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Posted: 4/3/2007 8:05:19 PM | MSG 128
I don't remember Bush ordering military strikes to bring freedom. I remember Weapons of Mass Destruction (Deception). Bait and switch. Remember the false claim that Iraq was buying significant quantities of yellowcake from Niger? The aluminum tubes that we supposedly for gas centrifuges when it was obvious they were not. And a massive distraction from all the oil they wanted in the first place. You're swallowing the lies of this administration hook line and sinker.
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Posted: 4/3/2007 8:19:47 PM | This thread started in 2005...when the goal was to rid Iraq of WMD, we all know that was a joke with trumped up BS 'intelligence'. Then it was to get rid of that bad man Sadam...even though he was an ally when he was doing stuff like gassing the Kurds. No problem with brutal dictators so long as they play ball...
Okay...so why is the US still there again??? Whatever they say, nobody with any common sense is gonna believe it anyway. Fool me once...
Support the troops, reunite them with their families and bring 'em home.... | |
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Posted: 4/3/2007 8:36:44 PM | | i am very sorry that you feel the way u do. everyone has opinions here is mine; i have a son in the army and i could not be prouder of him and the decision that he made to join the military. my son is not evil or even a murderer he is a strong brave intelligent man that actually believes in what he is doing . i don't think u have a clue what guts determination pride integrity honor and bravery mean to these soldiers and there families, i have to strongly disagree with u these troops need all the support that americans can give them like all of us at home they chose this career and way of life. they work hard play hard and love thieur families and country better than some of those sitting at home handing out critizing them for the job they chose to do and will do with honor pride and bravery. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2007 8:52:18 PM | Don't mistake my criticism of the war in Iraq with criticism of those in the military serving their country...FAR FROM IT. Men and women who are willing to put their lives on the line are to be commended. Patriotism, Bravery, Loyalty....these are extremely valuable commodities and are found in abundant supply with the men and women serving in Iraq...same as with those who fought in Vietnam.
The stated objectives have been achieved...Iraq has no WMD and Sadam is gone. Now bring those patriotic, brave and loyal men and women home to their families and celebrate their commitment.
Just because someone opposes this war doesn't mean they don't support the troops. You are right, there are a lot of people criticizing the war who would never consider military service...a lot of the decisions makers in Washington avoided active military service themselves during the war in VietNam. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2007 9:55:45 PM | Soldiers for the Iraq war are not comparable with Vietnam soldiers. Vietnam there was a draft, and American citizens were forced to fight. Here and now it's a career choice. And these soldiers are being used to secure a sovereign nation's natural resources. I'm not proud of our soldiers being used as hired muscle for an administration of oil mongering thugs.
War is hell. There are no winners in war, only who loses the least.
We were taken to war on a lie. And I do not respect anyone who is killing people in a country who did not attack us and who does not want us there. Our freedom is not at risk from Iraq, it's at risk from these Neo-con fascists in our own government.
All these hundreds of billions of dollars which could have gone to social security, public education, paving out roads, cleaning our water, supplementing college tuition, No, it's going to the military industrial complex and coming out in the form of bombs and bullets. Shame on our government for allowing this mis-administration to grab as much power as it has.
So, Support our Troops, get them out of harms way.
P.S. I'm not grossed out by rats and roaches and someone on here would like to imply. I'm disgusted by the way vets have been treated after they've been maimed in battle. Disgusted that this would be allowed to happen, and that people would make light of the subgect of our wounded vets being housed in squalid conditions. I'm appalled by that. Roaches and rats are ranked higher than this president and his base of unquestioning supporters. | |
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Posted: 4/4/2007 5:41:10 AM | M Dubois said:
Count your lucky stars and be thankful there are brave men and women who will serve to protect and defend the lives and interest of this country and our allies against tyrannical and oppressive regimes.
