| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 8/22/2007 7:14:17 AM | If South America, Australia, and Africa are anything to go by, we can expect to:
1) Destroy much of the indigenous animal and plant life
2) Try and replace the animal and plant life with our own current methods of farming and animal husbandry
3) Try and convert all the native species to Christianity and Islam, or whatever our religion is
4) Take by force or by corruption, any precious metals that exist on the planet
5) Turn all of their population areas into "banana" republics, run by aggressively militaristic despots
6) Kill off a lot of the natives by giving them our diseases
7) Kill off more by turning them to alcoholism and drugs
8) Use them as slaves, as non-humans are not covered by Anti-Slavery Laws, and only include them after 100-200 years of enforced slavery
9) Turn their attractive upper-class women into prostitutes
10) Force them into small, desert-climate resevervations "for their own good".
If you ask me, leave them well enough alone. We have more than enough resources on this planet alone, to keep going for over a hundred years. If we don't have enough here, it is because we are squandering what we have.
Whey should we squander other planets as well?
Better to wait, until we sort out our own insecurities and selfish behaviour, and THEN contact them.
That is why, if any interstellar races do exist and have found Earth, that they have not made a massive global announcement. Our countries don't act like children. Our countries act like rapists. Who wants to be friends with a rapist? I don't. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 8/22/2007 1:20:37 PM | LanSir wrote: "we humans are notorious for ignoring our own ideals, for the short term personal gains to ourselves"
This is so true, so univerally true of most every human endeavour.
The proof positive that there are intelligent lifeforms in the Universe,
is that none of them have tried to contact us. They are probably aware of us, know us, have seen us, and are very much the wiser for avoiding us. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 8/29/2007 12:54:14 AM | | There is no intelligent life in this galaxy,the thought of possible action is moot. One would have to travel to another galaxy, which could take hundreds or millions of years, if travelling at the speed of light. Next topic. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 8/31/2007 11:52:43 PM |
Posted By: covergirl00936
There is no intelligent life in this galaxy,the thought of possible action is moot. One would have to travel to another galaxy, which could take hundreds or millions of years, if travelling at the speed of light. Next topic.
Not once we discover worm holes, then it'll only take minutes to travel to another galaxy  | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 9/1/2007 12:35:03 PM | I figure that it ALWAYS about available resources. If we have plenty and our neighbour has plenty then, idiotic ideologies and cultures of insecurity aside, we're golden. If we are both hurting however, we are going to be set into competition for what available resources there are... and thats when morality and aesthetics really begin to take a back seat to necessity and whatever gets the job done; at which point things can get very ugly.
Presumably, a people capable of interstellar travel would have their stuff together, and have plenty of resources at their disposal. Why pillage a planet with sentient life, when there are likely to be many other planets that contain the resources you need and no sentient life? If you could reach the one, why not the others? | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 9/29/2007 7:15:49 AM | Great post Scorpio
I would however like to draw attention to one thing. All those destroyed peoples...were also humans. Sometimes we speak in ways that brings out the subconscious thought processes that we as white anglo saxons are the HUMANS and the indigenous cultures are NATIVES.
I'd like to point out that many humans - non industrialised humans, have and still do live in ways that dont mess up their planet and would be highly unlikely to colonise other planets. Why would they when they have what they need to live on this one? No greed. Enough is plenty.
I think we need to draw the distinction between destructive practises and a destructive and warring species. If the destructive practise people managed to get off the planet (and no doubt some will) then I have no doubt they will repeat the process outlined above.
It is their abject refusal to adapt to their environment ,and their nasty habit of making the environment adapt to how they like it to be, that will bring on the same set of problems.
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 9/29/2007 11:04:44 AM | | If men are from mars and women are from venus, then who's your favorate astronomer/geo-astronomer/celestial mechanic? Carl Sagan is/deceased, Albert Einstien is/deceased, Bill Nuy (the science guy) is/deceased, Eugene Shoemaker is/deceased, David Levy is/stroke-retired i think, Carolyn Shoemaker is/alive-70's-ish-not retired, Neil DeGrasse Tyson is/middle-aged-not retired, Robin Canup is/not yet middle-aged-not retired. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 9/29/2007 1:33:58 PM | I was reading a book some time ago that talked about space travel and the issue of planets simply being to far away for us to travel there with technology. They proposed that the ability to do so was a combination of internal and external technology.
