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Posted: 6/26/2005 8:50:24 AM | | Buno: you and I don't agree on everything, but I DO appreciate Canada and it's support for the HUMAN BEINGS who live in this country (the USA). Our citizens ought to listen more to reflections from your side of the border... beyond the hysteria and polarization.... | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 9:01:15 AM | As a Candian I would like to say I support your troops and hope they all come home safely.
It's the Government that sent them there that I have an issue with.
Best of Luck People.
Thanks Rugbyguy. We share the same sentiments. It really frustrates me when supporters of the war try to play the "how could you not support our troops?!" card. It's nice to see clarity between the two.
bottom line is you can leave. you may get in trouble, but i would rather get in trouble than kill someone over nothing. its a matter of morals.
Snowboardnut... How could they all be so silly? Why aren't those troops hopping the 5:30 express straight to Hackensack?
Generally, when one enters the military, it isn't under the pretense of "sure I'll fight, as long as I agree with every order that I'm given." To suggest that is to suggest chaos.
what im saying is that the only wars we actually need to fight are the ones with a valid reason behind them.
I agree... but "valid" is subjective. Obviously, there are a LOT of people who believe, or at least used to believe, that this was "valid." Blaming the troops for what is going on is misguided, in my opinion. Blame the voters. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 9:32:11 PM | Thank you OP for bringing this to our attention, and Thank You POF for affording me a chance to share my experiences.
I'm was a SFC In the US Army and a Vietnam Vet with 18 years service. Any Vietnam Vet knows how a soldiers feels before, during, and after combat.
Therefore US Army is kind of my baby, my pride and joy so to speak.
As a Senior NCO, one of the things that was really disheartening for me, was mail call. As the 1SG released formation he would holler "Mail Call". Most soldiers would gather around him, waiting to hear their name called.
You would see some soldiers walk away without even waiting to see if their name was called. I would stop to think, he knows he has no mail. I would wonder, he has no parents, no relatives, no girlfriend.
And then you watch the ones that ran to the 1SG, and as the last piece is pasted out, you see several soldiers walk away with their heads hung down low. Knowing they were hoping to hear from someone, and didn't. Just anybody, so he would know that he has not been forgotten. So he would know that someone cares, about what he is going though, so far away from home.
I have found that I made the same mistake, as so many others. I have bought flags to hang from my car. I have bought stickers to stick in my window.
Just recently I reflected on my son being in Desert Storm. And I remembered, I wrote him while he was fighting. But I probably didn't write him enough. Because I was glued to CNN, worried to death. Those with loved ones don't write as often a they should,and I can not fault them because I was in their shoes too.
So my point is, we can wear red on Fridays. We can fly our flags. We can tie yellow ribbons on our trees. But if you really want to show your support to a soldier, write him or her. Don't let a soldier die for his country, and no one from his country wrote him. There are all kinds of horrible ways a soldier can die, but I imagine dyeing and feeling nobody cares, has got to be the hardest way to go.
If you do not know some one in combat, ask a relative, a friend, the church bulletin board, the news paper, or check the web,
Yahoo has 9,950,000 sites under- write a soldier. However, do not put "To Any Soldier" on your envelope. I have read one site that said they discard mail addressed as such.
Then invite them to join us on POF upon their return "on the Freedom Bird."
For the Ladies:
GI's love it when they get a letter and it has the smell of perfume on it.
PS: One other thing I've noticed here on POF; interests in profiles cover the spectrum skiing, cooking, reading; but Support Our Troops, is not one. I know it is not POFs' doing ,it's only a program waiting for a response .
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Posted: 1/17/2007 5:57:30 PM | I support troops everywhere by opposing all their senseless deaths......
cheers | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 4:46:50 PM | acburbank97 wrote on 05/06/06:
… when this democracy succeeds, you may see a dominoe effect in the middle east. Do you think there is never any cost?
I think having a Muslim Democracy set up in the Persian Gulf reason is a pretty good reason to finish the job also...
I'm beginning to think that Bush may be judged more fairly with time, our history is full of these type of Presidents. If a stable democracy in the Muslim world results from this, he definitely will. I think he did state that he made the best judgement he could with the intelligence he had at the time. Just glad we have a Pres who will make some tuff decisions, and yes I KNOW what a quality person he is first hand, and I'll leave it at that.
O5/07/06
The MARKET controls prodution, along with refining capacity, not Bush or anyone else...get a clue... Another believer of "Muslim Democracy" ... not another post about it since the thread started ... have to wonder if he's wearing red on Fridays while the lies are slowly exposed. Anyhooooo ...