My problem with this is when has the U.S. or our allies been in danger from these regimes? When have the intersts of the U.S. been in danger? Since i have been around all i have seen is young soldiers being sent to foreign lands to kill and die in the name of imperialism
Support the troops. Bring them home NOW! | |
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Posted: 4/4/2007 7:03:12 AM | i'm no expert that's for sure, but when i see the footage of iraq and even our boys over in afghan country, i can't help thinking of high school history class when our teacher made fun of how the british lost the north american colonies by marching thru the forests row upon row, with their drums and bugles playing and their very bright red tunics sticking out like bullseyes...
i think it was recognized after vietnam that conventional methods of war were being replaced by the guerrilla., which i guess has continued evolving into today's terrorist..so it's ironic that the worlds leader in conventional military might doesn't wake up to this...vietnam was 40 years ago...the terrorists around the world are outmanned for sure, but they're holding their own and still causing terror...someone should wake up to this blatantly obvious fact, unless of course there's a hidden agenda which will need a whole lot of political spin to make the sale
everyone knows the radicals are operating around the world in cells...my gawd, can't our neighbours see they're on a slow boat to hell over in Iraq...with all the stories of lack of armor and watching them going door to door in what looks like swat suits i just shake my head and think of what sean connery says in the untouchables about the man being a damn fool bringing a knife to a gunfight...
to use maybe a sports analogy with the caveat that of course war and lives lost is nothing like sports, but i watch the speedy little pesky, firefly-like buffalo sabres dispose of the slow lumbering, much much bigger, philadelphia flyers in pretty short order in this new hockey world last year...that's how i view what i see on media with this war...irrespective of the fact that this war is about oil and oil only...the rest is false pretense and wag the dog stuff, and it's apparently still quite successful stuff...
ummm, anyone hear of "All the President's Men"...this guy's cut from the same cloth
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Posted: 4/4/2007 8:04:42 AM | get mad baby, you said:
Vietnam there was a draft, and American citizens were forced to fight. Here and now it's a career choice.
Valid point, however I would toss in that a good number of those serving in the military are there because of inability to find remunerative employment elsewhere. Not all...some come from families with a long standing history of service to their country, others are first generation patriots ....Unlike so many in Washington pushing military solutions who got stints in the National Gaurd or state militias to avoid seeing active duty.
If Colin Powell or McCain were calling the shots it would lend a great deal more credibility....mind you Powell is done after the adminstration embarassed him with that bogus intelligence in front of the UN. The UN wasn't fooled though. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 5:53:43 PM | As my son and his buddies are in Iraq and Afghanistan... you people have the gall to say my son and his friends ...fight for nothing...or maybe they would be so worthy as y"all to do nothing other than post? and flip articles? about what you may think is the wrong thing? Why don't you talk to the people in the field and see how it really is..
"inability to find employment"? to you, religioussinner...you should be grateful that my son and his buddies are covering your behind. You might be surprised at the bright young men that choose to to do this, because they love their country.
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Posted: 4/5/2007 6:25:36 PM | | They are dupes. "Fighting for my country" is an empty phrase. Every soldier in every war has been fighting for their county. The thing is, the war is wrong all the way through. Just because you put on a uniform doesn't mean what you do wearing it is good. In this war, the US is in the wrong. That means the soldiers are the ones who are doing the wrong, whether that is their intention or not. Your son is misled at best. There is no basis for supporting an army when it conducts a war under false pretenses against a civilian population that did nothing to provoke war. Without the lies given as the excuse, the war is a perverse affront to every value expressed in our constitution. Even with the lies as rationalization, it represents mistaken policy, doomed to fail, based on obsolete assumptions from earlier misreadings of history, from earlier failed policies. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 7:15:33 PM | For all of you people who say that our troops don't deserve your respect and support because it's a volunteer army, or because we are in a war we shouldn't be in. Do you people realize that it's these brave, dedicated, young men and women that are keeping your a$$ safe. How long do you think it would be if the USA had no military before some country would be attacking us ?
As for the war, just because it's your opinion we shouldn't be there, doesnt mean it's everyone's opinion that we shouldn't be there. Our service personnel don't get to choose where and when they will fight, they entrust that decision to our elected officials. Imagine the chaos if a soldier could decide for himself or herself if there mission was just or not.
Imagine a country attacking the USA, or one of our ships, how about another 911, boy I bet you people would be more than glad you had someone to defend you then. I bet you wouldn't want our military personnel saying, well now wait a minute, I'm not sure if this war is just or not, let me think this over.
I'm not even going to go into the subject of the intelligence, training and education, needed to be in today's Armed Services.
