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 rev0218

Joined: 3/6/2006
Msg: 101
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Posted: 3/9/2007 4:40:39 AM
Austin Texas is the most liberal city in Texas and 60 miles south of me. I go there for business and personal reasons often. The claim that people there would spit on US service people or call them baby killers is absurd. Thay may be somewhat liberal for Texas but this is still Texas. I suppose if you looked real hard you might find one or two people with that bent but it would be an ardeous search. I call absolute BS too.
 tralala

Joined: 1/3/2004
Msg: 102
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Posted: 3/9/2007 5:01:22 PM
Yeah Rev....

It's still my 2 kids there. 1 in Afghanistan and the other in Iraq. 1 is there thru the summer and the other is there for almost another year.

I am a Proud Army Mom!
 honest_nice_guy

Joined: 9/18/2006
Msg: 103
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Posted: 3/11/2007 6:45:53 AM
additionally the vietnam war spitting reports were BS too

they have become an urban legend.....
did it ever happen? probably, but rarely. It may have happen to a soldier who wandered into a peace rally with hundreds of immature kid/protesters but I can tell you from first hand experience of that era, it wasnt the norm. fact is that the returning soldiers were battle hardened and tough and the protestors were scrawny college kids who wouldnt have dared. The scorn the viet vets got, and i saw it first hand when my brother came back from his 2nd tour, was from the WWII vets who said 'that is no war - we fought a real war'
 mistyheartache

Joined: 2/11/2007
Msg: 104
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Posted: 3/11/2007 5:31:44 PM
Still the fact remains that there are people here in the U.S. who do not have even the slightest decency to say thank you for taking a stand and putting your life at risk for us and our country. I have friends and family who are very dear to me that are out there in all of this. Or who have been in previous wars. Vietnam, WWI, WWII and in the present war. I have much respect for them. And if people would stop and think of the turmoil that the soldiers went through then they wouldn't sit there thinking they are above them. You aren't a murderer for defending yourself. Hell if it weren't for our soldiers way back in the day what would be of the freedom and the rights we have today. We have much to be thankful for. War and famine has become to be such an important aspect of our daily lives. As for the ones who don't know turn your tv onto CNN or any other news channel and listen to what they report. Think of the families of the soldiers out there. For their concerns are often dreadful wondering from day to day whether or not their loved ones will make it home any time soon. For them to come back home alive is truly wonderful for some are unfortunate in their homecoming. For I will continue to support our troops.
 jed456

Joined: 4/26/2005
Msg: 105
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Posted: 3/11/2007 6:05:13 PM
I could not agree more with you rugbyman.I am sorry I voted for bush,after all the scandals halliburton walter reed hospital,I believe this administration will go down as one of the worst in us history.
 CharlesEdm

Joined: 9/16/2006
Msg: 106
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Posted: 3/13/2007 1:45:52 AM

Thay may be somewhat liberal for Texas but this is still Texas.


I doubt you'd find many people spitting on soldiers in the most left-wing-hippie-commie-homo neighbourhood in san francisco.

Spitting on troops isn't a "Liberal" thing, hell the Neocons seem to be dumping on vets the most these days.
 xxx Charlie

Joined: 2/12/2007
Msg: 107
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Posted: 3/13/2007 2:31:21 AM
I'm afraid us British have been supporting your troops....but as of yesterday when we got shafted up the a*** by your authorities who wont give any evidence over involving the killing of our troops by your goodselves, I shall imagine most Brits will feel as I do.

You want it all ways...
 myfirstlove

Joined: 1/5/2007
Msg: 108
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Posted: 3/19/2007 5:39:19 PM
Thank You OP. More GOOD News for Our Troops and for those that wear RED on Friday's.

S.CON.RES.20
Title: A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that no funds should be cut off or reduced for American Troops in the field which would result in undermining their safety or their ability to complete their assigned mission.
Sponsor: Sen Gregg, Judd [NH] (introduced 3/15/2007) Cosponsors (16)
Latest Major Action: 3/16/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Armed Services.

