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Posted: 12/28/2007 12:35:35 AM | The message that I have received (and others have received, too) is that if you have a higher standard of morals and are not afraid to voice them, you are not tolerated and will be deleted.
No such Criterias for Thread Deletions.
Had you read this Thread as well as the Links posted by Moderators you would have found your Solution to prevent having your Thread deleted.
People who call women "douche..." (my name is daisypetals and he called me douchepetal in a forum that I was in) would never be tolerated in any other decent forum or site, or for that matter in any publication at all. He is still on this site in the forums making his bad taste remarks.
File a Report in the Thread referred to below or e-mail any of the Moderators
This is why I am looking straight at the moderators and the admin. to do something
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Posted: 12/28/2007 2:55:42 AM | Iv had a perfectly good thread deleted.. The reason? Apparently my responses to the posters gave the same message on both threads.. This means I am consistent in how I deal with things.. I am currently training as a counselor. My advice in many cases is to First look to the self to find if their own lives form a regular pattern.. This always forms a good basis to counseling..Blame is prevalent in many relationships.. The questions asked on both threads were NOT the same. One thread was regarding people that remain within painful relationships.. The other was about emotionally evolved relationships.. So whilst my message remains the same on both threads.. Both threads were in fact asking completely different questions.. The thing I am getting at here is, whilst I appreciate the moderators have the final word.. If there is a complaint made about a thread, before deleting it along with some very valid points form many pof forum posters, wouldn't it be better to first mail the op. and state why the thread is being threatened with deletion.. It would save a whole lot of mistakes being made. Surely a moderator in many cases should also be a mediator.. Not an executioner wielding his trusty finger over the delete button without explanation?
I wish everyone a wonderful New year ahead..
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 12/28/2007 3:17:48 AM | If there is a complaint made about a thread, before deleting it along with some very valid points form many pof forum posters, wouldn't it be better to first mail the op. and state why the thread is being threatened with deletion..
Until the Admin decides to implement a Feature to checkmark a Reason for Thread Deletions, you won't be getting any Feedback. The Reasons are covered in the Links below.
Surely a moderator in many cases should also be a mediator.. Not an executioner wielding his trusty finger over the delete button without explanation?
That's neither feasible nor possible. Read entire Thread for the Links below in full, as they have already been posted on the previous Page of this Thread.
80% of new Threads are redundant, and those who continuously make new Threads without searching for existing ones on the same Topic will now have their Privileges to create New Threads revoked. There are no Resources for a Mediation Bureaucracy for Laziness or lack of due Care either.
Its your Responsibility to ensure that your Thread meets the Criterias laid out in the Forum Rules and Posting Guidelines. File Reports on those Posters who make Off-Topic Replies, Chat or otherwise Troll up your Thread to Kingdom Come.
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| Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 12/28/2007 4:08:05 PM | I don't think the community should be able to delete threads through voting except in one case. The threads that are not appropriate would just fizzle out anyways. If a thread is hurtful to another party, the community should be able to delete it.
The reasons the community is now using to delete threads - pity, redundant, trolling and so on, are reasons that can be used with great subjectivity.
I am not as sure as you are that so many threads are redundant. If you look carefully at threads which on first glance seem redundant, you can see differences. | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 5:02:19 PM | I don't think the community should be able to delete threads through voting except in one case.
Best Thing to have hit Dodge in a long Time. Takes so much Workload off the Mods, and now that those Members of the Community who vote off perfectly good Threads and approve Troll Material can have their Voting Privileges revoked, its hitting the Mark far better than ever.
The threads that are not appropriate would just fizzle out anyways.
Fizzle Out?
As in remaining on Site rendering the Search Functions useless?
That's not gonna Work. This is a Forum, not a Chatroom.
The reasons the community is now using to delete threads - pity, redundant, trolling and so on, are reasons that can be used with great subjectivity.
The Criterias for Thread Deletion are indicated on the Voting Dialog Box.
Further, the Forum Rules and Posting Guidelines are constantly being posted and referred to so you too can hit the Target Dead on its Mark.
I am not as sure as you are that so many threads are redundant.
Learn how to Search as shown in the Link below.
It has little do to with not being "sure" of anything.
If you look carefully at threads which on first glance seem redundant, you can see differences.
You may want to go beyond a "First Glance" before you make any New Thread.
And that's what this is all about, to put an End to these "Dilettante" Attitudes and start getting serious about what Kinds of Threads you are going to make.
Otherwise it will be your Loss, as you will be the one losing the Privilege to make new Threads.
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Posted: 12/29/2007 9:28:35 AM | | When threads get to be 10 or more pages long, it's very time consuming to read through them to see if your take on the subject has been covered. I'm on a dialup and although your site seems to load faster then others, it still takes a long time. Should I just skip to the end and post a reply? | |
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Posted: 12/29/2007 9:32:34 AM | ^^^technically speaking, although some threads go for a long walk around the mulberry bush and over the covered bridge and down the boulevard of broken dreams and back again, your own post is supposed to address the OP's opening post.
