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 ReligiousSinner

Joined: 2/1/2007
Msg: 176
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Posted: 4/6/2007 7:09:02 PM
Fantastic post gentalltheway....absolutely fantastic!!!

Don't expect any converts though....not many anyway. Nobody likes being played for a fool and it's few and far between the number of people who'll admit they were hoodwinked. Better to just keep drinking the Kool-Ade and telling everyone within earshot how good it tastes. The US support brutal dictators??? It never happened, I'm not listening to you "LA DA DA DA DA". The US is good...Iraq is bad, so anything Iraqis do is bad.

Simple solutions...for simple people.
 m_dubois

Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 177
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Posted: 4/6/2007 7:39:59 PM
Correction to MSG 175, should be “indiscriminate” rather than “discriminate”.

Also, I want to change the last statement in MSG 175 to just a rhetorical question.
Is stepping on an ant a terrorist act?

I probably won’t debate anyone in here further on any other irrelevant postings to the OP. This isn’t the anti-support troops thread, it’s the SUPPORT TROOPS thread. If you want to be anti-US troops make a new thread for that purpose. All you are doing is sabotaging the intent of the OP and acting like a child. Everyone knows you have another point of view, but the intent of the OP is to bring together others who support the troops, not listen to a bunch of people whining and complaining. There are many other forums to express your anti-troop and anti-US sentiments. Be respectful of the OP wishes.
 ReligiousSinner

Joined: 2/1/2007
Msg: 178
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Posted: 4/6/2007 7:43:05 PM
The ultimate respect and support military troops occupying foreign lands could get...would be their return to their native soil.

Most people support the troops, it's those directing their activities who are being derided.
 gentalltheway

Joined: 9/9/2006
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Posted: 4/7/2007 8:46:01 AM

Indiscriminate“, “innocent” and “policy” are very specific words, which is why I capitalized them, and it makes the clear distinction between what the terrorist are doing and what the US is doing

Hmmm…Interesting…so I guess when someone reads something such as…


Since the 2003 invasion, there have been daily massacres of “INNOCENT” Iraqis by U.S. Marines with the full knowledge of the U.S. military chain of command


or…


Hundreds of thousands of “INNOCENT” Iraqis, mostly women and children have been slaughtered in cold blood and in cowardly fashion. These countless massacres by U.S. forces were obfuscated and barely reported by Western media.


And how about…


On the morning of 19 November 2005, U.S. Marines were on their way to Haditha, in northwest Iraq. When they were attacked and later failed to find their attackers, they deliberately and “INDISCRIMINATELY” massacred 24 Iraqi civilians in the Subhani district of Haditha. The victims”range from little babies to adult males and females”. Initially, the U.S. Marines alleged that 15 “insurgents” and civilians were killed in “cross fire”. As usual, the U.S. Marines lied about the massacre and tried to cover it up. It was the video of an Iraqi journalism student from Haditha which prompted the Time to investigate the massacre.


And let’s not forget…


In April 2004, U.S. forces siege the vibrant city of Fallujah and “INDISCRIMINATELY” and deliberately killed more that 800 civilians in cold blood. Again, in November 2004, U.S. forces bombed the city with napalm bombs white Phosphorous, “depleted” uranium and cluster bombs. More than 6000 innocent civilians, mostly women and children were massacred, and the entire city was destroyed in gross violation of the Geneva Conventions and international law. The silence of Western media was deafening despite the enormity of the committed war crimes.


I can go on and on but I think it should be enough to make a point…Wouldn’t you agree?

So, are you saying that the very same “specific” words should be taken without due consideration because they were applied to US soldiers?

It has been proven without a doubt that the “POLICY” of the US in regards to “INDISCRIMINATELY and DELIBERATELY killing innocent civilians is real just as it is for any terrorist around the globe.


your definition is too vague. I suppose stepping on an ant would be a terrorist act according to your definition. Get real.


