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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 11/21/2007 12:23:33 PM | "As of this pass weekend I spoke to a friend of mine. She had a POF profile on this system. She is a caucasian woman. Her preference was men of color. She received so many hate emails from black woman that she removed herself from the system.
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 11/21/2007 12:27:08 PM | | Jordan Mardan, you would be SURPRISED at some of the things that I have heard come out of the mouths of "upper class white men and women" if they have had a few drinks too many.....ESPECIALLY about subjects such as interracial relationships, religion, politics, etc........... | |
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 11/21/2007 1:36:59 PM | :Jordan Mardan, you would be SURPRISED at some of the things that I have heard come out of the mouths of "upper class white men and women" if they have had a few drinks too many.....ESPECIALLY about subjects such as interracial relationships, religion, politics, etc..........."
Jordan: No, I wouldn't because.....when whites are angry, excited, or drunk.....their inhibitions are lowered and they lose control...spewing out their hatred.
My words refer to their normal or sober behavior.
Getting drunk may be a norm, but that state of mind occurs less frequently than being sober.
Dan Issel, Michael Richards, Dogg the Bounty Hunter, Mel Gibson, etc.....have all spewed forth racial slurs while angry....they lost control....not their normal pattern of behavior...but obviously these terms were in their brains...no matter how much they try to deny it.
I work in a mental hospital PT, and there's 2 people (both elderly white males) that spew forth racial terms.
One has an inoperable brain tumor. He's a very nice guy most of the times, but when he has a psychotic epsiode...whew.....he can spew with the best of them.
[he also claims to be Black at times :>) ]
The other one engages in this type of behavior ALL THE TIME.
He's about 70 or so. I haven't read his file yet, but of the last 8 tmes I worked on his unit, he always said something racist to other Black workers or myself.
I don't have a baseline to compare his behavior to, but talks with co-workers verify that this is his norm.
Hence, I often seek to determine "what is a person's norm" in these types of situations.
Is it there and waiting to be released by anger, excitedness, drunkenness, or loss of mental capacities?!
I believe that's why whites place such great emphasis on controlling their emotions.
Remember the white male presidential candidate that growled, trying to fire up his supporters (Howard Dean), just showing a little feeling?!
Well, that got him booted out the race in 2000.
One last thing:
I know a "white" anti-racism activist that tells the following story:
One of his grandmothers was a long-time anti-racism activist, and during her later years developed Alzheimer's.
According to him, she eventually forgot all her children's and grandchildren's names, but there's one thing she didn't forget: she started calling Black people the n-word....and in the context of her social justice career...that's obviously NOT a norm for her...but was before she died.
Hence, it's rather difficult to sometimes disentangle personal norms and societal norms.
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 11/21/2007 3:31:17 PM | Yeah I'd rather hear someone spew out their racist feelings than hide their inner feelings - that way I know who to stay clear of.
I had a very close friend who I haven't seen since I married my husband - they met once and then my friend didn't attend our wedding. Later I heard that a negative comment ( included the "N" word) was made about my husband - by this so called friend. I am really saddened to think the reason we no longer see one another - may be the colour of my husbands skin. Shame! | |
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| Racism?
Posted: 11/21/2007 4:36:31 PM |
...when whites are angry, excited, or drunk.....their inhibitions are lowered and they lose control...spewing out their hatred.
Hasn't anyone told you that racial profiling is passe? Not to mention it is incredibly wrong-headed.
Anyway, when people get "angry, excited, or drunk" they end up saying and doing a lot of things. Sometimes funny, sometimes mean and sometimes pathetic. It depends on the person and the situation.
To go with the negative possibilities, well, believe it or not, people will draw on whatever seems the most likely to be hurtful in their verbalizations. Taking statements in such a state as evidence of anything more than that person is "angry, excited, or drunk" will lead one to some rather false and skewed perspectives on human beings. The context does matter.
I work in a mental hospital... there's 2 people (both elderly white males) that spew forth racial terms... One has an inoperable brain tumor.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that these expressions of "racial slurs" -- by two guys in a nut house no less -- are somehow evidence of suppressed beliefs? That seems a bit of a stretch, and that is putting it nicely ;)
I believe that's why whites place such great emphasis on controlling their emotions.
You don't know a lot of Italians do you?
Hence, it's rather difficult to sometimes disentangle personal norms and societal norms.
Sure... If you're going to be judging people on the basis of their behavior when they are "angry, excited, or drunk" or certifiably insane. If that is your basis of uncovering racism, you might what to seriously rethink your assumptions :o
Maybe others don't see the obvious here but I have to wonder why the focus is on "white" persons. Could it be that someone here subscribes to the notion that only the dominant ethno-cultural group can be racist? I've always felt that is a rather convenient way to hide racist undertones in an argument. I mean, think about the silliness of it. Africans can be racist, but an African in Canada cannot be racist. Somehow, I find the geographical location of a person not to be a sound indication of their character.
I'd rather hear someone spew out their racist feelings than hide their inner feelings...
Most people who are racists will make their feelings known pretty readily. They don't have to be "angry, excited, or drunk" or certifiably insane to do so. At least that's been my experience.
To be honest though, the post that initiated this thread and many of the responses that followed did not suggest to me racism as much as envy expressed in a manner that was deemed, by the persons in question to be most effective and hurtful. I doubt they had to be "angry, excited, or drunk" or certifiably insane to speak their mindlessness. | |
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 11/23/2007 6:38:32 AM | | I dont know where you get your stats man but i think its about even. I know white girls who wont date black dudes and i know black girls who wouldnt bring me home to there parents cause i was white. I think i have dated a couple racist black girls who just wanted to try white boy out. That sorta bugged me out but whatever. I think its 50/50. I used to get dirty looks from black dudes man when i was black girls. I think there just a way higher level of underlying racism in our society then we think. I will tell ya what though, i love anything human and female. I think that the beef between whites and blacks will take longer to heal then any of use can imagine. I wish it was easy to fix but its like every time we take a step further one act of hate takes us back ten. I use to walk the street and get comments from black dudes here and there cause im a big square head German kid with a shaved head, dosnt mean i have racist views. But apparently im suppose to cause of my hair. | |
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 11/23/2007 9:08:11 AM | Leanne: Yeah I'd rather hear someone spew out their racist feelings than hide their inner Later I heard that a negative comment ( included the "N" word) was made about my husband - by this so called friend.