In other words, your post should address the subject and fit right in as the number 2 post regardless of what ditch the thread is headed towards or just coming back out of. So even if your own post has little to do with how the direction of the thread has taken, you're still posting correctly by answering the OP's opening post. | |
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Posted: 12/29/2007 11:07:26 AM |
Should I just skip to the end and post a reply?
No. As the other user has pointed out, your comment should be on topic. The idea of searching for a thread topic is that all those pages of discussion will hopefully address your questions on the topic or contain comment on the topic with information similar to your point of view. If they don't but the ideas that support your view are being discussed, then you are free to offer your point of view.
It is a thin line in some situations. A thread that basically asks a question will have answers from many people according to their views but a thread whose topic is more a broach of the topic will likely become a debate (in the good sense) and in that discussion, one or more users can be quite on topic by posing an alternative argument (again in the good sense). You would still be on topic if you offered your own view a year later.
This is covered in the rules explanations. Ideally, your post would fit as the second message in the thread and be on-topic but that second message could very well be of the sort that respectfully offers an opposing viewpoint to what the original poster has written. Whether tis nobler to read all the thread to avoid posting a viewpoint that has already been expressed in the thread is a matter of just being proper as that same viewpoint might have produced many replies and it would be rather unproductive to go through the same debate once more with different participants .
I believe that many people misunderstand the sheer fact that a thread ceases to be "their thread" as soon as it is posted. Nobody owns the thread. While it is true some threads are asking for advice on a matter personal to the OP, the discussion can still address that general idea and others may respond to those ideas as long as the discussion stays on the original topic.
An example... Say the thread states that the person has broken an arm and wonders how long his arm must remain in the sling. People may tell how they have had similar experiences and how long their arms were in the sling. Another person might make a remark about how the OP should ask the doctor for that advice.
That is all proper. A year goes by and a person might open the thread again and state that they have learned of a new procedure for bandaging a broken arm that allows the arm to be slung for a much shorter time. That could change the discussion to that procedure but it will still be about broken arms in slings. It does not have to remain a discussion just about the OP's arm as an individual.
You will see people shy away from a thread where the thread starter and the participants are no longer members. That is not a reason to start a new thread as the threads are about topics and not about the people as individuals. | |
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Posted: 1/11/2008 7:41:03 PM | Is there any place I can look as to why a thread was deleted not my thread.
And also I would like to know.Why would a post get deleted in Religion that only had what I myself had seen,and belief based on book chapter and verse. It attacked no one said no one was wrong. I also had a mans name coensored out of a post hey his mama named him d!@k I'm going to call him. | |
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| FORUMS: Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 6/28/2008 10:09:40 PM | ...sorry I was a moderator before and realize that there are alot of people that delete for their own purposes and not for the good of the community or like the power of hitting that deletion button
Please I would like a real answer instead of the usual..."read the rules and regulations"..
Agreed totally... There's valid discussion subject(s) that are knocked off easily, by a small # of members ...
it's like a private supreme court system.
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| FORUMS: Thread Deletions..not the usual question
Posted: 6/28/2008 10:20:17 PM |
. and realize that there are alot of people that delete for their own purposes and not for the good of the community or like the power of hitting that deletion button
there are measures in place to stop the trigger happy odd un-schooled poster out there.
...sorry I was a moderator before
Please I would like a real answer instead of the usual..."read the rules and regulations"..
well, wherever you were a moderator before, I would assume there were rules posted there as well, hence, any real answers you are going to get for an unspecific and broad question as you pose, or for that matter, even if it was specific, will all be found at the top of every forum in the link right next to Acceptable Use & Posting Rules.
As well, read the links provided by the other Moderator in this thread - they're very real and very succinct.
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Posted: 6/28/2008 11:57:50 PM | The Criterias for Thread Deletion are indicated on the Voting Dialog Box.
Further, the Forum Rules and Posting Guidelines are constantly being posted and referred to so you too can hit the Target Dead on its Mark.
Hello... subjectivity is the key word here....
The what's Ur beef box, still doesn't protect good threads...
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Posted: 6/29/2008 12:22:09 AM | This is my concern, too. I had a lot of positive feedback from people regarding my posts and the forums that I was posting in. Now I am somewhere in cyberspace because some people didn't like what I had to say. A slice of a certain community decided I was to be deleted. Which brings me to think that this is a very scary site that allows this to happen. The message that I have received (and others have received, too) is that if you have a higher standard of morals and are not afraid to voice them, you are not tolerated and will be deleted.
Too much subjectivity & not enough objectivity; great point... daisy petal...
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Posted: 6/29/2008 9:06:54 AM | Please I would like a real answer instead of the usual..."read the rules and regulations"..
That is what you would be referred to if there were any.
Hello... subjectivity is the key word here....
