| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/11/2007 4:24:31 PM | Just think of him as a guy who deals cocaine to little kids, and you wouldn't touch the stuff. How could a man date you knowing that you will not tolerate his injustices? Now you know how what he is, how can you date him?
The only thing that breeds addiction is a lack of acceptance.
Someone that cured a very close relative of bulimia. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2007 4:36:04 PM | My boyfriend is a wonderful man. I love him dearly. I smoke, he doesn't. It bothers him that I do. So, I'm in the process of cutting down, getting ready to quit. He helps monitor the number I have and helps me.
Smoking is an addiction. And he's being patient....as long as he knows I'm trying!
My relationship with him is far more important than a cigarette. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2007 4:53:40 PM | Op
It is very difficult for a non-smoker to accept a smoker. I wouldn't date a smoker. I use to smoke many years ago and quit with the nicotine patch, it was new on the market at that time. Actually my ex and I quit together that's the only way to do it. I have a friend and her and her husband are quitting with chantix they are very satisfied with it. If you want to quit there is away that will work for you. When you decide there is not one good reason to smoke you'll quit!!! Good Luck | |
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Posted: 7/11/2007 11:58:04 PM | A good friend of mine always says “you smoke, I chew, don’t blow it at me and I wont spit on you.” lol I think if the smoker is respectful it shouldn’t matter…I do prefer nonsmokers in my relationships but I don’t make my decisions because of  | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 12:38:57 AM | OP: I'm just a little curious how you wound up dating a man who doesn't date smokers if you smoke?
I don't date smokers. I'm allergic. I live in a house with hardwood floors and HEPA filters. Even if I wasn't allergic smoking makes the smoker sick, and also makes the SO sick from second hand smoke. Taking care of a man who is slowly giving himself cancer or heart disease just isn't on my "to do" list. Plus it just smells.
These days most people don't smoke, so there is a pretty large pool to pick from.
So, cute as Ron9 is, even if I was single and he lived 1,200 miles closer, I'd have to pass because of the smoking. 
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/12/2007 5:24:02 AM |
You can read up on it at Chantix dot com
Isn't that the same thing that Zyban does? Or is Zyban the Canadian name and Chantix the American name? I know brand names change for some drugs when you cross the border. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 7:17:14 AM | ^ ^ ^ ^ No, not the same drug.
Zyban (bupropion) is chemically identical to Wellbutrin (bupropion), except that Zyban is approved for the indication of smoking cessation and Wellbutrin is approved for depression. Both drugs are dopamine and norepinephrine agonists, two neurotransmitters in the brain reward pathway. It is thought that Zyban reduces tobacco craving via this pathway. Wellbutrin has also been found to reduce food cravings and has had modest success in human weight loss clinical trials.
GlaxoSmithKline receive two indications for this drug because the company conducted clinical trials to get Zyban approved for smoking cessation, a costly process. The company would not have done this if they weren't assured they could get some years of exclusivity, after showing efficacy and safety.
Zyban prescribing information:
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_zyban.pdf
Chantix (varenicline) has both agonist and antagonist effects on nicotinic receptors, the receptor to which nicotine binds. Pfizer suggests that Chantrix stops smoking via a dual mechanism of action, first by partially stimulating nicotinic receptors and secondly by blocking the particular nicotine receptor to which nicotine in cigarettes binds.
Clinical trials indicate that Chantrix may be more effective than Zyban.
Chantix prescribing information:
http://www.pfizer.com/pfizer/download/uspi_chantix.pdf
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Posted: 7/12/2007 8:09:39 AM |
you might want to see your Dr. and get a prescription for Chantix. I've been on it for a week and a half now and it's the only thing I've ever tried that actually works. I'm having no withdrawal symptoms at all...only the habit part of reaching for one which isn't that big of a deal.
Not to sound all after school special an all but this stuff really does work. I work with several people who have tried it and they all reported it the same way. Plus since I work with them, and none of them slapped any of the ladies we work with it's got to be working.
