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| Support our Troops!!!
Posted: 2/28/2007 5:39:00 PM | Now I'm sure all the left wingers will disagree and probably try to say we need to abolish the military in order to set and example for the rest of the world,after all these are the same kind of people who claim that if we had just talked to Hitler and showed more compassion then he would have seen the light and loved the Jews and all the people he murdered.Thats the kind of thinking that will cause more genicide and killing then can be imagined.The Hollywood crowd and there ilk on the left would be the first ones hanging from lamposts and getting beheadings if our enemies like AL Queda took over,but of course the far left believes American is the problem in the world and things will be perfect once it and its infidels are exterminated.
what a bunch of nonsense - no one thinks that way - does it make you feel superior to imagine that people do? | |
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Posted: 2/28/2007 5:48:49 PM | | bottom line america no longer has the backbone to fight a extended war. We need our grandfathers generation again those guys were tough. | |
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Posted: 2/28/2007 6:01:02 PM | Bottom line:
If you truly support our troops then go down to your local homeless shelter and listen to a few of the vets' stories about the government's and the VA's treatment of them since leaving the service. I disdain our government for asking our armed forces to partcipate in this illegal action in the ME. If you care to enlighten yourself in regard to "troop support", I refer you to General Smedley Butler and the poem "Tommy" by Rudyard Kipling. These two men say it all in relatively few words. Wars are planned for the benefit of the rich and the only time a soldier is appreciated is when he is on the front lines. If you truly support our troops you can do two things-Impeach Bush/Cheney(this is waht it will take to and get our soldiers out of this illegal action), and two, support the soldiers fullyonce they have returned!! All this flag waving, ribbon-on-SUV, psuedo-patriotic crap is lip service. | |
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Joined: 2/25/2005
Msg: 79 | |
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Posted: 2/28/2007 6:27:32 PM | "Yep, that defense worked at Nuremberg"
Okay then, your lame cheap shot aside, maybe analogy this will be easier on your tender and, no doubt, highly refined sensibilities:
Suppose everyone just decided to follow their own rules while driving in traffic?
Same result; total chaos. | |
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Joined: 7/14/2005
Msg: 80 | |
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Posted: 3/1/2007 5:06:24 AM | "Puhleeeze????? Tell me that you are only joking???? Do you seriously equate the export of consumer goods, to be an export of culture?
By that logic, anyone who buys products from another country, is considered to be wanting to adopt the culture of the vendor, and forsake their own.
If you wonder why people "hate" you....it might be partially, because of such arrogant attitudes. Get over yourselves already!"
Where did I say that any one was forsaking their own culture? I only said that people buy ours. When our culture is vastly different from another nation yet people from that country mimic us then yes I'd say they are buying our culture. It's not just material products either. It's as simple as this if you don't like it don't buy into it. As far as radicals hating us it really has nothing to do with oil. Yeah we need it and they are happy to sell it. Yes our government is happy to pay for it in blood which is some thing I don't agree with. What really makes them hate us up untill 2003 is our governments support of one little country in that region.
"bottom line america no longer has the backbone to fight a extended war. We need our grandfathers generation again those guys were tough."
We've been involved in Afganistan since 2001 and Irag since 2003. Our grandfathers generation's war lasted from December 7, 1941 to September 2, 1945.
"how would you react if some foreigners invade your country,kill women and children,steal your resources and want you to change your way of living?
i would do the same thing as they are to your weak army"
I was not refering just to Iraq but the Middle East as a whole and the world for that matter. All so I was only refering to the "Westernization" that I just can't believe you can force on another culture with out the people of that culture accepting it and not the war. As far as our "weak army" the only reason the other guys have any succes at all against out "weak army" is that we have rules of engagement that are followed by most of our people. I said most becasue I know we have some monsterous people that have commited crimes that are unexcusable under any conditions. They are the exception not the norm. | |
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| Support Our Troops!
Posted: 3/1/2007 6:28:12 AM | (Msg. 74) vtsnowman wrote:
Now I'm sure all the left wingers will disagree and probably try to say we need to abolish the military in order to set and example for the rest of the world,after all these are the same kind of people who claim that if we had just talked to Hitler and showed more compassion then he would have seen the light and loved the Jews and all the people he murdered.Thats the kind of thinking that will cause more genicide and killing then can be imagined. Oh that's just ripe … I do not recall any "hogwash" about anyone preferring that we abolish the military.
Where do some of you come up with that garbage? Focus on the topic of this thread … the support (or lack thereof) for our troops.
