| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/12/2007 5:47:52 PM | I have tried datinga a smoker who says he only does it socially and I just couldnt stand it a after a few weeks. I really tried to give it a go but it got to the place where I would hold my breath when we kissed because it smelled and tasted so bad, I knew then it was just not going to work. If I cant enjoy the kiss, no way,lol. What I dont get is people who will shower, put on clean clothes, perfume and then go have a cigarette..whats the point...one cigarette ruins all the good you just did. So no wont date a smoker.
I do agree that if you smoke and he doesnt, hes just not right for you if it bothers him so much. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2007 5:53:12 PM | im a ex smoker for about 8 years now....i quit cold turkey..it was tuff but worth it..i have no real big issues dating a smoker..sure i would rather have them not do it.
i have dated a few smokers...its a bit tuff at times and somtimes they blow it right in your face with out even noticing..lol..i know i did back in the day..hehe .i sure enjoyed my cigs. but i dont miss them at all. after a few months i didnt know why i smoked at all... my message is..dont change unless you really want too or if its very importaint to do so. | |
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Joined: 6/24/2007
Msg: 79 | |
| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/13/2007 5:40:39 AM |
just to follow up on some points made about passive smoking,there is plenty of evidence that nobody has died from passive smoking
see here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1384583/posts
but then governments wouldnt feed us propaganda because its `for our own good`,would they?
thanks
john
Wow people are dumb, probably Mormon’s too.
You know I watched an episode of south park last night were these anti-smoking lobbyist were trying to kill Cartman and prove that it was tobacco smoke that did it so that smoking could be banned in all public places. That is basically what you are saying the WHO and your government is doing.
Now if there was absolutely no proof whatsoever that passive smoking would lead to breast cancer, why would they start banning it in public places.
Not only that, but your right wing web site there is a little out of date. All your information is from 1998, there is even a link from your website directly to a WHO press release that flatly denies your websites claims.
The link that takes you to the abstract of the report, do some additional searching on that site because if you find something from 2002 forward, it’s a much different story.
That one report you and your right wing buddies were able to find isn’t enough to stand on. I would almost wager that the Tobacco industry bribed someone to write the report that way, because it definitely is the exception and not the rule, and many more reports out there from credible scientific sources rebuke this one little report you’ve been able to come up with.
Arrogance and Ignorance, they are a deadly combination. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/13/2007 5:46:49 AM |
I understand that I really do but I simply cant grasp that we totally connect on evry level and he simply put it that he doesnt care how beautiful a lady is he would never date her.I said that there is mints and lots of factors that would not put him around smoke .I guess maybe if he truly liked me then he would support me till i quit smoking in shortter terms guess he doesnt like me in that way at all ......
Maybe hes looking for a non smoker because
a) he doesnt like to have to take on the risk 2nd hand smoking can cause for him personally
b) he doesnt want to have a higher risk of having a partner die from a cigarette related death
As for him not supporting you, I dont think the fact that he refuses to date you because of your habit is not supporting you - in fact you mention you are friends.
Bottom line, mints dont take the smell of cigarettes out of your hair, skin, clothes etc. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/13/2007 5:51:28 AM | Although you didnt ask for this, I noticed you are in Ontario, like me.
I recently found out about this program and though, if you choose to quit, it might be good for you.
http://www.stopstudy.ca/
What is it?
Smoking Treatment for Ontario Patients
What does this study offer you?
You will receive five weeks of Nicotine Replacement Therapy (nicotine gum, patch or inhaler) and brief counselling from a participating community pharmacist, free of charge. After your five weeks of treatment, you will be asked to complete brief online questionnaires to evaluate the effectiveness of this treatment approach.
Am I eligible to participate?
The STOP Study is open to residents of Ontario who are 18 and over, and want to quit smoking using Nicotine Replacement Therapy (patch, gum, or inhaler).
Key thing is: its 100% free | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/13/2007 7:38:21 AM | Sorry, just to follow up on above postings, insurance doesn't cover Chantix in the US. Well unless you have the worlds best insurance but everyone I know who is/was on it had to pay out of pocket because it wasn't covered. That said they were paying approx $140 per month for it. But if you figure out the cost of smokes (some of them smoked a few packs a day) it averages out.
Again if you are ready to quit, you want to take that pill. If you aren't it may not work for you....however, I do not know anyone who has said it didn't work for them. Shit I'm talking myself into it.
Also, to the argument of second hand smoke killing, you have no idea what it was/is that has killed someone without direct evidence. My father just had a football sized tumor removed from his abdomen (it was cancer) and he has never smoked, drank or done anything that wasn't uber healthy his entire life. He doesn't go to bars and doesn't sit around smokers, but I'm guessing someone will find a way to tell me that's what gave him the cancer.