That is the Process of Interpretation involved between the OP and the Label or Assessment of that Post. Where this Subjectivity bears no Relation on the 2, that User won't be voting on any more Threads.
The what's Ur beef box, still doesn't protect good threads...
Its in a continual State toward Perfection if such a Thing even exists.
This is my concern, too. I had a lot of positive feedback from people regarding my posts and the forums that I was posting in. Now I am somewhere in cyberspace because some people didn't like what I had to say. A slice of a certain community decided I was to be deleted. Which brings me to think that this is a very scary site that allows this to happen.
So the next Step for you is to become familiar with the Forum Rules and Posting Guidelines and search for existing Threads on your Topic of Choice. The Scariness lies entirely with you, and of Course, the occasional bad Votes. This, as well as Moderator Review is the System used to qualify Threads suitable for these Forums.
The message that I have received (and others have received, too) is that if you have a higher standard of morals and are not afraid to voice them, you are not tolerated and will be deleted.
Message? What Kind of Message? Voices speak to you, some Line some disgruntled Troll peddled off on you because he don't want to read or understand the Rules either? Your concept of "higher standard of morals" are not necesarily shared by us either, since it is in part ... a subjective Thing.
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Posted: 6/29/2008 9:24:48 AM | To PoF
I was posting to a thread this morning (Why do men fall asleep after sex?), got finished writing what I wanted to say and pressed "POST" except, nothing happened. No post. I checked the topics. It was gone. Checked my profile to see if the post was there - nope. Searched all forums for the thread - nothing under that topic. My obvious conclusion after double checking my system for possible malfunction was that The Thread: Why do men fall asleep after sex? had been deleted while I was writing my post.
It would be nice if there was prior warning.
So, I hope here, I'm not posting to a thread that's about to be deleted!. PLEASE -- PoF ADMIN can you PLEASE warn that you're about to delete a thread. A message wouldn't hurt. Something along the line of "Thread about to be deleted, Go here for reason."
IF YOU DON'T SAY SOMETHING, THE POOR POSTER WILL BE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THEIR COMPUTER IS MALFUNCTIONING!!!
Just a friendly suggestion.
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Posted: 6/29/2008 10:19:36 AM | I was posting to a thread this morning (Why do men fall asleep after sex?), got finished writing what I wanted to say and pressed "POST" except, nothing happened.
PLEASE -- PoF ADMIN can you PLEASE warn that you're about to delete a thread. A message wouldn't hurt. Something along the line of "Thread about to be deleted, Go here for reason."
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Posted: 1/28/2010 9:21:11 AM | I posted a thread for the first time! Looking at FAQ...
I do not see an answer so trying here
The subject was on hot-looking men over 45!
and it started a fun thread and now I can't find it.
Wondering how would a new OP could/would know her thread got deleted
as I'm guessing it was... or if it was about to be deleted..or even how it was mod..or voted out.....or I did unknowingly commit a forum faux pas?
I'm a novice. It was only a 24 hour old thread..lol
I'm puzzled...at what is allowed to stay and what does not
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Posted: 1/28/2010 1:59:06 PM | i take it you mean this thread?
Hot-Lokin Guys over 45-50 who look 20 years younger....only
if you go here
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/deletedthreads.aspx
you will see all the deleted threads.
your is on the 1st page, at the moment, and was deleted by a moderator. why? it doesn't say. but, given that title, i'd say it's because it was REDUNDANT. in the alternative, the word "only" suggests that you were asking for only ladies to participate? POLARIZED threads are not allowed.
if you are a novice, two pieces of advice:
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Posted: 3/29/2010 4:48:55 AM | | why not make part of the voting to remove a thread process that the voter has to explain why they are wanting the thread removed? then this feedback could be given to the poster. and in the case there the thread is valid, repeat offenders removing threads for non bvalid reasons would be easily identified when the reason they state isnt apparent in the thread. and it might stop some of the people who just vote to remove anything that isnt posted by one of their online 'clique' | |
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Posted: 3/29/2010 8:07:03 PM | Moderators constantly monitor thread voting. And anyone showing a pattern of voting incorrectly loses their voting rights. That is for BOTH voting to delete or voting to save. Trust me people lose their voting rights on this board every single day.
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Posted: 3/29/2010 9:30:02 PM |
why not make part of the voting to remove a thread process that the voter has to explain why they are wanting the thread removed?
There is already, to some extent. You will see the following when new threads are started in specific forums where voting is available. If the OP doesn't stick around to see what transpires, and doesn't know, then they should be aware of what potentials could possibly lie ahead for a thread.
If this thread is spam, a self pity thread, or any other type of
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and in the case there the thread is valid, repeat offenders removing threads for non bvalid reasons would be easily identified when the reason they state isnt apparent in the thread. and it might stop some of the people who just vote to remove anything that isnt posted by one of their online 'clique'
We have monitoring in place for that already.
Read the entire thread thoroughly, the subject has gone through the wringer.
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