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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/18/2007 4:33:48 AM | I smoke cause it's fun to blow O's, If I was dating a non-smoker I'd probably date her and if she kept nagging me in a nice way I'd probably give it up for her and expect some heavy brownie points for it in recognition!!
So I'd have to date a tolerant non-smoker but It's not like i'm gonna shut you in an inclosed space and make you breathe 2nd hand smoke (that often) cause if my girlfriend doesn't like something I do my best to erecticate the situation , haha the first way of weaning me off would be not coming outside with me, so if I wanted your attention I have to stay inside with you and not go outside for a yucky smoke :p | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!! = Bad idea.
Posted: 8/18/2007 3:07:18 PM |
And some of us don't do any of the things you mentioned above -- it's called being healthy.
naw, give yerself credit-its called being PERFECT, congratulations
(ok, a bit 'catty' perhaps-But, even though one may Not drink/smoke/eat greasy foods...i have YET to meet AnyOne whom doesnT have a ONE UNhealthy habit=get R E A L)
But given a choice? I'd date the alcoholic hands down.
WOW! Obviously, SO obviously...dis one has NOT had to live with/E N D U R E
life with an ALCOHOLIC (one of THE most Ignorant statements i have read on POF-and, its a tuff 'list' to make/place on/be at the 'top 10' of)
(if you live together, it's going to affect the non-smoker no matter how careful you are).
Absolutely False: in the sense of HEALTH (which IS how intended-no?)
Yes=the smell,etc-BUT...there IS the possibility of having Z E R O transmission of smoke
(first hand/second hand-whatEver) to 'state' otherwise is just simply F A L S E
[quote
Tell your girlfriend to drop me a line when you get sick. I'll help direct her to the best hospitals for your treatment.
Oh, Not pretentious/presumptuous/downright rude-at ALL *snickers,shakes head*
~i am going to indulge in a lil story (T R U E one)~
-my Uncle (blood Aunt's Husband) was a Wonderful Man, Great person, Awesome Father, Brilliant Business Owner/inventor/Etc, Honest,Loving, Devoted Husband
-He was Also one of THE 'HealthyEST' folks AnyOne could Know
-He Never touched Drugs-of Any kind (yes=tobacco IS a Drug)
-He was a Strict vegetarian (and Knew how to Compensate for protien/etc)
-He was a Marathon runner/cyclist/ETC
-He had the OCCASIONAL glass of wine (ok, drug too-relaaax folks)
-He was Not a 'stressed' person, had a very 'Healthy' lifestyle/outlook/attitude
-He and his family lived on the coast, in a beautiful house that HE built, had the Peace,serenity of the waves,nature , Fresh AIR-all around them
-He was in his mid/late 40s when he had his first 'Unexplained backache'
-He went to zee Dr, they gave him a 'checkup', sent him home with some mild pain med
-He went back to Dr ...One week later ('Unexplained backache' came back/persisted)
-He was more Thoroughly Examined
-He had T U M O R S...was Riddled with em...all up/down his back
-He D I E D...6 Months later
NO!...NoOne in his family/circle of friends/business=S M O K E D (he simply was NOT exposed to such=EVER)
NO=there was No 'explanation' for this Tragic/UnTimely/UnFair passing
YES=He, his Famiy had $ for All the 'treatment' that was Possible (No Matter)
YES=He Did grow up 'downwind' from a 'nuclear plant'??? HMmmmm
*POINT*
'giving the 'SmokerS' gf/bf YOUr #...so YOU can 'Refer'?
-maybe the 'SmokeR' doesnT Expect Any'Thing' from Their 'mate' (if the Do get 'sick')?
-mayBe, the smokerS mate wouldnT 'be there/Do AnyThing' ...For the SmokeR?
-MayBE...the LOVE they share would be the motivation in THIER action/NonAction?