The ability to aport and levitation. I hope i got those right as i no longer have the book. I was interested in it as i had taken a course called the flower of life and they talked about something similar so i thought it would be an interesting read. I think we are a long way off in being able to combine our internal technology with external.
And i think thats a good thing as we can't even treat our own species on earth with respect. Maybe this is what is holding us back from evolving to the point of being able to do what we think is impossible. In any event i think its a good thing.
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 9/29/2007 4:26:41 PM | | Luckily the questions will never come up since if we actually ever achieve or get close to achieving faster then light travel it in our current state of mind the Galactic Councel will bomb us to the stone age. Not in my back yard. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 9/30/2007 7:28:32 AM | all I got to say is they are not human so good bye to them they dont deserve to exist we will slaughter kill them and take thier planet why because in the long run its best for humanity we will destroy any other species we come across. hell some people on this planet dont consider other races people so why would they think the giant crab people from planet x have any right to exist.
If they cant leave their planet and we can they are striaght out ****ed we can just stand off and bomb the crap out of them and they cant touch us we could slam a giant meteor into thier planet without delcaring war we could kid nap one and then create a bio weapon on them. We would erase their biosphere and put ours there why because we can eat our food we might not be able to eat thier plants and animals.
Sorry its a horrible universe we will do what is needed to make our species survive.
and if planets our limited in what we can survive on then the competition will get worse. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 9/30/2007 11:15:23 AM | Someone said that there is no other intelligent life in the Universe so the point is moot. I have to say that is utterly ridiculous. The Universe is far too vast to make a silly statement like that.
It's like saying "I know that no one else in the Universe is crying right now."
Easy to say, but logic dictates that it is true. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 9/30/2007 11:43:13 AM | If history is anything to go by, we will probably colonize them.
Should we interfere?
As soon as we make contact, we probably have interfered.
Should we expose ourselves to them as a race from another planet?
Why wouldn't we?
Should we pretend we are "god" and bedazzle them with technology?
You are assuming that they hold some kind of belief system. What if they never heard of the concept of god?
Should we share our technology?
How are we going to colonize these aliens if we put them on an equal footing with us? Who will work the salt mines ??
Should we experiment on them?
We should study them, yes. If we keep running experiments on them, who will work the salt mines ??
Should we just pillage the planet and destroy all intelligent indigenous life to make way for mass colonization of humans?
We can do mass colonization without having to destroy them, remember those salt mines..
Or just observe them from a distance?
That would be the first step. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 10/1/2007 3:54:56 PM | A lot of those questions have been asked before....try watching Star Trek.
The Prime Directive could go a long ways towards keeping us on a moral basis that would block those who wish to make themselves some quick riches.
It would depend totally on what their level of technology was/is. We could easily "tap into" their communications signlas if they had sattelites in orbit. Our own radio and TV transmissions have been hurling away form our planet for 50+years...no doubt junking up the space they travel through. But it would allow us to study them, learn their languages and cultures. Perhaps go to the point of meeting with their top level people, and allowing them to decide if their people were ready to accept the idea of having neighbours.
Maybe they'll figure we'd make good lab animals, or pets.
Maybe we'd decide that they didn't count for much and leave them some "protected areas" (read reservations) for them to live on.
It would all depend on them. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 10/6/2007 12:59:24 PM | I think all would depend on how much light sweet crude they had and how much it would cost to transport it back here. :)
Seriously though, the answer is that we would do the same as we do when we discover something new here. What we did would most likely have more to do with, could we do it and, would we have a reason to do it?
The interference thing would most likely not be considered at all because we would have to encounter said culture first and realize some negative reason for interference to decide to avoid any particular interference in the future. We sure wouldn't go all that way and just say, "Hmmmm. Look at that and just leave. I am saying the first time, we would interfere and we might come away thinking, "Oops. We shouldn't have done that!" ...And it might be because of the way it affected us rather than them.
