| | Mexicans are a cross between Spaniards and Incas, neither of which have any ansestral Claim here...Page 6 of 9 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) | i'm glad to hear that germany is doing their part to pay for the damage they caused...
i don't feel singled out & i defnitely don't "begrudge it", i responded to what you had originally said... i'm sick of hearin' people whine about this crap.
i'm one of those people that is sick and tired of every other race blaming everything on whites. i'm also sick of people taking advantage of our system by collecting money for things that happend in the past that NONE of us had any control over... THAT'S LIFE! GET OVER IT ALREADY!
if you're angry because you weren't born "white" then i'm sorry you feel that way... but i'll tell you... the grass is not greener on the other side. people should be proud of their culture and who they are and quit freakin' living in the past!!! how far back should we go to make amends to all those in the world that feel they suffered at our "white" hand? when does it stop? where do you draw the line? i think i'll just kick back and wait for my turn to become a true minority and then go collect all the freakin' benefits i can for being one! at the rate mexicans and asians are having kids... it shouldn't be long. and if you think that's a racist statement... check yourself... go to the us census web site and see the statistics for yourself.
i personally don't & will not ever refer to myself as an immigrant because I WAS BORN IN CALIFORNIA! so was my mother, so were my grandparents on my mother's side, so was my father... come freakin' on man... how many generations do i have to go back in order to earn the title of american?
my grandparents on my father's side emmigrated here from italy but from the records i've found... THEY DID IT LEGALLY! they may have been of italian descent but they soon became US Citizens. at what point do they get to shed the immigrant title? they don't refer to themselves as immigrants either... never have. | |
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| Mexicans are good people.
Posted: 5/21/2005 6:54:24 AM |
My friends and I like Indian. As do alot fo the population. Native American is something made up by you shiny happy people who think everything needs to be said politcally correct. It's a store bought word. It's a Blue Light special at Kmart. It's "undocumented Aliens" vs illegal immigrants. Even though they ARE illegal, and they ARE immigrating. And like I said, wouldn't anyone born in America be native to America? Kinda like Chinese. If it makes you sleep better at night calling us Native Americans then well, good. But my family and friends prefer Indian. And I don't care what revised dictionary you found the definition in. Look up the Def. in a dictionary 10 years ago, when we weren't so worried about political correctness. Every heard of Cowboys and Indians, the game you play as a kid?
What amazed me indica is that you claim to be "Indian", yet you defend the right wing nationalist xenophobia that actually is responsible for a holocaust against your ancestors...
is this a case like the "good jews" in the concentration camps who herded their own into the ovens?
You don't seem to understand the plight of minority people at all. | |
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| Are Mexicans really going to take over California?
Posted: 5/21/2005 7:35:27 AM |
Here is another Billboard that is in Los Angeles
Http : // worldnetdaily . com/news/article . asp ? ARTICLE_ID=44035
POF's stupid server will not let me post the article. So read it yourself.
Go Figure. Bad Programming.
Amazing. People put up with all kinds of crap advertising that insults all kinds of things, and THIS they get upset about? Don't people have anything better to do? Like work and put food on the table? Or go get a second job to pay for health insurance? Looks like there are an awful lot of people leading an idle life, that they're getting upset over the poetic license and creativity of this advertisement. Get a job! I promise you'll feel better because you won't have time to be paying attention to things like these.
As for Arnold, he has no real job. He has ample time to pay attention to advertisements since he lives off the tax dollars of Californians. Thank God not a penny of mine is going into that whacko's pockets. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2005 7:43:06 AM | badkitty: as a middle aged woman who has tattoos all over her and admittedly farts alot... YOU should understand this...but I'll give you a clue: they've been lynched, made slaves and forced to live segregated and live in poverty.
Does that help? | |
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Posted: 5/21/2005 7:45:38 AM |
What amazed me indica is that you claim to be "Indian", yet you defend the right wing nationalist xenophobia that actually is responsible for a holocaust against your ancestors...
