| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 8:38:57 AM | RRRRIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHHTTTT wanda... AGAIN you claim to win arguments rather than actually make one. You never do anything beyond making accusations. And, sorry, in my book you lost bad last time. Saying you didn't isn't an argument or a proof, it's no more than a he says, she says thing and this time He (Me) says She(You) lost.
So, what's your actual argument on this thread, rather than trying to start a slagging match with me...do you have a point to make? Oh that's right, you haven't made a point about anything...AT ALL
Off to wizard camp kid, you're friends are waiting to play toss the wand with ya...off you go | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 8:41:07 AM | For Steve, I meant to paste this in as well earlier just to explain why I interpreted some of your comments in a context which you insist was not there:
"In short form: it isn't a sports rivalry; it's an excuse." I genuinely think that that is an excessive view, that's just an opinion, not "calling you out" | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 8:44:51 AM | | The answer to your question Mark, very simply, is no! I have satellite...the best we can seem to get is Sky Satellite and there is absolutely no way to watch baseball. They just don't have a channel that covers it. And trying to watch games on the net is a nightmare. Internet is notoriously slow in the rural parts of Ireland... | |
|
| |
| |
| |
| |
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 9:31:14 AM |
AGAIN you claim to win arguments rather than actually make one. You never do anything beyond making accusations. And, sorry, in my book you lost bad last time.
Are you delirious? Do you hallucinate when you type?
Saying you didn't isn't an argument or a proof
I didn't say you "didn't", I said, "You are not". Followed with quoted statements that you made concerning your "loved".
So, what's your actual argument on this thread, rather than trying to start a slagging match with me...do you have a point to make? Oh that's right, you haven't made a point about anything...AT ALL
I did on my first post on this thread, which was quite valid. Your arguments are way off and this time I'm not the one calling you out. Somebody else saw your true colors...
Yellow, red, green, and orange....
Y M C A | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 9:32:46 AM | Couldn't mail you these instructions Kirk...but....
Download 'Sopcast' player...that gives you the streams.
If you already have it & having problems with stream rate...best tip is to use VLC player.
Once you have it installed google search on 'VLC with sopcast' you'll find a webpage with the http feed to stream through VLC. It works fluently even if you are only getting around 30% on the stream rate......and you'll no doubt no where to get the links for the games.
http://www.myp2p.eu/ is a good one as it gives all the times for the games as well.
Incidentally....all the above will allow you to watch all the English Prem games & all European footy as it occurs when the season starts....even on a saturday. | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 9:34:46 AM |
Have any of you tried considering where the rivalry started and why and for how long it has been going.
that might give you an idea as to what one is the biggest. So length of time is to be considered the benchmark for which rivalry is the strongest? Seems like that's what started all this arguing in the first place... | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 9:37:22 AM | Sorry Wanda...I think you'll find that Steve and I have been having a reasonably civilized debate. We agree on some things and disagree on others...nothing wrong with that.
and I "said" you didn't win the argument. You didn't even make an argument...you're still not!
C'mon Wanda...thought you'd be a bit better than that! At least you were good entertainment value last time...make an effort at least
What's the matter this time? didn't manage to beat your way ouf the junior wizard circle jerk of the week wanda? Don't be too down...I'm sure you'll be back tugging wand with your wandster friends in no time | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 9:57:27 AM |
"YNWA"...from a Liverpool fan...does it mean "You never win anything?"...sorry Princess, couldn't resist...
Bite me, we're out of season a temporary truce should be offered! oh and its still 18+5, vs 17+3...... ner ner! lol
So length of time is to be considered the benchmark for which rivalry is the strongest? Seems like that's what started all this arguing in the first place...
i stated, where, why and then when.
I know very little on American sports, can you explain where the rivalry comes from, why and when it started? I am sure as you look back through time you will find more politics and more religious issues ingrained into it then you think.
for example, Mk dons and AFC Wimbledon will eventually have a massive rivalry. however, its a relatively new rivalry. It was caused by club management.