In WWII, the men were drafted for the duration of the war … there was no time frame set / known for how long they would get sucked away from their families. Many were gone for years, and for them (my father for one) it seemed as if their time away was interminable. However … we supported our troops … we should always support the troops.
BUT WHY ARE SO MANY OUT THERE BLOWING THE TRUMPETS FOR SUPPORT NOW?
WHAT HAPPENED TO SUPPORTING THE TROOPS NOT ONLY WHILE THEY ARE IN BATTLE …
BUT
… ALSO ONCE THEY RETURN HOME ?
Does the support end once they set foot back on the homeland soil? Many in WWII (while there are few still around) are still being well-cared for by the VA. That's because they qualify for that help under the laws and benefits that were set forth on their behalf back then.
Those laws and benefits have not only changed … but have been cut back to the point that we have veterans from a war … our brave military participated in some 35 years ago … still asking for help … my school mates, my friends, the fathers of my children's friends.
Exactly when and how is it that we can send these brave people to fight, but we just don't bother to take care of them when they return home … maimed and mutilated and psychologically "broke"?
Who of you would blow the trumpet for those brave people?
Are you all just calling for "support of the troops" who are currently engaged ...
OR
... are you calling for "support of ALL the troops in EVERY way.
If it's the latter … get off your BUTT and do something about it.
And while you're at it … don't be so quick to send our military into ANY war if you're not prepared to take care of them when they get back and need help.
(Msg. 74) vtsnowman wrote:
The Hollywood crowd and there ilk on the left would be the first ones hanging from lamposts and getting beheadings if our enemies like AL Queda took over,but of course the far left believes American is the problem in the world and things will be perfect once it and its infidels are exterminated. That statement is so ridiculous that it doesn't even deserve a reply.
It's nothing but regurgitated "neocon rhetoric".
Give us a break already. | |
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| Support Our Troops!
Posted: 3/1/2007 8:06:48 AM | I think both Canadian and American troops are trying the best they can under hard circumstances and as others have stated I will support our troops and hope they come back soon.I will not however follow blindly into supporting wars without questioning it and then be smeared by others accusing me for not supporting the troops and supporting terrorism which some conservative minded people enjoy doing!!!   | |
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Posted: 3/1/2007 1:25:53 PM | | Someone on the second page said "I won't get into this bush bashing nonsense". He's absolutely right, criticizing the Bush regime for lying about the reasons for going to war, ignoring the human rights abuses of other countries, saying that Saddam has al queda connections and weapons of mass destruction, and misplacing funds is totally out of line. How dare anyone criticize the divine authority of the President. Anyone who speaks out against the war should be charged with treason and thrown in jail forever. | |
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| Support our Troops!!!
Posted: 3/1/2007 1:31:18 PM | | TROOPS OUT NOW....Why support an illegal war. We want the troops to come home and defend our country not invade under false pretenses | |
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grog27
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Joined: 2/25/2005
Msg: 85 | |
| Support Our Troops!
Posted: 3/1/2007 6:48:16 PM | " (Msg. 74) vtsnowman wrote:
'Now I'm sure all the left wingers will disagree and probably try to say we need to abolish the military in order to set and example for the rest of the world,after all these are the same kind of people who claim that if we had just talked to Hitler and showed more compassion then he would have seen the light and loved the Jews and all the people he murdered.Thats the kind of thinking that will cause more genicide and killing then can be imagined.'
'Oh that's just ripe … I do not recall any "hogwash" about anyone preferring that we abolish the military.' "
Well, that's a typical "neo-con" tactic, isn't it? First, you make up imaginary statements which you attribute to your "liberal" target of choice; then, you proceed to attack that imaginary statement. Brilliant! How can you lose when you're making up BOTH sides of the "debate"! (And yet, lose is exactly what these weasels often do! How ya doin' snowman?  ) | |
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| Support our Canadian Troops!
Posted: 3/1/2007 10:38:01 PM | Wanna support our wounded Canadians? Please give to the Sapper McTeague Wounded Warrior Foundation. Search 'sapper mcteague'. The foundation was co-founded by Mike McTeague's father and his commanding officer Capt. Wayne Johnston. Our wounded are transported to hospitals in Germany where they recover alone, without so little as a TV in their hospital rooms.
Donations will provide things like TV rentals, MP3 players, Canadian flags for those who have given so much for us.