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I think that must've been some anglo-saxon protestant bored on a weekday nite, evidently not working, but instead deciding to create a screen name for the sole purpose of pretending to be a member of the First Nations. I never heard a member of the First Nations call himself, "indian", particularly since "Indians" are peoples who reside in and/or are indigenous to a sub-continent called India, which is part of Asia and juts out into the Indian Ocean. | |
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| Are Mexicans really going to take over California?
Posted: 5/21/2005 7:47:51 AM | actually sari... i was amazed at how upset i was when i heard about the billboard. in all honesty... it was upsetting because of the timing. now you know i have better things to do than get upset about a stupid billboard but i did in this case because it was like a slap in the face of all of us who wish people would come here legally and stop flooding our neighborhoods, schools, hospitals, and job markets with people who don't have enough respect for this country to come here legally, learn our language, and pay their fair share. fact is... THEY DON'T. ;)
i may not like arnold much but at least he's in a position to slap down initiatives that enable illegals to remain here comfortably... i.e. driver's licenses, he's against allowing them to obtain a license. he's also in favor of the minute men project, which really pleases me considering our new mayor immediately stepped up and denounced the minute men and is pushing for illegals to have the right to obtain a driver's license. | |
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| Are Mexicans really going to take over California?
Posted: 5/21/2005 8:33:04 AM | actually sari... i was amazed at how upset i was when i heard about the billboard. in all honesty... it was upsetting because of the timing. now you know i have better things to do than get upset about a stupid billboard but i did in this case because it was like a slap in the face of all of us who wish people would come here legally and stop flooding our neighborhoods, schools, hospitals, and job markets with people who don't have enough respect for this country to come here legally, learn our language, and pay their fair share. fact is... THEY DON'T. ;)
i may not like arnold much but at least he's in a position to slap down initiatives that enable illegals to remain here comfortably... i.e. driver's licenses, he's against allowing them to obtain a license. he's also in favor of the minute men project, which really pleases me considering our new mayor immediately stepped up and denounced the minute men and is pushing for illegals to have the right to obtain a driver's license.
Actually, when I lived in California (which I love), I recall very distinctly that agribusiness there (which is a huge mainstay of the State even today), hired illegal migrants to work on their land by the hundreds of thousands, and depended upon illegally-low wages to keep their product price low, and their own personal profits huge. This was years ago. It was about.. hmm... 28 years ago, in fact! (Damn I feel old!)
In any case, 28 years ago, agribusiness was hiring and arranging for illegal immigrants to cross the border by the acre-load. In fact, they'd been doing this long before. The govt of California was doing nothing about it for very good reasons: 1) agribusiness brought mucho bucks into California and 2) the rich that owns agribusiness didn't want to forego their huge profits. The govt of the U.S. also turned a blind eye to it.
At that time, there were people BEGGING, BEGGING the U.S. govt to slap these companies with fines that would make their companies come to a halt. Did they? Oh yeah. $500 here...... $1,000 there... no big deal. An amount they would use to light their cigars.
What happened every time the "season" was over? I'll tell you what happened.. what happened was that these people hung out there. Who the hell has the money to go back to Mexico when they are being paid $1/day or thereabouts.
When I was in California, I also remember visiting a few very very wealthy people (in Bel Air, in the Valley, etc.) These people had servants. (I'm not even going to dignify it by calling them maids). They were ALL illegals. They were paid far less than a legal worker would have been. Why were very wealthy people hiring illegals at a very low wage, if they were wealthy? It's funny, but wealthy people are cheap as hell. I could start naming names of people that had AND HAVE illegal house workers (gardeners, butlers, maids, etc.), all without papers, all being paid a pittance.
I'm sure the same thing is happening in all States across the border from Mexico. Mexican migrants are an endless source of cheap or almost-free labor. IF there were no jobs for illegal immigrants in California, believe me, illegal immigrants would not cross the border. Unfortunately, people here love it. They get a hard worker for almost no money.