SCON 20 ES
110th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. CON. RES. 20

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

Whereas under Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution of the United States, the President is the `commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and in such capacity the President has the command of the Armed Forces, including the authority to deploy troops and direct military campaigns during wartime;
Whereas under Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution of the United States, Congress has the power of the purse specifically as it relates to the Armed Forces, and in such capacity Congress has the responsibility to fully and adequately provide funding for United States military forces, especially when they are at war and are defending the Nation; and
Whereas when United States military forces are in harm's way and are protecting our country, Congress and the Nation should give them all the support they need in order to maintain their safety and accomplish their assigned missions, including the equipment, logistics, and funding necessary to ensure their safety and effectiveness, and such support is the responsibility of both the Executive Branch and the Legislative Branch of Government: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved by the Senate (the House of Representatives concurring), That it is the sense of Congress that Congress should not take any action that will endanger United States military forces in the field, including the elimination or reduction of funds for troops in the field, as such action with respect to funding would undermine their safety or harm their effectiveness in pursuing their assigned missions.
Passed the Senate March 15, 2007.
Attest:
Secretary.

YEAs 82 NAYs 16 Not Voting 2

Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Not Voting
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Not Voting
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

GOOD NEWS

Time to get those report cards ready for who you are going to vote for come the next election.

Cheers,

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS

 Montreal_Guy

Joined: 3/8/2004
Msg: 109
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Posted: 3/19/2007 6:02:21 PM
....Congress should not take any action that will endanger United States military forces in the field, including the elimination or reduction of funds for troops in the field, as such action with respect to funding would undermine their safety or harm their effectiveness in pursuing their assigned missions.


They just did, by allowing this President to continue this war, against the best advice to almost every single expert in the field - Democrat and Republican.

If this war is so vital, so needed, and is "the great battle of the century against dark forces opposing freedom and democracy" - then one thing is perfectly clear.

It's time for the sons and daughters of the aristocracy, of those in power, of the rich and the mighty, to leave their Yale and Harvard university classrooms. It's time for them to do what their grandfathers did when dark forces opposed democracy, as those on the extreme right claim this current threat equates with. It's time for them to answer their nation's call.

It's time for black military vehicles to roll up to the mansions, and knock on their doors too. It's time for them to look across a dinner table and see an empty seat, or a loved child with a missing arm or leg.

These are the luckiest Americans in the country. Through their hard work, and a great country, they have made fortunes. It's time for them to assist your great country, to preserve it's freedoms that allowed that same opporunity.

When their blood is spilled, and their flesh and minds are altered forever by combat , then I will truly believe the jingoism of those who so often beat the war drum loadly, hide from it's effects, and profit from it's death and destruction.



Misuse of data only constant in Iraq war
March 20, 2007

In January 2005, General George Casey, then the top US military officer in Iraq, estimated that US and Iraqi forces had killed or captured 15,000 fighters in 2004, three times the estimate by General John Abizaid, then Centcom commander, of the total size of the insurgency barely one year earlier.

In January, President Bush told the nation that an additional 21,500 US troops were needed to quell escalating violence in Baghdad. As of last Friday, that total had reached 28,700.

The UN, using reports from morgues, hospitals and local authorities, put the 2006 figure at 34,000, three times the official Iraq Government count. Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's office ordered the Iraqi health ministry to stop providing figures to the UN.

In March 2004, Rumsfeld announced "very good progress" in training Iraqi forces, whose numbers had increased "from zero to over 200,000". Eleven months later, he gave the total as 136,065.

Jeff Miller, a researcher at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said official figures over the years revealed a "clear pattern of overselling the pace and quality of Iraqi force training". One reason for the repeated discrepancies has been frequent changes in the way Iraqis are counted.

