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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/4/2008 8:11:07 PM | | If we go there, they're toast, unless they outsmart us, out-trade us, buy all our government bonds and end up owning our planet as well as theirs; but I think it's most likely they're going to be toast. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/5/2008 3:17:30 PM | hmmm, well....seems throughout time, their are people who have claimed to have recollections of being abducted by these little creatures, and weather it's true or not, apparantely ......Doctors have removed inplants, / tracking?/ objects from humans??
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:30:43 PM | Someone mentioned there is no intelligent life in the galaxy. This might be true. Given the age of the galaxy, the number of stars in it, and the number of planets we are now finding around those stars, it seems to me that an intelligent civilization would have gone out and populated the entire galaxy long before the beginnings of life were established on Earth.
So, either they already have and will likely control any efforts humans might make to venture out, or humans are the first.
If humans are the first, and we were to discover another arising civilization, I think it is likely our decision makers, claiming self-preservation, would exterminate it preemptively, to prevent them from eventually doing the same to us. Or perhaps we'll simply be the benevolent rulers who will manipulate their culture to insure they never leave home.
So, are we be manipulated now, by a civilization that should of, given the number of planets in our galaxy, arisen a billion years ago? Are these clashes of culture on Earth simply a well worn script written long ago, and used on a thousand worlds before, to stunt the growth of an intelligent race and keep them fighting among themselves so that they will advance only so far, and no further? It would be easy to do. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:44:18 PM | Written by Hank, I would like to think that by the time humanity was capable of traveling through space and meeting new lifeforms, it would be intelligent enough to wish to pool strengths for a greater purpose than to eradicate or condemn those lifeforms. 
I imagine we have grown in that direction already. If we traveled back 2000 years and told them we culture harmful bacteria on purpose, protect endangered species we once hunted, and aspire to invent aids for both the mentally and physically handicapped, they'd think we were naive freaks wasting our time. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/5/2008 10:30:47 PM | Written by Hank, I would like to think that by the time humanity was capable of traveling through space and meeting new lifeforms, it would be intelligent enough to wish to pool strengths for a greater purpose than to eradicate or condemn those lifeforms.
Well, I certainly would not advocate the extermination of an entire planet. But I do believe there are some who might.
Suppose we were to suddenly pick up random television broadcast from a planet a mere ten light-years away. And suppose we learn, from watching the broadcast, they hold certain beliefs sacred. We also learn that a few of their citizens don't hold these same beliefs and when found out, are put to death. They are far more advanced than us and at some point very soon, they will discover us.
We don't know how they will react to learning there is another planet, where the entire population does not believe as they do. Now suppose, we could build a rocket that will send a war-head containing a virus that, if released into their atmosphere, will kill every one of them. They haven't discovered us, yet. Perhaps, in two-hundred years, they will have passed this current cultural hurdle, and develop into very peaceful and beneficial neighbors. But, it will take close to two hundred years for our missile to get there. Should we fire it off or not? Do we take the chance of not sending the missile, knowing the possibility exists that should these neighbor's mark us for death, they would be technologically capable of following through. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/5/2008 10:49:18 PM | Yeah, my analogy in another topic was that if the universe were a store and it were open for 10 years, we've only been in it for a few minutes. Other customers have probably came and left already.  | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/6/2008 9:13:21 PM |
vancer....by that time.....there might not be anything for sale anymore!!...horders!!
Did you notice the colour Gleehp was missing too?
I still wonder what was so special about that colour that they had to take it with them.
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/6/2008 9:49:37 PM | Let's put the hypothetical planet into more anthromorphic perspective:
Consider an island civilization, never exposed to outside cultures: one day a ship appears on the horizon, and then newcomers arrive in strange watercraft, propelled by mysterious means.
Are they Spanish Conquistadores?
Arab Slave traders?
Dutch Spice Merchants?
Admiral Dewey on the way to Manila?
The US Pacific Fleet on the way to fight at Midway?
The newest US supercarrier group?
Who knows what political and/or economic culture will have evolved by the time we have the ability to move among the stars to distant worlds? It could be our Grand Space Fleet exercising our military might, merchant traders looking to swindle the ignorant savages, missionaries preaching The Word of Bruce Almighty, academics looking for alien cultures to study...
But if history teaches us anything-
They're toast. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/6/2008 9:55:10 PM | I guess I am an optimist in thinking a species that manages interstellar space travel only did so because they managed to exist adhering to laws of conservation and achieving progress only while upholding an equilibrium.
Maybe we can prove my idealistic theory naive, by managing interstellar space travel while still doing what we are doing to each other and our homeworld. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/6/2008 10:09:34 PM |
They're toast.
Or we might be, if they find us, first.
I think the likely prime consideration, if an alien civilization is ever discovered, will be: are they now, or could they at some time in the future, be a threat? And if they could or might be, what to do about it.