Please give generously as military families are usually short on cash and our government is too cheap! | |
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| Hill Valley Hick
Posted: 3/1/2007 10:43:12 PM | | Two Words - "American... Idiot". what the hell does THAT have to do with supporting the troops? then pick up your M4 and do it for George instead. nuff said. | |
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| Support Our Troops!
Posted: 3/4/2007 2:56:19 PM | | I fly the flag everyday. I have my "BlueStar" mom stickers on both my vehicles. I support our troops by sending packages to those in the war zone... because those guys and gals are the best! I wish that more people would support our troops and stop with all the naysay. The troops hear it and frankly they are over there doing their best and fighting for freedom and how much of a morale boost is that?, to hear negative things? They are selfless, willing to give their lives so we may stay free. Sometimes i think people forget about that and get to wrapped up in flipping articles or not thinking that these guys and gals are people. Say a prayer, send a package, write a letter. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2007 3:08:33 PM | | On page three, message 75 I posted an article from the ARMY times about the retaliation that was being put on those outpatients who complained. I noted that not one of you outspoken support the troops types commented at all. Is our support for the troops only for when the are in the field? Or does it extend into recovery of those maimed or injured in ths war? | |
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Posted: 3/4/2007 3:40:45 PM | The troops hear it and frankly they are over there doing their best and fighting for freedom and how much of a morale boost is that?, to hear negative things? They are selfless, willing to give their lives so we may stay free. Sometimes i think people forget about that and get to wrapped up in flipping articles or not thinking that these guys and gals are people. Say a prayer, send a package, write a letter.
As in any military conflict, there comes a time when the questions must be asked about the actual possibility of the mission being a success. The problem with Iraq is that "success" is totally at the decision of the Iraqi people - and no one else.
That's the essential problem here, and failure to realize that means that many more people will give up their lives, on all sides, without "success" ever being obtained. That's a waste of a critical resource, one all nations need to survive.
Military people are the type to take on the mission they are given, even when politicians set them up for disaster, and to continue it until the objective is achieved - or no one is left standing. Unless you have a clear exit strategy from the time the fist shot is fired, your chance of success rapidly decreases with each extra day. Things not done pile up upon themselves, and the mission starts to get confused.
This is exactly what happened in Iraq. There was no reason for this, as pre-war military war games had calculated the needed troop strengths, and predicted the high probability of an insurgency. This was all ignored by the politicians, and some generals, and the troops were sent in anyway. They were rushed in, badly equipped (body/vehicle armour), and things like Bremer firing the entire Iraqi military/government structure resulted in a disaster.
Generals will continue wars that politicians demand, because they cannot go against that same military/political culture that resulted in them being at the highest levels of it's ranks in the first place.
The people of Iraq will decide their future, and no one else.
THere are a lot of people in the military, grunts and generals, that are against this war. You don't have to go far to find them. That they do that, with the great pressure involved not to do so, is indicative that many others feel the same way - but lack the strength to say so.
We are now near the four year mark in this war, and success is no closer to being achieved.
As of this date and time, as I write this, there are 3171 dead American soldiers. Recent casuality figures show an average of three service people killed each and every day there. Three people, like you and I, whose loss is incalculable to the nation and it's future.
Each loss is a horror beyond belief for the families and friends of the fallen. It is a wound that never heals. That is the price one pays for service to one's country, and sadly in this world of ours good men and women have to die to ensure that the right thing gets done.
Each tear, each drop of blood spilt, is always to be compared to the value of what is being fought over. If success is possible (and one can ensure success only with things that you control yourself) then it is something that bears doing.
When it is not possible, when one realizes that one has little or no control over the object of the mission, then it is time to question the mission itself. Failure to do so means that the inevitable must be delayed, as the body count rises for each day that decision is not made.
The military defends us, each and every day. We also defend them, by makng sure the politicians are held accountable for the oversight and success of the missions they set.
With Iraq, we have seen the American military overextended. Soldiers are paying a severe cost in fatigue and stress related psychological illness. Families are being destroyed. Enlistment is down, and people are leaving the military for better paying private sector "mercenary" jobs.
This type of situation doesn't make the nation safer, it makes it less so.
Support the troops, don't support the war.
You can do both. | |
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| Support Our Troops!
