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| is it sin to be a Wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 2:47:41 PM | in order to dismiss the Bible as, "corrupt" they must also dismiss Plato, Aristotle, Caesar, and Homer.
I don't dismiss the writings of these men, but that doesn't make me believe in their mythologies either. | |
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| is it sin to be a Wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 2:56:20 PM | Gosple's of Aradia.........Author "Aradia" Sometime around 1350 AD published in 1899 by Charles G. Leland
"The Gosple of Witches" | |
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| is it sin to be a Wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 2:57:30 PM | Miss Wiccan "In my reasoning I beleive the Bilbe to be a book written by men to controll men, and just for the record, how do you have ANY idea what the bible say's, there still finding screw up's in the translation? Who know's maby the bible dosent really say "thou shall not suffer a witch to live" mabey it say's To kill a witch is to kill one's soul...".
All we have is the remnants of texts that survive today, read my previous post. The bible has been the most controversial book of all time..Ever wonder why?...People hate what it says, and will do anything to discredit it... and they do this because the bible accuses mankind of being evil but they do not want to hear it
(John 3:19 KJV)...that light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. | |
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| is it sin to be a Wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 3:01:07 PM | | "Ever wonder why?" I must admitt I did till I came on this site, Im not in the dark as to why debated, Im just not prepared to call it the only way when I KNOW it's wrong. | |
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| is it sin to be a Wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 3:02:47 PM | So how do you know its wrong??
(John 14:6 KJV) Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me. If you had known me, you should have known my Father also: and from henceforth you know him, and have seen him.
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| is it sin to be a Wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 3:37:01 PM | | Well Never, because your "book" say's it's the only way....It's not, if that's wrong, then what else may be wrong? | |
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| is it sin to be a Wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 3:43:28 PM | Your are not being honest, the evidence for the bible is available if you look without prejudice..You claim the bible is untrustworthy..based on what?? Do you actually read anything for yourself other than the Wiccan stuff??
Manuscript Evidence for the New Testament
There are more than 24,000 partial and complete manuscript copies of the New Testament.
These manuscript copies are very ancient and they are available for inspection now.
There are also some 86,000 quotations from the early church fathers and several thousand Lectionaries (church-service books containing Scripture quotations used in the early centuries of Christianity).
Bottom line: the New Testament has an overwhelming amount of evidence supporting its reliability.
The Variants in the New Testament Manuscripts Are Minimal | |
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| is it sin to be a Wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 3:49:18 PM | I am being honest Never, now answer the question, if that's wrong....what else is wrong? | |
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| is it sin to be a Wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 3:56:17 PM | (Isa 55:8 KJV) For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
They used to call Jesus "The Way" at one time...for good reason..of course its not your way
(Mat 7:14 KJV) Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it.
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| is it sin to be a wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 4:08:25 PM | | In regaurd's to the question on message 276, will none of you touch this? | |
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| is it sin to be a wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 4:18:12 PM | | Then we have something in common, I beleive the same of your sacred beleif's... | |
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| is it sin to be a wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 5:05:51 PM | Wiccanenchantress why do you let them goad you into these pointless arguements. You obviously are very comfortable with your beliefs therefore you need not lower yourself or your Goddess.
You will never change them and they will never accept your Goddess and your beliefs. Through your posts you have changed from one who was at peace with her beliefs, now you are defending those very beliefs. Belive me they don't need defending and your wasting your time and energy on this. I would be hesitant to label all Christians as having the same arogant attitude of intolerance. Did not Pope John Paul II speak out and apologize for the indiscretions of the behaviour of the Church. This also included their approach to wiccans.
As for 267, it is very beautiful and grand. This is where your heart should be, not arguing with those who do not want to see. I wish I knew more about it and I will endevour to learn more. | |
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| is it sin to be a wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 5:15:04 PM | The truth causes all those who come against it to struggle:-
(1 Pet 2:6 KJV) Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believes on him shall not be confounded. To you who believe he is precious: but to them which are disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, | |
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| is it sin to be a wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 5:23:18 PM | 1st Never Id like to point out argueing with you never seem's to be much of a "struggle"
Secondly Jame's that was a really sweet thing to say, I am very comfortable where I am thank you for noticeing, however like alot of other pagan's, their preaching make's my mind go numb, and cuase my eye's to gloss over with sleep, and I bruise my lil head on the keyboard when I finally give out. *whisper's* I'd heard stories of how dull it can be but daaang!!
