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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/28/2008 4:15:26 PM | To bad Kynes, you are in one, and I have seen all the evidence speaking against it. The problem here is the burden of proof is on you. So with your degree I am sure that won't be a problem for you to prove to all of us it didn't happen. Everything you have ever wanted to know about the Apollo missions is anywhere you want to find it. There is way to much detail on the missions for anyone to say it didn't happen.
Still waiting....
More over, I won't buy into it until it makes the evening news, along with the other lies your perpetuating such as 9/11 conspiracy you mentioned. Pile it right in with there was no holocaust, the Loch Ness monster, Ghosts and flying saucers, all of which I am sure you have an extensive library on.
Its people like you that spit on the graves of those that gave there life for this country that just make me sick.
So go ahead and show us that Newtonian math that says we can't make it 500 miles out. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/28/2008 4:43:52 PM |
Rockets only use fuel to escape the atmosphere of earth. Momentum in space is achieved by orbiting the planet being exited and building momentum from the gravitational pull of that planet, and then taking a trajectory towards the moon. The space shuttle orbits the earth at about 18,000 MPH. As stated before, momentum is endless in space unless you run into something.
Umm... no. Try to stick to offering opinions on topics you actually understand. You've confused gravitational slingshot with escape velocity, transfer velocity, and simple friction (which is NON-ZERO even in deep space).
"Rockets" use fuel for almost everything. Attitude adjustment. Orbital transfer (going higher or lower, or changing the vector in the same basic orbit). Overcoming the eventual effects of friction. Really, it is EVERYthing. You even have to use fuel to drop out of your current orbit to return to the Earth.
Gravitational slingshot... well, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist For a Wiki, it's pretty good, and still readable by an educated lay person.
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Posted: 6/28/2008 4:57:46 PM | Kynes, do you seriously think you're the only one who understands the math required for 2- or 3-body orbital dynamics?
Trot 'em out, friend... I'd love to see where you think it's all mathematically impossible. 
Again, Wiki comes through with something relatively accessible to the mathematically-inclined lay person... surely a physics degree holder such as yourself (Especially with a MATHEMATICS (<--note spelling) minor) should be able to follow it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hohmann_transfer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_spacecraft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity <==a little deeper in the math, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-v_budget <==the final bit
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess maybe your separation from NASA was not.... "voluntary," shall we say? | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/28/2008 5:10:46 PM | I can't believe there is 12 pages of this. At the 6th page I thought to myself I don't even want to give this thread any credibility by posting it, but to see it make 12 pages! Come on people, can't you just take things in the REAL WORLD for what they are?
NASA landed men on the moon end of story. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/28/2008 10:22:40 PM |
And I worked at NASA for 11 years and I do have a bachelors degree in Physics from Old Dominion University in Virginia (USA not Mexico ). My GPA was 3.6 and I also got a minor in MathMatics.
A bachelor's degree would be in science, as in BSc. You'd have to have a doctorate to have Physics attached to the degree. Also, any mathematician would know it's 'mathematics' not 'MathMatics'. But being Dr. Kynes, you knew that.
But that aside. . . .I truly believe everything else you've said.
I have a question perhaps you could answer for me. If I make my own tinfoil hat, will it work if I don't actually ground the hat to earth? Or can it work just as a "floating' absorber of government mindcontrol radiation? I wanna know because I think I would look pretty stupid walking around with a long wire hanging off of my tinfoil hat and it ends up it isn't necessary.
Last thing. How's the whether up your way? | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/28/2008 10:35:24 PM |
A bachelor's degree would be in science, as in BSc. You'd have to have a doctorate to have Physics attached to the degree. Also, any mathematician would know it's 'mathematics' not 'MathMatics'. But being Dr. Kynes, you knew that.
Just in the interest of precision (and being a little picky), a whole sh!t-ton of universities offer a Bachelor of Arts in Physics (a B.A.). Yeah, a bunch also offer a Bachelor of Science, or B.S. I'm not sure exactly where you get the idea that you can't have a degree in Physics unless you've received your doctorate, except perhaps that PhD (Philosophiæ Doctor) and Physics both start with Ph.
