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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/15/2009 9:18:35 AM |
That'a a NFL player to me.
Yes and what you read is only part of what an upstanding person is....
MGMLION, you're right to say what an NFL player could be but not all are upstanding role models.
If you're saying a role model is only a person others imitate,emulate,and look to for inspiration and guidance then yes Vick would be one to follow to get in trouble and become a thug.....A Role Model he is!!!!!!!!! | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/15/2009 9:28:30 AM | There are many types of role models.
People look to others as moral, professional, personal, spiritual, behavioral, and/or physical role models.
It doesn't have to be all or nothing. It feels more comfortable when it is, I guess.
There is something positive in everyone that can be a role model for another. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/16/2009 5:50:31 PM |
Good role models inspire people to do great things while bad role models can bring out the worst in others.
This is why Vick has the chance to be a GREAT role model. Believe it or not, humans make mistakes. Some big, some small but to the people who make the big mistakes there is still hope and Vick can remind them of that. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/16/2009 11:32:55 PM | | Vick is now hanging out with two thirds of the executive members of the T.O. fan club! | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/17/2009 10:49:04 AM | Maybe his role models have changed, now he will start fumbling snaps and blame his miscues on T.O.
We can call both TO and Vick the dropsy boyz!!!!!!! | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/17/2009 5:57:30 PM |
Maybe his role models have changed, now he will start fumbling snaps and blame his miscues on T.O.
We can call both TO and Vick the dropsy boyz!!!!!!!
Heck i blame global warming on TO. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/17/2009 6:05:44 PM | | from all his hot air you might be right | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/28/2009 6:10:37 AM | ...and the world moves on... thankfully...
For all of the wild predictions and assertions, this turned out the way most reasonable people expected, I'd imagine.
"Head coach Andy Reid first called upon Vick on the Eagles' second offensive play, when, as the home fans cheered wildly -- there were no more than a few dozen animal rights protesters outside the stadium, and no sign of them inside --"
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/09/27/vick.debut/index.html
So once again it turns out that PoF is not an accurate representation of society... who knew? | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/28/2009 6:19:54 AM | Yes, and the Eagle fans expect Vick to defecate rainbows and lead them to the Superbowl, and that is not going to happen either! After all, despite his dangerous running and scrambling ability, Vick was only average to below average as a passing QB!
Vick and the Eagles will be lucky to even make the playoffs this year! | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/28/2009 6:23:28 AM | You know, as I was making my previous post I was wondering how long before someone would respond with a comment about his performance.
I guess it's always important to put others down in one way or another. Especially on PoF. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/28/2009 7:01:32 AM | | SaharaM, this is a sports forum, it's all about performance here! You'll find the philosophy forums elsewhere. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/28/2009 7:27:12 AM | The original post for the thread:
A federal grand jury on Tuesday indicted Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick for his alleged role in a well-established dogfighting operation in Virginia where breeders fought pit bulls for purses as high as $26,000 and some losing dogs were electrocuted, drowned, hanged or shot to death.
The National Football League, where Vick is one of the highest-paid players, called the activities alleged in the indictment "cruel, degrading and illegal."
The grand jury charged that the dogs were trained, housed and fought at specifically designed locations on Vick's Surry County property -- five shelters, including a two-story garage sit in a wooded area behind a white brick, two-story estate home.
Will a popular quarterback in the NFL get off or is this the end of Vicks career? | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/28/2009 1:01:36 PM | Sahara, I'm glad that your hero is back on the field. He didn't do jack squat on the field, but at least you got to see your favorite dog killer play in a real game. Your prayers were answered.
I thought this guy would have scored every time he touched the ball given the amount of hype he generates. You would think he was the greatest thing to touch a football with the way the media has followed his return to football. He can't even win a starting job over Kolb. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/28/2009 1:09:46 PM |
Sahara, I'm glad that your hero is back on the field. He didn't do jack squat on the field, but at least you got to see your favorite dog killer play in a real game. Your prayers were answered.