Too vague??? Perhaps it was too direct for you or maybe just a bit over your head? Too vague??? Are you kidding me? It couldn’t be more in your face than that.
As for the “stepping on an ant” question goes, are you trying to bring Muslim laws in this??? A stupid question that should deserve a stupid answer but then I will simply refrain myself for the time being. By the way, is that all you have to work with?


I probably won’t debate anyone in here further on any other irrelevant postings to the OP. This isn’t the anti-support troops thread, it’s the SUPPORT TROOPS thread. If you want to be anti-US troops make a new thread for that purpose. All you are doing is sabotaging the intent of the OP and acting like a child.


Acting like a child? Is that why you have been debating some posters in here for 9 days so far? Or perhaps it is the fact that you cant find an answer/excuses to my last post?

This is a thread which demands opinions. “Discussion threads tend to develop sub-topics, posts addressing sub-topics, or issues on the periphery of the subject matter, are only valid if they relate to the topic of the OP” to which I believe they all do.

If you can’t take the heat, move away from the stove and stop whining like a kid or better yet, attempting to find excuses for US criminals.

I do NOT support the troops for occupying countries that NEVER attacked the US or even worst, killing innocent civilians!!!

A lot of Americans can see the bullshit of it all which is why they want the troops back home.

Wake up already!
 jumbo shrimp

Joined: 3/28/2007
Msg: 180
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Posted: 4/7/2007 8:50:59 AM
There is no waking up from the American Dream, don't you know. You can present facts all day and the snoring will drown them out. The dream of being a soldier, the dream of being the best nation on earth, the dream of being good against evil, the dream of being the chosen and the righteous few beset by demons on all sides, this dream is how such people live, and to wake them from it is to kill their hearts dead. That is why they are sending their children to die on the altar of their dream. Facts don't matter. They need the thrill they get when the flag is raised, even if it is then folded and placed in their lap.
 tralala

Joined: 1/3/2004
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Posted: 4/7/2007 1:13:19 PM
gentalltheway,

As my son fights alongside your Canadian troops... what is your problem?

Did they just not do a good thing in these past few days?

I believe they did.

We had a few injuries, but no death. Taliban is on the run.

Thank God for these brave, selfless people.

Have some respect.

The other thing is...you have freedom of speech. Think about it....

As always, sign me off as Proud Armymom
 Hoop

Joined: 5/1/2006
Msg: 182
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Posted: 4/7/2007 1:31:01 PM
How many troops are over there again?
And how long have they been over there now?
Doesn't anyone wonder what the hell is really going on over there?
We have had the technology to disarm mines (more fashionably IEDs)
remotely, for quite some time now... hell, we have the technology to subdue whole villages. This whole story that we are at war hasn't washed as anything except a story, from the start.
Wake up Mom's and Dad's.
Do you know where your children are?
 LordofArachnids

Joined: 3/2/2007
Msg: 183
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Posted: 4/7/2007 1:35:06 PM
i defnitely support our troops, except i support pulling them out, i think we are fighting a war that we should have no part in. If any it is time to take a stant and tell america we will no longer help fight their war
 tralala

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Posted: 4/7/2007 2:28:37 PM
Goodness Hoop,

How many troops where? Iraq? Afghanistan?

You mention IED's, in Iraq or Afghanistan?

You also mention disarming these IED's. Did ya ever think that many IED's might be leftover? the Russian thingee? in re to Afghanistan.
And if so, maybe they are there and maybe many years have taken a toll on these IED's, so maybe they are still there and beneath the sand. Ya think?

And, yes, thanks for asking, i am awake... and yes, i know where they are.....

in Iraq and Afghanistan.....

as i continue to sign off as...A Proud Army mom
 gentalltheway

Joined: 9/9/2006
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Posted: 4/7/2007 3:36:59 PM

As my son fights alongside your Canadian troops... what is your problem?


What do you expect from me? A tear or two? Sorry...it will never happen!