Jordan: That's precisely the point I made: middle- and upper-class whites are more
likely to show their displeasure...in a passive or indirect way.
In your case, it was behind your back or out of earshot.
However, I do agree with you regarding "letting the hate come out"...because that way we can either avoid such people or deal with in a dialogue.
That's one of things the book at the conclusion of my message recommends.
My message was addressing the differences between Blacks and whites in expressing their dislike of someone's girl/boyfriend or wife/husband of a different ethnicity: Blacks are more likely to express thier dislike directly while you all do it indirectly.
Of course, there are some exceptions to the rule on both sides.
Is there anyone who can disclose how various Asians, Latino, or Arab groups do so?
Ralph42: Hasn't anyone told you that racial profiling is passe? Not to mention it is incredibly wrong-headed.
Jordan: What we are discussing is "how different groups display their displeasure when seeing two people of different ethnicities dating or married."
Therefore, your comment is irrelevant.
Two, why didn't you express such a sentiment when someone made the comments about Blacks?!
That shows your bias right there. :>)
Ralph42: Anyway, when people get "angry, excited, or drunk" they end up saying and doing a lot of things. Sometimes funny, sometimes mean and sometimes pathetic. It depends on the person and the situation.
Jordan: And one of those situations is: comments about people of two different ethnicities dating or being married." Duh!
Ralph42: To go with the negative possibilities, well, believe it or not, people will draw on whatever seems the most likely to be hurtful in their verbalizations. Taking statements in such a state as evidence of anything more than that person is "angry, excited, or drunk" will lead one to some rather false and skewed perspectives on human beings. The context does matter.
Jordan: Your own words prove my point: "whatever seems the most likely to be hurtful"
The criticizers dig down deep to express something to hurt others.
Two, "taking such statements as evidence of anything more angry, excited, or drunk" will lead one to some rather false and skewed perspectives on human beings" is ridiculous.
Why else express such comments if one isn't trying to be negative and/or influence people to change their behavior in order to satisfy the criticizer?!
These are NOT idle comments.
Ralph42: Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that these expressions of "racial slurs" -- by two guys in a nut house no less -- are somehow evidence of suppressed beliefs? That seems a bit of a stretch, and that is putting it nicely ;)
Jordan: Doesn't make a difference to me *how* you put it.
That particular example is parallel to being "angry, drunk, or excited."
The person has lost the ability to suppress racist beliefs, which is different from "evidence of suppressed beliefs."
Unlike those that blurt something out in a moment of "anger, excitability, or drunkenness," the person with the brain tumor continues on and on and on, persistently saying it on an intermittent basis.
Ralph42: You don't know a lot of Italians do you?
Jordan: I wrote whites.
Upon arriving in amerikkka, members of european ethnic groups usually become white, taking on traits, customs etc. of whites.
Ralph42: Sure... If you're going to be judging people on the basis of their behavior when they are "angry, excited, or drunk" or certifiably insane. If that is your basis of uncovering racism, you might what to seriously rethink your assumptions :o
Jordan: That's the best evidence there is: right out of the horse's mouth.
Ralph42: Maybe others don't see the obvious here but I have to wonder why the focus is on "white" persons.
Jordan: So that's the basis for your comments?!
As long as the focus was on Blacks, you didn't have anything to say, did you?!
If you read any of the preceding messages, you would have saw that my comments were *in response to* other comments about "Blacks expressing this displeasure directly at seeing an inter-ethnic couple."
Ralph42: Most people who are racists will make their feelings known pretty readily. They don't have to be "angry, excited, or drunk" or certifiably insane to do so. At least that's been my experience.
Jordan: The difference lies in the fact that most middle-and upper-class whites bend over backwards to hide their racist beliefs.
But in a moment of anger, excitability, or drunkenness...it comes out.
People that consciously identify as being racist...say it ALL the time.
In other words, and going back to my example of the 2 mental patients, most whites are like the guy with the brain tumor, only spewing forth when they've lost control.
People that self-describe as racist...are like the mental patient who says it all the time, whether or not he's having a psychotic episode or during the moments of clarity.
White racists like David Duke, Tom Metzger, or Pierce (wrote the Turner Diaries) say it while drunk or sober, happy or angry, somber or excited.
Ralph42: To be honest though, the post that initiated this thread and many of the responses that followed did not suggest to me racism as much as envy expressed in a manner that was deemed, by the persons in question to be most effective and hurtful. I doubt they had to be "angry, excited, or drunk" or certifiably insane to speak their mindlessness.
Jordan: heh heh heh!!!
There were once laws in this country that prohibited *whites* from dating or marrying people of a different ethnicity.
Members of other groups were free to marry one another...but not whites.
The comments made by whites are NOT an "expression of envy," but an expression of anger that those two people dared to " 'violate' " a social norm.
According to the 2000 census, inter-ethnic marriages increased to 7% of all marriages from just 2% from the 1990 census.
So the practice is still very taboo for most Americans, although most would claim that "I'm not racist." Yeah, right.
I suggest that others and yourself take a look at "Hate Speech," by Rita Kirk Whillock and Donald Slayden, editors.
And by the way, google the Implicit Assumptions test....and take it...and come back and share your results...in a new thread.
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 11/23/2007 9:26:37 AM | cpt fancy pants: I think that the beef between whites and blacks will take longer to heal then any of use can imagine. I wish it was easy to fix but its like every time we take a step further one act of hate takes us back ten. I use to walk the street and get comments from black dudes here and there cause im a big square head German kid with a shaved head, dosnt mean i have racist views. But apparently im suppose to cause of my hair."
Jordan: Of course it will take much more time than most people think because...bullshit movies like the movie Crash ignored institutional racism.
Unlike the *individual* prejudice/racism that cpt points out (Black dudes' comments to him on the streets), those in power express their racism by denial of employment; distorted research methods (use of "race" as a research variable, meaning "race" explains the differences); over-reporting Black and Latino pathology while under-reporting white and Asian pathology; gerrymandering; directing/steering People of Color with excellent credit histories to the sub-prime loans market; not calling for a job interview people with Black-sounding names; having low expectations for some students and thus don't push them to achieve at a higher level; disparate sentences for whites and People of Color committing the same crime...despite having similar criminal backgrounds and/or lawyers with comparable skills; disproportionate placement of Children of Color into the foster care system www.jointheconversation.net/
and on and on and on.
