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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/8/2009 6:22:10 AM | This is a quote from Terrol Pryor regarding Vick...in case you missed it, he wore eye black with vicks name on it....here you go...
"Not everybody is a perfect person in the world. Everyone kills people, murder people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever."
Wow....Its scary to think this guy is going to get a college education with that thinking. Im scared to think this might be the ones who take care of me when im old and cant take care of myself....
Ohio State should be proud he is going to college there
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/8/2009 6:48:16 AM | Wow....Its scary to think this guy is going to get a college education with that thinking. What?!
Ummmm... As a general rule, education decreases ignorance, although this seems to have been more of a misspoken word then ignorance.
More of the quote includes, ""I know what happened with him and, I mean, I don't want to talk much. I'm just going to be very short and sweet with it," Pryor said, before doing the exact opposite. "But I just feel he made his mistake and I think he just needs more support. Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does -- kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance."
In fact, here's the clip:
http://ballhype.com/video/terrelle-pryor-quote-about-michael-vick/
We all misspeak / mistype sometimes. (And yes, it's T-e-r-r-e-l-l-e. Also, Terrelle is quoted incorrectly in the previous post.) Terrelle said "everyone" when he should have said "people." Give the kid a break. There is nothing wrong with wanting to allow someone to move on after horrible decisions (such as Vick's.) There is maturity in that. It might be best to take his point instead of taking him apart.
On a related note, I find it close to unfathomable that anyone would ever view education as a negative thing.
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/8/2009 7:57:57 AM | Give the kid a break?
He just called me a murderer! | |
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Joined: 8/15/2009
Msg: 854 | |
| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/8/2009 8:28:30 AM | | Where is the element of forgiveness in the midst of all this vitriole???? You people have about as much knowledge of the man as the Star or Inquirer and what makes any of you his judge and jury? I say let the man now get on with his life...he supposedly has partnered with a couple of ventures where he will be doing community service within those urban and rural poor areas where this type of "sport" is considered normal and acceptable, he will now try to educate the people, who like him, were ignorant and brought up to believe this was ok. Hold your judgements to see if he can and does hold up his end of the bargain and work to change attitudes about this very common and rampant sport that can be found all over the south. The man has made a mistake, who of you have not made at least one horrendous mistake in your life you wish you could take back...and if you are such a paragon of virtue, then forgiveness should be part of your portfolio of great traits : faith, hope and yes...charity. Be charitable and give the man a chance to rectify what he did wrong. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/8/2009 9:14:25 AM | Where is the element of forgiveness in the midst of all this vitriole???? You people have about as much knowledge of the man as the Star or Inquirer and what makes any of you his judge and jury?
You look very cool riding in on your high horse like that and putting the rest of us in our place. We now know that there is only one opinion allowed in these open forums
You fail to see the difference between a mistake and premeditated actions (as described by Shabbi earlier.) The only thing this guy is sorry for is that he got caught and lost a bundle of money. That's it. Do you really think he would have seen the error of his ways and stopped killing dogs using heinous measures had he not been caught? He is as vicious as the dogs he was raising. Those dogs became mirror images of himself after he was done raising them. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/8/2009 9:26:33 AM |
What?!
Ummmm... As a general rule, education decreases ignorance, although this seems to have been more of a misspoken word then ignorance.
More of the quote includes, ""I know what happened with him and, I mean, I don't want to talk much I'm just going to be very short and sweet with it," Pryor said, before doing the exact opposite. "But I just feel he made his mistake and I think he just needs more support. Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does -- kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance."
No he didn't want to talk much ,just a hell of a lot more than normal people would....
I think reading the kids statement definetly supports what some here have said about "ROLE MODELS."
Vick left a real Role Model impression upon the kid didn't he? And just imagine the untold thousands of kids Vick has influenced to think and say chit the same as this kid did..
Role Model Vick? Dauym ,Vick should be shamed faced today but I bet he is looking in the mirror admiring himself.
Anybody that thinks everybody is a murderer needs help very soon..... | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/8/2009 4:16:13 PM | It is amazing to hear so many excuses for people that can't live within the laws of society. Is it that difficult not to premeditatively abuse or kill animals, children and people?