I guarantee you here and now that if they started hitting companies and individuals with fines of millions of dollars, for hiring illegals, this would come to a stop (plus California would have a nice source of govt money with which to improve roads, etc.) But you know what? That's not going to happen. The rich is never going to get hit with fines of that nature. So expect illegal immigrants to always have a work source in California and all states across the border of Mexico.
Meanwhile, Arnold and all politicians will continue to run off at the mouth with bullshit, pretending that they are doing something about it, when they're not doing what needs to be done. And I'll BET even Arnold has illegals in his employ. Just a guess, but probably a good one. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2005 11:12:52 AM |
i personally don't & will not ever refer to myself as an immigrant because I WAS BORN IN CALIFORNIA! so was my mother, so were my grandparents on my mother's side, so was my father... come freakin' on man... how many generations do i have to go back in order to earn the title of american?
Kitty,
I thought I was the only living person in the whole United States that felt this way. I am so glad I am not alone.
I'm Polish, Irish and American Indian. That is the blood that runs thru my veins. But above all that I am an American born person.
What's up with this new generation thing having to have your ancestory preceding American? Africian-American, Arab-American, etc. What kind of American does that make me then?
Who owns the world anyway?
We're all humans. Has the US been here forever?
What right do we have to say another human can't walk on the piece of earth we live on?
Wasn't California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Texas at one time part of the spanish empire?
I'd say that justifies their being here as much as anyone else.
Jeez.... it's not like any of us are Columbus or George Washington or anything....
Isn't it kind of like our parents migrated here in hopes to serve some RICH person or something?
Who do we think we are to look down our noses at people from other cultures and nations and say they can't come here when they're as desperate as they are?
How much ethical weight does "ownership" have, anyway?
What would God tell us we have a right to "own"?
There are so many people in the world starving and going without and suffering now because someone else "owns" something and tells them they can't have it.
If you really want to understand what we've become, suss this out. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2005 11:33:28 AM | What's up with this new generation thing having to have your ancestory preceding American? Africian-American, Arab-American, etc. What kind of American does that make me then?"
FYI----the hyphonated American is NOT a "new generation thing" there have been Itallian-American,Irish-Ameircan,Native-American,Greek-American groups,org.s nieghborhoods ect. since the 1800's.Hyphonated is just another label and labels have been used since the constitution and before.Best way to protest labels if you don't like them is to change your drivers license and ALL ID that list ANY labels including race to OTHER and do so for ALL paperowrk that ask for a label in the future as well as for any kids if you have them.
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| Mexicans are a cross between Spaniards and Incas, neither of which have any ansestral Claim here...
Posted: 5/21/2005 1:38:01 PM | ^^^^^^ The excess of emoticons has made me dizzy. I think I need some ginger tea.
In any case, what's true is this: American Whites squatted in what is now known as Texas (which was Mexico), they also squatted in what is now known as New Mexico, Arizona and California (all of them also property of Mexico). The squatting became popular, and pretty soon they wanted to steal the land away from Mexico. The war that ensued began in 1836 with the theft of Texas from Mexico, and continued on to 1847, during which the theft of the other 3 states took place. It wasn't just the White squatters fighting. It was the U.S. govt. taking the opportunity of the squatting, to steal Mexican land. This is the reason everything in those four states have either indigenous or Spanish names. In California, for example, you'd be hard pressed to find anything that has a name in English.
This is not something I made up because I was frikkin' bored out of my mind. This is history. I remember once telling a junior in high school (when I was still teaching), that Texas had once been part of Mexico, and he replied, "Oh you're just kidding with me." When he saw I wasn't, his mouth gaped open in shock as if he'd just seen a horrific chase on the 6:00 o'clock news. There's too much that doesn't get taught in school, or gets skimmed over quickly so as to attract no attention from the kids. | |
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| Are Mexicans really going to take over California?