The movie Crash projected the idea that everyone was equally prejudiced or racist.
No way.....because you cannot generate the same disparities in my preceding paragraph for whites. | |
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 11/23/2007 9:12:51 PM | Wow..JordanMorgan...you certainly have a lot to say but unfortunately this topic is not directly about racism.
Unlike the *individual* prejudice/racism that cpt points out (Black dudes' comments to him on the streets), those in power express their racism by denial of employment; distorted research methods (use of "race" as a research variable, meaning "race" explains the differences); over-reporting Black and Latino pathology while under-reporting white and Asian pathology; gerrymandering; directing/steering People of Color with excellent credit histories to the sub-prime loans market; not calling for a job interview people with Black-sounding names; having low expectations for some students and thus don't push them to achieve at a higher level; disparate sentences for whites and People of Color committing the same crime...despite having similar criminal backgrounds and/or lawyers with comparable skills; disproportionate placement of Children of Color into the foster care system and on and on and on.
I am a black lady who set out in life believing that racism is an obstacle NOT a barrier. As such, hard work will definitely be rewarded. Similarly, laziness, drug-dealing, crime, gangs etc etc will be rewarded (punished). Racism is in everyone (race, creed, religion etc etc). Unfortunately we blacks have milked this too much. We blame our atitudes and lifestyle on that. To me that is absolute crock!!!
Our role models are those very ones leading us astray. We were here before the Italians, Irish, Chinese, Mexicans etc etc...!! and they were all discriminated against but worked harder to suceed.
Instead of putting all our efforts in making excuses why we cant succeed (re: that whole paragraph quoted above) lets put that same effort in giving reasons why we should work harder to succeed.
Yes there is racism and discrimination EVERYWHERE in the world but not as rampant or prevailant as black north americans want everyone else to believe. 95% of whites are genuinely fair and color-blind. Lets not dissappoint the faith they have in blacks.
Here's my 2cents on this.
Black women will generally date white men if they are bold enough to approach them appropriately. By that I mean not sounding like you are only interested to "try" a black woman. Black women have no hard feelings against interracial relationships. Its usually the guys who feel we have something against it. A black woman looking at an interracial couple does not mean hatred..more likely admiration. As said in my earlier post, Im color-blind when it comes to dating. | |
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| Colour versus Black and White
Posted: 11/24/2007 10:57:49 AM |
...why didn't you express such a sentiment when someone made the comments about Blacks?!
Well, I certainly am not one to be aware of particular posters that carry a big chip on their shoulder and attempt to see a world filled with color in black and white terms ;)
Your own words prove my point: "whatever seems the most likely to be hurtful" ...The criticizers dig down deep to express something to hurt others.
Or maybe they are social creatures and have been socialized to believe such expressions will cause hurt. Here, let me explain something. For words to be hurtful requires the listener to be socially conditioned to receive those words as hurtful. Within a single culture context, the chances are also good that the speaker is socially conditioned to know what words are going to be hurtful. Does the class follow? It's one of the reasons that insults don't always translate well -- and sometimes come across as funny rather than belligerent.
People that are "angry, excited, or drunk" or certifiably insane are not digging "down deep" to make whatever comments they make. They are simply drawing on superficial social conditioning. In effect, the conclusion to draw is the opposite of that made by some posters here.
The person has lost the ability to suppress racist beliefs, which is different from "evidence of suppressed beliefs."
Or maybe the person is simply insane. Let's try using this reasoning on another example. Say a person was an athiest all his/her life but ends up in a long-term care facility with an inoperable brain tumor and starts "spewing" his/her love of Allah and quoting the Koran day and night. Is this new behavior evidence of deeply seated religious beliefs that had been suppressed? Maybe the better answer, and the answer this person's friends would likely offer, is that he/she has lost his/her mind. Does the class follow?
Upon arriving in amerikkka, members of european ethnic groups usually become white, taking on traits, customs etc. of whites.
Like I said, eh? You really don't know a lot of Italians, do you?
Anyway, I suppose it is incumbent upon us all to be aware that these posts are in the Ontario, CANADA section. Guess that's a double ooops, eh?
On a personal note, the oft used, though hardly correct, shortform for United States of America is also spelled with a "c" not a "k" and the poster might want to clean his/her keyboard, since the "k" is sticking :o
The difference lies in the fact that most middle-and upper-class whites bend over backwards to hide their racist beliefs.
Well, that's a nice Chumpsky-ish response. Maybe it is the case that "most" of this collection of persons are simply not racists? Making an assertion as quoted might work on readers that want to believe but it doesn't convince anybody. Where is the evidence? The expressions of "angry, excited, or drunk" or certifiably insane people constitutes evidence? On such grounds just about any fool's opinion can be given credibility. Think about the reasoning being applied! The group in question does not provide the evidence of holding racist beliefs being sought. So rather than concluding the group does not hold the hypothesized beliefs, the conclusion drawn is that "racist beliefs" are being hidden or suppressed? To support this contention, it is suggested that we look at the behavior of "angry, excited, or drunk" or certifiably insane people, that might be identifiable with that spurious group, to find the desired evidence.
...the idea that everyone was equally prejudiced or racist... No way.....because you cannot generate the same disparities in my preceding paragraph for whites.
While I am tempted to complain about that typically American worldview that seems to be oblivious to the world beyond their borders, it is perhaps more useful to note the internal limitation of this sort of thinking. It might be feasible to argue that some "whites" have power in the social structure of the USA, it is unreasonable and counter-productive to assert that all "whites" have power. In a sense, doing so merely encourages a false sense of identification and produces false conflicts. Poor "whites" have much more in common with poor "blacks" than either group could ever have in common with rich "whites". That even goes for me and somebody like Jordan Mardan. I have much less in common with Bill Gates ;)
If someone opts to frame social conflicts on the basis of something as arbitrary as skin color, they are simply playing along with a mindset that seeks to deflect discussion of underlying conflicts with artificially created conflicts. I have little sympathy for claims that the core conflict in someplace like the USA is the color of a person's skin. That is not to suggest that such characteristics are always overlooked. I am simply emphasizing that this is not a fundemental issue. I have recently been introduced to a working class workplace where the ethnic composition varies tremendously and yet there seems to be high praise from all around and cooperation abounds. There are new immigrants from around the world, even a few Americans -- and a Newfoundlander. People can and do laugh about all the stereotypes out there when in an environment where such stereotypes are not encouraged or given serious consideration -- much less tolerated.