Bottom line, people get cancer and it has nothing to do with smoke, and people get cancer from smoking. It's not that hard to understand folks. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/13/2007 9:50:38 AM | ^ ^ ^ ^ I have plain old Federal Employee Blue Cross/Blue Shield standard option; nothing fancy. It's in our forumlary:
http://www.caremark.com/portal/asset/feprx_drug_list48.pdf
Course I would never go near a cigarette or cigarette smoke.
As far as your father goes, not EVERY cancer is related to cigarette smoking. However, once you have cancer, smoking or hanging around people who smoke will significantly worsen your prognosis.
So if you're going to continue to smoke, please don't do it around your dad.
I hope he has a curable disease and that his health improves soon.
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/13/2007 10:03:27 AM | | I will not date a smoker, at least not in any serious compacity. I can't stand the residual smell. | |
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Joined: 6/24/2007
Msg: 85 | |
| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/13/2007 10:27:14 AM | miss allison
I heard of this, my problem is I don't like nicotine substitutes, I prefer to get the body off of it as soon as possible. Plus I've already started to quit. Today has been the first day of my.... hmm.... what is it now.... probably 13th attempt at quitting.
This thread didn't bring it on, I'm using Zyban and have been taking it since Monday. Apparently the pharmacist new what he was talking about, quitting on the 5th day instead of the 6th or 7th seems to be working a lot better. I haven't snapped or yelled at anyone yet today.
I'm definitely feeling the cravings, as good as Zyban is, it doesn't get rid of everything, so you still need will power, so far my will power has been holding up for the last 5 hours. Not one smoke yet today. But it's not easy and I'm supposed to be drinking with friends tonight, I'm already scared about slipping up once I get some booze into me.
Plus I think half of them smoke.
You know what else I've heard? Eeither Health Canada or the Ontario Ministry will be doing this. They are supposedly going to start paying people to quit smoking. If you make it through and they can confirm through a doctor you have quit, you'll get paid a substantial amount of money. I guess they figure a few hundred bucks now is cheaper than the tens of thousands they'll spend on you later through health care. I should have waited, I could have gotten paid to go through this lol. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2007 11:04:36 AM | Ok....but there's nothing plain or old about FEDERAL EMPLOYEE insurance. I'm talking about people who work for "the man" with typical insurance. Also since most of the people I work with are "self" employed because of the fact that we are full commission our insurance blows for lack of a better term.
And I'm aware that not every cancer is related to smoking that was the point I was making is that he wasn't around smoke (I do not smoke around my dad, I don't even live near him).
He's fine now, still a little sick but he's getting better. Just so you know that was the whole point of explaining that it's not all about the cigs. :) | |
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Posted: 7/13/2007 11:28:29 AM | A little insight as to why some non smokers refuse to date a smoker, coming from a personal view of course.
I exercise regularly and eat healthily. I plan to ride his bus till the wheels fall off. I'll be damned if I bust my behind keeping my shell in tip top shape to be healthy and capable at 60, only to be stuck with a childhood sweetheart attached to an oxygen tank, blowing smoke out of the hole in her neck, and cant walk up the block with me without having cardiac arrest because she smoked all her life and denied her lungs the precious oxygen they need to live. Inhaling that addictive cell destroying substance just to exhale it back out will never make sense to me. But that is just me, and this is MY bus.
You should figure out what's more important to you, the potential benefits of a possible mate that you can vibe with AND your health beyond the next two weeks or the pack of smokes in your pocket that has no benefit beyond the 2 minute satisfaction each stick gives you. That's for you to figure out. Whatever you do, don't do it for him, do it for you. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/13/2007 12:52:08 PM |
Also since most of the people I work with are "self" employed because of the fact that we are full commission our insurance blows for lack of a better term.
I work for myself also, but my deceased husband worked for the federal government. I'm covered under the survivor benefit plan.
However, the BC/BC under the federal government doesn't even have dental coverage. There used to be a better plan, but it was discontinued. Standard is all we can get now.
If you work for IBM, or some other large corporation, my guess is you could get better under their cafeteria plan.
Glad your dad's doing better.
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/13/2007 4:05:10 PM | Well I read just about all of these posts and is Insurance really the problem???cmon. A carton of cigarettes is $40+ you will recoup your money. I happen to be in Health Care and 95% of my patients who have lung nodules either smoke or have smoked. Yes there are always going to those who contacted the disease some other way. But smoking definitely causes cancer. And if you have to have surgery the healing process is definitely difficult.