The figures offered by Rumsfeld and Myers often bore little relation to tallies in weekly unclassified Pentagon reports. In late 2003, progress towards the Pentagon's goal of 221,700 trained police and military forces was divided into categories of Iraqis "operating" and those "in training". By June 2004, as the goal increased to 259,869, the two categories were melded, and "untrained" forces — more than four-fifths of the police and the army — were listed as "on duty".

In September 2004, the "on duty" category was renamed, and 231,560 Iraqis were described as "on hand". After critics questioned the figures, "on hand" was subsumed into a new category and the total fell to fewer than 100,000: the Pentagon stopped including nearly 80,000 members of Iraq's Facilities Protection Service, untrained guards under the control of Iraqi government ministries.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/misuse-of-data-only-constant-in-iraq-war/2007/03/19/1174152970810.html?page=2


3,218 American troops killed, 23,417 wounded.

http://icasualties.org/oif/

 bob0colo

Joined: 4/9/2006
Msg: 110
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Posted: 3/20/2007 2:11:54 AM
'support the troops".....
The sound Machine says surge....Has anyone thought about this surge and what it means to the troops?
Already........ many are extended, others short turn around, dont talk about how many tours.
"We have to give this a chance, the surge. "
We will spend everything for the next 6 months, what then?
There is no planning or thought from the Bush White House?
Its the next 1/4 profit and loss?????
I cannot support sending our Military to stay forever, Castro did that with Angola, Hitler in Russia.
The Bush War has the worst management ever. It is unbelievable. The country is being ask to support something that cannot be maintained.
I see kids coming home for their R/R that have spent three years in Iraq. They have 4year olds.
Our reply should be , they joined. ....

??????
 Tallboy22

Joined: 3/12/2007
Msg: 111
Support our Troops!!!
Posted: 3/20/2007 1:07:33 PM
Totally right on, Support the Soldiers there only doing there Job!
 myfirstlove

Joined: 1/5/2007
Msg: 112
Support our Troops!!!
Posted: 3/27/2007 3:48:50 PM
I support our Troops by wearing red every Friday.
Here is a touching story I just heard from a friend about our Soldiers and others that wear Red.



Wearing Red
Last week I was in Atlanta , Georgia
attending a conference. While I was in the airport,
returning home, I heard several peoplebehind me
beginning to clap and cheer. I immediately turned
around and witnessed one of the greatest act's of
patriotism I have ever seen.
Moving thru the terminal was a group of soldiers in
their camo's, as they began heading to their gate
everyone (well almost everyone) was abruptly to
their feet with their hands waving and cheering.
When I saw the soldiers, probably 30-40 of them,
being applauded and cheered for it hit me. I'm not
alone. I'm not the only red blooded American who
still loves this country and supports our troops and
their families.

