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Posted: 7/29/2007 2:44:21 AM |
.the Geneva convention states that they can be held (albeit humanely) as long as the conflict may last!...it would be crazy to give them the same rights as a civilian law-breaker!
If the prisoners were given their rights under the Geneva Convention in the first place, then there would be no scandal and no need for this thread
Until found guilty, aren't they innocent people are we torturing, beating and removing from their families?
No, they are prisoners of war. This issue should not be if this prison should be shut down or not, the answer to that is a resounding NO, the issue should be why arent these prisoners getting treated like POW's under the Geneva Convention. They should be held indefinatley, until the conflict ends, or until A lQueda and the Taliban want to do a Prisoner Exchange, this is a normal thing in war
You know that's illegal right?
........yeah, so is hi-jacking airlines and crashing them into the WTC and killing several thousand pple!
And so is lieing to your whole country, invading a sovereign nation with no good reason why, ignoring the UN, torturing prisoners, bombing sovereign nations you are NOT at war with and all the other stuff that created the Terrorists in the first place...If I was them, I would have done it too. I cant afford a cruise Missile, but a hijacked jetliner full of fuel will do just as good if not better
its obvious you know little about christianity, so there is little point in you playing the 'christian' card..........i always find it amusing when non-christians try to tell christians how to think or react based on how they (non-believers) think the christians ought to act!
I was raised Christian, I have read the bible...apparently you right wingers read the old testament and stopped...there is a whole other half the that book man! apparently we are supposed to turn the other cheek. This real cool guy, that comes into play in the new Testament, named Jesus Christ...or somethin I cant remember...He sais that if we want to be forgiven, we must forgive those who trespass against us. He sais that he who is without sin may cast the fist stone. Did you skip that part in Bible School???
NerdStatus, what the heck are you talking about...that isnt even CLOSE to Socialism...or even Communism...It IS Imperialism. It IS Barbarism. It's even loosely Monarchism. But Socialism...Marx would turn over in his grave! Great Ideas that man...Too Bad that Human Begins cant handle the Responsibility of caring for their own kind | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 6:20:09 AM | " as saying that Bush wants to close Gitmo as detainee center..."
It's doesn't mean not to keep it as Naval Base in the Caribbean area for a bridge to Central and South America. Just in case, if needed, to go back to Granada, Panama, Chile or why not... the same Cuba or Venezuela.
"... announced plans... the very week that Al-Qaeda cells were planning a bomb in the UK."
That are the news given to the public.
To be read between the lines is that because the threat is still existent is justified the transfer of those funding to another prison were those enemies will be sent and kept indefinitely.
The bad image of Gitmo will go away with time focusing the attention in the new place, that of course, we will know about it because info was 'leaked' to the press. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 10:38:46 PM | @ Jameslaz
If the prisoners were given their rights under the Geneva Convention in the first place, then there would be no scandal and no need for this thread
.......i'm not saying that Gitmo was run perfectly.......but to go from 1 extreme to the other and simplistically say that it should be shut down as a detention camp is outrageously ridiculous given the quality of information extracted that could not have been obtained any other way.
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If I was them, I would have done it too. I cant afford a cruise Missile, but a hijacked jetliner full of fuel will do just as good if not better
.......Oh you would do it too?........on what premise may i ask?.......just what prompted President Bill Clinton in ordering a cruise missile attack on OBL's head-quarters......did Clinton do it because he felt like it or he do IN RESPONSE to a terror attack (embassy bombings in Africa)!...thus are you insinuating that Al-qaeda was JUSTIFIED in hi-jacking airplanes and crashing them into the WTC because of Clinton's retaliatory act??? ....then i am to assume you are saying that the US should not have struck back (turn the other cheek?).
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I was raised Christian, I have read the bible..
.........Oh really?.....then why is that you put "other religion" in your POF profile?....why don't you speak of your "christian" influence in your essay?
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apparently we are supposed to turn the other cheek.
........is that so!....is that why you said: " If I was them I would have done it too!"....this is a BEAUTIFUL double standard here if i ever heard one!......the USA is supposed to "turn the other cheek"........yet you advocate for retaliation!.......Hmmmm!
I know this is straying a bit off the topic, BUT :
1)do you you know who Jesus was speaking to and in what context he made that statement?
2) since you "have read the Bible" i'm sure you familiar with Jesus' parable of the 10 minas in Luke 19;11-27 right?
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This real cool guy, that comes into play in the new Testament, named Jesus Christ...or somethin I cant remember...He sais that if we want to be forgiven, we must forgive those who trespass against us. He sais that he who is without sin may cast the fist stone.