The comments made by whites are NOT an "expression of envy," but an expression of anger that those two people dared to " 'violate' " a social norm.
Here we go again. The original post mentioned "black" women and "white" men. Maybe the real bias is a person's socialized sensitivities and consequent notation of specific objections rather than the general reality surrounding the person?
If you were to ask me, I'd say that "black" men and "white" women tend to be the most objecting to an interracial coupling. Now, is that true or is it just that those are the objections I'm looking for? I know for a fact that I've had positive comments by plausible members of both of these arbitrarily assigned groups too. Others point to yet more arbitary groups.
Originally posted by tryster771 ...95% of whites are genuinely fair and color-blind.
Very much agreed. If you ask me, that is true of all ethnic groups, all over the world. Even where you find substantial intolerance, even institutionalized intolerance, the chances are most of the people do not accept it at a personal level. I guess the world would be a better place if there was an easy way to project that often found personal sentiment onto society as a whole. | |
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 11/24/2007 1:28:53 PM | | Never generalize. To say that black women are against interracial relationships is a big pile of media hype. Racists are against interracial relationships and racists come in both sexes and all colours. Just because it is 2007 and we like to think we are more enlightened now, doesn't necessarily make it so. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it not there and anyone in an interracial relationship has to be prepared to somewhere along the line have to deal with it. All it takes is one to make your life hell... when I lived in the US, my house was vandalized and I was harassed and threatened. You live what you believe and can't let what others think get to you. | |
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 11/25/2007 8:13:42 AM | Well I don't know who did this poll on black women .
But I can tell you that every black woman I have ever met they did not have any discriminations against white men . But there is always someone who does not like a different skin color or someone not from the same cultural back ground as them.
As for those black women I would say if the connection is there then they most likely would not be agaisnt someone of a different race .
Yes so many out there voice their own opinions about what others think about interracial relationships .Yet I think they do so as it is them personnally who is against interracial relationships.
And yes some people are more jealous then anything when they see a mixed race couple and so they voice it by using racists comments.
And we all know there is a lot of jealous people out there for sure! | |
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 11/25/2007 2:46:25 PM | If interracial dating were new to me, after reading some of the responses on this subject, I think I would squash the thought if I were that weak minded. To Oscat77, why would you even waste time focusing on the looks of anyone? Whenever I am with a date, usually a white male, I pay no attention to the "looks" on anyone's face. I concentrate on my date. I'll be damned if I am going to allow society dictate who I should or should not be with.
More and more people are finding that dating other cultures gives them more choices in finding a mate. There are still some who are opposed to the idea because it's different in their world and they may fear the unknown. That's understandable and I have no ill feelings toward them. Instead, I feel sorry for them because their exposure may be very limited.
I have been a member on this site since October and while it does not allow me to know whether or not someone has a preference, it doesn't stop me from approaching them via email to let them know that I may have an interest in them. The worst they can say is ...Sorry but, I am not interested. Focus on who you want to spend your time with, not on what others may think. | |
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 11/25/2007 5:25:31 PM | tryster771: Wow..JordanMorgan...you certainly have a lot to say but unfortunately this topic is not directly about racism.
Jordan: On the contrary, without racism...this topic wouldn't even be a topic....for there would be an equitable pool of available dates for everyone.....no one set of physical characteristics would be valued over another.
Hence, more white men would be dating/marrying Black, etc. women....because they would not be valuing one set of physical characteristics over any other set of traits.
tryster; I am a black lady who set out in life believing that racism is an obstacle NOT a barrier.
Jordan: I don't know why you would write such in reply to my message when my words didn't address such an issue.
As a social justice activist, a "diversity" workshop developer/facilitator, etc., etc., etc., if I viewed racism as an impossible barrier, I wouldn't be doing the things I'm currently engaged in to address racism.
When I personally encounter racism, I either go around it, under it, or through it...and that's what an education allows one to do.
However, if one's choices are limited, then he/she will have more problems dealing with it, as well as sexism, classism, and other isms.
tryster: As such, hard work will definitely be rewarded. Similarly, laziness, drug-dealing, crime, gangs etc etc will be rewarded (punished). Racism is in everyone (race, creed, religion etc etc). Unfortunately we blacks have milked this too much. We blame our atitudes and lifestyle on that. To me that is absolute crock!!!
Jordan: Just like most whites, you need to find a more accurate term to apply to those Blacks engaging in such acts, because the overwhelming majority of us are NOT engaging in such acts.
Two, there are more poor whites in america than there are Blacks, though proportionately speaking, Blacks have a higher rate due to historical discrimination.
For example, approx. 25% of Blacks live in poverty while 15% of whites live in poverty.
Twenty-five percent of about 36 million Blacks is about 9 million.
But 15% of about 180 million whites equals about 27 million poor whites, almost 3 times the number of Blacks.
So I hardly think that Blacks have a monopoly on being poor, using drugs, laziness, gangs, etc.
And what's more, when we do commit crimes...BECAUSE OF RACISM...we're more likely to receive harsher sentences than whites with similar criminal backgrounds and/or lawyers of comparable skills/educational attainment.
So the crock of sh*t is on your side of the fence.
tryster: Our role models are those very ones leading us astray. We were here before the Italians, Irish, Chinese, Mexicans etc etc...!! and they were all discriminated against but worked harder to suceed.
Jordan: Another lie.
When Blacks got out of slavery, they worked very, very hard as sharecroppers, but as we've found out through research, the sharecroppng system was setup to rob Blacks of their labor and harvests.
For example, the interest rate on money borrowed to buy implements, seeds, household goods, etc., were frequently of a usury or exhorbitant rate.....which was NOT charged to white farmers borrowing money from the same banks.
At the conclusion of harvest season, the Black sharecropper was further cheated when he went to sell his crops at the markets. Many studies illustrate how Black farmers would receive far less for their crops than white farmers.
Same or similar levels of energy/effort put forth, but less of a return...based on "race."