Of course I immediately stopped and began clapping
for these young unsung heroes who are putting their
lives on the line everyday for us so we can go to
school, work and home without fear or reprisal. Just
when I thought I could not be more proud of my
country or of our service men and women, a young
girl, not more than 6 or 7 years old, ran up to one
of the male soldiers. He kneeled down and said "hi,"
to the little girl then she asked him if he would
give something to her daddy for her. The young
soldier, he didn't look any older than maybe 22
himself, said he would try and what did she want to
give to her daddy. Then suddenly the little girl
grabbed the neck of this soldier, gave him the
biggest hug she could muster and then kissed him on
the cheek.
The mother of the little girl, who said her
daughter's name was Courtney, told the young soldier
that her husband was a Marine and had been in Iraq
for 11 months now. As the mom was explaining how
much her daughter, Courtney, missed her father, the
young soldier began to tear up When this temporarily
single mom was done explaining her situation, all of
the soldiers huddled together for a brief second.
Then one of the other servicemen pulled out a
military looking walkie-talkie. They started playing
with the device and talking back and forth on it.
After about 10-15 seconds of this, the young soldier
walked back over to Courtney, bent down and said
this to her, "I spoke to your daddy and he told me
to give this to you." He then hugged this little
girl that he had just met and gave her a kiss on the
cheek. He finished by saying "your daddy told me to
tell you that he loves you more than anything and he
is coming home very soon."
The mom at this point was crying almost
uncontrollably and as the young soldier stood to his
feet he saluted Courtney and her mom. I was standing
no more than 6 feet away when this entire event
unfolded. As the soldiers began to leave, heading
towards their gate, people resumed their applause.
As I stood there applauding and looked around, their
were very few dry eyes, including my own. That young
soldier in one last act of selflessness, turned
around and blew a kiss to Courtney with a tear
rolling down his cheek.
We need to remember every day all of our soldiers
and their families and thank God for them and their
sacrifices. At the end of the day, it's good to be
an American.
Red Friday
Just keeping you "in the loop" so you'll know what's
going on in case this takes off.
RED FRIDAYS ----- Very soon, you will see a great
many people wearing Red every Friday. The reason?
Americans who support our troops used to be called
the "silent majority". We are no longer silent, and
are voicing our love for God, country and home in
record breaking numbers. We are not organized,
boisterous or over-bearing. We get no liberal media
coverage on TV, to reflect our message or our
opinions.
Many Americans, like you, me and all our friends,
simply want to recognize that the vast majority of
America supports our troops.
Our idea of showing solidarity and support for our
troops with dignity and respect starts this Friday
and continues each and every Friday until the
troops all come home, sending a deafening message
that.. Every red-blooded American who supports our
men and women afar will wear something red.
By word of mouth, press, TV -- let's make the United
States on every Friday a sea of red much like a
homecoming football game in the bleachers.
If every one of us who loves this country will share
this with acquaintances, co-workers, friends, and
family. It will not be long
before the USA is covered in RED and it will let our
troops know the once "silent" majority is on their
side more than ever, certainly more than themedia
lets on.
The first thing a soldier says when asked "What can
we do to make things better for you?" is..We need
your support and your prayers.
Let's get the word out and lead with class and
dignity, by example; and wear something red every
Friday.


Cheers,

"Support Our Troops"

 rsx11m

Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 113
History not learned.
Posted: 3/27/2007 4:04:27 PM
Quote: "You know acburbank I think people that hate Bush are starting to see how wrong they are. They are afraid of him suceeding."

Not much chance of that. Two years later and this statement rings more falsely than it did originally. Newsflash: your president is a low grade moron controlled by his dads friends.

Oh, but thanks for all the friendly fire.
 tralala

Joined: 1/3/2004
Msg: 114
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Posted: 3/28/2007 8:02:15 PM
Send a letter, say a prayer, send a package....

That would be a great way to support our troops.

These guys (and gals) deserve at least a letter... they are willing to give their life...they believe in this so much, they are willing without hesitation... to go forward and do the best they can.

What is unfortunate, is the backlash of peoples not willing to support them.

And don't think they don't hear about all, because they do...and the good thing is they continue to go forward. regardless of all the nay sayers. Thank goodness for them.

I am a Proud Armymom
 bob0colo

Joined: 4/9/2006
Msg: 115
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Posted: 3/29/2007 1:53:31 AM
Pat Tilmans mother feels that he was murdered, He did not support the Iraq war.
Did he not support the troops?
I see the troops going back too soon, Too man deployments, unarmed humvee, BODY ARMOR?????
VA???????

We as a nation need to open our eyes. Write a letter??
I talk to Dis/Vets that can reup to Iraq, (offered by the Army) before they can recieve their Rehab......




Faced With Facts, McCain Denies His Own Straight Talk

Yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) told CNN that that President Bush’s escalation in Iraq is going so well, “General Petraeus goes out there almost every day in an unarmed humvee.” On Monday, he told radio host Bill Bennett that there “are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods, today.”

This morning, during an interview with McCain, CNN’s John Roberts rebutted McCain’s assertions, stating, “I checked with General Petraeus’s people overnight and they said he never goes out in anything less than an up-armored humvee.” He added that a new report by retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey “said no Iraqi government official, coalition soldier, diplomat reporter could walk the streets of Baghdad without heavily armed protection.”