My problem is to see people such as yourself approving an illegal war (Iraq) and being proud of sending their own children in harms way to profit a few political leaders.
To blindly accept whatever your own government is saying without questioning their motives.
To have the nerve of saying how much progress was made in Afghanistan and Iraq while in fact it is the same if not worst than it was 5 years ago.
Here’s my favorite…to say that they are there to protect our freedom!!! WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!

You also love to mention: “Have some respect”! How about you having some respect for ALL THE LOST LIVES IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN??? Innocent people, women and children not to mention the soldiers dying because a friggin warmonger decided that they should! You should have respect for their souls by shutting the hell up!

I mentioned before that I do NOT support our Canadian troops in Afghanistan and wish to see them pulled out ASAP.

jumbo mumbo said it best in his Msg 180 and very eloquently put I may add. People are so blinded by the American Dream. But this part was hit on the head…
They need the thrill they get when the flag is raised, even if it is then folded and placed in their lap.


So true Sir. So true!
 gentlepatrick

Joined: 3/26/2006
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Posted: 4/7/2007 4:17:43 PM

Did ya ever think that many IED's might be leftover? the Russian thingee? in re to Afghanistan.
And if so, maybe they are there and maybe many years have taken a toll on these IED's, so maybe they are still there and beneath the sand. Ya think?


now that is an interesting thought. so you, as a mom with what you have claimed is a better perspective thatn we have because your sons are there, you are telling us that, while the media reports that the IEDs are planted by 'terrorists' or insurgents, they might just be left over from the Russian war? interesting
 tralala

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Posted: 4/7/2007 6:44:11 PM
Gentallthway,

All i can say to you is ..i think you are awful.

So, you think that the women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan should suffer? Do you believe in stoning? As they do.. dig a pit and stone a woman to death. Is that ok? And kill the children because... just because they want to? is that ok? Or, maybe ya want to see that person hung in a the square, ya know...where ya buy vegtables and stuff and then you see that dead body hang.

You should br greatful.... for many things
 gentlepatrick

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Posted: 4/7/2007 6:50:34 PM

Do you believe in stoning? As they do.. dig a pit and stone a woman to death. Is that ok? And kill the children because... just because they want to? is that ok? Or, maybe ya want to see that person hung in a the square, ya know...where ya buy vegtables and stuff and then you see that dead body hang.


what in thunder are you getting at there??? are you saying your sons told you that is the 'custom' there? well guess what, do you really thinkour invasion will change that? plus I dont believe those are common practices at all in Iraq.
 flyguy51

Joined: 8/11/2005
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Posted: 4/7/2007 7:15:21 PM

So, you think that the women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan should suffer?

It is no wonder some support the invasion if they believe it is actually putting an end to the suffering of Iraq's and Afghanistan's citizens. What a blissfully innocent point of view! The harsh reality, however, is that these invasions are not making things better for the citizenry overall. Yes, the people were suffering under their respective totalitarian regimes. But many citizens are saying that at least they could avoid and predict the penalties of that form of government. Now, Iraq is just a free-for-all, and merely sitting in one's living room can get one killed by any number of groups (yes, including US soldiers).

What's worse, many in government warned of this possibility prior to the invasion, but they were roundly ignored by the Bush administration.
 gentalltheway

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Posted: 4/7/2007 8:30:52 PM

All i can say to you is ..i think you are awful.

So, you think that the women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan should suffer? Do you believe in stoning? As they do.. dig a pit and stone a woman to death. Is that ok? And kill the children because... just because they want to? is that ok? Or, maybe ya want to see that person hung in a the square, ya know...where ya buy vegtables and stuff and then you see that dead body hang.

You should br greatful.... for many things


All I can say is that you are full of crap or in complete denial of reality!