........Did Jesus forgive the pharasees?....why don't you "re-read" the NT gospels and see what 'choice' words JC had for them, and what was to be in store for them!!!..and did he forgive Judas for that matter?.
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Did you skip that part in Bible School???
......i seriously doubt that you and i are reading the same Bible!
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But Socialism...Marx would turn over in his grave! Great Ideas that man...
........Great ideas indeed!......maybe you should take a holiday trip to N. Korea and Cuba and look at the remnants of what he inspired! | |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 3:40:02 AM | ahhh ok
*cracks fingrs*
I dont think GITMO shoud be shut down...there is nothign better, I think that the residents of Gitmo should be classified as POW's and not Terrorists
Yes, i would do it too...if you invaded Canada, and destroyed out army and left me with no choice but to resort to gurellia tactics, I would make it my lifes mission to make american soldiers wish they could servein IRAQ...you seem to have a lofty view of the moral authority of a nation that justifys droping nuclear weapons as an act of war, but cannot see any potential justification for useing the poor mans equivilent to a cruise mistle to attack the nation that is covertly controling your country...Besides, Bush had more to do with the planning and execution of 9/11 than Binladen did anyways!
I have read the bible, I was raised Christian...dosen't mean I believe it My personal Beliefs are not for this thread, however I would be happy to dicuss them with you in the religous forums...
Did Jesus for give the Phaaries...he offered then the chance to be forgiven...
Carl Mark would sh** a brick if he saw what Lennin, Stalin and the rest of the Communist DEVILS have done to his idea. On paper Communisum is perfect...Its human Beings that fu*k it up...and BTW at least in Cuba peopla arent turned away from hospitals for not having gold plated insurance...infact they have one of the best health care systems in the hemisphere...Google CBC The Fith Estate, and look for their documentary on Cubas Health Care System if you dont believe me
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Posted: 8/1/2007 3:48:07 AM | oh yeah, and one more thing...when its America doing the bombing, Finintial nerve Centers and Military Headquarters are valid Military Targets...then again, like I said the Bush administration planned and pupotrated the events of 9/11. There is overwhelming evidenc to support this, which I have already posted in another forum, "bush will spend...on the war in iraq, but fund healthcareNO WAY"
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Posted: 8/1/2007 8:03:10 PM | ^
I think that the residents of Gitmo should be classified as POW's and not Terrorists
........the designation of POW goes to any captured soldier who is a citizen or representative of a recognized sovereign state or government who has used their military to engage in warfare!......a good example of this would be: captured WW-2 german and Japanese soldiers as well as captured Iraqi soldiers of the Sadam regime.......the detainees are neither represent any particular state nor are their leaders recognized heads of their respective states!........they are therefore 'unlawfal' or unsanctioned enemy combatants (aka: terrorists) who are not worthy of POW designation.......many such combatants in Iraq are foreign (non-iraqi) militants who are taking up armed struggle under the aegis of al-qaeda....an organization that does not represent the wishes of any officially recognized Islamic country!
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Bush had more to do with the planning and execution of 9/11 than Binladen did anyways!
.....its quite obvious by your statement that any further attempt on my part to evoke an intelligent discourse will be completely in vain!!!........thus i will cut my reply to a few brief sentences!
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I have read the bible, I was raised Christian...dosen't mean I believe it
..........okay-dokay then!!!........but let me just sum it up so i get it straight!.....1)you were raised christian ...2) you read (your version of) the bible ...3) you described Jesus as a "cool guy"...who (as you seem to think) tells us to 'turn the other cheek' and never retaliate...YET you obviously don't follow that.. nor should the enemies of my country!
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I would be happy to dicuss them with you in the religous forums
........no need to waste my time with you on the religious threads .......your 'belief' is quite intuitable to me!
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Did Jesus for give the Phaaries...he offered then the chance to be forgiven...
........okay thats fine by me, so i'll offer them the chance!!!.........when bin-laden & al-qaeda lay down their arms, halt their aggression ....and then genuinely ask to be forgiven,.......then as a christian i will forgive them!
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On paper Communisum is perfect..
 .........perfect?........so is a 'cubic' zirconium stone, but how many women would prefer it over a naturally flawed diamond!!!
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BTW at least in Cuba peopla arent turned away from hospitals for not having gold plated insurance.