Anyway this is not about money or insurance it's about a hard habit to break. I smoked I know, it took 5 years before I quit thinking about cigarettes. 10 before I could consider myself a non smoker. Still have dreams where I smoke and wake up and say ah thank God it was only a dream. It's not that I wouldn't date a smoker , I couldn't date a smoker..... | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/13/2007 4:13:36 PM | | It's deluded and unfair of a smoker to even QUESTION why a non-smoker wouldn't want to date them. Whether it's health reasons, or disgust at the habit and its associated smells/tastes, there's not a single reason why a non-smoker should have to justifify their decision. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/13/2007 6:05:18 PM | | I would use it as an excellent opportunity to do something wonderful for yourself. Not only would you be caring about yourself and improving your health into the future, but you'd also be showing immense respect to this person you're interested in. Additionally, you'd be giving yourself the chance to have a good relationship with someone that you likely won't have with that particular person if you continue your habit. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/13/2007 6:15:04 PM | Of course we've had the same issues; it's the first thing I look at on a profile; well, perhaps the second thing. In fact, I think the non-smokers are the same way. With my luck, however, I'll quite, find that perfect one, and she'll smoke, lol. Oh cruel world, lol...
Here's an idea. Since everyone tries to change everyone else they meet, let's all date opposites and improve the world... perhaps nice people will eliminate aholes in the process, lol... nahhh | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/13/2007 8:32:02 PM | There are far worse vices. Personally I like a good Fuente or most cameroons, I keep my humidor well stocked. Mmmmmm. Now that's the sh!t. Goes good with Courvoisier Cognac or Johnny Walker Black.
ONLY in moderation. Im an athelete but a sweet vice is nice. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/13/2007 10:44:47 PM | Anything that Anyone can do to quit smoking, go for it, Including having your lungs removed!!
Seriously, its worse than Heroin but the bennies of getting off that stuff are so great and so varied.
Here's one I wasn't aware of :
We all know an older smoker who fits the descriptive word "Doddering" right ? Many times if they can get off the killer weed, they will regain much mental alertness, personality etc... what is happening is that the red blood cells prefer CO to O, (Carbon Monoxide, Oxygen), and when we age, the ability of our blood cells to carry O is reduced further. In effect, elderly smokers are often in a state of partial asphyxia. They are asphyxiating / suffocating themselves.
I saw this in action first hand with my Mom. She was a regular in the Hospital with pneumonia (smoking compromises respiratory health in such a way as to make infection easier too....) .... finally she was Hospitalized long enough to break the habit (no smoking allowed in Hospital)... and a miracle happened: My Mom came back to me ! She was once again the bright, intelligent, personable, clever, conversational woman who raised me! As a further benefit, she has outlived the Doctors' estimate for her COPD condition too! | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/15/2007 4:43:37 AM | | Well, I have to say for me smoking is the biggest turn-off. You can win the beauty contest, but if you are a smoker I am simply not interested. | |
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| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/15/2007 6:22:47 AM | | It's a bad idea for non smokers to date smokers. I tried. I never said a word to her about quitting and did not do anything to make her feel guilty about smoking, figuring this would be the best tact since what smoker does not already know the negatives of smoking? She was a chain smoker, probably 2 packs a day. She decided to quit and I was her incentive. Yes, her insurance covered Chantix (a lady with whom I work was also covered) and she tried it and did not quit. Then I got the "let's be friends" line even though things were going well. Why? I can only surmise that she loved her addiction more than she liked me and I represented having to quit smoking for her. Never again. Only non smokers from now on for this kid. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2007 6:28:35 AM |
I guess maybe if he truly liked me then he would support me till i quit smoking in shortter terms .... how about if you really truly liked him, YOU would just quit? | |
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Posted: 7/15/2007 6:47:04 AM | | When I first met my ex I smoked and it became too uncomfortable because he didn't and I was always trying to make sure I didn't smell or taste like smoke. So I made the decision to quit and I did it cold turkey for 11 years. Once I quit I realized all my attempts to not smell or taste like an ashtray were futile. I went back and apologized to all my friends and family who didn't smoke for all my years of being the "courteous smoker" (thats an oxymoron) around them and abusing their air and noses. Hey OP use this as a motivator if nothing else to get you to quit a nasty and unhealthy habit. Good Luck to you. (smiles) | |
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Joined: 5/13/2007
Msg: 99 | |
| smokers dating non smokers!!!!
Posted: 7/15/2007 7:02:30 AM | | I agree with the never again comment. I also have tried dating someone that smoked. It was the cause of his sexual problems also. He also was a chain smoker and the doctor told him to quit smoking. I asked him what he planned on doing and he said that he thought he might" cut back a little". That told me that he really didn't care that much about me or our relationship. Life is to short to waste time on relationship that will never work. You are much better off not having to breath the smoke and smell it. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2007 7:20:41 AM | I had been a smoker, and then I released it.
It was difficult to do but I am so grateful to be smoke free.
I just do not want to be around it (in my home, car, eating or whatnot.)
Just my personal preference. | |
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