Posted: 5/21/2005 1:48:02 PM | The latest data released estimates that there are 11 million+ illegals living in the US,the majority of them are from Mexico.The benefits vs. costs are hard to calculate but it's known that they benefit more than they contribute to the US.I for one would like our borders secure and to deport all of them but I know that's not going to happen.Don't get me wrong I'm not a racist,I would say the same thing if 11 million Canadians,etc were here illegally.I also think it was wrong to include Mexico in NAFTA because of their wages and standard of living,Ross Perot and others were right about many manufacting jobs lost.
I care about raising the standard of living of all people but not at the expense of mine.The Mexican government is so corrupt that they don't even care about their poor is sad,their government owes millions of Pesos to migrant guest workers but they told them "sorry we don't have it".To Mexicans I say this:If you want a better life demand it from your government or force them to. | |
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| Are Mexicans really going to take over California?
Posted: 5/21/2005 2:05:43 PM | ^They are also taking what were "good jobs" such as construction.
Look if I move to another country I would have to (A)get a work permit(B)pay taxes(C)learn the language.
I don't mind immigrants if they are here LEGALLY. | |
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| Mexicans are a cross between Spaniards and Incas, neither of which have any ansestral Claim here...
Posted: 5/21/2005 4:57:15 PM | The war that ensued began in 1836 with the theft of Texas from Mexico, and continued on to 1847, during which the theft of the other 3 states took place."
Slight correction of technicality;the squaters war actually started in 1832 when Austin was caught by the Mexican garrison smuggling cannons and wepons supplied to him by the U.S. into the Texas part of Mexico. This fact is overlooked due to historical revision. | |
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| Are Mexicans really going to take over California?
Posted: 5/21/2005 5:10:11 PM |
^They are also taking what were "good jobs" such as construction.
Look if I move to another country I would have to (A)get a work permit(B)pay taxes(C)learn the language.
I don't mind immigrants if they are here LEGALLY.
As I said in a previous post... if corporations were not engaging in crime by hiring illegals, there would be no illegals here. Fine corporations millions for every illegal alien they find working for them, and your immigrant problem will be solved. Who is hiring for construction? Corporations. Who is hiring for agribusiness? Corporations. Who is hiring? Corporations.
Second, to come into this country legally costs more money than you and I could come up with. How someone who is starving and willing to work for Del Monte's $1.50/hour, is going to pay thousands of dollars to come over legally, you tell me.
Again, fine the corporations thru the wazoo for every illegal alien they get caught using and you'll see how quickly they'll have ads in all the papers seeking sharecroppers.
By the way, Wal-mart got caught hiring illegal aliens even here in Florida. I think they just got their hand lightly slapped. Corporations are hiring illegal aliens everywhere. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2005 11:51:41 PM | genjack... i'd keep your day job ;)
"badkitty: as a middle aged woman who has tattoos all over her and admittedly farts alot... YOU should understand this...but I'll give you a clue: they've been lynched, made slaves and forced to live segregated and live in poverty."
oh if that isn't the funniest thing i've ever heard from a man almost ten years older than me who obviously has seperation anxiety from the loss of his hair and more than likely has penis envy issues stemming from having been stuck with a penis below the national average of 6 inches.
i would strongly recommend you try farting more often... i guarantee you you'd free your brain up for intelligent conversations outside of your flatulance fetish if you freed all that hot air.
and no... you've yet to enlighten me. try again... oh, i know, let's start with what was done to over 6 million jews during hitler's rein. | |
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| Mexicans are a cross between Spaniards and Incas, neither of which have any ansestral Claim here...
Posted: 5/22/2005 12:05:35 AM | Did someone actually say that Spain sold Texas? I really don't think so...
Although..little known fact, that Louisiana was only in Frances possesion for a VERY (few months) short time before TJ bought it. (Best 16 million EVER spent)
They got it from Spain only recently in 1803, and due to a slave rebellion in Haiti, Napoleon needed his troops there, (Haiti) and decided to sell it (Louisiana). This doubled the size of the US overnight...entire midwest to the rockies. After the Lewis & Clark expedition, the US then claimed the upper rockies all the way to Oregon & the Pacific coast. | |
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