That said, obviously our friend "Dr Kynes" (likely taken from the Dune character) is either completely nuts (in the clinical sense) or a lying sack of dog-turds. Note these are not mutually exclusive diagnoses. :)
(oh, and you do need that wire, and "weather" is the thing where you look out the window, "whether" is when you decide whether to look out to check the weather or not.  ) | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 11:53:26 PM | It amazes me that some people can get so upset at an OPINION that
"destroys" their worldview. All I have to do is voice an opinion about Apollo programs or 9-11 and they are ready to resort to namecalling. How mature ?! (not )
People like this resort to name calling, character assassination and claims of pyschological problems. (only one need to look at last couple of posts to see who is promulgating these character assassination attempts).
I find that people like this never see what "was" and "is" coming down the pike.
They often get blindsided by calamity because their pride and confidence relies in systems of government and job position which rewards people who make lies their hope and their refuge.
Why is this important wether or not we went to the moon ? Well if they would lie about this to delude americans about the vietnam war or the cold war........and they would lie about 9-11.........WHAT are their intentions in the next coming months about Iran ?
It doesn't take a genious now (although maybe back in 1999-2000) you would be hard pressed to invision what is coming.
These lying government "warpigs" and I call them this because that is how they behave ......they want and will get their WWIII (probably starting with a false flag to blame Iran). You will see the economy of america going down the tubes with gas prices going over 5$ a gallon in the near future. Of course just as with 9-11......there will be a manufactured attack on america.....and the majority of sheepish americans will again wave the american flag and march off again to a bigger wider war.
So yes.......if they lied about going to the moon and about 9-11........it does mean that we are in a world of hurt in the coming months. And I don't think we will have to wait till the "next" president is sworn in. So flame on if you must. Character assassination is not a mature way of commentary.
And no.....I'm not going into trying to present physics calculations on this site. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 12:57:58 AM | I'm sure paranoia feels normal from the inside, but your opinion on the Apollo program and 9/11 at the very least are horribly at odds with reality. It doesn't destroy my world-view at all to read such things. *shrug* I just hate to see horse-hockey presented as truth go unchallenged. I'm sure it's a character flaw of some sort.
How's Arrakis this time of year, Doc?  | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/29/2008 6:54:08 AM | Probably paranoid tendencies caused by bipolar disorder.
So Kynes, I have a choice, your pack of lies or my governments pack of lies.
My son, who was in high school at the time, sat down with me and watched the history channel special on the 9/11 conspiracy theory. The part came up where it was explained that the towers came down because of explosives planted in the building and showed the windows blowing out ahead of the floors above it falling down. My son turned to me of his own accord and said, “Dad, don’t they know it was the pressure of the floors above it that blew out the windows?”
I of course had to explain to him something in the order of what you are saying Mr. Kynes. It is difficult for some people to accept the truth, and to try and change their minds destroys their view of how they see the world. We see in your writings how you view the world Mr. Kynes and it is indeed disturbing. It smells of mental instability when you can take the facts and twist them into some nonsensical B.S. that has no point in reality.
The only thing you are doing here Mr. Kynes is presenting opinion, not facts and it is up to us that know better to point that out.
Your lies or my governments? I choose the facts and the truth... | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/29/2008 7:32:46 AM | Remember, many are just blanks within the game, all they can do is babble, they need to protect their crumbling towers of lies. RealEYE, Life is a lie with an F in it.
It is a game, it can be beaten by simply having one truth that is undeniable, let it grow roots within your minds garden, more will come to you and you will see.
Soon a major and glorious event horizon will be upon us, all will experience it and it will be in a manner and a matter that will shed true light upon the earth and within mankind.
Many are trapped within illusions, dreams of grandeur, they have shown to all minds that they have not the ability to share fairly, they are not of spirit but of material and they will be refined and made a new and given another chance to see truth and stop guarding and peddling lies.
Do not let those who have no frequency, no spirit, other then the rhetoric and hate genes which are their life force get to you, they are lies. When they attack and you ignore, they are not alive, they have relationships with egos and believe they are from ape, most part. My ancestors went to the tree for fruit not mates.
The news has nothing but assumption and opinion, food for thought for those who are of little or no spirit.
So many have been driven to find truth in movies, cartoons, which is surely better then allowing your mind to be molded by those who own all the lies within the game, the awaken dream.
Here is a truth, What came first, the chicken or the egg? The truth is THE, THE came before chicken and egg.
