bingo estimates over 10'000 job losses in the next year.
The Roofie Foundation (Date Rape Drug helpline) reports over 300% increase in calls.
Taxes going up on everything.
Even the Pipe Smoking Club (which is a couple of hundred years old) isn't allowed smoking on it's own premesis.
Yay the anti-smoking nazis! Well done. | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 4:02:48 PM |
The Roofie Foundation (Date Rape Drug helpline) reports over 300% increase in calls.
Date rate using drugs to stupify the victim has increased because of the smoking ban ??
Another WTF ? | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/28/2008 2:43:37 AM |
27 pubs a week are shutting because of the smoking ban.
Gala Bingo estimates over 10'000 job losses in the next year.
The Roofie Foundation (Date Rape Drug helpline) reports over 300% increase in calls. While you are at it, why don't you blame Global Warming to the ban on smoking as well?
As it is, smokers have had thier rights striped down to protect the non-smokers rights. Quite rightly too! One thing your arguement keeps ignoring is that smoking actually harms non-smakoers in the near vicinity. Would you allow a street performancer brandishing his knife through a crowd? Afterall, he is free to perform where he likes. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 6:27:07 AM |
Date rate using drugs to stupify the victim has increased because of the smoking ban ??
Exactly that - most bars don't allow drinks to be taken outside and predators have taken advantage of that to spike ladies' drinks when they have gone out for a smoke.
Try 'google' instead of 'WTF' in future  | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/28/2008 6:31:41 AM |
LOL - but WTF was my very first reaction :-) The two just seemed so impossible to link.
But now that you have explained, it does make sense. | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/28/2008 9:05:05 AM |
Quite rightly too! One thing your arguement keeps ignoring is that smoking actually harms non-smakoers in the near vicinity. Would you allow a street performancer brandishing his knife through a crowd? Afterall, he is free to perform where he likes.
Smoking actualy harms people. Guess what, so dose driving a car. and not just when you run over a pedestrian, but all the time. The fumes coming out of the exhast are still toxic, but no one is sugesting baning driving because of the dangers of smog.
Smokers cigerate smoke only affects a small area, so if you do not like the smoke, then move away from them. That is why I sugested a licence, where in any property permiting smoking on its premices would be required to cary health warnings on thie entrances. By entering the premices you are agreing to potentially be in the presence of cigerate smoke, in the exact same way that hospital x-ray departments carry health warnings to inform people of the dangers of radiation.
Denting someone the right to smoke is just the same as denying them the right to eat cookies or drink alcohol. They are both bad for your health and leave you with long term health problems. Alcohol also effect other people as you can claerly see in the city centre on a friday night, but denying someone that right goes against what we asume our basic freadoms to be and most people would never dream of striping that right from someone, so why is it ok to strip the rights of smokers to enjoy thier toxic habit?
As I sugested, a licence for premices would require warning sighns on the premices, and then those of us who do not care at all about pasive smoking would be free to work alongside our smoking colegues (without them getting stressed which is something I have noticed increasing since the ban) whilst those who do not want to be exposed to smoke would have a legal right to demand seperation from the smokers. thus no ones rights would be undult infringed. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 9:47:02 AM | I'm glad you saw the funny side of that comment Brian - it looked a bit harsh after I hit 'Reply'!!
Here's a part of an email I had recently...
Whether you are a smoker or non smoker you will have
noticed the social change in your life and it's just
not the same.
The atmosphere is just not there any more and
intentionally they have created a divide.
Choice is a freedom easily lost so signing this
petition to licence certain venues to allow smoking
indoors is being fair and British and not too much to
ask.
The Government website and the
petition
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/smokinglicenses/
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 3/28/2008 10:03:55 AM | | I wonder that if there were smoking and non smoking pubs which ones would be more popular? I know a few of my mates come out with us because they get pissed off of being left alone all the time. If its equal rights world then there should be the choice not just put up or put out. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 11:21:01 AM | i was in a bus stop yesterday, when did they put up you will get a £50 fine if your caught smoking in here , the government have gone mad
i dont smoke but come on its out doors | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 11:59:14 AM | Again i think people are missing the point ref the ban on smoking....especially in bars but also included in public areas...
It is not to deny the smoker..it is not to give oneupmanship on the non smoker...
Its for the staff...!!! Even if the staff smoke..its to protect the future and the present from any health claims etc....
The usual argument to this is that if you dont want to work there then dont (obv they then complain about ppl not working...). The other argument is that well only employ people who smoke...(again all well and good until someone makes a claim and it is prejudice about who can work in certain places!)