I liked the way the question was addressed in the movie "Contact." Someone said, "What if these aliens saw humanity as nothing but an ant hill of little interest and had no reason to harm us?" The reply was, "So would we feel any guilt if we went to the middle of Africa and destroyed an ant hill there?"
Same applies in this proposed scenario. We would have little reason to harm them but on the other hand, who is gong to slap our hands if we did? | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 10/6/2007 1:00:45 PM | I think all would depend on how much light sweet crude they had and how much it would cost to transport it back here. :)
Seriously though, the answer is that we would do the same as we do when we discover something new here. What we did would most likely have more to do with, could we do it and, would we have a reason to do it?
The interference thing would most likely not be considered at all because we would have to encounter said culture first and realize some negative reason for interference to decide to avoid any particular interference in the future. We sure wouldn't go all that way and just say, "Hmmmm. Look at that and just leave. I am saying the first time, we would interfere and we might come away thinking, "Oops. We shouldn't have done that!" ...And it might be because of the way it affected us rather than them.
I liked the way the question was addressed in the movie "Contact." Someone said, "What if these aliens saw humanity as nothing but an ant hill of little interest and had no reason to harm us?" The reply was, "So would we feel any guilt if we went to the middle of Africa and destroyed an ant hill there?"
Same applies in this proposed scenario. We would have little reason to harm them but on the other hand, who is gong to slap our hands if we did? | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 10/8/2007 12:37:52 PM | Ok so we can now go and visit another planet with some form of intelligent life. Cool. I would like to think we would do as the UFOs are doing with us. Just watch fora very long time. eventually we would screw up and crash one or more craft on the planet then work hard to make sure the mess was so confusing nobody on that Planet could agree if there really was " others out there watching them.
Now more time goes on and what do you Know. this new planet does not know Jesus. Well we would have to do something about that. After all how can this planet be saved if they don't know Jesus and The Bible?  | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 10/8/2007 1:25:38 PM | I think we should build a giant Mc Donalds, have half the planet working for it...and us not paying much for fake cows from another planet.... of course you have to make them believe in demi-gods like Ronald the Mighty Donald and Hamburglar the Irate, just so they don't decide to rebel in regards to their salary (if any), the you promise them advancements and give them title and roles in the Donald's hierarchy... ....why don't people beliebe me when im dserious....brrraegh...hic  | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/2/2008 8:02:58 PM | | The aliens and they taught us things and we taught them things Only thing I would have to say is ....we all are different colors but we only fight over money and power....what else is there ..if they can teach us union and love , it would be to where they would come out and show themselves but for now ..theres too many differences for them and they only show the ones who seek the answer to life itself . If we were to go to another planet, we would want to come home . Theres no answer out there for us.... it's right here all along. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/2/2008 8:10:24 PM | | The aliens and they taught us things and we taught them things Only thing I would have to say is ....we all are different colors but we only fight over money and power....what else is there ..if they can teach us union and love , it would be to where they would come out and show themselves but for now ..theres too many differences for them and they only show the ones who seek the answer to life itself . If we were to go to another planet, we would want to come home . Theres no answer out there for us.... it's right here all along. We have the technology to travel to any planet so get a grip ....we do have the craft and tech . They say were too slow in the mind to understand that it would blow our minds cause of the religions ect and beliefs ...but we do...do....have the tech to cure cancer We have it all now. Just not enough intelligent people to handle the thought. We are over populated. But then again if we knew this tech ...it would end alot of suffering.. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/2/2008 9:06:34 PM | hmm, interesting./ just to bad ppl cldn't head on over to the depot and head to..../ ohh, pick-a-planet.
the tech IS here , i agree. /
what "they say" doesn't work 4 me, in my mind...../ or others, i don't think anyways. i am intelligent enough to " handle it."
i'm just trying to remember which yr. the cure for cancer was discovered tho?? and by who??
the religions?? do u mean the catholics/ the vatican?? or all in general??
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