Stop arguing with those who live for and in debate. they wish to tickle and tease your lie, your ego, they need egos to be weak and willing to fall for the trap that is their life blood.
They avoid spirit/truth or attack it and try to go through ego so do not allow those with no spirit to get under your skin, they are tics and when discussing the moon, they are lunar-tics. Let them believe lies, one need only look where else they sacrifice time to guard lies and ruin Eden, they are more machine then human as their heart and spirit (which is little if anything) is directed to harm earth, man and aid machines, they worship rockets and bombs, they are fools one and all.
They are those who wish the fields to feed machines, just review their posting history, you see they are pro-machine or anti-people, they are the illusion or they have bought into it for false gain at the loss of others, this is a trap for them.
They get trapped because they have more selfish then self-less and others who could see all truth are trapped into the debate game that the liars and cheats need to be alive.
All they do is echo post one another with lies and congratulations and try and lure egos to them which they feed on by growing them up and tearing them down.
Feed them no more, let them fade into nothing, they are either lies in flesh or corrupted or corruptible spirits that are soon no more. Many are being trained to be spiritless while others are learning to be of more spirit then lies.
Truth is free, lies cost lies (money), those who are more material then spirit want stuff and want others to be in pain and suffering to live. Little do the peons and materialists know that Dec 23 2012 is a production that comes courtesy of lies, deceit, materialism and more of that which drives good to be bad.
Get back to truth, get back to the land, avoid those who are dead, the dead insult the living, that is their calling card. be alive, don;t waste life and time in debate, the debaters need debate as all they are is assumption and opinion and in truth, anything that comes from the mind or mouth of one who is more material then spirit is a lie.
Life lived in debate over assumptions and opinions is a lie with an F in it. In other words, debating guarantees a grade of F for those who fail at living but succeed at death.
If the materialists want to believe the egos went to moon and walked around and got some souveniers, thats fine, just leave them with their fantasies and lies, they are in the trap, it is quicksand and they need to grab onto others as when the lies are known, they are nil but a shell meant to serve machine not man nor spirit, know them by their work not words, words are an illusion and most use them completely wrong.
The hints and the clues could not be much more evident that we will have an absolute truth again very soon which those who need lies and debate will not be able to handle, it will take them to where they should be right now but they still have a chance but choose to hold onto the banana in the bottle. and hope that man does not wake in both states and put 1 + 1 together and see the world for what lies have made it.
They are doomed, they know it, they can not stop that which will come and when it does, it will find them, aliases and other deceptive measures such as corps(e) or holding companies are lies as well, the sliver of spirit they have is tracked through all time, Karma, not My Mother the Car (hint) with run them down.
Get good with THE, be of service to that which is real, the land, nature, friends and family. All the noise the fools make who need and worship shiny crap is waking more then just the life on this planet.
So many useless peons and puppets who demand or buy others to for them fetch food and invent stuff for them to name and own and peddle to the ignorant they create, are soon no more. They will create no more as one by one, the spirits awaken and the seed of truth they hold, brings knowledge of no-ledge and eternity.
Those who attack my words, my letters, my thoughts are dead and not alive as, all that I attack within this message is those who have no spirit nor truth within them, if that is you, draw your sword, I have no fear of idiots with keyboards, egos gone wild. Show that you are lacking spirit and truth, let yourself be known for that which is within you, call me names and call others names and pretend, your time is almost up and the side you choose is to be with lies. Guard Eden or Guard Lies, duality, this is Life vs Lies.
Hopefully the next run of movies and cartoons will wake more up and you will see that many spiritless people are used to fill shells that are owned by those who are not welcome in the garden, they would feed machine before man or any life within nature.
Pick a side, hold a truth and hold on, a ride is coming like you could never imagine. Stay away from debate and relearn, Accept that, "Everything after the word THE is opinion", nothing more, now get some truth in your garden and grow it to share.