At first, it was a war against WMD’s...It was bullshit
Then it switched to tyranny from Saddam… Compared to what the US is doing, Saddam is now an Angel.
After, the alliance between Saddam and Al Qaeda/ Still more bullshit
And now you have the audacity to bring up stoning? Stoning doesn’t exist in Iraq. Among the countries that still practice stoning are Afghanistan, Iran, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and the United Arab Emirates. Get your facts straight.

But you truly are pissing me off by talking about women and children suffering considering all that the US has done so far by systematically destroying Iraq and it’s citizens.


Three years after the US-led invasion of Iraq, women's secular freedoms - once the envy of women across the Middle East - have been snatched away because militant Islam is rising across the country.

Under Saddam, women played little part in political life but businesswomen and academics traveled the country unchallenged while their daughters mixed freely with male students at university.

Now, even the most emancipated woman feels cowed.

Women are now suffering in Iraq because of the WAR. Not because of Saddam ousted governement.

The only reason the same is not happening in Afghanistan is that the military forces are lead by NATO.

As far as stoning in Afghanistan goes, sure it happened under the Taliban regime and it has been practiced since biblical times as punishment for adultery. Cruel? Of course but it’s not up to a country to attempt to force changes upon their citizens and laws by going to war with them. Human rights groups have been working on this for a long time and made giant steps within Islamic countries. As a matter of fact, stoning is now rarely performed in Iran because of international pressure.

Hundreds of thousands of people are dead and even more crippled because of this war. Attempting to use women and children suffering in those countries as an EXCUSE for the war is not only low but a true sign of ignorance at it’s very best.
You can keep your eyes closed as you obviously refuse to truly see the reasons for the suffering in Iraq. It’s suits you as you have children in the military. That’s fine but don’t try to sell crap in here as most will see it for what it is…BULLSHIT!
 m_dubois

Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 191
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Posted: 4/7/2007 8:35:57 PM
Ref. to MSG 179_

gentalalltheway, I see you are still fomenting in here. If supporting the troops to you is bringing them home then that’s your opinion, we have already established that. Now let‘s stick to the intent of the OP, which doesn’t ask if we should be there or not. The OP simply wants to reach out to other like minded individuals who support the troops. So you and your chums need to go to http://soldiersangels.org/ . Quit complaining, acting jealous, whining , etc. Do something constructive. Adopt a soldier and send him a care package. Give blood, anything but act childish. Also, see MSG 142 for other ways to support the troops. This isn’t the forum for you to act retarded in. Complaining isn’t debating nor is ranting and raving. Get down off your soap box, you aren’t changing anyone’s mind in here. Especially mine .

gentalalltheway, you forgot "policy". The definition requires all three of the specific words I mentioned. Also stick to the present.
 gentalltheway

Joined: 9/9/2006
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Posted: 4/7/2007 11:10:30 PM
Ah m_dubois, I see that you still find it difficult to debate properly in here.

I am quite happy to see that it is not given to any idiot to decide who is off topic as most threads would lack a certain je ne sais quoi in regards to discussions within a subject. Saying that, it is clear that I am on topic as I am still in here. If you do not agree, then perhaps you should take this to the moderators and ask to have my posts remove unless of course you have already but failed at doing so.


Quit complaining, acting jealous, whining , etc.

Hmmm, isn’t it exactly what you have been doing for the past 10 days or so?


you aren’t changing anyone’s mind in here. Especially mine

If there’s one thing that I have learned in here, it’s that most people who are wrong will never admit it even with facts thrown at their faces. At that point, we certainly can’t call it ignorance anymore as the information was passed along. At that point, it just becomes stupidity.


you forgot "policy". The definition requires all three of the specific words I mentioned. Also stick to the present.

I didn’t actually. Perhaps you should go back and read it again. As far as “stick to the present” goes? Is the war over? Is it a thing of the past or is it still going on? Tell me…How much more “present” do you need it to be???