I think what makes me proudest, most thankful to our service personnel is that they are willing to risk it all so that even people like you have the freedom to spew their venom. I'll be sure to thank them on your behalf. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 8:01:59 PM | Jumbo...i wonder why you think "fighting for my country" is an empty phrase.
The soldiers are doing wrong? My son is not mislead. My son is doing great things while he is in Afghanistan and my other son is currently in Iraq, as he is doing great things also.
I think that you should be grateful.
Because, if we didn't have the guys that we do, you might not be able to say what you do... go figure | |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 8:14:30 PM | tralala...I wasn't meaning to deman your son's commitment, or that of his buddies.
you should be grateful that my son and his buddies are covering your behind
We have a difference of opinion. There are those who believe the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are all about "taking the fight to the enemy". I don't happen to share that view. It's the same argument Hitler used when he invaded soverign nations...'if we don't attack we'll be fighting them here in the father/homeland'.
It isn't an easy issue, to say the least. And it's harder still when governments engage in campaigns of disinformation to justify their actions. But that's the game...the simple solution is to brand anyone opposed to the wars as unpatriotic and ignorant. Bush has done of good job of 'jump starting the propoganda' as he so eloquently put it. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 8:19:38 PM | There is much I have to say on this issue, so instead I will post a link to my sentiments exactly.
http://www.icl-fi.org/english/wv/888/crawl.html | |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 8:20:00 PM | When were our liberties in jeopardy from Iraq?
Great things? I don't remember being attacked by Iraqis. All I know that they're guilty of is sitting atop a sea of oil. Great things? Being lied to, going to war under false pretenses against a country reduced to starvation after years of sanctions, with no air force, no navy, and no ability to create a "Smoking Gun In The Form Of A Mushroom Cloud" much less the ability to produce an intercontinental ballistic missile. That country was a threat and was going to take away our liberties? Liberties which our own government is sidestepping. No. This occupation is profit motivated. If the terrorists hated freedom, then why aren't they attacking other countries which are truly more free than us? Such as Holland, Switzerland, Canada. No, America has it's footprint all over the Middle East for it's precious oil. That is why we're there, and that is what our soldiers are dying for. Oil. Even the pentagon confirms Hussein was not cooperating with Al Qaeda!
<div class='quote'>Captured Iraqi documents and intelligence interrogations of Saddam Hussein and two former aides "all confirmed" that Hussein's regime was not directly cooperating with al-Qaeda before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, according to a declassified Defense Department report released yesterday.
America is the largest purveyors of STATE SPONSORED terrorism in the world. B-52's carpet bombing, Depleted Uranium (i.e. Radioactive) shells, Cluster bombs, cruise missiles, White Phosphorous, etc etc. Used against people that are innocent and already on their knees. And you that think its okay to invade countries using these weapons?
"To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the SUPREME INTERNATIONAL CRIME differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."
-- US Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson, presiding over the Nuremberg Trials in 1946.
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Posted: 4/5/2007 8:25:05 PM | | Tralala_Tell your sons and his buddies that I’m very proud and grateful for their military service. The majority of everybody in this country feels the same way. Most of our soldiers are doing an outstanding job in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. While the naysayers habitually complain, second guess and criticize, your son and his buddies make things happen with or without 100% support of this country and it’s allies. Your son and his buddies follow in the same foot steps of many of our great forefathers who risked their lives, so that others may live in freedom. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 8:30:21 PM | All hail the glorious amries of the Reich, defending the Homeland against the military might of the great armies of Afhanistan and Iraq.
So many people wondered how Hitler was able to dupe the Germans into supporting unprovoked wars of agression...they're getting their answer. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 8:41:18 PM | m dubois,
Thank you very much... thank you
These guys are doing a GREAT job. They believe in all things good. And they continue on the path that they do.
It's called Freedom, for you, me and everyone else.
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Posted: 4/5/2007 8:48:49 PM | Again, how was our freedom ever in jeopardy?
Even the pentagon confirmed that Hussein's regime was not cooperating with al-Qaeda before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, according to a declassified Defense Department report released yesterday.
You're proud of this mess? This LIE that is the Iraq war.
For Shame. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 9:12:58 PM | Mr "sinner",
I might take you more serious in re to what you say if your spelling was better and you know what "Germans" are all about. As i am half German and half Swede.