Faced with overwhelming evidence that he was wrong, McCain denied he’d ever said it: “Well, I’m not saying they could go without protection. The President goes around America with protection. So, certainly I didn’t say that.”

_____________
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2401718.ece

Shia police kill at least 33 in revenge for bombings
By Patrick****urn in Arbil
Published: 29 March 2007

Shia police rampaged through a Sunni district in the north-western city of Tal Afar killing at least 33 people in the streets and in their homes in revenge for devastating car bombs in a nearby Shia neighbourhood earlier in the day.

"Sadly it is true that Shia police carried out the killings in Tal Afar," Khasro Goran, the deputy governor of Mosul province where the city is situated, told The Independent. He said the car bombs the previous day had killed 75 people and wounded 150, almost all of them Shia.

Mr Goran said the 3rd Iraqi Army Division, which is mainly Kurdish, had been sent to Tal Afar, a Turkoman city with a population of 80,000 divided between Shia and Sunni communities. A curfew has also been declared. To the west of Mosul on the road to the Syrian border the city has been the scene of fierce fighting in past between insurgents and the US army.
?????????????????
In March last year, President George Bush held up Tal Afar as an example of how progress was being made in Iraq after a US army offensive against insurgents. He said the results "gave him confidence in our strategy"

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McCaffrey Paints Gloomy Picture Of Iraq
2007-03-28 1258
Posted By: Intellpuke


An influential retired Army general released a dire assessment of the situation in Iraq, based on a recent round of meetings there with Gen. David H. Petraeus and 16 other senior U.S. commanders.

"The population is in despair," retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey wrote in an eight-page document compiled in his capacity as a professor at West Point. "Life in many of the urban areas is now desperate."

McCaffrey is widely respected in the military, having fought in the Vietnam War, commanded a division in the 1991 Persian Gulf War, and later served as the commander for U.S. military operations in Central America and South America. After retiring, he became President Bill Clinton's director of drug policy.

McCaffrey, who has met twice with President Bush to discuss the war, most recently in December, was scheduled to brief White House officials on his conclusions late Tuesday.

His report also lists several reasons for some new optimism, noting that since the arrival of Petraeus last month, "the situation on the ground has clearly and measurably improved."

Nevertheless, his bottom line is that the U.S. military is in "strategic peril" - a sharp contrast to his previous views. In 2005, he concluded in a similar report that "momentum is now clearly with the Iraqi government and coalition security forces." In a 2006 assessment, he wrote: "It was very encouraging for me to see the progress achieved in the past year."

The retired general, who on his latest visit also interviewed a U.S. intelligence official and some Iraqi officers, is especially critical of the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. It is "despised" by the Sunnis, he writes, is seen as "untrustworthy and incompetent" by the Kurds, and now enjoys "little credibility among the Shia populations from which it emerged."

The government lacks dominance in every province, he added. One result is that "no Iraqi government official, coalition soldier, diplomat, reporter, foreign NGO [nongovernmental organization], nor contractor can walk the streets of Baghdad, nor Mosul, nor Kirkuk, nor Basra, nor Tikrit, nor Najaf, nor Ramadi, without heavily armed protection."

Militias and armed bands are "in some ways more capable of independent operations" than the Iraqi army, he added.

McCaffrey is gloomy about the continuing strength of the insurgency. At this point, he said, about 27,000 fighters are being held, and at least 20,000 others have been killed, yet enemy combatants continue to produce new leaders and foot soldiers. The result, five years into the war, he said, is that "their sophistication, numbers and lethality go up - not down - as they incur these staggering battle losses."

Among McCaffrey's reasons for new optimism were that the Maliki government is permitting the United States to attack rogue leaders in the Mahdi Army of radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. Also, he noted that U.S. and Iraqi forces have changed their basic approach to operations, with soldiers now living on small outposts across Baghdad. Iraqi forces also are better equipped than before. In Anbar province, he noted, "There is a real and growing groundswell of Sunni tribal opposition to the al-Qaeda-in-Iraq terror formations."