I suppose I can understand the fact that you cannot debate properly. Sometimes, it’s just over one’s head and trying to keep up or challenge a post becomes extremely difficult particularly when facts are thrown in here. It’s probably the reason why some will use insults at that point to try to place themselves above the rest.

Patriotism in the US is very powerful. So much so that sometimes it border’s insanity.

Again, if you don’t agree with what I wrote then complain to the people/moderators as I don’t give a rat’s as s as of how you may feel about it. If the rules are followed, then I guess you will be stuck with me in here.

Let’s bring our soldiers back where they belong...Home!

PS: please excuse any grammar errors as I am French to begin with.
 slysterling

Joined: 1/9/2007
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Posted: 4/7/2007 11:35:05 PM
Policy? you mean like:


The Few. The Proud. The Disillusioned. Conflict in Iraq: Some active duty troops, while proud to serve, are speaking out and signing a petition against the war

Joe Garofoli
SF Chronicle
Saturday April 7, 2007

A few signs of dissent are appearing in the military aside from conscientious objectors and newly realized pacificists. Last month, a career chief master sergeant in the Air Force wrote an opinion piece in the military newspaper Stars and Stripes opposing the war, and a busload of retired veterans and civilian activists toured military bases in the South, hoping to coax more support from active duty soldiers

Last week, retired Marine Corps Lt. Col. Andrew Horne, who served in the Persian Gulf two years ago, rebutted President Bush's weekly radio address.
Said Horne: "The commander-in-chief has failed to properly lead the troops, and previous Congresses didn't ask the tough questions or demand accountability. The result is the mess we are in today."
These inside-the-fortress expressions of opposition are almost always prefaced with words of respect for the military, of their comrades' patriotic service to their country.




The Evidence Is There: It’s Time for Congress to Investigate the Ties Between the Bush Family and Osama bin Laden

Lucy Komisar
IPS News
Friday, April 6, 2007

The following is taken from a chapter, "The BCCI Game: Banking on America, Banking on Jihad," by investigative journalist Lucy Komisar in the new book "A Game as Old as Empire," just published by Berrett-Koehler (San Francisco).

Now that the U.S. Congress is investigating the truth of President George W. Bush's statements about the Iraq war, they might look into one of his most startling assertions: that there was a link between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.

Critics dismissed that as an invention. They were wrong. There was a link, but not the one Bush was selling. The link between Hussein and Bin Laden was their banker, BCCI. But the link went beyond the dictator and the jihadist -- it passed through Saudi Arabia and stretched all the way to George W. Bush and his father
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/060407ties.htm



Bush Lies: Stated Wiretap Required Court Order

What a difference a year makes -- or is an election? Back in 2004, George W. Bush was caught on camera explaining very carefully that the government always requires a court order when "chasing down terrorists." Trying to sell the Patriot Act -- which he wanted renewed but which was coming under increasing fire from all sides of the political spectrum -- Bush was very clear that "a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way." By that, he meant that
neither the Patriot Act nor its ostensible cause -- the 9/11 terrorist attacks -- changed the absolute legal requirement for the government to get a court order before ordering wiretaps against suspected terrorists.

(One interesting side note: Bush continually refers to ordering wiretaps against "terrorists" -- not suspects. This is highly revealing of his mindset: anyone who is suspected of being a terrorist automatically IS a terrorist. This mindset has permeated the entire military and security apparatus: that's why countless innocent people have been jailed and tortured around the world: because all suspects are regarded as guilty -- no matter how shaky or specious or non-existent the basis of their capture.)

But this week, Bush has outed himself as a liar. He has admitted -- even boasted -- of his secret spy program that operated without any warrants or any recourse to judicial oversight whatsoever -- not even the FISA program which could have given him the broadest possible scope to order wiretaps and surveillance of suspected terrorists. Last year, before the election, Bush was insisting that wiretaps could be only issued by a court order; now, after the election, he freely admits that this is not the case.

http://infowars.com/articles/ps/bush_lies_stated_wiretap_court_orders.htm



Post 9/11 Anthrax & Beltway Sniper Attacks: Well Timed Inside Jobs?