Ethier/OR=when a LOVED one is ILL,DIE ing...the LAST thing folks (most folks) DO
IS-start slinging around 'Blame'
it was NO 'fault' of my Uncles that he was Sick,DIEd-HowEver, knowing him,my Auntie,Their Children...
THEY ALL would have LOVED,been THERE For Him(as they WERE)=No Matter
'whoS Fault' (sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!)
oh, BUT? im shuuuure if Y O U could/would have been A B L E to 'refer' my Auntie,her KIDS, To the DRs that COULD have SAVED my Uncle?
THAT would have been USEful, Welcome-yup
Taking care of the person you love the most in the world through lung cancer, cardiovascular disease, emphysema or COPD and then having to grieve their death after you can't save them.
life (and DEATH) Happens, one NEVER knows H O W our bodies are going to meet their END
if One is the 'Kind' of person that will First look to WhoS 'FAULT' a terminal sickness is?
UM, doesnt sound like one i would even Care to 'have in my corner' (friend/lover/family OR other'wise')
How is what I said above judgmental?
sure, 'judgmental' may not be the proper term-Technically,BUT...
there are many 'other' words that come to mind, that are far less desirable than 'judgmental' (maybe 'cold'? callous? indignant? self RIGHTious?...jist for beginners- ya, mayBe)
Nope, I'm pro-choice.
W O W! Yikes,YowlZa, just WOW!
and i AlReady wrote all that?^^^ hehe
SO: one Has to wonder "WHY"? Why all the 'Worry' about AnOthers 'health/span of LIFE/Quality of LIFE/Etc?
No Need to even Bother-just Slice&Suck in zee F I R S T place (then?... No 'worries' if health deteriorates over TIME)
Not a 'comment' on -pro life/pro choice- (personally)
just seemsSOoooooooooo Beezarro, ironic, ILL Logical-for one to be SO (Claim to be)
'Concerned' about ^^^
and THEN..."welp, ta each their own aye?"
Not even remotely trying to. That doesn't mean I want to date a smoker, for the reasons stated above.
WSHEEEEEW! thank GOODness
if being a S M O K E R is the ONE 'thing' that has deemed some gents 'UnDatable'
(for/to Some folks)
i would offer only this
"Wsheeew, seems You Dodged a Bullet Their Gentlemen"
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/18/2007 4:38:07 PM | most people I know that smoke started smoking when they were in middle school or early high school. Come on now, think back-- how would you look if you were made accountable for some of those early decisions?
That's a pretty weak argument.
Since heroine is less addictive than nicotine (according to several posts in this thread), I guess it would be alright for a teen-ager to start using herione. And when he still using as an adult it shouldn't be frowned upon b/c after all, you can't be held accountable for decisions you make as a teenager. Can that accountability argument also be used to not take care of a child that is produced by two 15 year olds?
Teenage kids are smart. They know what can happen if you have unprotected sex. They know that heroine is an addictive narcotic. And they know the negative affects of cigarette smoking. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/18/2007 5:11:39 PM | | Great post Suckafish!!!!, I got tired of saying my peace about all this in the other smoking threads that had all the "perfect people in them"...............as for you eagles, you have never been around a heroine addict..I have and believe me she would be able to give up the cigs before the H......and to the person that said they would rather live with an alcoholic, well you havent seen what alcohol does mentally, physically, emotionally to all that is involved...I have had 2 family members die of alcohol and all of us smoke, none have died, been thrown in jail, physically hurt someone due to smoking.....so you go live with an alcoholic instead of smoker.....oh and people that are severe alcoholics have a very distinct odor about them also due to the stomach acids and the alcohol coming from their pores...I would rather smell smoke than that. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/18/2007 5:13:51 PM | Being the smoker that I am obviosuly Im on the lookout for someone who does smoke, though thats not always the case... The one thing that bugs me is they find out im a smoker when we meet in person... not from reading it on my profile.... eh I get over it.. im a pushover lol.