It is just as likely, an alien civilization, once discovering us, will be thinking along the same lines; perhaps more so, once having a look at our television and news broadcasts. Hell, all they need do is watch one episode of Survivor and they'd likely began construction of a doomsday machine to send our way, the very next day. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/6/2008 10:27:38 PM | Oh my goodness. So the poster who said Reality Television would be our undoing actually was seeing into the future.
*shakes fist a Real TV*
Although I wonder if aliens would be smart enough to know it's highly edited to be something it's not, despite many of our kind not knowing that yet. Plus the aliens could see we actually make fun of Real TV in shows like SNL and MadTV. lol | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/7/2008 2:33:24 AM | Stupid humans - Ha - They will never make it to another planet before they blow this one up. We 'aliens' have nothing to worry about.
When the aliens come - they will eat all the fat people first. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/7/2008 2:52:14 AM | we are preparing to pillage and destroy Mars if we can.
when they talk about "perhaps there was life once on Mars"
they are talking about basic life
basic life like protoplast and "protoplants" like the types of simple algae
which is to say that they want to see if possibly their is oil under the surface
free market driving the exploitation of space
why not
it has all of the normal prerequisites for being viable for abuse in the free market
from the horse drawn cart to the sail barge on to rail roads .... the government devised them and the merchants utilized them.
do you think that we would have left the moon alone if it had proved to yield any useful raw material that was good for industrial purposes or had a worthwhile financial value? | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/7/2008 2:56:57 AM | Beaugrand.....i hope ....earth History has taught us.......enough/ in that direction,,,,,,,,,,i still say, let's observe them first......in their "natural habitat" and see what would be best for all life-form involved.
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/8/2008 2:17:09 PM | Um...what most of y'all have completely ignored is that we already have the tech and we've simply not used it.
We could have sent a manned exploration vessel to Mars back in 1978, it got cancelled. Mostly because we had very little idea of how to get the intrepid explorers BACK to earth...of course, there are more than likely a few thousand people who would happily volunteer right now to go to Mars and start exploring & terraforming it even if they had to die there. Most would only ask that regular shipments of water & food (MRE's would work) until such time as the colony became sustainable on its own.
Problem is, nobody could count on even the US Gov't to steadily sustain such efforts. The only way I can see it working is like this:
1. Fire off two unmanned atlas-sized rockets (filled with MRE's, water, & O2) one after the other set to land at the same location.
2. Land the mission next to the two expended rockets and hope they landed alright.
3. Use the leftovers from those rockets plus whatever they brought with them to build the initial outpost.
4. Continue to send large rockets periodically with the basic materials to continue building on Mars.
Unless we got extremely lucky and could breathe relatively well in Martian atmosphere, we'ed be stuck in domes & caverns built under & between the domes. Eventually we would have enough area terraformed underground to make the requisite amounts of 02 needed for sustainable life. But we're talking several CENTURIES of hard work & sacrifice...which I currently find to be near-impossible at this particular time in our history. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/8/2008 4:04:58 PM | The latest Mars exploration scheme I read about involved sending an automated probe in advance of the manned mission; the probe would land and begin manufacturing fuel for the trip home. This is known as "Mars Direct," published in 1990. It's doable, and not outrageously expensive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Direct | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/8/2008 4:33:58 PM |
If we had the ability to travel to another planet we could screw up that planet, too!
You should watch the movie, Mars, the Red Planet. It basically states that we are from another planet and forgot that. I don't find it that hard to disprove, actually. Seems possible and maybe even likely in terms of explaining some of the great mysteries like the pyramids.
I wrote a short story not to long ago that incorporated the idea that Humans evolved on a planet in our solar system, but not Earth originally. There's enough mass for a Earth sized planet in the Kuiper Belt and a moon or three.
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I imagine if a military space craft approached a planet, scanned the surface and found primitive humanoid life. The commander of the ship would send back to HQ for a survey team, or if they have one on board, send down the survey team. Once it was cleared that we could walk the surface without being infected by a pathogen, resource collection teams would move down. Most likely they'd build a cheap fence around the areas their working in and just leave the locals to stare through it and wonder of what the heck is going on. Just like we do to animals here on Earth, no direct harming, but if the equipment does blame it on something else. | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/9/2008 12:48:51 PM | As the dominant species in this solar system it behooves us to tame each planet that we can. We need some more "Elbow Room"!!
Screw all this preservation crap. We need the room we would get from terraforming Mars for the benefit of humanity. B'sides, it'll give us a second chance when one of those big asteroids makes direct contact with earth again... | |
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| If humans had the ability to travel to another planet
Posted: 6/15/2008 10:00:01 AM | We won't be allowed to leave earth, until we improve ourselves, just cause we can make technology, doesnt mean we are intelligant, we are lacking in every other aspect, just cause we can buy things that intelligant people make doesn't make us intelligant.
Humans are full of bad habbits, as a whole, long as that doesn't change, we wont be allowed in space to harm other things. | |
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