So, he concluded, it is still possible to develop a stable Iraq but, he added, "We have very little time left." The dilemma facing the U.S. government, he said, is that U.S. forces probably will have to be reduced substantially within three years, but the insurgency will go on for many years more.

McCaffrey's assessment contrasts with other recent reports on Iraq by visiting experts.

Former Australian military officer David Kilcullen, who is advising Petraeus on counterinsurgency methods, recently commented on the Web site of Small Wars Journal: "It is still early days for Fardh al-Qanoon (a.k.a. the 'Baghdad Security Plan') and thus too soon to tell for sure how things will play out. But, though the challenges remain extremely severe, early trends are quite positive." He added that "the general trajectory of the campaign seems to be changing, in subtle ways that may yet prove decisive."
Intellpuke: You can read this article by Washington Post staff writer Thomas E. Ricks
 m_dubois

Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 116
Support our Troops!!!
Posted: 3/29/2007 7:10:33 PM
Not only do I support our troops, but I believe in what they are doing. That's just as important. How can you fully support the troops and not believe in their mission? Yes, the soldiers need equipment and supplies, but they also need to know that you believe it what they are doing. Our soldiers are putting their lives at risk for freedom in another country. There is hardly anything more noble and honorable than that. The whole world owes a debt of gratitude like none other for these selfless, brave men and women who serve.

I haven't heard about wearing "red", but this sounds like a good idea if it helps bring believers together. Hopefully their strength in numbers will send a clear message to our troops and allies that we stand united, support our troops and believe in this mission.

I sometimes wear a "freedom" bracelet that comes in either red, white and blue colors or camouflage.
 Montreal_Guy

Joined: 3/8/2004
Msg: 117
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Posted: 3/29/2007 8:21:37 PM
Not only do I support our troops, but I believe in what they are doing. That's just as important. How can you fully support the troops and not believe in their mission?


When the politicians fail the troops you support, then it becomes a moral obligation to speak out in their defense. When politicians decide on the wrong war, and lie to lead the nation into it, then the precious resource of the military is stretched to the breaking point, and bleeds it's energy into the ground - it's time to speak up, and speak out. When politicians actually do things that endanger troops, it's time to be outraged.

When we are told that things are going well, and they are not, then it's time for action.

Failure to do this means the military (and the men and women in it) are placed in a position of sacrificing all , and for little or no purpose (in a geopolitical sense).

Sometimes men and women have to die on battlefields, but that cost must always be weighed against the benefit that will be accomplished.

3,244 killed, 26,188 wounded. 03/29/07 11:24 PM
 flyguy51

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Posted: 3/29/2007 10:55:02 PM

How can you fully support the troops and not believe in their mission?

Easy. It means you want what is best for our fighting men yet not giving a blank check with no accountability to the government that deploys them. The harder question is this: how can you believe in the mission without fully supporting the troops?

Is it "fully supporting the troops" when:

-they are put in harms way without a well-crafted plan of action?
-they are put in harms way without the proper equipment for the job?
-... without proper training for the mission?
-... without enough coworkers to succeed in the mission?
-... without defined mission goals (exit strategy in particular)?
-... without adequate medical care (particularly mental) after the dreadful duty is served?

The government is the entity guilty of not supporting the troops. It is just now starting to do some things right, but way late. These things don't work retroactively. If the Normandy invasion were handled like this... I shudder to think.
 Jemue

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Posted: 3/29/2007 11:06:26 PM

It's the Government that sent them there that I have an issue with.