OT ...
datcutieliz wrote:
You will feel better all day Friday when you wear Red!
Let's get the word out and lead by example; wear RED on
Fridays.
I support troops everywhere by opposing all their senseless deaths...... I will be doing the same ... I simply OPPOSE all their senseless deaths.
No need to wear RED ...
PS ... I don't like that color anyways ... RED that is.
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Posted: 1/18/2007 5:04:25 PM | | This is a tough issue for many. I think the best way to support troops is to keep them at home. While obviously this is not always possible in the world...there should come a time where the people say enough is enough. Democracy in the middle east. the last time Iran elected a democratic government the CIA toppled it and installed the Shaw. The best way to support your troops is to learn history and through doing so not enable the government to usethe same lies over and over to get support for war. Peace | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 5:53:41 PM | Who fights in wars? people! Imagine if there was a war and nobody showed up!
Remember, the ones that declare war never fight in the wars they create. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 8:56:29 PM | Thanks to all of you that do support us. I am departing in two weeks for Afghanistan for a 6 month tour again and it is nice to see that the majority support us as we do what is asked of us no matter what, that is our job and duty. Thats what we signed up to do. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2007 11:22:38 PM |
I think the best way to support troops is to keep them at home.
Personally, I couldn't agree with this more.
How about those of us who support our troops and want to bring them home wear white on Fridays? | |
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Posted: 1/19/2007 7:47:38 AM | I have mixed feelings about whether or not we should be in Afghanistan. On the one hand, these men and women are doing what they have been trained to do and are making a difference in the lives of the people there. I proudly support their efforts and dedication. On the other hand, they are fighting a battle that cannot be won and we are losing good men and women in the process. I don't know what the answer is but I continue to support our troops, if not the mission.
I have a number of friends who will be leaving for Afghan in February and will be praying that all of our troops return home safely.
BTW: I'm wearing red today! | |
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Posted: 1/19/2007 9:15:36 AM | | i dont think our troops need any support, is our goverment that needs it | |
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Posted: 1/20/2007 4:45:50 AM | I thought that was what "support the troops" really meant "support the policy" or "support the politicians".
News flash-Soliders do what they are ordered to do, up to and including killing and/or being killed. Blindly supporting any conflict doesn't do them any good as they will fight and die in worthless causes just the same as they will a legitimate threat to your country's peace and security. In the USA people support war not the troops. Any american questioning any war will have their patriotism questioned.
Talk about a screwed up society. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2007 4:24:24 PM | Sharia Law is what Osama wants, the Subjugation of women, intolerance of outside influences and other sects/religions etc.
wrong. sharia law is what most muslims want - it is law based on the koran. A true election in Iraq will/would probably lead to Shiria - their constitution now is based upon it but we sat over their shoulders as they wrote it and made them water it down. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2007 5:14:08 PM | Re: Msg 53 posted by "Myfirstlove"
That has got to be just about the best post I've seen on this topic! The description of mail call and the soldiers who left with no messages from home really brought home the humanity of the troops over there. Very heartwrenching to think of how a troop must feel, believing that those at home have forgotten him or else don't support him.
Despite our feelings about the misguided goofs who put the troops in harm's way and the non-existent reasons for going into this fiasco, we should still offer our support to the people who are actually over there doing the work. They're just following orders. As someone else pointed out, you can't have soldiers following just the orders they believe are right, otherwise there'd be total chaos.
So yeah, hanging ribbons and all that crap is all very nice, but does it really help the people over there? It surely must be better to send them a card, letter or anything that they can actually hold in their hands, a tangible symbol that someone DOES care.
P.S. Good point about the perfumed letters! As any guy can tell you, getting a scented letter from a girlfriend you haven't seen in a while has quite an effect! Olfactory memory triggers are VERY vivid! | |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 11:43:43 AM | As a Canadian with family members fighting in Afghanistan, I wear red ( my least favourite colour by the way) on Fridays.
I wear red to support the troops.
How ever since many have stated that we should keep our troops at home. It would be so nice to have them home, but when Al Quadea, fully supported by the Taliban, decide to fly jets full of innocent people into buildings full of innocent people, well, those soldiers have a job to do. Stop that from happening again.