Were the post 9/11 anthrax mail attacks a well timed 'inside job' designed to target and intimidate U.S. senate opponents to the White House sponsored Patriot Act just prior to it's Capitol Hill passage?

Were the Washington, DC 'Beltway Sniper' shootings also a well timed 'inside job' designed to intimidate potential Washington DC opponents to the White House Iraq war plans during Capitol Hills debate of the matter?

Is it just a coincidence that 2 of the most notorious U.S. domestic terrorists ever, are also Gulf War 1 veterans?http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/060407anthrax.htm



According to StopRosie, in order to be an American, one must support Israeli-inspired invasions of sovereign nations, support and cheerlead the unfathomable destruction of civilian infrastructure, including hospitals, schools, and mosques, the torture and rape of prisoners, including children, and the decimation of the Constitution of the United States.

If this be the case, I am no longer an American. Of course, the exact opposite is the case—the people behind StopRosie are no longer Americans in the traditional sense and are instead a sort of freak hybrid of authoritarian, fascist, and slavish backer of Israel and global neolib bankers wrapped in plastic American flags manufactured by slaves in a sprawling Chinese labor gulag.
...Let’s face it… most Americans, while they may indeed have suspicions about the truth surrounding 9/11, will do little to nothing about it...—because Americans are so easily sidetracked, browbeaten, and intimidated. If said loud and long enough on the corporate media idiot tube, people will begin to believe it, as they believe Saddam and Osama were one, or it was difficult to tell the difference between them.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/070407Haters.htm ^^^


Support Your troops...bring them home!
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 4/8/2007 1:43:47 AM
Republicans these days seem to support their troops the same way the soviets did.

Crap equipment, corrupt government, foreign unwinnable wars. (well they've never had a monopoly on that one).

We're one step away from a commisar and a pistol.
 bob0colo

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Posted: 4/8/2007 4:06:09 AM
The Bush surge
=Support of TROOPS
=Send in the guard.........
Maybe Support while on vacation...... go have Easter with some.........
send some them back before the required down and training time. The Fort Hood folks should enjoy a Photo Op with GWB. So what if your going back to Hell..........

When is the Iraqi army going to suffer the same KIA and Wounded as we are?????????
Sounds a lot like Viet Nam to me.
I talk to TROOPS every day they tell me they would go back before '08..........I hope that is true.
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12,000 more Guard troops may be going to Iraq
Deployment order planned to lessen ‘surge’s’ strain on stretched-thin Army
NBC VIDEO
• Pentagon may call up 12,000 National Guard
April 5: NBC News has learned that Defense Secretary Robert Gates may soon order 12,000 additional National Guard troops called up to help fight the war in Iraq. NBC's Jim Miklaszewski reports from the Pentagon.
Updated: 5:24 p.m. MT April 5, 2007

Jim Miklaszewski
Chief Pentagon correspondent

WASHINGTON - Coming on the heels of a controversial “surge” of 21,000 U.S. troops that has stretched the Army thin, the Defense Department is preparing to send an additional 12,000 National Guard combat forces to Iraq and Afghanistan, defense officials told NBC News on Thursday.

The troops will come from four Guard combat brigades in different states, the officials told NBC News’ chief Pentagon correspondent, Jim Miklaszewski. They said papers ordering the deployment, which would run for one year beginning in early 2008, were awaiting Defense Secretary Robert Gates’ signature.

The deployment is sure to ignite a firestorm on Capitol Hill, where Democrats in Congress are maneuvering to scale back the U.S. commitment in Iraq. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is pushing a proposal to end most spending on the war in 2008, limiting it to targeted operations against al-Qaida, training for Iraqi troops and protection for U.S. forces.
“I think this was all concealed until we got through the election,” said retired Army Gen. Barry McCaffrey, a military analyst for NBC News. “There’s no way to sustain the current rate of deployments without calling up probably nine National Guard brigades in the coming year for involuntary second tours.”