I suppose I do like to argue...mabey a little to much, my husband couldnt be happier, it keep's me from argueing with him...My intrest is not really in changeing Never's beleif's or anyone elses. You think I want the Pagan community blamming me for their convertion  Im kidding, all are welcome...
There's another thread here Ive found, "Wiccan's and Pagan's gimme that old time religion." You can read a few of those post's and look up the "Witches God" thread I explain a few misconception's there... | |
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| is it sin to be a wiccan?
Posted: 6/22/2005 6:40:37 PM | here we go again... after the different versions of the bible were written, and the church gained power by being absorbed into the roman empire, the clergy controlled the religion. it was no longer for the common people. very often only the clergy and the very rich could read and write, so the rest had to depend on the clergy to translate the bible for them. during and before the middle ages, there were literally hundreds of different versions of the bible. the church went around gathering up and destroying the versions that didn't follow its agenda. the ones that did conform were "modified" to suit the needs of anyone who happened to have power, or enough money. the common people were unaware of this for the most part, as they couldn't read, and they didn't have access to the scriptures because printing hadn't been invented yet. there weren't that many copies floating around. only the rich owned books, as they had to be copied by hand.
what this boils down to is that the people only knew what the church chose to tell them about their own religion. changes were made in the bible to justify many of the most egregeous atrocities in human history. king james made changes to justify his divorces.
then we have the deliberate mistranslations. i could go on for a while about that.
the above is why none of us give a shit what the bible says. if you are going to argue, you're going to have to come up with something better than that. oh yeah, i forgot. you don't have anything, do you?
baaa, baaaa. | |
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| is it sin to be a wiccan?
Posted: 6/25/2005 9:14:53 AM | Dear Dear folk,
Indeed you are all dear. I was researching a little about the lives of the original 12 apostles last night. John, the son of Zebedee also known as the beloved apostle and who wrote According to John the original name for the gospel of John, was in the latest years of his life in need of assistance just to come to the gatherings of the believers, would frequently say unto the assembled "Love ye one another" "Love each other". When he was asked why he always repeated himself, he said "That is enough." Surly he did not mean only love for each other is enough to be in the kingdom of heaven.
To my fellow believers in Christ, I would say after reading the websites of different Christian authors and of their wide disparity between beliefs and arguments, It is obvious that ignorance of "The Way" abounds. I Read one who would accept the literal meaning of this or that verse, but would not accept the literal interpretaion of that verse. Another would accept something else and exclude another when clearly they were of the same subject and agreed with each other. Upon their own pet interpretations they build their own doctrines and argue about petty differences extinguishing the light from within themselves.
It is no mystery to me that they would be confounded by their conciet thinking themselves to be wise and rich when they truly are naked and ignorant. It is not The printed word of god that speaks in the absence of the Holy Spirit that speaks to man. For if The Holy Spirit is not in the individual guiding The LOVE OF THE TRUTH, then there is no understanding. Many secular scholars have attempted to understand, but could not, because they had not. Wickedness and self righteousness abounds to the degree that it is almost impossible for those of us who have The spirit of the living savior within us, to show the way to the lost. Even so false prophet will rise up to decieve even if it were possible, the very elect (us).
Jesus Christ calls his lost servants to repentance. He directs his unrepented servants to find one of us, and we cross their paths in God's own time.
Those who are not his servants and are lost, will stay lost, regardless of how we preach to them, and pray for them. Jesus Said over and over again Hearing, they do not hear. Take heart then if you fail to convince someone here, or there, into believing. It is not us who calls them, but Jesus Christ himself.
But if you show LOVE, the uncommon kind of sacrificing love that "The Way" teaches, Jesus Christ will speak with your words and actions and draw men (and women) unto you.
It is THE SPIRIT of Jesus Christ that does the saving, not us.
To the rebellion, Jesus said "Behold, I stand at the door and knock, if any man opens the door and allows me to enter, I will come into him and sup with him, and him with me." | |
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| is it sin to be a wiccan?
Posted: 7/3/2005 9:12:04 AM | I cannot speak for any but myself, but what is there to feel?
Being pagan does not necessarily exclude you from being Christian and vice - versa.