Posted: 3/7/2007 5:15:18 PM | | I so disagree with you and all you say. I support the war and I support the Troops! I'm a Proud Armymom and I love my boys! They are great and the best. They are willing to go forward to do what is right. And ...they are not afraid to die, because they believe in freedom for you and for me and for everyone. Get a grip. Actually, it does make the nation safer. Maybe if you put yourself in these selfless young mens shoes.... you would understand abit more. As you live in Canada, you know that your country has Troops there also. My son is in Afghanistan now, also with your Canadian Troops. They, meaning the Troops...believe in doing what they are doing, regardless of you sitting back and flipping articles. Send a letter, send a package, say a prayer...... | |
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Posted: 3/7/2007 8:26:24 PM | Five soldiers were on a flight of mine the other day. The flight attendants encouraged everyone on the plane to welcome them home, which they did by erupting into applause after we landed (it certainly wasn't for the quality of my landing). Then they told everyone to remain seated in order to let the soldiers off the plane first. As these soldiers walked down the aisle to the door, everyone clapped loudly once again. I wish more flight attendants would think to do that.
If these 50+ passengers are any indication, people are supporting the troops, regardless of the waning support for the war itself. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2007 2:11:09 AM | You don't win the war by willing it at home. Reality check time, countries lose wars all the time. Guess what? That includes you.
Sorry but lack of support for the isn't going to make the war fail, its not like the government hasn't been ignoring all protests anyway. You know what this kind of talk sets up? The germans have a word for it. Dolchstoßlegende, the idea that they lost WW 1 because of pacifists, Jews, and communists stabbing them in the back.
It was recycled for vietnam, you hear far right republicans claiming that it was all the leftists, communists and hippies who lost the war, not the inability to put down the viet cong.
Look for Dolchstoßlegende version 3.0 coming your way soon!
The Hollywood crowd and there ilk on the left would be the first ones hanging from lamposts and getting beheadings if our enemies like AL Queda took over,but of course the far left believes American is the problem in the world and things will be perfect once it and its infidels are exterminated.
He he he you're so right, I bought my support the Al Queda pin today!
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| Support Our Troops!
Posted: 3/8/2007 6:28:45 AM | And ...they are not afraid to die, because they believe in freedom for you and for me and for everyone. Get a grip. Actually, it does make the nation safer. Maybe if you put yourself in these selfless young mens shoes.... you would understand abit more. As you live in Canada, you know that your country has Troops there also. My son is in Afghanistan now, also with your Canadian Troops. They, meaning the Troops...believe in doing what they are doing, regardless of you sitting back and flipping articles.
Read any of my posts in any thread on Afghanistan, and you will see I've supported (and still do) that mission. You can also review many of my posts here supporting the military, of all nations.
I know they aren't afraid to die. I just don't want them to die when the mission is fatally flawed. Iraq qualifies for that award, based on experience.
You should have been outraged when the level of troops sent into battle was less than half of what war games had proven to be needed.
Those same wargames also proved that (even with that number of troops) an insurgency would have formed. You should be outraged that NOTHING was done to prevent this. The Army did not even have a counter-insurgency plan in place until a year or two later.
If you "supported the troops" then you should be outraged that they were rushed into this war without the proper equipment. Rushed even into a sandstorm, at the beginning - against no "imminent threat".
You should be outraged that they all too often had improper body and vehicle armour, and many paid for their own "high grade" protection.
You should have been outraged when the President made fun of looking for WMD's in that little sketch for the correspondents dinner - while men and women were dying.
You should be outraged that Bremer seeded the insurgency by firing the entire Iraqi army and government, throwing tens of thousands of men out into the streets.
You should be outraged that these same men and women, when badly injured physically and psychologiocally, are many times treated like garbage. The Walter Reed scandal, and many other cases (particularly involving National Guard members) have shown that callous disregard for the best and the brightest of your nation.
I've never doubted the courage and resolve of your military or ours. I proudly support men and women in uniform, and always have.
You don't have to be right wing to do that, as much as they make you think that sometimes.
Four years into this, and all of the mistakes have occurred at the political / Pentagon level. For years, the President told everyone things were going well - and he lied.
These men and women deserve far better leadership than what they have received. It's time to speak out in their defence, and that time is now.
That's supporting the troops, in my world. | |
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| Support Our Troops!