Receiving far less than expected, the Black sharecropper would find that he didn't have enough money to pay off his loan and/or to fund the next season's crops. So what resulted was a perpetual state of borrowing money and getting further and further in the hole.
Three, back in the late 1990s, Black farmers finally won a decades-old lawsuit against the USDA regarding the fact that "they were discriminated against by local chapters of agricultural cooperatives that were established to aid farmers in difficult times. The monies were allocated by the federal USDA, but were not allocated fairly to all farmers.
Many Black farmers lost their land while waiting for these payments and the lawsuit to wind it's way through the courts.
And right on up to today's date, they still haven't received the money from this case they won back in the late nineties.
This is one of several examples where Blacks have indeed worked very hard to get ahead...only to have the system of racism serve to detour their efforts or defer their dreams (ever heard of Langston Hughes's "A Dream Deferred?" Probably not, but what we're discussing here is the topic of that famous poem....and don't get me started on the current crisis of sub-prime loans).
Two, Italians and Irish were allowed to become white. End of story.
See Harvard professor Dr. Noel Ignatiev's book "How the Irish Became White."
The Chinese, along with other groups from the Far East had a much different beginning or boost.....than other groups, even whites.
After the building of the transcontinental railroad, the Chinese laborers began to compete for jobs in other areas of the economy.
Soon, poor whites began beating up and/or running the Chinese workers out of town.
The poor whites also began pressuring Congress to pass laws prohibiting the immigration of more Chinese.
This protest resulted in the Chinese Exclusion Acts of 1882.
The legislation held that "only Chinese business persons/merchants, students, teachers, and tourists could immigrate to America."
What's the common denominator among these groups? Wealth and an education.
Hence, only the "cream of the Chinese" were allowed to come to America after 1882.
Eventually, up through 1906, similar laws were passed for the Japanese, Koreans, and Filipinos.
Although these laws were finally repealed in 1942, it wasn't until the passage of the Naturalization and Immigration Act in 1965 that the masses of Asian immigrants were allowed to immigrate to America again. (remember the "Boat People," very poor Asian immigrants that began arriving in the US in the late 60s?!).
Thus, from 1882 through 1965 only the "cream of the crop" of Far Eastern societies were allowed to immigrate to America for nearly 83 years, bringing with them wealth, an education, and skills that they used to replicate the socio-economic status that they had held in their home societies.
Thus, it is stupid to try to compare Blacks with Asian Americans, because their histories are very different.
Proportionally, today, Asian Americans have higher incomes and a higher level of educational attainmment than even white Americans.
Again, only someone under-informed would even attenpt to compare Asian Americans with African-Americans.
If I may digress for a moment, what would happen if a significant percentage of middle- and upper-class Blacks moved to another country?!
Would they re-create the same social position that they held in America?
Yep, it's most likely that they will...in the same way that upper-class Asian immigrants did when arriving here when those Exclusion Laws were in effect.
Now....where are most of the succeeding generations of the people known as the "Boat People?!"
The bulk of them can be found working in the kitchens of Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, and/or Korean-owned restuarants, massage parlors, fingernail painting salons, sweatshops, prostitutions/other vice, and businesses within the areas of various chinatowns/Little Manillas/Little Saigons, etc., ....throughout the U.S.
These people are largely hidden from the American public.
As I wrote above, it is historically inaccuarate to make the type of statement that tryster771 attempts when comparing Blacks with "Italians, Irish, Chinese, Mexicans, etc., etc."
The so-called "model minority" was created through *selective immigration laws*...not through the hard work that tryster771 would have us to believe.
And if this so-called "model minority" is disproportionately represented among the highly educated and/or the wealthy, and thus better positioned than even whites themselves, we then see how utterly foolish such a term like "model minority" really is.
It has no other usage but to imply, "If these people did it, then why can't you Blacks?"
And to that I say, "Why can't you whites, since they're doing far better than you all as a group, too?!"
Well, the playing field and beginnings obviously hasn't been level or the same for all groups.
Once it is level, then and only then can we make such comparisons.
tryster771: 95% of whites are genuinely fair and color-blind.
Jordan: I know you CANNOT provide support for such a statement, so I'm not even going to ask you to.
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| Human Race Relations?
Posted: 11/25/2007 10:03:57 PM |
Italians and Irish were allowed to become white. End of story... See Harvard professor Dr. Noel Ignatiev's book "How the Irish Became White."
Of course one ought to remember Harvard granted oh-Danny-boy Goldhagen a Political Science PhD. It should come as no surprise that Ignorantiev got one there. For those unfamiliar with the jack-ss in question here's a quick read that gets to the point.
Noel Ignatiev
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Ignatiev
And the asserted whiteness of Italians, not even supported by the reference point, relates to Italians placing "great emphasis on controlling their emotions" how? In the end, such a disturbed individual being used as a reference -- Harvard PhD or not -- fails to support your contention. You really don't know any Italians, do you?
I know you CANNOT provide support for such a statement, so I'm not even going to ask you to.
I have to agree. There's no way to defend a general statement like "95% of whites are genuinely fair and color-blind."
Of course, one might take careful note that you can't defend the claim that "most middle-and upper-class whites bend over backwards to hide their racist beliefs" without reference to "angry, excited, or drunk" or better yet certifiably insane people. So, I have to wonder what the readership ought to believe: the assertion that most "whites" are really hiding the rabid racist within, or that most "whites" are just not like that? I really have to wonder how many people here hold the kind of disturbed worldview of the likes of Ignorantiev. I mean really.
without racism... there would be an equitable pool of available dates for everyone.....no one set of physical characteristics would be valued over another.
That's such a sweet sentiment, I thought I'd quote it. I'm sure a lot of people will appreciate that coming about.
I have to wonder though, how this utopia is to come about so long as there are so many "whites" with their well hidden "racist beliefs" around? Oh, I know. Ignorantiev offers us a sort of final solution to the "white" problem. Yeah, I'm clear on it being a metaphor (of sorts). I wonder if his follower's are?
Anyway, bottom line, bad manners are color blind. So is a lack of respect for others. Maybe the real problem idenfied in this thread is that good manners and respect for others is just not taught anymore. | |
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 11/28/2007 6:00:27 PM | Well Mr JordanMorgan, I just realised that ALL your posts here on PoF is about racism - black and white! I dont understand why you have so much anger in your heart. So far i like the back-and-forth banter between you and Ralph... 