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Posted: 2/26/2007 1:02:50 PM |
How ever since many have stated that we should keep our troops at home. It would be so nice to have them home, but when Al Quadea, fully supported by the Taliban, decide to fly jets full of innocent people into buildings full of innocent people, well, those soldiers have a job to do. Stop that from happening again.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-qaeda-terrorism.html
Al-Qaeda's leadership oversees a loosely organized network of cells. It can recruit members from thousands of "Arab Afghan" veterans and radicals around the world. Its infrastructure is small, mobile, and decentralized—each cell operates independently with its members not knowing the identity of other cells. Local operatives rarely know anyone higher up in the organization's hierarchy. We need to see the reality of things ... sending soldiers to anywhere to "kill" Al-Qaeda members is not going to stop anyone from "flying jets full of innocent people into buildings full of innocent people".  
What we need to do is stop trying to push our way of life on those people ... stop trying to push our "beliefs" on them. I can fully understand that they are sick and tired of being told that the god they worship does not exist and the only god to follow is that of the ones the "Western" world believes in.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-qaeda-terrorism.html
The principal stated aims of al-Qaeda are to drive Americans and American influence out of all Muslim nations, especially Saudi Arabia ... topple pro-Western dictatorships around the Middle East.
I see how "indignant" the so-called Christians get over here when it comes to dealing with Atheists or Agnostics ... or anyone for that matter who doesn't share their belief in their god.
How would they like it if every time they turned around it was being shoved at them? We already know ... they get very upset about it. Why is it such a surprise that the people of the Middle East feel the same way about their religious beliefs?
But nooooo ... the "Oil greedy" Westerners just can't leave them alone ... they have to intrude, invade, push their ideas and ideals on those people ... convert them where possible ... anything they can do to get their hands on that OIL.
I have to say I can honestly understand that they are sick and tired of us trying to run their lives ... I just don't understand why others don't get it. That's basically what this is all about. It's a religious war.
They don't need a "country" to fight that from ... they can organize briefly and fight that from anywhere they choose. But our "idiot-maniac-monkey" aka "dubya" aka "Bushco" doesn't get that ... thus we have a "war on terrorism" so he can make money off of this situation. Do you all think for one minute he doesn't put money in his pocket every time another weapon is sold to the military?
FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!! Then ask yourselves why our troops are where they are.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-qaeda-terrorism.html
Al-Qaeda's leadership oversees a loosely organized network of cells. It can recruit members from thousands of "Arab Afghan" veterans and radicals around the world. Its infrastructure is small, mobile, and decentralized—each cell operates independently with its members not knowing the identity of other cells. Local operatives rarely know anyone higher up in the organization's hierarchy.
They really weren't as "organized" as we were led to believe. Of course now that we have invaded a sovereign country, and are greedily going after their oil ... yes they are now getting pretty damn organized and growing in numbers ... they don't want us to invade any other countries while we're at it. Again, why is this such a surprise to everyone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda
In response to the September 11 attacks, the United States government launched a broad military and intelligence campaign, known as the War on Terrorism, with the goal of dismantling al-Qaeda and killing or capturing its operatives. Al-Qaeda does not have a formal structure, but recruits field operatives to work independently in support of its goals.
Due to its lack of formal structure, al-Qaeda's size and degree of responsibility for particular attacks are difficult to establish. While the governments opposed to al-Qaeda claim that it has worldwide reach, other analysts have suggested that those governments, as well as Osama himself, exaggerate al-Qaeda's significance in Islamist terrorism. The neologism "Al-Qaedaism" is applied to the wider context of those who independently conduct similar acts through political sympathy to al-Qaeda ideology or methods or the copycat effect.
Support our troops? Yes ... by all means.
Support sending them out to support the "Westernization" of the Middle East so we can steal their OIL? ... NO!! | |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 1:35:19 PM | I'm also one who distinguishes the difference between supporting the troops, and, supporting the policies that have put them in harms way.
Wearing red is a nice thought, but, it doesn't do anything for those brave young men and women.
How about making damn sure that they are very well looked after, especially the injured and maimed. No excuse whatsoever, for them to be left to live in poverty and despair after having given so much. No excuse for them having to fight for pensions and medical treatment with the gov't that sent them. That it does happen is almost criminal!
They have done their duty, whether or not we agree if it was right for them to be there in the first place. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 7:19:24 PM | +++They're just following orders. As someone else pointed out, you can't have soldiers following just the orders they believe are right, otherwise there'd be total chaos.+++
Yep, that defense worked at Nuremberg | |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 7:24:54 PM | As an ex spouce I always wear red on Friday's...my sons father has been over a few times... I support them 100%...I may not agree with the politicians...BUT...peacekeeping and helping I do support...Think of what the world would be like if we didn't have these brave men and women who were willing to give their lives to save ours!!! | |
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Posted: 2/28/2007 6:06:11 AM | "Support sending them out to support the "Westernization" of the Middle East so we can steal their OIL? ... NO!!"