If its something with their health, or they really dont like someone who smokes, I wont do it when Im near them, plain and simple. A simple courtesy for him. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/18/2007 5:25:30 PM | Cigarettes are my friends.
Always have been, always will be.
So as to not generate conflict, I try not to date nonsmokers,
as I will NOT refrain from lighting up in my home, my car, or
anywhere else that it's legally or even questionably permitted.
Could I date or be in a relationship with a nonsmoker?
Sure! As long as she realizes that I won't quit smoking for her. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/18/2007 5:58:36 PM | | Agree 100% with justcueit. people have choices to make. If a non-smoker doesn't want to date a smoker or vis versa (i'm a smoker and I'd rather date a smoker ) then that's not going to change and will always be an issue. Don't try to force a relationship by pushing aside an issue and thinking it's going to change. smoking is a tough habit to break and most of us hate that we have it but I for one would resent quiting for someone else. It has to be your own choice. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/18/2007 11:46:43 PM |
What a bunch of malarky! I am calling BS on that one. I have smoked for years and have more energy then most people half my age who are non-smokers, in better shape then the majority of them as well.
Your the exception rather than the norm. I only know one high energy smoker personally and over 20 that are very low energy. Smokers just don't get the same amount of oxygen through respiration. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/19/2007 7:52:32 AM | Dave hate to tell you, but people with COPD get the oxygen they just cant get the carbon dioxide with the exhalation...unless its to the point of no return and need the oxygen tank..I know I have COPD, and as long as I exercise and take care of myself I can do just about what anybody can.
to the poster below me....what is with you and a few others saying we cant orgasm as well...ummm, I do very well, very hard, very wet and I can pretty much get myself to the point with just thinking about someone very special(thank god its not some people on these threads!!!) | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/19/2007 8:05:43 AM | | Quit so you can have relationships with non-smokers. I smoked for years but quit. Non-smokers are way cooler than smokers, if only I'd known, why non-smokers NEVER HAVE BAD BREATH and non-smokers are never EVER OUT OF BREATH, and non-smokers have orgasms just by thinking of them and non-smokers all have perfect pitch singing voices and non-smokers can retract their jaws and eat animals TWO TO THREE times the size of their bodies and non-smokers can extend their tongues down your throat during fits of passion and manually MASSAGE YOUR SPLEEN and lots of other cool stuff. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/19/2007 12:03:24 PM | I don't think that it's possible, but felt tempted to start a new thread on Smokism . I go on lots of holidays on my own, and am in minority as a smoker. I never smoke around non smokers, and abide by the law, which is very different from when I first started. The company that I went with prides itself with it's attitude to cultural diversity, it's the first time that I have travelled with them, most of the people that I travelled with, including myself would agree with the way that they sponser schools in Africa and so on.
But I've never had such hassle, in particular from 2 members of the group re smoking. I feel that some people just take it as an excuse to be rude. One in particular felt that a whole campsite should be non smoking in spite of the fact that you couldn't go out; it was in the Masai Mari. And objected to smoking areas at the airport. Their was one individual who would make comments within earshot re other people smoking in other vans, which made me feel very uncomfortable, in spite of the fact that I never did it. Plus made racist comments, again within earshot of Germans. I think that it just about sums it up.
I agree with people disliking smoking but draw the line when it's smokers. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/19/2007 12:20:51 PM | Dulcet says:
I agree with people disliking smoking but draw the line when it's smokers.
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Fair enuff, but wait - the thread is about dating them.
Disliking smoking is no big surprise in anyone - even the majority of smokers themselves don't like being smokers.
Disliking smokers as human beings is uncool; we do better to try to be tolerant of all human beings even those with repulsive characteristics like addiction to a dirty habit.
You don't have to approve their behavior in order to feel some empathy for the person. However, you do need to take into account the fact that it's not an accident. Every smoker CHOSE to light that first cigarette so it's not a matter deserving compassion like a person being in a wheelchair. And nobody was born smoking.