Sure is, that the people voted in, twice, and to a great degree still support in their actions around the world.
 DamnFool

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Posted: 3/30/2007 12:43:22 AM
I have no love or support for mercenaries, I refuse to ever support any troops anywhere. I don't bear any ill will to soldiers, I just don't care about them at all, they choose their career knowing the potential consequences. I don't support military action abroad, ever. I don't think Canada even needs a military.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 3/30/2007 1:40:20 AM
Some facts about what this is all about :




- 23,000 soldiers have been wounded. (when this study was done)

- Evacuating an injured soldier to the USA can cost as much as $ 1,000,000 (when all costs are figured in)

- More than 4,600 Iraqi vets have suffered severe head or brain injuries. It may cost 19 BILLION dollars to treat and care just for these vets, for the rest of their lives.

- More than 1.300 vets have lost a limb. Probable cost of treating and caring for them for the rest of their lives ? 200 million dollars.

- The cost of one prosthetic limb ? Up to 100,000 dollars.

- 20 percent of Iraqi vets are developing PTSD.

- 22 men serving in Iraq commited suicide in 2005, double the rate of 2004.

- the cost of veteran's disability benefits for those having seen combat in Iraq could reach as much as 127 billion dollars (based on Desert Storm statistics).

- It costs $275,000 to deploy a soldier in Iraq for a year.

- It costs $5,840 to feed him.

- Some military equipment used in Iraq has experienced the equivalent of 27 years of use in 3 years.

- It costs $17 billion a year to replace worn and lost equipment.

- Deploying reservists in Iraq costs the U.S. economy almost $4 billion in lost productivity annually.

- The Pentagon has ordered the National Guard to transfer $1.76 billion worth of equipment to the Army.

- Transferring gear overseas has left domestic Guard units with 1/3 of their essential combat equipment.

- 7,040 Army National Guard soldiers were deployed to Vietnam; 126 died.

- More than 100,000 have served in Iraq so far; 392 have died.

- Between 2003 and 2005, Army divorces increased by 14%

- The Miles Foundation reports that calls to its domestic violence hot line for military spouses jumped from 50 to 600 per month after the start of the Iraq War.

-In 2004, 1 out of 5 military spouses said they had signed up for government assistance to make ends meet.

-The wife of a New York National Guardsman deployed to Iraq applied for food stamps while raising three kids on $19,000 a year. “His monthly military salary does not cover one monthly mortgage payment.”



What these men and women have experienced ?

- 94 percent have been shot at.

- 86 percent know someone that has been seriously wounded or killed

- 77 percent have shot at, or directed fire, at an enemy

- 68 percent have seen dead or seriously injured Americans

- 51 percent have handled or uncovered human remains.

- 48 percent say they were responsible for the death of an enemy combatant

- 28 percent say they were responsible for the death of a non-combatant.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/featurex/2007/03/aftermath_II.html
 gentalltheway

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Posted: 3/30/2007 7:28:38 AM
I will not ****foot around this subject...
Supporting the troops is supporting war criminals. The war was started for all the wrong reasons...lies. And what makes it worst, with a country that never threatened or attacked the US. Sorry but I can't possibly do that.

Supporting troops defending their own country is one thing, supporting an occupying force of a foreign country is another altogether.

I don't support Israel for occupying Palestine. I certainly will not support the US in Iraq or Canada in Afghanistan.

Bring the men and women back home.
 shieldvulf

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Posted: 3/30/2007 8:40:12 AM
Pick up a paper, jemue. Fewer than a third of Americans see any value in this occupation. That is most of the reason they elected Democratic majorities to both houses of Congress in November. Americans want our kids out of that meat grinder, because no one can identify anything to be gained by our staying there. Squawking about "staying the course" and "finishing the job" do not identify an objective, let alone a possible objective.

While you're reading that paper, look for stories about American financial support for Sunni militants in Iraq and Iran - Sunni militants, as in armed factions sympathetic to al Qaeda. The evidence is mounting that this administration has blundered into financing the real enemy, and still refuses to be held accountable.

I'm willing to believe you really thought these guys knew what they were doing. You were wrong. Suck it up and try again, will you? Our kids are dying for nothing.

Vulf
 Jemue

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Posted: 3/30/2007 10:17:14 AM
Pick up a paper, jemue. Fewer than a third of Americans see any value in this occupation.