Im sure i havent explained this in the best possible way but ffs stop becoming a martyr and wooooe is me attitude. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 12:43:04 PM | | Still like jack dee's comment on being at school and the teacher showing a smokers lung and then a healthy persons lung, then said they cant be that healthy can they lol. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 8:00:02 PM |
i was in a bus stop yesterday, when did they put up you will get a £50 fine if your caught smoking in here , the government have gone mad
i dont smoke but come on its out doors
Have you ever stood in a bus stop where there are a few people smoking? It's not pleasant I can assure you. | |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 10:26:46 AM | As is often commented at work it is seen the smoking shelter filling up at regular intervals within the day ( Known as THE COUGH INN) - Non smokers have asked the boss on regular occasions when they are going to receive the extra 15 to 30 minutes a day break of their smoking co-workers. The boss tried to field the answers to no avail until he said that its worth it to keep them smoking since the company will pay less pension funds out in the long run!
It left a lot of people speechless. smokers and Non Smokers alike .We still dont know if he was joking. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2008 3:41:45 AM |
but come on its outdoors ...where are they gonna stop with this ???
Fair enough it's outdoors, but in an enclosed space like a bus stop you are taking away the rights of non smokers. The smokers can stand outside the bus stop and smoke away to their hearts are content, but they don't. I don't use public transport very often but on the few occasions I do i've actually had to leave a bus shelter and stand outside in the rain because of the selfish people who thought it was their god given right to light up and pollute the enclosed space regardless of peoples objections. | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 4/5/2008 3:49:36 AM | I love being able to go into a pub and breathe without feeling like im choking to death or coming home smelling like an ashtray :)
If smokers wont to smoke let them as long as i dont have to put up with the smell, its their lungs let them get on with it...... but the lady above that said about "BO, cheap perfume and cheesy farts" surely those smells are not reserved for the non smokers, or maybe its just that you cant smell it on yourself and your fellow smokers because of the ash smell permenantly emminating from you :) | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 1:10:52 PM | I dont get burnt when i go out for the evening dancing, as a smoker or non-smoker!...
(drunkeness-fags and dancing dont go together:-) | |
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Posted: 4/20/2008 1:04:47 PM | re global warming.. all the nicotine/smoke etc that was "trapped" in clothes,carpets,pub walls etc etc etc that now just gets released straight into the atmosphere very smart move 
smoking in cars... if your involved in an accident/seen lighting up and distracted from driving you can actually be prosecuted if found to be at fault.new laws/guidelines come into effect from the 1st of july concering smoking in cars
have a read hehe http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/legal-advice/smoking-and-driving.html
lets all stop smoking n see how much fuel goes up | |
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| Smoking Ban for Smokers to gloat about.
Posted: 4/27/2008 10:37:46 AM |
Guess what, so dose driving a car. and not just when you run over a pedestrian, but all the time. The fumes coming out of the exhast are still toxic, but no one is sugesting baning driving because of the dangers of smog.
It's about time we see that at least ONE person doesn't have is head in the sand.
On my way to work everyday, while driving a vehicle that gets 85 mpg(Honda Insight), the fumes from the 8mpg Big Horn pickups/other P.O.S. vehicles gags me. When do I get my say to BAN every vehicle that doesn't get over 50 mpg, that is being used for basic to/from work transportation? There is just no excuse for people to cry and complain about smoking, when they too, pollute MY LUNGS, with their selfish indulgences. This is just ONE reason, why I NEVER advocate banning such things, since it goes against any form of freedom. The ball is rolling now, and it's not likely to ever stop, even after they are monitoring your behavior INSIDE YOUR HOME!!!! | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 2:19:54 PM | johnconiston:
"The boss tried to field the answers to no avail until he said that its worth it to keep them smoking since the company will pay less pension funds out in the long run!"
Your boss wasn't lying. It's a fact that smokers die younger. It's also a fact that the tax on cigarettes contributes 5 times as much to the exchequer as is spent by the NHS treating smoke related diseases.
As smokers die younger they also tend to be less of a drain on the welfare state as they do not draw down thier full state pension.
I just find it hard to understand how you can legally buy something that you are legally banned from consuming in many places. I have never felt the need to stick one on someone because i have smoked too much,nor have i ever phoned in sick because the night before i smoked too much.
My smoking is likely to shorten my life and i accept that but phsycologically i am not damaging anyone unlike an alcoholic who's indulgence can have long reaching effects on many people and families. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 2:59:22 PM |
On my way to work everyday, while driving a vehicle that gets 85 mpg(Honda Insight), the fumes from the 8mpg Big Horn pickups/other P.O.S. vehicles gags me.
Its all relative really. No matter how frugal your mode of transport, there is always someone more frugal.
Someone driving a car delivering 90 mpg will see your vehicle as more polluting. And someone who goes on camping holidays in the UK will criticise the holidaymakers who fly off on jets pumping out TONS of CO2 !!
We could if we wanted to, stop ALL man made CO2 emmissions but we wont give up all the luxuries ! | |
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