What I find interesting that so far is that you have never blamed anything on the actions and choices we as blacks make. History and all that old nonsense you quoted here are excuses activists like yourself are feeding to our young folks. Selling drugs on street corners, stupid gangster and rap songs, dropping out of school, dead-beat black fathers, etc etc has absolutely nothing to do with RACISM. Lets call a spade and spade and teach our young ones the benefits of hard work, law abiding, dedication, sacrifices, education etc and STOP promoting the idea of "failure is acceptable because of racism"!! I, as a black man, Im very tired of hearing RACISM being used as an excuse all the time. No one is denying that it exists but RACISM is experienced by all other races. 
And what's more, when we do commit crimes...BECAUSE OF RACISM...we're more likely to receive harsher sentences than whites with similar criminal backgrounds and/or lawyers of comparable skills/educational attainment.
So the crock of sh*t is on your side of the fence.
A statement like this is an absolute crock. Commonsense should tell us that if this statement is valid, then we should stay away from commiting crime. PERIOD. Why dont you preach that! 
I absolutely agree with tryster77 that 95% (if not more) of caucasians and other non-blacks are color-blind. Lets no digress from the topic of the Op. Do black women really have issues with interaccial relationships?? I personally dont think so. | |
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 11/29/2007 9:45:09 AM | Elenza, and PACoolLady, both of you are right on!
And Jordan Mardan, I can relate to some of what you say about racism. I was attending a****ail party recently, where most of the other attendees were "upper class Caucasians." One woman, around my age, but looking much, much older, who must have thought I was a kid, had a few drinks, and decided she was going to "make conversation with the Black lady." I have one (adult child). This woman walks up to me, and asks in a loud voice, "how many children do you have?" I tell her, "one". She then asks in an even louder voice (which made other people turn around to stare at us), "do all your children have the same father?" So, I said, in an equally loud voice so that more people could stare, "No!" Most of the other people there seemed sincerely mortified that this had happened to me, although there were a few who snickered, and one who even told me that such remarks should "be expected" when one is "out of their element." When I asked how I was "out of my element", since I was a Senatorial staff member and colleague, and this woman was a "wannabee", I couldn't get an answer.
I also work part time in a community residence for mentally ill people, and one of my consumers, in particular, who is also mentally retarded (I.Q. of about 70, in addition to her schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and other problems), is quick to call any black female staff person a "stupid N----r" if she can't get her way, since she thinks she's Einstein's sister. And we're told to agree with her---so she "feels good about herself" NOT! I'm convinced that Racism will never end! | |
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 12/1/2007 12:24:58 PM | Response to tryster's colorblind comments:
http://www.euroamerican.org/editorials/Edit0499.asp
What Kind of White Person Are You?
Written by Jeff Hitchcock ("white" male)
Posted: April, 1999
People of Color may rightly excuse themselves from answering this question. Obviously it’s intended for white folks. When it comes to how one thinks and feels about race relations, most white people believe there are two choices. Either you’re racist or you’re colorblind. Individuals did not create these choices. Nor did organizations like the Center, or even larger organizations like the government. These choices exist as part of our culture itself. Society provides us two models of how to be white.
There are many ways to define a "racist." Some would say society itself is racist, giving all white people racial privileges and hence making them "racists" whether they like it or not. But most white people use the term racist, at least insofar as it applies to white people, to mean a person who consciously identifies as white, understands it to be his or her native culture, and believes that white people are superior to people of color. According to these terms, nearly all white people used to be racist, and even today it’s hardly uncommon to find white people who still are.
The second model for white people is colorblindness. Colorblindness says that race shouldn’t make a difference in people’s lives, and since it shouldn’t, we should all act as if race doesn’t matter. Because race doesn’t matter (or at least shouldn’t matter), we don’t need to mention it at all. In fact mentioning race just creates problems. Thus white people who follow the colorblind model do not particularly see themselves as white in other than a superficial way.
They know which box to check on census forms, but do not believe the status of being white has an effect on their lives. If racists are racially conscious, colorblind people might be said to be racially unconscious.
Racist or colorblind. Most of us are taught one or the other. Mainstream society certainly favors the colorblind side. Conventional wisdom says to be colorblind is good. To be racist is bad. Were those the only two choices, then we might agree. But there’s a third choice at hand.
It’s not a choice that many white people make, or even know exists. White people can consciously identify as white, understand it to be our native culture, and believe – and here is the crux of the matter -- that while white people are no better or worse than people of color at heart, we hold an unjustly privileged and dominant position in a racial hierarchy. This model is new, only about 40 years old, compared to 100 years for colorblindness and 400 years for plain old fashioned racism.
It’s so new, people haven’t agreed on a name for it. Variously called color awareness, race savvy, or new white consciousness, it nonetheless is a real alternative to the older models.
Racist white people believe colorblind white people are deluded to think that being white is not important. Alternately fearing the pervasiveness of colorblindness and bemoaning its refusal to acknowledge white culture, racists hope someday colorblind people will believe once again their interest lies in being overtly racist.
Racist white people have a more difficult time with race savvy whites who know race does matter and being white makes a difference. Race savvy whites do not shy away from discussing white identity and culture, but they frame their interests in creating multiracial structures, and working for racial equality, justice and harmony. We emphatically endorse the race savvy model. Able to see the racial structure of society as it is, race savvy white people are the racists’ worst nightmare.
Colorblind white people see racist white people pretty much for what they are, and that "something" is not what colorblind white people want to be. But colorblind white people more often than not are ineffective in working to undo the racist model. Unable to see race, they cannot see racism. Blind to color, they are blind to white culture as well. In a racially structured society they are unable to change a structure they fail to see. Rather, they rely on simplistic rules. To be conscious of race, a colorblind person will say, is to be racist. To the colorblind person the racist and the race savvy person seem to be the same. They both see race after all.
The race savvy white person understands what the colorblind white person does not. Being white makes a difference. Whiteness forms the center of our society and as long as it does, we cannot have a society centered on multiracial values. The irony of colorblindness is that by not seeing whiteness, it keeps whiteness centered. In this the racists might find some small ray of hope.