..........well then maybe you better inform the Canadian public about this, ....at least to all the MANY 'well-to-do' canadians who stream across the US border into our hospitals for 'elective surgery' that they would otherwise have to wait an eternity to get done through your system!........i'm sure these fine Canadians will be jumping into the first airplane down to Havana once they hear your message!
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Just 1 more thing before i depart.......at the end of your essay you wrote "honor our soldiers and support our troops"
.......i would think you are talking about your Canadian Troops right?....specifically, those who are serving in places like Afghanistan right?...........well if so, then who do you think their opponents are there if its not al-qaeda or Taliban?........what do you think al-qaeda would do to a canadian soldier if captured by them?................Yet these are the same group of pple who you sympathize with!!........This is some hell of a way of "honoring" your own troops isn't it!!!! | |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 10:07:38 PM | in renverse order now
I honour my troops, all troops that are over there, INCLUDING the enemies of the bush administration as vrave souls that fight for what they believe in, I do not buy into the argument that to support the troops, you have to support the mission, nor do I buy into Bush' s with us or against us rhetoric
Yes, there is a wait time issue in Canada for some surgeries...like you said ELECTIVE surgery...boob jobs, tummy tucks, face lifts and other procedures prescribed by Dr Vain Society. We even have a (less serious) wait time problem up here for regular procedures. Such is the cost of of a system where people are treated based on how bad they need it, not how good their insurance plan is...if we cut half our citizens out of line cause they were pootr, we wouldnt have the wait time problem...just a problem being decent human beings
I already said that Communism coed not work in the real world. On paper the idea of all people being equal, from the prisedent, to the janitor IS perfect. That sentiment is in YOUR constitution. The main problem that most westeriners have with communism is how much control the government has in ones life...it wold b emine too, no dobt...Cant trust humans, if we had a truly benovelant dictator though...
Im pretty sure that if America stoped ****ing with middle east politics and trying to control the whole reigon, that AlQuade would not have aproblem with America
as is todays interpritation of religon to me
Jesus WAS a real cool guy, on of the coolest, and I do routinley turn the other cheek...but i've only got 4. Nnow I also try to learn as much as I can about Mohammed, about Buddah about Hinduism and everything else too, because I believe thats what God wants me to do, Learn as much as I can about all religons and make an inteligent decision on what to believe based on all available informatiion
Perhaps we will never see eye to eye on the causes of 9/11 I can deal with not dicussing that with you again if you dont want to, fact is there is alot of evidence to support a so-called conspiracy, but my faverouiye is this: Binladen, his friends, and all those around him stand to gain NOTHING from 9/11. MBush, his friends and those around him have mads TRILLIONS of dollars since 9/11
the designation POW is self explanitory. Prisoner Of War. It's very east to call ones enemies Criminals. The Nazi's did it, Stalinists did it, Lennists did it, the North Koreans do it....why not America too? The old definations of nations and what constitutes a legitimate war no longer apply in the Middle east. ALQyeda DOES reprisent the view of several Nations in that reigon, just no governments...as to Does Hesbollah and Hamas...oh wait Hamas IS a government...I guess they are still criminals too though right? Not worth of the designation POW??
Were the members of la resistance WORTHY of the designation POW when they rebeled agains the Nazis? How about Bin Laden (when he was fighting the Soviets) was he wothhy of that distinction then? How about another group of violent rebels, that pushed the British north over the 49th Paralell in the 1770's. They wernt represiting a recognised government either....were THEY worthy of the disignation POW?? | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 4:36:28 AM | | I do enjoy our little discussions some1real , you are fun to debate with! To clairify my first comment in my last post, yes I do support all troops that are over there....enemy and allied alike. I support anyone with the courage to step up and fight for what they believe in....this does not mean I agree with any of them, just that I think all soldiers, allied or not are worthy of respect...weather of not they are commonly given the distinction of "soldier" | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 10:29:08 PM | Aww you done debating with me sum1reel??? Couldnt we just go fishin together, split a case of bud and talk some more
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Posted: 8/4/2007 12:01:32 PM | ^
you done debating with me
......sorry dude!.....i am!.........you are not ready to dance in the big leagues yet!......maybe if you gain enuff wisdom to able to defend your positions coherently with pertinence then maybe you can graduate up.
.....the key is not to allow yourself to be brain-washed by either the left or the right!... you are a bit too young to lock yourself inside a box!
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Posted: 8/7/2009 6:06:17 PM | Who thinks were actually gonna close it down come the start of 2010 like President Obama promised?
Hopefully it gets closed down. But it would not surprise me if it stays open past the promised closure date.
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