The question is - would you date a smoker? If so, why? There are plenty of people around who do not have that problem. If you get involved with a smoker you will inevitably make effects of their problem your problem too. Why bother? | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/19/2007 12:47:14 PM | I dont smoke & to be honest i'm not on here looking for a date (yet)
If i was on here looking for a date & i met a smoker i don't think it would bother me, although i have never had to kiss a smoker so i couldn't be too sure.
What does make me laugh sometimes though .. on here some people have their profiles listed as looking for email/chat.
But on their message settings it says must not smoke ..do they think if a smoker contacts them they will get lung cancer through the screen  | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/19/2007 1:26:38 PM |
If you get involved with a smoker you will inevitably make effects of their problem your problem too. Why bother?
Same can be said about obesity, old age and all the rest. OK so you don't want to date a smoker. Fine no big deal. But DON"T hook up with a person and then try to change that person. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/19/2007 3:58:39 PM | | Amendread! I could not possibly kiss a smoker, done deal. Be sure your profile states what you want or would not deal with. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/25/2007 10:04:46 PM | Hey Smile With Your Eyes:
Can you please forward me the name of your therapist? Thanks to Fra I have been enlightened to the fact that I have a self-esteem deficiancy, am filled with self-hatred, and truly am a loser! All of this seems to be too much for me and I am now experiencing an emotional breakdown! Thanks!
As far as the issue at hand Lady70: Only YOU can make the call. I wouldn't (and have never) quit for someone else. You have to be ready to quit for YOU. If he is important enough to make you wanna quit for YOU, then good luck to you! I've dated several non-smokers (soon to be one myself!) and I always respected their "space." For some that's just not good enough though. And if it's not good enough for him, then just keep looking! You know there are plenty of  !  | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/25/2007 10:28:17 PM | I wouldn't date a smoker for long term, and going down on a female smoker tastes like eating an ashtray
Dude I'm not sure who you dated but let me explain where I smoke from...my mouth, not my hoo hoo. I assure you everything in that area tastes wonderful. You must have been dating a circus freak who blew smoke rings out of her giney.
As for the old crabby dude, I get your frustration with smokers it's almost like my frustration with narrow minded blowhards. You made your point. I would rather date a heroin/crack/crank/meth addicted full blown lesbian than date a narrow minded jackass and I'm straight.
And Newman, my therapist is Phillip Morris ;) | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/25/2007 11:07:02 PM | I was engaged to a smoker. I never asked her to quit for me. I just said I didn't like it very much, but I could still handle it. She quit that day.
Oh by the way, if anyone says they don't want to change anyone. They are lying. Seriously come on. There will always be a point in your life that you will want to change some aspect of your significant other. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!! = Bad idea.
Posted: 8/26/2007 12:08:53 AM | suckafish says:
Not drink/smoke/eat greasy foods...i have YET to meet AnyOne whom doesnT have a ONE UNhealthy habit=get R E A L)
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Yeah sure, but wait a minute. Did you ever meet anyone who had to put up with secondhand Big Macs? Or secondhand martinis?
If smokers imposed the effects of their dirty habit only on themselves that would be fine. But they don't. They stink up the place wherever they go, then trash the 'hood with their discarded butts.
You don't need to date an addict. There are plenty of fish. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/26/2007 1:07:25 AM | I quit smoking a few months ago and found it repulsive every time I did. If someone is worth getting to know and smokes occasionally (1-3 a day), makes a point to freshen their breath and eleviate the odor.....I don't have a problem with it. There's far more to smoking than one may think or even consider. IMO if you're okay with killing and medicating yourself all day there's probably more going on in your life than you think and a sincere self examination may be in order.
The flip side to this is I don't appreciate those whom habitually practice "contempt prior to investigation". To immediatley disqualify someone based on assumption, a single negative past experience or an absence of complete information is..........(you tell me)
The reality is I don't know anyone who hasn't done this at some point, myself included. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 8/26/2007 1:38:09 AM | I do not date smokers. Simple as that for me. And I happily make this choice for myself. It's a preference.