Race savvy white people are determined not to let that happen. There is and should always be a place for white people in our society, but it should not be one that controls power and resources of the mainstream exclusive of other racial groups. It should not be a place where others are expected, indeed required to come if they want the privileges of the center. Race savvy white people believe we all must change to create a multiracial center. Race savvy white people understand it’s our special role to work with our own people to bring this about.
We ask you once again, what kind of white person are you? Your choices may be a little broader than you imagine.
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chocolatebrown: I was attending a****ail party recently, where most of the other attendees were "upper class Caucasians."
Jordan: Does 2 or 3 exceptions to the rule invalidate the rule?
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 12/1/2007 1:07:24 PM | treadstone: Well Mr JordanMorgan, I just realised that ALL your posts here on PoF is about racism - black and white! I dont understand why you have so much anger in your heart. So far i like the back-and-forth banter between you and Ralph...
No one is denying that it exists but RACISM is experienced by all other races.
Jordan: Researching, examining, and discussing racism has nothing to do with "anger in my heart."
Do all the employees of Human Rights Commissions and EEOCs across the country have "anger in their hearts" because they deal with racism on a daily basis?!
Two, it's simply untrue that all my messages have to do with just "Black and white," for I've frequently used the term People of Color...which is short for "African-/Asian-/Latino-/ and "Native" Americans.
So you're wrong there, too.
treadstone: What I find interesting that so far is that you have never blamed anything on the actions and choices we as blacks make.
Jordan: I have NEVER written that "ALL the problems encountered by Blacks can be blamed on whites' racism."
If I had written such a statement, then your sentence would be correct.
The topics I have posted on had to do with racism, not dead-beat dads, gangs, selling drugs, or whatever.
So again...you're wrong.
If anyone starts a thread on those issues, then you will see another type of response from me.
But don't create red herrings and then proceed to answer them. Not going to let you get away with that.
treadstone: Lets call a spade and spade and teach our young ones the benefits of hard work, law abiding, dedication, sacrifices, education etc and STOP promoting the idea of "failure is acceptable because of racism"!!
Jordan: That's ridiculous....and here's why.
Even Blacks who have done all those things (worked hard, got a college degree, made sacrifices, abide by the law, etc.)....have still faced racism.
Take Asian Americans for example, even though they have the highest GPAs in colleges throughout the nation, guess what, they still encounter discrimination in employment, etc.
So don't give me that crap about how "working hard, abiding by the law, etc"....eliminates the chances that one will experience racism.
Google "bamboo ceiling"...and see what you get.
The overwhelming majority of discrimination lawsuits filed by Blacks in America....are filed by hard working/abides by the law/makes scarifices/college-educated Black people....NOT the bums standing out there on the street corners selling drugs all day and night.
Again...you're wrong.
treadstone: I, as a black man, Im very tired of hearing RACISM being used as an excuse all the time. A statement like this is an absolute crock. Commonsense should tell us that if this statement is valid, then we should stay away from commiting crime. PERIOD. Why dont you preach that!
Jordan: Anybody reading such a comment would have to laugh.
We're all supposed to be equal before the law.
Two, whatever I write can be supported by a number of research studies on "racsim and the the judicial system."
As I wrote above, I have NOT "used racism as an excuse" for everything, for we have NOT discussed everything on this site.
You're conflating two different issues.
treadstone:I absolutely agree with tryster77 that 95% (if not more) of caucasians and other non-blacks are color-blind.
Jordan: There's absolutely no way that a person can look at another and not see what color he/she is.
Only a person that is blind can do that.
THE TRICK IS TO SEE COLOR, BUT NOT TO ASSOCIATE "RACIAL" STEREOTYPES WITH THAT COLOR.
For example, why do most whites b-e-l-i-e-v-e that:
-- most welfare recipients are Blacks?
--most Blacks are athletically-inclined?
--most drug dealers/drug users are Black?
Because that's what they've learned in the media, which includes textbooks, novels, movies, radio shows, TV shows, newspapers, etc....anything capable of disseminating a message to the masses of people is media.
In fact, only about 4% of all Blacks are athletically inclined.
Whites makeup about 68% of those receiving welfare.
The average drug user/seller in America is white...not Black, not Latino, not Asian, not "Native" American...but white. | |
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 12/1/2007 5:35:10 PM | As for the OPs post, I can't really comment as I am not a "Black Woman".
When it comes to racism though I can as I have been subject to it like everyone else probably has. Its not a White thing or a Black thing, it's a people thing, and sadly there are many humans that are racist.
When I lived in Japan, I was always looked down upon, the Japanese are somewhat zenophobic and see all other races/nationalities as inferior. (some more than others). My Asian wife (she was Japanese) was subject to many racist comments mainly by older Japanese men.
There is no getting away from racism, the only thing we can do is surround ourselves with those that are like minded, and pity those that aren't.
I personally have no prefrences when it comes to the opposite sex, I will and have dated White, Black, Asian and Indian Women. Those that have "prefrences" may not be racist, but they have "stereotyped" all others, which is almost as bad.
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| Contextualizing Race
Posted: 12/2/2007 8:03:21 AM | Deconstructing the Center for the Study of White American Culture? Nevermind. I got to a link that mentions Foucault. Enough said. I'm not in the mood to hunt for the inevitable reference to Derrida. Maybe a bit more thoughful than an Ignorantiev but probably still a bunch of Harvard PhDs, eh? ;)
You know, Marx would probably roll over in his grave knowing the sort of twists some academics have taken with some of his writings. I suspect he'd be more comfortable knowing that significant parts of his projections were wrong than realizing that some academics use his early sociological thoughts to turn his economic analysis on its head. I guess its only fitting though, since he did it to Hegal.
racist... a person who consciously identifies as white, understands it to be his or her native culture, and believes that white people are superior to people of color... This model is... 400 years old...
The author is not really well learned in history. Four hundred years ago, any given group of individuals divided the world into civilized and savage. For all practical purposes, the notion of the civilized world was limited to what might now be considered a particular ethnic identity though even that is a bit of a stretch for 400 years ago. (Class identification mattered at least as much if not more than ethnic identity in this timeframe.) The bias applied equally well to folks from what is now China, to what is now Ethiopia or what is now France. Religious identification mattered a whole lot too in some parts of the world. But effectively, 400 years ago, things hadn't changed all the much from 2000 years prior when the Greeks identified barbarians as anyone that wasn't Greek. To suggest that anyone from 400 years ago identified themselves as "white" is nothing short of ridiculous.