When my son was at a "base" in Afghanistan, he worked along side many Canadians. And those Canadians were the best, also wanting freedom and willing to put their life on the line. Because, if they don't do it now...bad things might happen in the future and if bad things happen in the future, you might not be safe. So, i think it might be best to have the utmost respect for your troops and "my" troops.
Be grateful...be very grateful that people are willing to put their life on the line to do their best to keep you free.
I tend to think that you enjoy your freedom of speech. Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, etc.... i don't think they have so much in re to freedom of speech. Once again, I will say to you... be grateful for what you have and be grateful that you have people willing to give their lives so you can continue to ramble. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 9:23:35 PM | tralala....
Because, if they don't do it now...bad things might happen in the future and if bad things happen in the future, you might not be safe. *** My Bold ***
Okay...so what you're saying is the ends justify the means? It certainly seems that way. So in order to ensure our safety we need to abandon all the precepts of civilized western society???
Evidence??? Justifiable Cause??? Pffffffffffffft, we MIGHT not be safe. Let's do away with all that and if our glorious leaders lie and deceive us it is only to protect us. You won't mind if that means the state will be spying on it's own citizens like in the old USSR.
Incidently...why was Saddam Hussein good before when GHWB broke bread with him and Rummy was shaking his hand??? He was gassing and torturing then too...but I guess it's okay when an ally is a brutal dictator. It would explain why there's still relations with abusive nations like Uzbekistan. I wonder...if Iran starts selling it's oil for Euros instead of USD as has been reported....What lies might be spread about them to make people scared that Iran MIGHT wish to infringe upon our safety? | |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 10:15:37 PM | Ref. to MSG 165_
get_mad_baby, you say you don’t remember being attacked by Iraqis.
I submit to you that you’re not following the news too well, so I ‘m going to post an incident that happened just the other day.
According to the AP, 5APR07_Insurgents in Iraq wielding small arms and rocket-propelled grenades attacked coalition troops 340 miles SE of Baghdad. I don’t know about you, but that sure looks like an attack by Iraqis to me. Albeit a bad element of Iraq, for not all Iraqis attack US troops. Indeed, many are our allies.
get mad baby, you and others seems to have a problem with the definition of terrorism. Before you use the term I feel you need to know what it means.
Terrorism is the INDISCRIMINATE killing of INNOCENT people as a matter of POLICY. I capitalized the key words to help ensure you don’t gloss over them.
The US and other civilized countries do not kill innocent people indiscriminately as a matter of policy. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 10:24:57 PM | I'll go to wikipedia for a definition:
An insurgency, or insurrection, is an armed uprising, or revolt against an established civil or political authority.
So it was Yankee insurgents who fought against the British??? This is kind of neat, invade a soverign nation....install a puppet government. Anyone who fights against it is an insurgent or a terrorist. Interesting...history as always will be written by the victors. Vietnam's national holiday is the Tet holiday for example. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2007 8:34:45 AM |
Be grateful...be very grateful that people are willing to put their life on the line to do their best to keep you free.
Sorry but I don't buy that crap either! In fact, I am tired of hearing it!!! Soldiers are putting their lives at risk for the greed of a handful of leaders and nothing more. Iraq and Afghanistan NEVER attacked the US. Why do people still refuse to believe it is beyond comprehension.
Fear is a powerful weapon and God knows that some world leaders will use it shamelessly so that they can profit from it.
Because, if they don't do it now...bad things might happen in the future and if bad things happen in the future, you might not be safe
MIGHT…MIGHT HAPPEN in the future. Well the sky MIGHT fall in the future as well but then if it did happened, there’s nothing much we could do about it…right? No one can predict the future as if we could, Bush and his league of liars would’ve been shot a long time ago. Might happen in the future…what a joke!
It’s just scare tactics propaganda and nothing more. A vast majority of the US citizens don’t buy into it anymore while most around the globe can see the stupidity of it all but then there’s still some in the US who just don’t get it.
According to the AP, 5APR07_Insurgents in Iraq wielding small arms and rocket-propelled grenades attacked coalition troops 340 miles SE of Baghdad. I don’t know about you, but that sure looks like an attack by Iraqis to me. Albeit a bad element of Iraq, for not all Iraqis attack US troops. Indeed, many are our allies.