He is only working with the Animal Societies because he was forced to, duh!!!
For those of you that keep asking us to be more forgiving, I suggest that you google recidivism statististics. The majority of criminal offenders, offend again. As I said before, do you want him living next door to you and would you let your dog and kids play outside?
For those of you stating that he did his time, most of us don't feel that the time he served wasn't adequate. Jail is not a deterrent and this country has become a violent mess of criminals vs. decent people in fear of criminals.
For those of you that said what do you want him to do? Here's my suggestion: After the violent criminal offenders serve their time they should be sent over to Iraq and Aghanistan to serve as the front line for our military so that they take the first round of bullets. Hey most of them are already skilled at using guns, using violence against the enemy should be no problem and they clearly don't value their life or anyone elses. That's my idea, they should have to go serve our military and earn their final freedom or they can die with honor! Anyone like my idea? | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/8/2009 4:33:51 PM | For those of you that said what do you want him to do? Here's my suggestion: After the violent criminal offenders serve their time they should be sent over to Iraq and Aghanistan to serve as the front line for our military so that they take the first round of bullets. That is certainly an opinion, but it avoids the question, "What do you want him to do?" on several levels.
1) Your suggestion isn't about what Vick should do, it is about what you think should be done to him (i.e. "sent over to Iraq...")
2) The question is not at all about punishment. . . it is about how you (or I) think he should proceed with his life after his release from prison.
Righteous rage only gets us so far. Like it or not, most criminals are not sentenced to life without parole, and they return to society. Harboring hatred and anger towards them (especially ones that aren't even connected to our own lives) affects us, not them. Given the way our society is set up, it doesn't make sense to suggest that a con should not pursue a life after incarceration.
Hate (especially from afar) is like swallowing poison and hoping the person you hate dies. Vick is moving on with his life. So should we. | |
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Joined: 8/11/2009
Msg: 859 | |
| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/8/2009 7:19:34 PM | For those of you that keep asking us to be more forgiving, I suggest that you google recidivism statististics. The majority of criminal offenders, offend again. As I said before, do you want him living next door to you and would you let your dog and kids play outside?
Well here is one study of US recidivism rates for first time offenders.
This report examines recidivism risk for three plausible first offender groupings consistent with historical Commission definitions of possible first offenders. The three first offender groups all come from offenders with zero criminal history points,and are defined as follows: group A contains offenders with no prior arrests; group B containsoffenders with prior arrests, but no prior convictions; and group C contains offenders with only prior convictions that are to never count towards criminal history. Among these groups the lowest recidivism rate is for group A with a rate of 6.8 percent. Group B has a recidivism rate of 17.2percent. Group C has a recidivism rate of 8.8 percent.
Vick had no prior arrests so he falls into Group A and the rate for recidivism is 6.8.
The truth is Vick is a very unlikely to re-offend.
Well I googled and the results are hardly a majority. Quite a strong minority actually.
http://www.ussc.gov/publicat/recidivism_firstoffender.pdf. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/8/2009 9:00:22 PM | Vick's most recent excuse for his crimes he is still putting the blame on others...Very "Typical "of someone that is guilty but has absolutely no remorse....
Vick being the leader financing the crime he just can't come to the point to take full responsibilty...
http://www.fanhouse.com/news/main/michael-vick-talks-to-kids/660582
- Michael Vick, speaking to a group of Philadelphia high school students Tuesday, warned against the dangers of peer pressure and offered himself as a cautionary tale of what can happen when someone is a follower instead of a leader.
"I was influenced by so many people when I should have been a leader, not a follower. | |
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Msg: 861 | |
| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/9/2009 6:52:03 AM | And now the whole story....
The Philadelphia Eagles quarterback, who served prison time for running a dogfighting ring, addressed a rapt audience of 200 freshmen on their first day at Nueva Esperanza Academy, a North Philadelphia charter school. He urged the students to make the right choices and to resist the temptation to follow the crowd.
"I didn't choose to go the right way, which led to 18 months in prison, which was the toughest time of my life," he said. "Being away from my family, being away from my kids who I adore dearly, and being away from the game of football, doing something so foolish, and I wish I could take it all back.