I think you have me confused with someone else. I guess it's easy to do but since everything "said" is posted (and available to reference) it seems kind of odd. I'm sure you don't care for words being put into your mouth, so I have no doubt that you directed this to me in error.
I actually don't remember anyone naming Vick as his/her hero (except for the video of the college player.) I also don't remember anyone proclaiming to have a "favorite dog killer." Then again someone must have said those things because why else would you suggest it?
Hang in there; everyone gets confused once in a while. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/28/2009 1:56:56 PM | | ^^^You're the one who thinks a dog killer would make for a good role model aren't you? | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/28/2009 2:17:50 PM | Skoochie, I LMAO every time I read this thread. Always a thrilling moment never a dull one reading about the misstep,mistake and miscues Mr Vick seems to have attached to his cleats......
Oh,by the way,how did Mr Vick do in his debut as an Eagle Bird and not a Falcon Bird or a Jail Bird? | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/28/2009 3:13:41 PM |
You're the one who thinks a dog killer would make for a good role model aren't you?
Anyone that thinks that any professional athlete should be consider a role model has clearly failed at -
"Who Should be a Role Model 101" | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/28/2009 3:17:52 PM |
You're the one who thinks a dog killer would make for a good role model aren't you? tNo, sweetie. No one suggested that it is appropriate to look up to animal abuse.
By the way, The strawman went home. Why do you insist on pretending he's still around? | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/28/2009 4:51:37 PM |
Anyone that thinks that any professional athlete should be consider a role model has clearly failed at -
"Who Should be a Role Model 101"
James perhaps in a perfect world. As an adult you may clearly see that, hopefully that would be what you teach your children.
However working in the school system I know there are a LOT of children that come from broken homes. Homes in which the parents are NOT teaching their children good character, self esteem and so on. For A LOT of children sports figures are a role model.
I know some people may say, "so what I can't control what goes on in some families". The unfortunate fact is this very attitude is what ALLOWS the cycle to continue...All of these children will grow up to be adults someday. They will be our communities....as Americans we should care about our future....
"I believe the children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside...."
For some children "role models" in the lime light is ALL they have, don't you think we should have some sort of standard that we hold on our role models. I'm not saying they should all be perfect...but they should have "good character". Hmmmm wonder how many ordinary people on the job get "second" chances....not many.
JMO of course. | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/28/2009 9:29:36 PM |
but they should have "good character".
this is all opinion. Some people consider "good character" is a person that doesnt drink or smoke.
so if a kid has a drinking problem should we blame every athlete that has ever had a beer in there hand?
so if a kid wants to gamble on sports should we blame Michael Jordan for gambling money like its going out of style?
I say that any teenager that has ever smoked pot we should blame Phelps...what a horrible role model he is huh? | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/29/2009 1:07:39 AM | | A really sad fact of our society in these days and times, is that many, if not most, of the children growing up in urban areas of our country consider those that have been incarcerated are to be considered as heroes and/or role models. In other words, you get big props in the 'hood, if you been down by law. Dig it? | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/29/2009 6:11:30 AM | A bigger problem is people who look to athletes and entertainers as role models.
What is lacking in your life that you look to them.
You want a role model for your kids ...then stand up yourself.
The best thing you can teach your kids is that the athletes and celebrities are simply human who entertain us but thats all! | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/29/2009 1:32:28 PM |
this is all opinion. Some people consider "good character" is a person that doesnt drink or smoke.
I don't consider drinking or smoking to be of someone's "Character" they are habbits. I smoke and drink, however I still have good characters. In the professional world character is described as and considered things like:
Trustworthiness
Be honest. Don’t deceive, cheat or steal. Be reliable, do what you say you’ll do. Have the courage to do the right thing.