Does this surprise you? Let's see here, the US is an occupying force in Iraq...right?
Terrorism is the INDISCRIMINATE killing of INNOCENT people as a matter of POLICY Let's be a little more specific. It also means..."The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group or country against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons." Ok…now let’s move on shall we? …
The US and other civilized countries do not kill innocent people indiscriminately as a matter of policy.
You must live in a nice little pink bubble and refuse to see what happened in the past and is happening today around the globe…AMAZING!!!
" * the hundreds of thousands of civilians incinerated in the U.S. fire bombings of Hamburg, Dresden and Tokyo, and in the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki;
* the two to five million post-World-War-II refugees from the Soviet Union who were forcibly returned to Stalin, to face either immediate execution or a slow death in the Gulag, on the orders of Roosevelt and Eisenhower in Operation Keelhaul;
* the millions of civilians who died from hunger and disease as a result of U.S.-instigated mass starvation of Germans during 1945-1950 under the Morgenthau Plan;
* the millions of Native Americans killed by soldiers and occupiers of their land in the 19th Century or allowed to starve to death by the U.S. government in the 20th (a clear case of genocide);
* the thousands of Iranians tortured and murdered by SAVAK, the secret police of the regime installed in 1953 as a result of a CIA-led coup which overthrew the popular Iranian Premier, Mossadegh);
* The six million people the CIA has helped to kill are people of the Mitumba Mountains of the Congo, the jungles of Southeast Asia, and the hills of northern Nicaragua. They are people without ICBMs or armies or navies, incapable of doing ANY physical damage to the United States.
* the murder of between 20,000 and 40,000 Vietnamese from 1968 to 1971 by the CIA in their political assassination program Operation Phoenix;
* the million or so Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians killed by the American military in the 1960s and 70s whilst defending their countries from American domination (or simply because they happened to be where the Americans carried out their carpet bombings);
* the tens of thousands of civilians who were tortured and murdered by CIA-installed dictatorships in Central and South America;
* the 200,000 people (all civilians) killed (using U.S.-supplied equipment) as a result of Indonesia's invasion of East Timor in 1975 for which prior approval was given by the then U.S. President and U.S. Secretary of State (Ford and Kissinger);
* the six million Brazilian Indians who have died as a result of the policies of multinational corporations;
* the 10,000 to 20,000 people, mostly civilians, killed in the U.S.-supported 1982 invasion of Lebanon by Israel;
* the 300,000 Iranians killed in the Iran/Iraq war, which was started by Iraq at the instigation of the U.S. (which supplied Iraq with the weapons it used);
* the 200,000 civilians killed by Reagan's CIA-cocaine-funded Contras in Nicaragua, El Salvador and Honduras in the 1980s;
* the 6,000 (perhaps as many as 20,000) Iraqi civilians killed during the 41 days and nights of bombing by the British and the Americans in 1991 (during which time the civilian infrastructure was targeted, a war crime), including:
* the 500 civilians (including whole families) burnt alive and turned into cinders when American missiles penetrated a shelter in Baghdad;
* the tens of thousands of Iraqi conscripts slaughtered on the "Highway of Death" by U.S. Navy pilots during their attempted retreat from Kuwait in 1991 (another war crime because the soldiers killed were not in a combat situation);
* the tens of thousands of Kurdish civilians killed in South-East Turkey during the 1990s by Turkish government soldiers using weapons and equipment supplied to them by the U.S. (which knew exactly what they were doing with them);
* the tens of thousands of civilians in Sudan who have died due to the absence of medicines resulting from the destruction of the Sudanese pharmaceutical plant by American cruise missiles in 1998 and from the economic sanctions imposed on Sudan;
* the one to two million Iraqi civilians, two-thirds of them children, who have died in the last ten years as a result of the effects of the hundreds of tons of cancer-causing depleted uranium left over from the million or so exploded rounds of DU ammunition used in attacks by American warplanes in the 1991 American/British 6-week terrorist campaign against Iraq and from the subsequent U.S./British-imposed economic blockade and criminally punitive sanctions (not to mention those killed by the bombing raids which occur every week);
* and the tens of millions of civilians who die every year in Third World countries from starvation, disease and despair because their countries are mired in poverty and corruption as a result of economic exploitation by American multinationals acting with the support and approval of the American government.