"I was influenced by so many people when I should have been a leader, not a follower."
Speaking without notes, Vick told the hushed assembly during his 10-minute talk that his poor decisions imperiled the goals he had set for himself.
"Growing up, I had dreams and I always wanted to have this great, lavish life and make it to the NFL, go and accomplish great things and leave a great legacy. That was my goal from a young kid," Vick said. "My future was promising ... at some point, I got sidetracked. I started listening to my friends and doing some things that were not ethical and not right."
He said he tried to do the right things at school and at home, "but I had another side to me, and it was a dark side."
http://www.fanhouse.com/news/main/michael-vick-talks-to-kids/660582
Sounds as if he is well on the way to rehabilitation.
What a wonderful guy? | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/9/2009 8:22:34 AM |
"I was influenced by so many people when I should have been a leader, not a follower.
Spy,you're a funny man but you just don't get it do you? Vick was the leader, he is the criminal he's still not what you call a free man as he is still on "PROBATION"! | |
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Msg: 863 | |
| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/10/2009 7:25:38 AM | No I do get it! It's the haters who do not get it.
What more can the man do.
He has apologized. He has eliminated the behavior from his life. He has not re-offended.
He reported early to prison. He served his time. He has not violated probation. He is working with two animal rights groups.(Why is he accepted by them and not some here)
The questions of what can the man do and what should he be allowed in society have not been answered by the haters here.
Is there any penance that would be accepted.
What salary should he be allowed to earn?
They say he should not be allowed to make millions in the NFL.
Could he play for a hundred thousand in the CFL?
Is $20 an hour to much?
Maybe only $10 an hour.
But what about a guy who makes $10 an hour then gets caught in a dog fighting ring.
What would he be allowed to earn if the haters made the rules. $1 / hr? .50cent/hr?
It's a slippery slope once you start to try and control all aspects of human life.
Good luck to the poor guy only allowed $1/hr. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/10/2009 12:37:40 PM | Spy, you apparently don't get the fact Vick still blames others for his crime......
"I was influenced by so many people when I should have been a leader, not a follower. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/10/2009 1:14:34 PM | This is old news already! Blah Blah Blah
He is back in the NFL and he is ready to play.
I hope he does well, and some have get past the last chapter in his life. Its over.
Every one deserves a second chance and he paid for his mistake. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/11/2009 9:08:26 AM | this is why children are growing up evil because society says its okay to callously murder animals and then repay them with millions so crime doesnt pay ....prison only makes people harder this guy should be banned from the NFL for life ...its bad enough for minorities to find a role model and this is another bad example now kids are going to think its okay to kill .
by supoorting the eagles its setting a bad example to kids i think NFL is garbage anyways at the best of times its full of mostly dumb jocks who really never hacked it in the real world ....you only have to look at the mentality of these jocks they can hardly have a convesration unless its about assgrabbing or passing the ball ...most of them do not have intellect ....and its not really football its more like handball the ball hardly gets kicked ....
plan9space oh boy you must be a great dad i would like to see your kids does you wife have all her teeth i guess you like to fight things that do not fight back much like that **** michael vick ...and you are probably one of those hunters who like to kill animals ...yep your kids must be real doozies huh ....well we will find you another beer keg and a lazy boy for you you area poster child for allthingswrong USA ......i bet your wife hasa college degree 
planspace9 i hope for the sake of humanity that you are sterile and do not have kids ...this si why we have to spend lots of money when you have people like you spawning kids ....this is why america is going down the toilet | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/11/2009 9:58:42 AM | This is old news already! Blah Blah Blah
He is back in the NFL and he is ready to play.
I hope he does well, and some have get past the last chapter in his life. Its over.