The French have a wonderful expression that somes it up I feel - "Il y a des bonnes, et il y a des cons". With a slight *ahem* adjustment in the traslation this can be interpreted: No matter what race, nationality or belief everyone has their own fair share of good and bad people.
Jesus saw a world in which tolerance, patience and caring were key, and his dream was that all people would lived in love, peace and harmony. The parables of the Good Samaritan and the prodigal son showed this.
His vision is shared by many peoples. Does it really matter if the beliefs are different if the goal is the same?
How people interpret the devine within is an entirely personal journey; How they wish to internalise the concept of 'God'.
God was and is, unable to show his face to his believers for one simple reason alone, our meager brains would simply not begin to understand at what we were looking.
As far I am concerned - the pagan celebrations were celebrations of life - sharing the people's joy at their existence between themselves and with their God.
It was also very important for community and relationship building, a time to heal and let go the problems of the previous season whilst gearing themselves up for the season to come.
In the world in which we live - we need more of this sort of thing.
As for the few.... Well I don't need to do anything....
I you are a Christian and you believe someone is behaving unChristianly and that person is unrepentent, you believe that God will balance the books on Judgement day.
If you are pagan - you believe that that persons negative thoughts and behaviours will generate a lot of unhappiness in their lives as the consequences of these actions come back with a vengence. No need to wait for judgement day; that person could well be creating their very own hell on earth - feel sorry for them....
Cherish everything
jonathan | |
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| is it sin to be a wiccan?
Posted: 7/4/2005 8:07:23 AM | Poor Tjs finger's must be wraped in gauze by now, dang those posts are long, I dont even try to read em anymore, evidently nothing can ever be said that will show that his words have no meaning to me. I was born Pagan, I live Pagan, and like my ansesters I will die Pagan, and will be re-born Pagan. Oh well, let him talk, there his finger's I guess....
Nittany...Priceless dear, simply priceless, you have a gift, you are the ONLY person on these forums who can sum up an entire thread with 2 words.....Priceless!
Jonathan, Cherish everything indeed, very nicely said! 
~Love is the Law~ | |
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| is it sin to be a wiccan?
Posted: 7/9/2005 1:39:00 PM | Christians believe that we need god, not that he needs us. We like sheep have all gone astray.
Trying to prove that Mithra, or Diana is just as real as Jesus Christ, Fails because No one ever saw Mithra or Diana. Jesus was seen by eyewitnesses.
The transforming power of Jesus can affect anyone who knows him today.
The point of trying to prove that the bible is not true and that Jesus is not the son of god, only boils down to one thing, I must prove it to be false, because if it is true, then, I must submit to him.
If your soul and spirit is at stake, The evil one will stop at nothing to blaspheme God, and steal mankind's victory over sin and death through Jesus Christ.
It is not belief, or religion at stake, but your relationship with God.
There is no shame in Seeking God out of truth, but lying to yourself about your motives.
Seriously there is nothing so easy to believe in or desire, than To follow Jesus Christ. | |
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| Dianna and Her Temple
Posted: 7/9/2005 1:49:50 PM | Didnt Dianna have a temple where men worshiped her by haveing sex with Her Priestesses?
Thousands of men not only saw her but TOUCHED Her? Now thats a Religion one can sink their teeth into, so to speak!
Jesus so far has not appeared in any Roman History records, but they did find a brief record on Pontius Pilate. | |
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| Dianna and Her Temple
Posted: 7/10/2005 7:11:20 AM | | Verm, I suppose it's possible that this was something that happened, however I wonder if it would be possible that your thinking of Venus, or Aphrodite? These are the Greek and Roman versions of the same "sexual" aspect of the goddess, the Goddess has MANNYYYYY faces and some were VERY sexual, however Diana is a Virgin Goddess, this doesnt mean she never had sex, as at that time Virginity had a very diffrent meaning. | |
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| is it sin to be a wiccan?
Posted: 7/10/2005 7:20:43 AM |
Did not Pope John Paul II speak out and apologize for the indiscretions of the behaviour of the Church. This also included their approach to wiccans.
I dont believe he quoted wiccans in his apologizes..however, since it appears you respect this particular Christian, you should take a glimpse at some of the letters he wrote during his papacy attacking all forms of demonology... | |
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