However, I haven't tried it yet. I'm scared...and I'm sure that I'm not quite ready to stop. I give it a few more months until things get settled then I'll try (note: I'm making excuses) :) | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 8:16:34 AM | Yes i did quit for 5 months i started again.......terrible decision I fully acknowledge that mistake and will power was a important part of it quitting that is..I think that as an individual you have a choice who you date as apposed to smoker or non smoker but when there is such a connection to 2 individuals should,nt that person give you a chance to quit ....I guess that i should move on and not put such valuble time into something that never will come to passs | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 8:28:46 AM | | Every disgusting fact that has been posted about smoking is correct.. But coming from someone who smokes occasionally...usually depending on my stress level for the week, month..etc... It is a tense point when i meet someone new and have to disclose that i smoke. I dont like that this is one of my worst habits..but it would be nice for a little support from the special someone in our lives. I have a set date to just quit. I dont smoke chronically but it still will be huge effort not to go for the easy release that any addictive behavior 'seems' to give us! | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 8:30:28 AM | Would You rather have a good man/woman or a good smoke
NOT AN OPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Having a good man beats a smoke anyday | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 10:38:18 AM | Lady70, I have beed on the other side of that equation. I'm a non-smoker and I have a bad habit of getting involved with smokers. There are lots of things that those smokers have done to minimize the effects. You'll have to find someone who is willing to work with you on this.
Sometimes it becomes a battle of principals, the non-smoker digs their heels in because they don't want to be licking the ash tray and the smoker feels the non-smoker is trying to change them. Don't fall into those traps or it's game over. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 10:47:23 AM | | I smoke, I have smoked for years. I usually only smoke at work or when I'm really stressed out. So if my partner is a non-smoker, they don't have to be around it as much. The problem is too many people see that you smoke and will not continue to get to know you. Smoking as we all know, is bad for your health, but its a choice. Its not who you are, its something you do. Depending on how great the guy or girl, maybe you should think about putting the smokes down. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/12/2007 12:31:31 PM | The only reason I'm doing this, is because I don't want someone to read the post, believe it, and decide that they no longer need to provide a smoke free environment for their children or business or whatever it might be.
Here is a quote from the World Health Organization (WHO)
“Building Public Awareness of Passive Smoking Hazards responds to the evidence in many countries of little or no public awareness of the serious, proven health hazards of passive smoking. This lack of awareness severely hampers advocates who try to persuade governments to decree or enforce smoke-free public places or work sites.”
Here is the link, hopefully POF doesn't block it out,
http://www.paho.org/English/AD/SDE/RA/Guide1a_SecondhandSmoke.pdf
Here is one straight from the WHO
Link
http://www.who.int/tobacco/research/secondhand_smoke/en/index.html
Second hand tobacco smoke
Involuntary (or passive) smoking is the exposure to second-hand tobacco smoke (SHS) which is a mixture of exhaled mainstream smoke and side stream smoke released from a smouldering cigarette or other smoking device (cigar, pipe, bidi, etc.) and diluted with ambient air. Second-hand tobacco smoke is also referred to as "environmental" tobacco smoke (ETS). Involuntary smoking involves inhaling carcinogens and other toxic components that are present in second-hand tobacco smoke.
Article 8 of the WHO Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, adopted by all WHO Member States in May 2003, reads:
“Protection from exposure to tobacco smoke
1. Parties recognise that scientific evidence has unequivocally established that exposure to tobacco smoke causes death, disease and disability.
2. Each Party shall adopt and implement in areas of existing national jurisdiction as determined by national law and actively promote at other jurisdictional levels the adoption and implementation of effective legislative, executive, administrative and/or other measures, providing for protection from exposure to tobacco smoke in indoor workplaces, public transport, indoor public places and, as appropriate, other public places.”
So there you go, second-hand smoke or passive smoking as the WHO calls it, does cause smoking related disease in people that have never smoked if they have been exposed to it enough. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 12:33:02 PM | i smoke he dont
i just dont smoke when im with him and shower before i go and use lots of mints he smoked before hes ok with it , im just respectful that he dont want it around him and he respects i keep it from around him. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 1:40:08 PM | just to follow up on some points made about passive smoking,there is plenty of evidence that nobody has died from passive smoking
see here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1384583/posts
but then governments wouldnt feed us propaganda because its `for our own good`,would they?
thanks
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Posted: 7/12/2007 3:32:28 PM | Cugman, I have dated several non smokers and believe me when I say they never complained about my kisses. Perhaps it is because I am a very considerate smoker.
I always have mints, I don't smoke in their homes or cars. Also I find myself smoking very little when I am with a non smoker. Everyone that comes into my home comments on the fact that it doesn't smell like anyone has smoked. I have air filters, candles etc. And I make sure the house is open to fresh air. But I have received e-mail from men where it was a deal breaker before ever meeting. Their loss.