Every one deserves a second chance and he paid for his mistake.
this is true and its a good point, but let me ask you this, would u hire a former kkk member that was convicted of a hate crime to work for your company? i know people that have been not hired because the have felonys , dont them people deserve a second chance also? iam not saying that he shouldnt be allowed in the nfl, but if people want to protest it, they can, if people want to keep the story alive so people dont forget what a shithead he is, they should. its there rights to do that!!! | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/11/2009 11:33:55 AM |
This is old news already! Blah Blah Blah
"I was influenced by so many people when I should have been a leader, not a follower
No this is not old as it was voiced by Vick very recent when he was engaged speaking to a group of young kids... As long as the azzzz hole blames others for his miserable azzz premeditated crime he will never be chit....Vick should never be permitted back into the NFL as long as he "BLAMES OTHERS'!!!!!!!! | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/12/2009 10:34:27 AM | hiring felons ..no way why would i hire someone thats been in jail how could you trust them unless they were wrongly accused of course ....but felons well how could you do anything they have done wrong there are very few prisoners who really are rehabilitated would not trust them with a breadcrumb i think prisoners are treated way too easy and have a nice life in jail...hey you screw someone over you should be hating every day locked up and made to sit in a cell for 24 hours with whoever and suffer i have not one gram of sympathy for a prisoner ....its the way it is ...... and a KKK member are those people still around i thought they only hung out with banjo players and gay cowboys at camping /hunting/fishing rodeo conventions up north or alaska well i thought they died with the deliverance movie you know the movie about american trailer park faily values .......makes you question the orientation of moonshiners and their friends ...after all if you are stuck in the hills/swamp/forest for years withn flat ears and no teeth i guess an blind racoon would be a good hook up .......if you are dumb enough to go to jail then you are not smart enough to hold down a job we all have to pay for criminal crap so they should be made to pay back society with a crappy job like seperating recyclables at the dump until they paid back their debts ...thats the job they should have  | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/13/2009 9:39:21 AM | | ^^Those are some very ugly, hateful statements. Thankfully you do not seem to be in a postition to impose your ideologies on others. | |
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Joined: 8/11/2009
Msg: 871 | |
| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/14/2009 10:14:44 AM | McNab broke a rib yesterday so it is possible Vick could start in his first game back in week 3. Wouldn't that be wonderful if Vick started and then leads the Eagles to the Superbowl.
What a role model for citizens putting their lives back together after making a horrible mistake. Thank God for second chances.
How encouraging, how inspiring.
Only in America.
Isn't America great! | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/15/2009 7:03:37 AM | | OOSpy, just keep taking your medication, brother! | |
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Joined: 8/11/2009
Msg: 873 | |
| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/15/2009 7:28:23 AM | Thanks dude the meds are working.
There is a great cartoon that came out after the Vick conviction.
It shows Vick in the witness box and the jury box is made up of all the great comic dog characters. The caption is some thing like Michael Vick faces his peers.
Very funny!
You have to see the humour in these things least we all get a little to tight and blow our stacks.
That being said allowing someone to redeem themselves does not diminish the crime. The recidivism rate for Vicks crime and profile is very low so lets just see what he does. So far so good! | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/15/2009 8:47:19 AM |
McNab broke a rib yesterday so it is possible Vick could start in his first game back in week 3. Wouldn't that be wonderful if Vick started and then leads the Eagles to the Superbowl.
What a role model for citizens putting their lives back together after making a horrible mistake. Thank God for second chances.
How encouraging, how inspiring.
Only in America.
Isn't America great!
Talent is not a characteristic of role models, nor is winning games or being a QB.
To characterize Vick as a role model for winning football games is absurd....
A role model is a person who others imitate, emulate, and look to for inspiration and guidance. Good role models inspire people to do great things while bad role models can bring out the worst in others. There are even anti-role models (media "bad boys" and "bad girls") who can serve as good examples of how NOT to act if you want to be respected and successful in life.
Characteristics of a Role Model:
Humility is one of the characteristics you would need to look out for in a role model. Often, pop stars or even movie stars and professional athletes tend to influence the life of youngsters. Well, these are not exactly considered to be ‘role models’ considering their behaviors may not always inspire children to inculcate good habits. Humility in a person is extremely important as it shows the ability to be humble despite great achievements in life. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/15/2009 8:53:58 AM |
A role model is a person who others imitate, emulate, and look to for inspiration and guidance.
That'a a NFL player to me. | |
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