Well words are one thing, action is another.

From that premise I take it that's it is that third, that make the decisions, do anything, or vote in presidential elections.

As for polls in the USA I've seen enough media to take more stock in people face to face, and the majority of the ones I meet support Bush to the end, if your the wrong colour, have a diffrent opinion or don't kowtow (even if that does mean spending time in the US's shining example of its achievements, being the torture came that is Guantanamo Bay) you are the enemy, "ra ra ra might is right" etc.

The issue here isn't value (or that is more correctly profit) its the moral and ethical issue, that it is basically evil and done with stars and strips flag flying above it, which comes back the country full of the people that voted the warmonger and his regime in twice and supported his actions.


Americans want our kids out of that meat grinder, because no one can identify anything to be gained by our staying there


Indeed it's obvious there is no profit, unless your part of Haliburton or the Republican party (and a few other groups of interest). That's billions and billions of dollars that could go to schools, the rebuilding after katrina , a health system in dire need, and the one thing the country needs the most, education and lots of it.


While you're reading that paper, look for stories about American financial support for Sunni militants in Iraq and Iran - Sunni militants, as in armed factions sympathetic to al Qaeda.


I'm well aware of America's funding policy, I've had enough friends killed in N Ireland where the USA was funding the IRA as "freedom fighters" it took 9/11 to change that view, also the country is big and rich enough that you will find someone funding just about anything. Though what do the majority do ? Pay tax, that goes to the government they elected, which gets spend it on bullets ......


The evidence is mounting that this administration has blundered into financing the real enemy, and still refuses to be held accountable.


That started years ago, and the people's will, belief and available unbiased information is so eroded that I can't see anything being done about it, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et all will walk away laughing at the people that voted them in twice, with their billions. All while kids don't get a good education, vets aren't taken care off, people in New Orleans are having a nightmare of a time, etc. (add on the huge list of problems with the country here).


I'm willing to believe you really thought these guys knew what they were doing. You were wrong.


Oh I know these guys knew what they were doing, though its not what the American people "might" of thought they were doing and its defiantly not what they said, you don't orchestrate a war and regime of that magnitude by mistake. It was well planned, 9/11 was a well manipulated gift that allowed them another 4 years of popular support to carry on the blood letting rampage (and lets not even talk of "friendly fire") against the world.

Yes, I knew what they were doing, unfortunately, the majority of the people in the USA didn't seem to, or more likely care, as long as they get cheap gas and get to watch the news saying that that America can do no wrong and are exporting democracy (which historically has never worked, and this coming from a theocracy thinly disguised as a republic claiming its a democracy, which is even more ironic)


Suck it up and try again, will you?


I've been trying for years to educated Americans as to what they are supporting, a few times I've given up in the face of the typical "patriotic" ranting (I think that's what they call blind hate driving by propaganda) that is the American response to any criticism or offering of a diffrent view.

The thing being is most of the ones I meet are very well aware that it's an invasion for Americas benefit (for several reasons including religious) and they have no issue with it at all, support it fully as long as they get to feel they are doing what they are told is the right thing, there is no concern for anything apart from their own (being the troops) and that's only occasionally, let alone the civilian death toll, allied casualties, cost, war crimes, atrocities committed by the troops on the locals, etc.


Our kids are dying for nothing.


I wouldn't say that, looks like they are doing quite well from someone's point of view ......

http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=HAL&time=5yr


Suck it up and try again, will you?


I think that would be best levelled at yourself, your in the country that is the biggest threat in the world, causing the most damage, has the most troops out murdering around the world, and with arguably the worst and most dangerous regime.

How about you try sorting your government out again ?

Or if you can actually see though the BS, have a chat to a few of your fellow country men who choose not to.
 RANDYS72

Joined: 12/31/2006
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Posted: 3/30/2007 10:37:54 AM
Sorry . I'm an American and cannot support any unpatriotic endeavor.
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