* "From 1945 to 2003, the United States attempted to overthrow more than 40 foreign governments, and to crush more than 30 populist-nationalist movements fighting against intolerable regimes. In the process, the US bombed some 25 countries, caused the end of life for several million people, and condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair."
William Blum
"Are 1 million post-invasion Iraqi excess deaths, the direct result of violations of international laws as well as the Geneva Conventions that demand that Occupiers keep their conquered subjects alive, not enough for the International Community to start moving to impose the toughest sanctions against America?
Saddam Hussein was sentenced to death for his alleged role in a campaign that led to the death of 148 Iraqis, which the court trying the former Iraqi leader labeled a crime against humanity. Are the daily deaths in Iraq, some by the military and some by the instability that ripped through the country, not a crime against humanity?
The world should wake up to these gross abuses of humanity before it’s too late to punish the criminals."
And what about the full support the US gave in the past and present times to the most violent, sadistic rulers on this earth??? People...sorry...Animals such as:
Abacha, General Sani ----------------------------Nigeria
Amin, Idi ------------------------------------------Uganda
Banzer, Colonel Hugo ---------------------------Bolivia
Batista, Fulgencio --------------------------------Cuba
Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal ----------------------------Brunei
Botha, P.W. ---------------------------------------South Africa
Branco, General Humberto ---------------------Brazil
Cedras, Raoul -------------------------------------Haiti
Cerezo, Vinicio -----------------------------------Guatemala
Chiang Kai-Shek ---------------------------------Taiwan
Cordova, Roberto Suazo ------------------------Honduras
Christiani, Alfredo -------------------------------El Salvador
Diem, Ngo Dihn ---------------------------------Vietnam
Doe, General Samuel ----------------------------Liberia
Duvalier, Francois --------------------------------Haiti
Duvalier, Jean Claude-----------------------------Haiti
Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, King ---------------------Saudi Arabia
Franco, General Francisco -----------------------Spain
Hitler, Adolf ---------------------------------------Germany
Hassan II-------------------------------------------Morocco
Marcos, Ferdinand -------------------------------Philippines
Martinez, General Maximiliano Hernandez ---El Salvador
Mobutu Sese Seko -------------------------------Zaire
Noriega, General Manuel ------------------------Panama
Ozal, Turgut --------------------------------------Turkey
Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza ---------------Iran
Papadopoulos, George --------------------------Greece
Park Chung Hee ---------------------------------South Korea
Pinochet, General Augusto ---------------------Chile
Pol Pot---------------------------------------------Cambodia
Rabuka, General Sitiveni ------------------------Fiji
Montt, General Efrain Rios ---------------------Guatemala
Salassie, Halie ------------------------------------Ethiopia
Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira --------------------Portugal
Somoza, Anastasio Jr. --------------------------Nicaragua
Somoza, Anastasio, Sr. -------------------------Nicaragua
Smith, Ian ----------------------------------------Rhodesia
Stroessner, Alfredo -----------------------------Paraguay
Suharto, General ---------------------------------Indonesia
Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas -----------------------Dominican Republic
Videla, General Jorge Rafael ------------------Argentina
Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed ----------------------Pakistan
-----------------------------------------------------Israel
All of them were supported directly or indirectly by the USA torturing and killing MILLIONS of innocent people.
Saying that, now let’s look at another definition…A terrorist State:
A 'terrorist state': Is a state or country which supports terrorists either through allowing them access, providing financial help or providing arms.
Considering the past and present actions of the USA, did the US provide support to any terror groups or regimes?
Well, according to who the US supported, USA is the perfect definition of terrorism.
So please, keep your bullshit for yourself as most will never buy it anyway!
The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are not there to defend our freedom. Never were and never will be. The reasons for them to be there is greed and world domination…Nothing more!!!
They are also there to cultivate terrorism so that we can have even more wars in the future.
Wake up already! Bring the men and women back home. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2007 7:00:47 PM | Ref. to MSG 174_
gentalalltheway, “Discriminate“, “innocent” and “policy” are very specific words, which is why I capitalized them, and it makes the clear distinction between what the terrorist are doing and what the US is doing.
gentalalltheway, your definition is too vague. I suppose stepping on an ant would be a terrorist act according to your definition. Get real. | |
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