Even a hundred years ago, there was only a very limited acknowledgement of what is now taken for granted, namely that more than one node of civilization exists at any given time. What was different one hundred years ago was that by that time, race was a notion that had been constructed.
colorblindness... race doesn’t matter (or at least shouldn’t matter)... Conventional wisdom says to be colorblind is good... This model is... 100 years old...
Considering that "race" is a social construct, and not a particularly well defined one, I'd say colourblind is a good choice for all. The notion of race isn't all that much older than the author's claim for the colorblind "model" of, for lack of a better description, race awareness. In a sense, then, the author is simply acknowledging, perhaps unconsiously or ignorantly (given his demonstrated lack of historical knowledge noted above), that not all "white" people ever accepted the social construction of race.
Anyway, what is really different at that point in history, compared to 400 years ago, is the overwhelming material and organizational superiority of European states when compared to all others (well, at least the few that still existed, given we're talking 1899). At that point in time, a few more-or-less European states dominated significant chunks of the world (Russia and the Ottoman Empire were not accepted as full members).
race savvy... people can consciously identify as white, understand it to be our native culture, and believe... that while white people are no better or worse than people of color at heart, we hold an unjustly privileged and dominant position in a racial hierarchy... This model is new, only about 40 years old...
So a "white" welfare mother is actually "unjustly privileged" and holds a "dominant position" in a meaningful "racial heirarchy" within -- I presume -- American society? I think I saw that position taken in a Monty Python skit many years ago. I laughed out loud.
Honestly, the author sounds like a sanitized Ignorantiev. I hope nobody takes this nonsense seriously. I guess that statement is an example of a forlorn hope.
They know which box to check on census forms...
By the way, here, once again, we are forced to acknowledge that all-too-painful American-centric perspective cropping up again. In CANADA (as in the Ontario, CANADA section this thread is located), there isn't such a simplistic option on ethnic identification. Honest! Check out the Statistics Canada website. It probably makes things a lot easier for all those people that don't comfortably fit into one of the American options. And that's really the crux of such a silly argument as this. It's hard to identify a "white" culture because most people that might be socialized in America to identify themselves as "white" on a census form, are not likely to identify themselves as such in the real world. They are at least as likely to refer to their ethnicity, like Italians, for example. I wonder if the author knows any Italians?
Does 2 or 3 exceptions to the rule invalidate the rule? Nope.
And one should note, that is also true of "exceptions" like "angry, excited, or drunk" or better yet certifiably insane people when considering questions of "racist belief."
Do all the employees of Human Rights Commissions and EEOCs across the country have "anger in their hearts" because they deal with racism on a daily basis?!
Of course not. They do, however, have a vested interest in finding "racism" even where there is none. Let's be blunt, they wouldn't have nice cushy government paid or mandated jobs if they actually tried to overcome or eliminate racism rather than encourage it. That's not to suggest racism doesn't exist. It is to suggest that stakeholders are not a good basis for an objective understanding of the issue and the extent to which it matters.
...it's simply untrue that all my messages have to do with just "Black and white," for I've frequently used the term People of Color...which is short for "African-/Asian-/Latino-/ and "Native" Americans.
Of course. So tell us, when did "white" cease to be a colour? And when did "Asian" become a colour? Where does a guy like Filipe Calderon fit in this nice little social construction? How about Juan Carlos? Anwar Sadat :o
I have to wonder whether this thinking is simply a function of the narrow-mindedness of some Americans who fail to look beyond their borders when claiming universality for their particular social constructions or whether these folks actually think the world is like that.
There's absolutely no way that a person can look at another and not see what color he/she is.
Okay. That really isn't the end of what a person sees though. With all the socio-psychological commentary being flaunted here, I assume that some of the posters are familiar with how this works. Sure a person will see skin color. They'll also see a hair style, a facial expression, a fashion statement, a social context and more. Human brains take all those observations, slap them together, and then draw a value-weighted conclusion (that is open to change based on new information). It just isn't all about skin color. It never was and it never will be -- no matter how hard all the "racism" experts out there might want to have the rest of us believe.
For example, why do most whites b-e-l-i-e-v-e... what they've learned in the media, which includes textbooks, novels, movies, radio shows, TV shows, newspapers, etc...
Okay. I guess "People of Color" (in America) don't have access to all this "media" then since otherwise, I would assume they'd be believing the same thing. Well?
This all actually leads to being on topic again, thank God! In the end, when people respond, positively or negatively to a situation like observing an interracial couple walking down the street, there is a heck of a lot of context that has to be presented before ever being able to comment on the motivations of the people concerned. The comments here only touch on all that is entailed. And the original post really doesn't given enough information to even justify the generalization proposed. So, maybe this discussion will prove useful.
PS: JordanMardan, glad you fixed that sticking "k" on the keyboard. There is hope afterall :) | |
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 12/5/2007 4:40:45 AM | Iano, I'd date a black girl, I dont see the major issue with interracial dating (You want to get technical, Im part native, so yeah).
Still, I think the situation is more "unusual" then say:
Black Guy, White Girl
White Guy, Asian Girl
or
White Guy, Leb Girl
Im willing to just chalk it up to "Less exposure". If itwere to happen more, people would likely not take notice. | |
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| Why aRe MORE Black Women Against Interracial RELATIONSHIPS?
Posted: 12/9/2007 8:44:08 AM | As a black woman who dates out side of her race I will tell you we got just as many nasty looks from black men as you got from black women. In fact black men would come up to me as if I were not with my husband at all. Then question why I would want a white man over one of them. I also have found that a great many men who express an interest in me do it for other motives than an interest in me as a person.
1) They want a really good looking woman and want her younger than them so they feel they can do better with black women than other women.
2) They have some sick sexual fanasty about what they think black women are like in bed and MAKE it very clear in the first conversation they are looking for 'wild monkey sex'. Not a relationship . In fact they would never let any of their friends or family see us together.
They are very surprised and angry when I reject their advances. I get nasty names in return for the rejections. I get the feeling they dont think I should reject them. I should be happy they have made their silly racist advance. But that is just my experince. I still date out side my race but I am very very selective in who I date. | |
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