Old Firm, Religious issue.
Everton - Liverpool a religious issue.
Liverpool - Utd. Political initially.
AC and Inter - Political. | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 10:33:36 AM |
I think you'll find that Steve and I have been having a reasonably civilized debate
And he also caught you lying too....The only person I see "civilized" in this debate was Steve. You! On the other hand came up with FALSE "accusations". So please pass the baton to somebody else who can "argue" better than you because you losted this argument with Steve too.
and I "said" you didn't win the argument. You didn't even make an argument...you're still not!
Like the song goes....Dreamer....Nothing, but a dreamer.
C'mon Wanda...thought you'd be a bit better than that! At least you were good entertainment value last time...make an effort at least
Lately I don't need much effort to put you in your place because everybody else has done it for me. | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 10:43:52 AM |
I know very little on American sports, can you explain where the rivalry comes from, why and when it started? I am sure as you look back through time you will find more politics and more religious issues ingrained into it then you think.
You're actually right:
Green Bay Packers vs Chicago Bears: started in 1921; oldest rivalry in the NFL. Other than these being two early "leatherhead" teams that, more often than not, were vying for supremacy in the league's early days, it is also owing to the rivalry between Milwaukee and Chicago; as well as the arrogant assertion by some (I said SOME!) Chicagolanders that Wisconsin exists primarily to provide **them** with a recreation area. I posted more about this earlier in the thread.
Boston red Sox vs New York Yankees: The Red Sox-Yankee rivalry is one of the longest and the most bitter rivalries in professional sports. For over 100 years, baseball's New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox of the American League have been chief rivals, compounded by their geographic proximity.
Since before the start of the American Revolution, Boston and New York have shared an intense rivalry as cities...For more than a century afterwards, Boston was arguably the educational, cultural, artistic, and economic power in the United States.[6] Boston's location as the closest American port to Europe and its concentration of elite schools and manufacturing hubs helped maintain this image for several decades. During this time period, New York was often looked down upon as the upstart, over-populated, dirty cousin to aristocratic and clean Boston...By the start of the 20th century this dynamic had completely shifted...
There is also the case of the Babe Ruth trade from the Sox to the Yankees in 1919...
University of Wisconsin Badgers vs. University of Minnesota Golden Gophers(college football): The most-played rivalry in Division I football continues every fall when Wisconsin and Minnesota meet. The UW-UM series is the nation's oldest and has been played continuously for since 1890 (except for 1906). The game has alternated sites between the university campuses since 1946. Much prestige was always associated with the game, and the significance was emphasized with its place on the schedule. Between 1933 and 1982, the Wisconsin-Minnesota game was always the final regular-season contest for each school.
The series took an added twist in 1948 when more than state bragging rights were on the line. After a 16-0 setback that season, the Wisconsin lettermen's group, the National 'W' Club, presented Minnesota with an axe wielded by Paul Bunyan. He was the mythical giant of Midwestern lumber camps. Each year since, the winner of the annual battle between the Big Ten rivals is presented with the axe, complete with scores inscribed on the handle, for display on its campus.
Mostly, it's a neighboring state rivalry; I honestly think that 'Sotans and 'Sconsinites are benevolently competetive with each other, mostly because they're so much alike!
My point -and I know, if I wore a hat, nobody would notice- is that 1) length of time does not necessarily guarantee that a rivalry is more intense; the Washington Redskins have been playing the nearby Philadelphia Eagles for most of a century-but the 'Skins real hatred is for the Dallas Cowboys, a team that only came into existence in 1960. and 2) the argument -made by a certain European in this thread- that North American Sports rivalries are "a joke" because they aren't necessarily the continuation of some blood feud thats been going on for God knows how long is flawed and prejudicial. North Americans have their own blood feuds w/each other; but we just don't let it spill over as much into our sports; that does NOT make us any less passionate! Just visit Omaha, Nebraska every spring for the College World Series! The whole city of Omaha gets going for this; even though they haven't had a local team involved in it for years...and Super Bowl Sunday is definitely an unofficial American holiday, just as the Grey Cup championship (CFL) is for Canadians.