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Posted: 7/12/2007 3:33:51 PM | cigarettes are 1 of the stinkiest substances on earth. even hours after 1 cig the breath and clothes still reek.
i couldnt date a smoker | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 3:40:20 PM |
just to follow up on some points made about passive smoking,there is plenty of evidence that nobody has died from passive smoking
Nope sorry. If you want I'd be happy to give you SCIENTIFIC sources rather than information from right wing political sites.
One case in point of a person who died from second-hand smoke is my husband. He died of throat cancer, didn't smoke, didn't work with chemicals, but DID hang out in bars after work having coc-ktails with his friends.
His only risk factor for developing throat cancer was second hand smoke. He was the ONLY person in his family to die before the age of 90. He lived 30 plus years fewer than his father who died at the age of almost 96. (He was 64).
This isn't scientific either, but at least it didn't come from a right wing political site with an agenda.
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Posted: 7/12/2007 4:05:17 PM | John, thank you so much for your posting of stats that say 2nd hand smoke does not kill So many people only read stats that confirm what they believe. Open your closed little minds and do some real research on the subject. I had a very good friend who was a nurse at a cancer center for 10 yrs. She stated that 35% of the lung cancer patients were smokers. The other 65% were not smokers or a result of second hand smoke. Everyone of us have a cancer gene in us. You have to look at your family history. If there is a history of breast cancer, then you have a good chance of having breast cancer. In the case of lung cancer the same applies. It's in our DNA.
For myself, I don't have a fear of lung cancer because everyone in my family history were smokers and none of them died from any kind of cancer. At the same time people who do have a history of lung cancer by all means DO NOT SMOKE. But don't be so worried about second had smoke. It's not gonna kill ya. It's all a bunch of propaganda and a good reason to over tax tobacco.
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Posted: 7/12/2007 4:20:35 PM | I feel the need to add, I wish I could stop smoking and one day I will, but only because it is so expensive. But then the cost of products to help you to stop smoking is even more expensive. I never heard about Chantix until this thread. Can someone please tell me what the cost is?
Thank you,
Sunny | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 4:59:38 PM | | One of the posters said $99 for a month. But if you have insurance you can use your copay it is a prescription. Hope that helps. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 5:12:41 PM | Good Golly! There are more weak-arsed sounding excuses from the smokers why they do it, why they can't or won't stop, how it doesn't kill people, how it's a stress relief. I wonder how many of these people claim to be so strong mentally and have inner resources we can only imagine but yet this single thing either defeats them or they're too scared or admittedly weak they don't even try?
When all is said and done if it's someones preference to not date another for this single reason then it sould be perfectly acceptable and not be such a point of contention. Again I say smoking was once upon a time a choice and somehow, for some reason current smokers struggled to overcome their own bodies rejecting that until it became the addiction and habit it is now. I've never had any sympathy or empathy for those who made this choice and hearing the sad tales from them now still doesn't raise any compassion feelings in me.
Yeah there are some smokers that are wonderful people that non-smokers could know and maybe love. You can make a case both ways who should change if a relationship would ever develop between two such people. Should the smoker stop because it's not agreeable or should the non-smoker just accept it, without question because of this potential for such a great love? In the end it will always come to which is more important----it seems quite obvious most smokers think that is the important thing in their life. Before you begin bashing me for my views on this it doesn't matter and never will----I have my preferences and won't change them----very much like the smokers here!! LOL | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 5:30:17 PM | I smoked for 17 long years before I finally kicked it. It wasn't the nagging from family or even my own kids. I kided myself in believing for the longest time that I was a smart/ safe smoker by always smoking outside and never around my kids. But I did finally quit because I wanted to.
As with all addictions, until the addict is ready to quit they are not going to quit. The forecasts of glum and doom for smokers (or any addict for that matter) will not make them quit. No one is gonna quit a habit until they are good and ready. Intervention shows and shock value only goes so far and usually not far enough!!
But me, I would not date a smoker. I can't make him quit, its not my buisness to say. And for me staying or dating a smoker would only lead me back to my own addiction.
As for the OP, he knew you were a smoker when he started dating you. I guess he is expecting to save you from yourself. If you love me you will quit..lol I guess he doesn't understand addiction very well. It's just not about him is it!!! | |
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