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pbmac3
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Joined: 5/16/2007
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| Got a fake diamond ring from fiance, he lied and said it was a 3 carat, 30,000 dollar ring!
Posted: 7/11/2007 1:41:52 PM | Forum Wanderer said:
I think OP's point about tall, attractive etc., was pointing out that her friend was no dummy
right, because we all know that tall attractive women cannot be lacking in the brains department.........
Inkwell wrote:
Two ways. first, the insurance company will likely demand the appraisal so the issue of intent is removed. Second once the ring is given to you, it is your property. Someone elses mail or financial documents are not yours to snoop through.
The first part is most certainly true! However, the second part is not accurate!
In the United States, engagement rings are considered "conditional gifts" under the legal rules of property. This is an exception to the general rule that gifts cannot be revoked once properly given. See, for example, the case of Meyer v. Mitnick, 625 N.W.2d 136 (Michigan, 2001), whose ruling found the following reasoning persuasive: "the so-called 'modern trend' holds that because an engagement ring is an inherently conditional gift, once the engagement has been broken, the ring should be returned to the donor. Thus, the question of who broke the engagement and why, or who was 'at fault,' is irrelevant. This is the no-fault line of cases."
not that it really matters in this case! The guy is still a liar! | |
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| Got a fake diamond ring from fiance, he lied and said it was a 3 carat, 30,000 dollar ring!
Posted: 7/11/2007 2:23:19 PM | "to the men that gave a knee jerk reaction about this thread because of the price of the ring....let me ask this. Is it ok for a woman to fake an orgasm and lie to her husband and say he's wonderful? Is it ok for a woman to send out to a caterer and tell her husband she spent all day cooking his favourite dinner just for him? Is it ok for a woman to go shopping and spend 3 thousand dollars from your hard earned cash but tell you that it was only 300? Is it really just about the amount spent on the ring or the lie?"
Yes, yes, no. | |
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| Got a fake diamond ring from fiance, he lied and said it was a 3 carat, 30,000 dollar ring!
Posted: 7/11/2007 6:45:28 PM | OP, sounds like there are two situations at hand, and you've twisted them together. First of all, if this guy, your friend is dating is telling little white lies, that should be a sign that he is going to always make them, and that those little white lies can turn into much BIGGER ones. So in that sense, she should discuss this matter with him, and go on her way. I have been in this situation myself. Been lied to many times by my ex - and let me tell you, there is no good ending for this matter.
And for the second situation, I don't see why the price of the ring really matters. He bought her a diamond ring, that he claimed was a $30 000, ring. First off, who cares what the price of the ring was. If he is outright lying about it - then she should dump him, however, I do NOT believe she should have asked him how much he paid for it, nor she should NOT have had it appraised. That is so pathetic. He gave her the ring - the thought is what matters not the price tag. There is no excuse for him lying, however, your friend should not have put him on the spot to ask such a question.  | |
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| Got a fake diamond ring from fiance, he lied and said it was a 3 carat, 30,000 dollar ring!
Posted: 7/12/2007 10:24:58 AM | bluezzzz are you for real the issue aint the ring its the fake man behind the fake ring
why lie ..why is he an ex lawyer ...why is your friend allowing this jerk in her life ...far less her childs life ...why why why i dont get women we have no reason to settle but yet we do for jerks who lie cheat and steal
and bluezzzz its not the ring its the fact that there is no ring around his heart
my opinion is he is telling her up front hey im a liar cheat and con artist take it or leave it. ....girl you better leave it cause the divorce lawyer will cost you 30 grand and his girl will have the 30 grand engagement ring | |
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| Got a fake diamond ring from fiance, he lied and said it was a 3 carat, 30,000 dollar ring!
Posted: 7/12/2007 4:45:21 PM | "..., what does it say about your friend if the guy felt the need to lie about the rings worth,, love isnt about how much he spends on you its about how much he loves you !!!!!"
It's really quite incredible how many people just refuse to see the OBVIOUS point: The guy has a history of lying!!!! The ring and its cost are just symptoms of the problem; they are NOT "the problem."!!
Talk about 'fuzzy logic."!!  | |
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TJ_777
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Joined: 4/10/2006
Msg: 165 | |
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| Got a fake diamond ring from fiance, he lied and said it was a 3 carat, 30,000 dollar ring!
Posted: 7/15/2007 6:11:40 AM | You had me laughing, thanks for that post. 
Unfortunately, she is being mature and trying to salvage their relationship...! I don't know how, she can't tell if whatever spews out of his mouth is the truth or fantasy...how do you differentiate when he's such an accomplished fibber?
Maybe I should re-phrase the original post...how do you help somebody to open up their eyes and see all of the deceit...?
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| Got a fake diamond ring from fiance, he lied and said it was a 3 carat, 30,000 dollar ring!
Posted: 7/15/2007 8:40:22 AM | why do women think that these rich smart and successful suckers exist ????
this man ia a lawyer, and that should tell you he knows the law and how to break it with little or no regard for the individual or society
why do women think that these rich smart and successful suckers exist ????
this man ia a lawyer, and that should tell you he knows the law and how to break it with little or no regard for the individual or society | |
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| Got a fake diamond ring from fiance, he lied and said it was a 3 carat, 30,000 dollar ring!
Posted: 7/16/2007 6:57:45 AM | | She's clueless, NAB. My guess is this guy "does it for her" physically, and she's not going to entertain any common sense until this relationship hits "rock bottom". She'll just rationalize anything that they guy does wrong, and play up everything he does right. She's hopeless as far as her abilities go toward forming solid successful relationships. | |
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| Got a fake diamond ring from fiance, he lied and said it was a 3 carat, 30,000 dollar ring!
Posted: 7/16/2007 8:44:02 AM | nurseangelbaby:
You need to leave your friend alone. Your too involved. If she needs you she'll call and be a friend if she does, thats your job as a friend. She obviously has accepted this man for better or for worse and you have not. Maybe just maybe she sees a part of him you don't. And It might just be something she can't live without. If your not careful you might just lose a friend.. | |
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| Got a fake diamond ring from fiance, he lied and said it was a 3 carat, 30,000 dollar ring!
Posted: 7/16/2007 9:14:50 AM |
He gave her the ring, and she showed it off to all of her family, friends, clients, and colleagues....when she went to get it appraised, the truth was exposed....it was just glass, he had removed the original stone and sold it many years ago (so he says). I feel outraged, disappointed, and humiliated for her. It wasn't just that the diamond is a fake, it's the total dishonesty. What kind of person does such a thing, and why? {/quote]
Off with his head!!! No, seriously she should end it with him. Not because it was a fake diamond with his knowledge of it but the fact that he is not being truthful with her. There is no need in lying to someone and especially trying to impress her with materialistic things. The very basis of a relationship has been compromised and she is now surely not finding him trustworthy. Time to move on to someone that is right for her and not someone who obviously will continue to decieve her. | |
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| Got a fake diamond ring from fiance, he lied and said it was a 3 carat, 30,000 dollar ring!
Posted: 7/16/2007 2:46:13 PM | First of all....$30,000 for only a 3 k diamond, there's a warning signal not to mention the warnings before hand with the other lies they had to work through. Is she sure he's even a lawyer? And why did he feel the need to tell her what he paid for it? He already gave her reason from his previous lies to question his honesty. What else has he lied to her about? If he didn't lie to her before then she wouldn't have questioned his so-called honesty on the price of the ring by having it appraised. He sounds like a player and a pathological liar.... | |
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