Posted: 3/8/2007 2:07:53 PM | | I spent a year in Iraq in the Infantry, people have mixed feelings, but in the end all any soldier wants to hear is you did your best, thanks for trying..when i got home..I was in Liberal Austin in my BDU's I was spit at, cussed at, called a murderer, and 95% of those people have no idea what its like. I'd never been to hell but it couldnt be worse than that place, I told my mom dont worry when i left, and hell I was worried myself, I had a lot of friends over that died, and weather you like the war or not, those are our brothers dying and fighting, and no matter how much someone gripes, they wont come home soon..but it is nice to get a letter, even from somone you dont know, casue not everyone has someone over there..thats really what keeps a person alive. Knowing that your fighting for people who in the end care. When you've seen what I've seen things dont seem so bad, you quit worring about whaqt you aint got and thank God for what you have, cause you could be raising a family over there, but we are Americans..free..It breaks a man to see the kids out there and it makes you grateful thats not your son or daughter. If someone wants to talk about it I will, but they gotta keep it short, cause I got lost time to make up for. I dont care why bush went into Iraq..cause I will always be proud of what I did there, I was medically Discharged on an injury from Iraq, I have two knees that need reconstrucion surgury and No ACL in my right knee, and when I was discharged the Army called it a preexisting condition and just kinda chunked me out. But ill never hold it against them. My grandfather was in WW2, and my father in Vietnam..it runs in the family. and as for the comment about better leadership..not everyone in the military may like president bush, but most will still support him, cause what the media tells people isnt everything...and he has done a lot better than Al Gore or Kerry would have ever done..you wanna support the troops..just a thankyou or a card, trust me it will go farther than anything else you can do. | |
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| Support Our Troops!
Posted: 3/8/2007 8:32:05 PM | +++he has done a lot better than Al Gore or Kerry would have ever done.+++
What a pitiful statement to make. What a disgrace you are to try to cast the blame on these two innocent men. These men have done nothing to you. Is the best you can do to apologize for the failure of President Bush is to castigate two men who would not have subjected this nation to this disaster. The Bush plan has been a failure on every front. Gore and Kerry did nothing to cause this. The entire debacle needs to be laid at the feet of George Bush. You have no basis to make the statement you have made. You do not know what Gore would have done. You do not know what Kerry would have done. You do know what Bush has done. Failure. Disgrace. Address that. | |
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| Support our Troops!!!
Posted: 3/8/2007 8:47:44 PM | Sure, I'll wear red, if I have any......
Support our troops?
I support bringing them home, and impeaching this whacko.
He is creating VETERANS, and cutting their services, AT THE SAME TIme, so that he can finance this war.
ie Walter Reed Hospital.
What the HELL is this???????
What a moron,
And I though Clinton was bad. | |
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| Support our Troops!!!
Posted: 3/8/2007 9:15:14 PM | Support our troops??????
Maybe we could have a surge, with troops that are held over for a longer tour or have not been been relieved long enough.
Maybe we could support them by sending Hummers that lack armor? We know this is not a problem, it only kills and hurts most of our troops. We support them with NO ARMOR>>>>>>>>>
How long would it take to fix a problem that kills........ | |
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| Support Our Troops!
Posted: 3/8/2007 11:45:46 PM | You know what? I don't believe you Fono. You've already shown yourself rather flexible when it comes to "facts" and if they support your position. You're a rather big guy and I doubt most peace protestors would mess with you and additionally the vietnam war spitting reports were BS too.
http://www.slate.com/id/1005224/
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/04/30/debunking_a_spitting_image/
Please, like you have any idea what Al Gore or Kerry would do or would have done, you get your information from O'Rielly, who is so full of crap he can't even keep his lies straight. | |
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| Support Our Troops!
Posted: 3/9/2007 4:30:33 AM | THe way I see the situation in Iraq right now is that this administration is trying to do one of two things.
Try to get some slight improvement in the situation, temporary in nature, that will be enough to declare "victory" so the US can leave. If it deteriorates afterwards, it will be the Iraqis fault.
Pass it over to the next administration, and let them "lose" Iraq. That way the claim can be made that it wasn't their fault the war was lost.
What seems to be happening now is a potentially dangerous situation. The Shia militias have "gone to ground", with this lastest American focusing on them. Instead of fighting, they realize time is on their side.
However, in the meantime, Sunni extremists are in a full court press to cause maximum damage with bombings in the Shia communities. Being a much smaller group, they cannot afford to use the same tactic the Shias have adopted.
This means a slowly growing pressure for revenge from the Shias will start to occur, like a steam cooker. Taking casualities every day creates an ever growing need to strike back in that enviroment.
When that occurs (not if) , the entire (already bad) situation may deteriorate rather quickly to an all out civil war.
I don't see the support of this administration as supporting the troops. To me it's a cynical use of human life to preserve their pride - and not the nation's. | |
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