Now if you're asking if you should quit for a relationship, well I think quiting for health is the first priority. If you're not ready to quit, you're not ready to quit. A relationship likely won't change that. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 9/2/2007 1:05:23 PM |  Rut Roh! One more reason to give it up! Fido, Felix and Polly are in danger!! 
" Secondhand Smoke Causes Cancer in Pets
Andrea Thompson
LiveScience Staff Writer
LiveScience.comFri Aug 31, 1:00 PM ET
Secondhand smoke isn't just a health threat to people. It can also hurt dogs and cats, veterinarians say.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than 126 million Americans who don't smoke are exposed to secondhand smoke in their homes, vehicles, workplaces, and public places. This exposure causes thousands of lung cancer and heart disease deaths among nonsmokers every year, according to the California Environmental Protection Agency.
Making the leap from the effects of secondhand smoke on humans to their effects on pets isn't a big one, says veterinarian Carolynn MacAllister of Oklahoma State University.
"There have been a number of scientific papers recently that have reported the significant health threat secondhand smoke poses to pets," MacAllister said. "Secondhand smoke has been associated with oral cancer and lymphoma in cats, lung and nasal cancer in dogs, as well as lung cancer in birds."
Mouth cancer in cats
MacAllister cited a study done by the Tufts College of Veterinary Medicine that showed that the number of cats living with mouth cancer (also known as squamous cell carcinoma) was higher for those living in homes with smokers than those who lived in smoke-free environments.
"One reason cats are so susceptible to secondhand smoke is because of their grooming habits," MacAllister said. "Cats constantly lick themselves while grooming, therefore they lick up the cancer-causing carcinogens that accumulate on their fur. This grooming behavior exposes the mucous membranes of their mouth to the cancer-causing carcinogens."
Cats living with smokers are also twice as likely to develop malignant lymphoma, a cancer that occurs in the lymph nodes and that is fatal to three out of four cats within 12 months of developing it.
Lung and nose cancer in dogs
Studies have also shown that dogs living in a smoking household are susceptible to cancers of the nose and sinus area, particularly if they are a long-nosed breed, because their noses have a greater surface area that is exposed to carcinogens and a greater area for them to accumulate. Dogs affected with nasal cancer normally don't survive for more than one year.
Short and medium-nosed dogs are more susceptible to lung cancer, "because their shorter nasal passage aren't as effective at accumulating the inhaled secondhand smoke carcinogens," MacAllister said. "This results in more carcinogens reaching the lungs."
Birds are also at risk for lung cancer, as well as pneumonia, because their respiratory systems are hypersensitive to any type of air pollutant.
To help prevent animals from being adversely affected by smoking, pet owners who smoke should have a designated smoking area that is separated from the home or stop smoking altogether, MacAllister said." | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 9/2/2007 1:13:29 PM | | Nope, smoking is a no-no for me. I can't stand the smell, the smoke hurts my throat and I just feel ill after. Also can't stand kissing someone that smokes, yuk! | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 9/14/2007 10:16:06 AM | Well this is too easy. yall talking like youre going to live forever! george burns lived 100+ years and he smoked hardcore. its different for everyone i guess.
theres people that got cancer and never smoked a day in their lives!
anyhoo, i would never quit smoking for anybody other than myself. i smoke a pack a week. its not much really. some people smoke two packs a day. (thats crazy) also, ya gotta brush yer teeth right, (and tongue) i brush my teeth hardcore and drink ALOT of water, some people dont even know i smoke..(you smoke Kel?) hehe yup..also, i can go hours without a smoke, i am a scuba diver and sometimes there are times where i cant smoke for like 8 hours at all. also jog, play sports etc..my advice is just date somebody that smokes if you do, if you dont, date accordingly...too easy....
so ya, smokem' if ya gottem! | |
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