I guess what I am trying to say, in summation: it seems that some Europeans -and other folks in other parts of the world- may be using sports as a way to continue being apart, North Americans use sports as a way of coming together...at least for a while; when the game is over, the hatreds that may exist for us go back to being more real; during the game, they're passionate-but in a diffeent way.
Crap, I'm rambling...does anybody understand what I'm driving at, or do I need some time in a padded cell? | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 10:44:42 AM | [And he also caught you lying too]
Only person that accuses me of lying is you Wanda...and you can't even back that up!
Furthermore, to disagree with someone is not to falsely accuse. I don't see anyone else here getting offended by anything I've said...
Still not making a point I see...no surprise in that I suppose. | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 10:50:02 AM | | Good last post Steve. However, I really do think you're "analysis" of some of the rivalries between the older European clubs paints with overly broad strokes. We're in agreement that violence, racism etc are never warranted. However, the ancient cultural and political backdrop to some of these rivalries doesn't automtically mean that they are not genuine sporting occasions and real sporting rivalries. The passionate support is not ALWAYS bad... | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 11:03:17 AM |
Good last post Steve. However, I really do think you're "analysis" of some of the rivalries between the older European clubs paints with overly broad strokes. We're in agreement that violence, racism etc are never warranted. However, the ancient cultural and political backdrop to some of these rivalries doesn't automtically mean that they are not genuine sporting occasions and real sporting rivalries. The passionate support is not ALWAYS bad... If it came across that I was over-generalizing, I apologize; what I was attacking was the assertion -by some- that the socio-economic/religious/ethnic undertones that might be present in some European sports are what makes a real rivalry; and that North Americans "just don't get it." Passionate support because one is a fan of team X is actually a good thing; passionate support of team X against team Y because team Y's fans go to a different church and/or speak a different language and you wish they were all dead so they'd go to Hell already -cause that's where they're going anyway- isn't about the game at that point; the game is a surrogate for the so-called fan's hatred...and honestly, I feel that it dishonors the athletes that are out there competing; no matter what sport it is. | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 11:24:44 AM | You're actually right
Im female, i usually am! lol
I guess what I am trying to say, in summation: it seems that some Europeans -and other folks in other parts of the world- may be using sports as a way to continue being apart, North Americans use sports as a way of coming together...at least for a while; when the game is over, the hatreds that may exist for us go back to being more real; during the game, they're passionate-but in a diffeent way.
I think what your saying is the disdain we have for our rivals, holds throughout the year for us, where yours seems to quieten as soon as the seasons over. i am a Liverpool fan, Kirk is a utd fan, for 9 months of the year we would detest each other, the other 3 months, we are civil, at best!  seriously though, the rivalry sticks. We cant seem to shake it off. i am assuming from what you say the atmosphere is a positive one at a game there? i kid you not it is far from positive when you go to a liverpool utd / old firm derby.
I have a picture of myself in 1977, what age was i? about 6 months, what was i wearing? a hand made outfit with the name Kevin Keegan on the chest and the letters LFC on the back. Its a rivalry thats brainwashed from such an early age. I am just as guilty, my kids have replica kits from birth! lol | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 11:25:23 AM | | I agree Steve...like I said in one of the first posts...some of the crap that goes with the old soccer rivalries is tragic. Having said that, the fact that there are ethnic and political divisions involved and the fact that some factions continue to use these events as a platform for messages of hate doesn't detract from the fact that many people respect their diverging cultural traditions and the rivalry, while it goes very deep, has evolved from it's sometimes negative origins to become ,though intense, mostly, highly enjoyable. But as you pointed out above, there are important historical roots to, for example, the Sox-Yankee rivalry as well... | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 12:34:17 PM | calm down please!