Respect
Treat others with respect. Use good manners. Be considerate of the feelings of others. Don’t threaten, hit or hurt anyone. Deal peacefully with anger, insults and disagreements
Responsibility
Do what you are supposed to do. Persevere: keep on trying! Always do your best. Use self-control. Think before you act — consider the consequences • Be accountable for your choices
Fairness
Play by the rules. Be open-minded; listen to others. Don’t take advantage of others. Don’t blame others carelessly
Caring
Be kind. Be compassionate and show you care. Express gratitude. Forgive others. Help people in need
Citizenship
Do your share to make your school and community better. Be a good neighbor. Obey laws and rules. Respect authority.
That's what I meant by "good character"
so if a kid has a drinking problem should we blame every athlete that has ever had a beer in there hand?
That is not what I am saying at all. The above statement and other like it sounds like more like excuse's to me. Because a person has beer doesn't make them of "bad character" by default. How you drink (i.e. amount/where)and your character while you drink.
A really sad fact of our society in these days and times, is that many, if not most, of the children growing up in urban areas of our country consider those that have been incarcerated are to be considered as heroes and/or role models. In other words, you get big props in the 'hood, if you been down by law. Dig it?
I totally agree with that Pete. Unfortunately not only does that lead to more crime, but also an attitude of what the world owes me. A "I'll just TAKE what I want attitude." with no regard of others lives. Hmmm..... wonder how that will affect the future of America?
Who will be our future company owners, creative inventors, Police officers, Firemen, Teachers, Doctors, Mail person, Chefs....
Oh I know, perhaps we can we hire them from outside our country....then they can fix US.  (just some fuel for thought)
A bigger problem is people who look to athletes and entertainers as role models.
What is lacking in your life that you look to them.
You want a role model for your kids ...then stand up yourself.
Agreed, however what is lacking in a lot of childrens lives, they don't control. They can not control poor parenting, poor economics, poor support/interest in education,inspiration of adults....rather they learn to deal with it and often become the same, thus the "cycle" effect. Remember for each child living in these conditions, they each will in turn have multiple children of their own, and passing on the same belief system, to a larger group of young Americans.
Unfortunately many celebrities ARE a role model for " our" children (aka America's children). I think if you are such a person you should contribute to the communities (good citizen) by not only showing character traits of being Trustworthy, respectful....but also responsibility.
It doesn't mean celebrities must be perfect, or have no habits, rather to inspire children to be all they can be, and to it with HONOR
and Good character, because the eyes of a lot of our children are watching and looking up to them | |
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/29/2009 2:20:13 PM |
The grand jury charged that the dogs were trained, housed and fought at specifically designed locations on Vick's Surry County property -- five shelters, including a two-story garage sit in a wooded area behind a white brick, two-story estate home.
I suppose since they housedthe dogs and fought at a specifically designed location like a 2 story white brick estate home with a two story garage sitting in a wooded area.....it should be O.k.
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| Michael Vick
Posted: 9/29/2009 2:51:55 PM |
I suppose since they housedthe dogs and fought at a specifically designed location like a 2 story white brick estate home with a two story garage sitting in a wooded area.....it should be O.k.
Yep it should be.
But not because of the location.
Because the act of breeding animals for any purpose should be the right of the individual provided they do not infringe on the rights of others.
Big whoop if someone wants to fight a dog against another dog it has no affect on others and thus should not matter.
Dogs are man made, we created them and have selectively bread them for many purposes and one of those is dog fighting and the breed is recognized by the AKC.
AKC MEET THE BREEDS®: Boston Terrier
Following the Civil War, the Boston Terrier breed was developed in the stables of Boston, Massachusetts, as a fighting dog. An imported dog known as "Hooper's Judge" (sold to a Boston man in 1870) became the ancestor of almost all true modern Boston Terriers.
http://www.akc.org/breeds/boston_terrier/index.cfm
So please stop caring about the furry creatures of the world and start caring about the ones that matter to your survival.
Focus your efforts on the slaughter of all the worlds sharks, because that is affecting the world / climate you live in.
Someone fighting dogs is not affecting your world. | |
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