I've been to the Middle East dozens of times. I've also been to quite a few other countries. I'm currently living in Italy. One thing I do not understand is how we can "Westernize" or "Americanize" another country. If the people of other countries did not want our culture they would not buy it. Trust me they do buy it. They buy american music, movies and clothing. Hey they even buy our cars (god help em). So here's my thought they want the culture or they would NOT buy it. These are the same people that hate us but still wear Levi's and Nike. Go figure. | |
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Posted: 2/28/2007 6:11:25 AM | how would you react if some foreigners invade your country,kill women and children,steal your resources and want you to change your way of living?
i would do the same thing as they are to your weak army
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Posted: 2/28/2007 6:52:22 AM |
If the people of other countries did not want our culture they would not buy it. Trust me they do buy it. They buy american music, movies and clothing. Hey they even buy our cars (god help em). So here's my thought they want the culture or they would NOT buy it. These are the same people that hate us but still wear Levi's and Nike. Go figure.
Puhleeeze????? Tell me that you are only joking???? Do you seriously equate the export of consumer goods, to be an export of culture?
By that logic, anyone who buys products from another country, is considered to be wanting to adopt the culture of the vendor, and forsake their own.
If you wonder why people "hate" you....it might be partially, because of such arrogant attitudes. Get over yourselves already! | |
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Posted: 2/28/2007 8:31:48 AM | Its not really the issue weather or not you support the war in Iraq because many people don't.That said we need to give our men a woman fighting all the support they need . They are doing what there told to do and its what this country has asked them to do like it or not.I have the utmost respect for anyone who puts on the uniform.If it wasn't for our brave people in the military this country would not exist.
Now I'm sure all the left wingers will disagree and probably try to say we need to abolish the military in order to set and example for the rest of the world,after all these are the same kind of people who claim that if we had just talked to Hitler and showed more compassion then he would have seen the light and loved the Jews and all the people he murdered.Thats the kind of thinking that will cause more genicide and killing then can be imagined.The Hollywood crowd and there ilk on the left would be the first ones hanging from lamposts and getting beheadings if our enemies like AL Queda took over,but of course the far left believes American is the problem in the world and things will be perfect once it and its infidels are exterminated. | |
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Posted: 2/28/2007 1:06:14 PM | Reprinted from the Army Times today
Walter Reed patients told to keep quiet
By Kelly Kennedy - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday Feb 28, 2007 13 17 EST
Soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center’s Medical Hold Unit say they have been told they will wake up at 6 a.m. every morning and have their rooms ready for inspection at 7 a.m., and that they must not speak to the media.
“Some soldiers believe this is a form of punishment for the trouble soldiers caused by talking to the media,” one Medical Hold Unit soldier said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
It is unusual for soldiers to have daily inspections after Basic Training.
Soldiers say their sergeant major gathered troops at 6 p.m. Monday to tell them they must follow their chain of command when asking for help with their medical evaluation paperwork, or when they spot mold, mice or other problems in their quarters.
They were also told they would be moving out of Building 18 to Building 14 within the next couple of weeks. Building 14 is a barracks that houses the administrative offices for the Medical Hold Unit and was renovated in 2006. It’s also located on the Walter Reed Campus, where reporters must be escorted by public affairs personnel. Building 18 is located just off campus and is easy to access.
The soldiers said they were also told their first sergeant has been relieved of duty, and that all of their platoon sergeants have been moved to other positions at Walter Reed. And 120 permanent-duty soldiers are expected to arrive by mid-March to take control of the Medical Hold Unit, the soldiers said.
As of Tuesday afternoon, Army public affairs did not respond to a request sent Sunday evening to verify the personnel changes.
The Pentagon also clamped down on media coverage of any and all Defense Department medical facilities, to include suspending planned projects by CNN and the Discovery Channel, saying in an e-mail to spokespeople: “It will be in most cases not appropriate to engage the media while this review takes place,” referring to an investigation of the problems at Walter Reed.
Robert Gates was applauded for his candor and compassion by congress and by me for the way he handled this situation. Now we found out from the Army Times how he really handled it. Punishment for those who talked and removal of the media. Is that the way he plans on doing his job? How is that supporting the troops?
Tony Snow also made a statement yesterday that the troops would not be getting all of the equipment that they needed like body armor etc. His take was that it would make them more nimble. It will also make them more dead. I am amazed that those that send our kids to war do so little to support them | |
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