first, my comment saying that north american rivalries are a joke if compared to european ones is NOT an insult, nor am i slagging them off. it means that they are just a joke if we think of the passion, hate and love from the supporters in Europe. and South America.
the Sox vs Yankees or Packers vs Bears may be of course great rivalries there in the US, but honestly to compare it to the Old Firm with Rangers vs Celtic, Real Madrid vs Barcelona, Arsenal vs Tottenham or Milan vs Inter, etcccc is ridiculous and does not make any sense at all under my humble opinion.
i have got some questions that need answers: when the Sox visit Yankees stadium (i do not know its name) do Sox supporters have policemen around them to protect them? do Yankess supporters have policemen as well to protect them when visiting the Sox stadium (i do not know its name)? do Bears supporters throw stones (breaking the glasses) to buses full of Packers supporters or even the bus with Packers players? just imagine 500 or 1000 Packers supporters travelling to Chicago without any police around them, they would surely be beaten, insulted , etc
i am not saying that it is great to beat someone, or that it makes a rivalry better (of course to beat someone is not good and has nothing to do with sports) however, i do say that unless you were born and raised in Europe, you can not understand the religious, ethnic or political affairs involved in football.
here in Spain, when Real Madrid play at Camp Nou stadium (Barcelona) the players take a bus after having just arrived at the airport, and when the bus arrives to the stadium is hit with stones by Barca supporters. of course the bus have lots of policemen from the airport to the stadium, but you can not control someone with stones in its hands or pockets.
does it happen in the US as well? do americans suffer this pain in the arse as well?
by the way, just for future replies. i am NOT slagging anyone/any sport off. | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 1:21:17 PM | Pedro, a good example of violence during/after a hockey game can be seen on youtube. In the search type Montreal riot and watch some of those videos. Personally I don't think these idiots rioting in Montreal were real fans of their hockey team, but were just idiots using an excuse to raise hell. Similarly in Europe, many "fans" use their soccer games as an excuse to be violent and are not true fans of the game, but just fans of being idiots. This video does show that there are violent rivalries in North America comparable to Europe and yes there were extra policeman required for the next round of the playoffs.
Mark | |
|
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 2:00:25 PM |
think what your saying is the disdain we have for our rivals, holds throughout the year for us, where yours seems to quieten as soon as the seasons over. i am a Liverpool fan, Kirk is a utd fan, for 9 months of the year we would detest each other, the other 3 months, we are civil, at best! seriously though, the rivalry sticks. We cant seem to shake it off. i am assuming from what you say the atmosphere is a positive one at a game there? i kid you not it is far from positive when you go to a liverpool utd / old firm derby.
I have a picture of myself in 1977, what age was i? about 6 months, what was i wearing? a hand made outfit with the name Kevin Keegan on the chest and the letters LFC on the back. Its a rivalry thats brainwashed from such an early age. I am just as guilty, my kids have replica kits from birth! lol
hey princess fiona have you been on the football rivals site now that is funny the banter on there makes this little spat seem like handbags at dawn
http://liverpool.rivals.net/teams/pgclubhome.aspx?clubid=46 | |
|
| |
| |
| what is the greatest rivary off all sports/ 5 commandments of winners and losers
Posted: 6/10/2008 3:02:23 PM | hey princess fiona have you been on the football rivals site now that is funny the banter on there makes this little spat seem like handbags at dawn
http://liverpool.rivals.net/teams/pgclubhome.aspx?clubid=46
I avoid, i try to stick to my own! lol i have dated utd fans, its bloody hard work, if i was a part timer it wouldn't be so bad. I go to games, i follow the club from boardroom to pitch. I brainwash my children, hardly your average female fan! lol
I did find most of the thread rather tedious. its not about the colours you wear its in the blood.
YNWA...hmmm...could it be "You Never Win Anymore"???? Anyways, sorry, probably miss the regular season slagging...lol
forgot to add to that, we lost fewer games then you did last season matey! | |
|
Home
login 