Gates did not mention the Guard deployment in a news conference Thursday at the Pentagon. Earlier this year, he revised Pentagon regulations to authorize more frequent Guard deployments to take some of the burden off the Army.

Surge timetable could be extended
Gates indicated Thursday that defense planners expected the U.S. military commitment to last well beyond the timetable of early next year that was put forth in the Pentagon’s arguments to send more than 20,000 regular Army troops to help quiet sectarian violence. That so-called surge of troops created intense opposition among Democrats and some Republicans in Congress early in the year.

“The truth is, I think people don’t know right now how long this will last,” he said. “The thinking of those involved in the process was that it would be a period of months, not a period of years or a year and a half or something like that."

In a radio interview Wednesday, Gates warned that limiting the administration could lead to “ethnic cleansing.”

“What we do know is if Baghdad is in flames and the whole city is engulfed in violence, the prospects for a political solution are almost non-existent,” he said in an interview with syndicated radio host Laura Ingraham.

Army under heavy pressure
The grinding pace of the war is clearly wearing down the Army.
Three Army combat brigades have just been ordered back into Iraq less than a year after they left, and two brigades that were headed for Iraq were unable to take their customary four weeks of desert training at Fort Irwin, Calif.
Defense officials said the quick turnaround could hurt overall readiness by leaving those troops unprepared for other missions.
“When you only have one year or less between deployments, instead of the two that you would like to have, you then do not train to what we call full spectrum,” said Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
 shieldvulf

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Posted: 4/8/2007 12:57:20 PM
OK, none of these jingoist whipsnakes saw fit to acknowledge their betters the first time I quoted him, so, one more time:

From a real Republican:

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else"

- Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States

and

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

- ibid

It's not complicated. It's no different than when you see a man beating a child. You don't hesitate because he might be the father, because he surrendered any claim on your respect when he raised his hand. You step in and stop him. No matter what excuse he makes for his crime.

Well, don't you?

In precisely the same way, the murderous incompetence of the Cheney administration calls every loyal American to their duty, to bring this terrible, pointless, illegal occupation of Iraq to an end. And never mind the dupes with their heads in the sand and their flag decals on their rumps. We'll explain it to them once war is over.

And the troops? No one insults them but the criminals who sent them over there. The criminals' dupes wave the troops like a plastic flag, their own red herring to distract themselves from the crimes they choose to comply with.

Cheers!

Vulf
 herselftheelf

Joined: 5/22/2006
Msg: 197
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Posted: 4/8/2007 1:27:09 PM
If everyone wouldn't mind- Canada just lost 6 soldiers in Afghanistan- all at once... taking a moment to think about them? It's the biggest loss for our country over there so far... and no names have been released yet.
 sweety_jenn

Joined: 3/24/2007
Msg: 198
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Posted: 4/8/2007 2:57:32 PM
i support our troops no matter where they go or who sends em there
 MsToolTime

Joined: 3/15/2007
Msg: 199
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Posted: 4/8/2007 3:36:04 PM
THANK YOU....Being a MOM...and my son just begining his 4th tour...it means everything not only to our troops, but to ME, as his Mother....I raised a son, I am extremely proud of, and like the other families....WE are lucky to have unselfish children who take an oath to protect YOU, US, and often think they don't do enough for EVERYONE.....Please, take a moment, and think about the Soldiers, AMERICANS who are only doing what THEY believe in.
 fun2ime

Joined: 11/4/2005
Msg: 200
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Posted: 4/8/2007 4:59:50 PM
Happy Easter everyone!!

I am soooo thankful that the majority of posters on here don't like this war.

I can't believe how many people will just blindly follow a obviously insane leader, well actually I can believe it. Has anyone here ever heard of "the Milgram experiment"? very good read here is a link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
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