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/29/2008 8:12:08 AM | | And so in the year of our lord 2008 we find ourselves in the era of belief superceding fact. Oh well, at least it is fuel for "discussion" threads like this one. Maybe we should avoid bringing alien abduction into it. That would likely be good for another 12 pages tacked onto this thread. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/29/2008 9:31:17 AM | | Eye8one2, your entire post is a double negative, you are doing the very thing that you are telling others not to do. All of us know what that is called, but what this has to do with anything is anyones guess... | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/29/2008 10:15:20 AM | Assumption and opinion do not hold IT, but to know IT is to love IT. IT is not in debate nor debase nor WAR. Many SPEAR IT unknowingly and are LED to believe in material GOLD, lies.
tell me anything that comes after THE which is not an assumption and debatable? Put In THE together, IT can be found, but IN THE can not be found in BEGINNING.
There are some truths that are undeniable, you can debate about all that is unknown, take ownership, work so others can claim ownership. You can be a corp with others, have a bunch of CORPSES in business or a peon working to peddle lies and assumptions, trick others to believe your snake-oil will aid them.
Truth sets you free, ego binds and bonds you to lies. What you believe to own, owns you and that is not assumption.
Your mind is the garden, ego is a weed, assumption and opinion, debate, strife and careless living, tends to the weeds and words, the lie in your garden. Truth kills the weeds but some feed the ego instead and become truth-less as they eat the weeds that grow, IT is not within weeds nor words.
I have no time to waste on arguing and claiming to be anything other then what I am, others are here to prove others are who they are and their actions are what they are, please, you fools, the lies are covering your gardens and I have no wish to accidentally pick-up something poison directed towards my truth, my garden, my EDEN.
My truth is mine and IT can share of IT as IT is not mine, it is mind and I will mind my business and watch your castle and babbling destroy the false foundation and the lords who planted to take from you as they fall off the horses that IT owns.
Continue wasting life, people who do not know THE came before THE Chicken and THE EGG do not make good farmers nor guardians for a mansion that has many rooms. Stay where egos are applauded, I'm not long for here, I have a feast that is being prepared and the table will be set by IT and that which truly follows THE. The Table is the land and food comes on the table and is set by IT as IT is cause and effect.
Those who seek material and superficial gain, you are dead, now, before and forever, IT does not wish you to be that which you are not, you are dressing up for those who falsely give names and take ownership over that which is not theres to own nor to abuse, debase for sake of lies and egos.
The ignorant are ignorant though the work of those who are without spirit, IT will give residual payments to the correct account holders, there is no diverting from truth, no matter how many souls have been LED astray.
Soon you will need your mind and all you will have is opinions and assumptions. IT will be much like Monty Python and the Holy Grail when they got to the bridge to cross over, you will need at least one truth and not a lot of baggage. You try to go on board a plane with that which can harm machines/material, you are not a loud to board. \
Tell me, how will you or anyone get passed IT when you are filled with lies, IT does not need machines like peons and slave owners, IT only knows truth, IT will not take fakers/actors or puppets.
If IT does not see itself within you and you come and present the ego you believe you are, you will not gain passage, you will be back, struggling to live to rest in peace, trying to grow IT within while taking on assumptions, opinions and lies for sake of material and superficial ideals. Your ego carries a boulder each life time, sometimes you get near the top and you drop IT, you start again but IT is with you as IT is in WITH.
Take these truths, I wish nothing from YOU nor any other as YOU and OTHERS does not include IT. Others may find something interesting and they may wish to gain material from what comes through me as they do others as, within THEM, IT is not found. they steal ideas, they steal anything to own it to gain, these peons loss for stealling and help those who they steal from. STEAL, no IT within.
Wake up, you have something called an event horizon coming, the last was around 56k yrs ago. All know truth within these times and after, the weak of mind, carry on to debate and debase. many are there now and likely will stay as they count on their ego rather then IT, they speared IT, debased IT.
But dream of the moon and believe in what others tell you they have experienced. IT is in within as IT is with you always, a glimmer hoping to gleam.
Be safe, argue w/others, I can not continue within this forum as, ego's gone wild is not my choice of lifestyle.
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/29/2008 10:49:47 AM | Dude, you say the same 12 or so things to every. single. post. in every. single. thread. with a very few changes tossed in to make it sort of fit.
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/29/2008 11:18:41 AM | Nice ego you got there, IT is not in EGO, you seem to be all ego, wanting to tickle my ego, or is it to start a war. That is what is wrong within Society, those who sacrifice time to and for ego. What i give I give for nothing more then to give. What you give is opinion, assumption, give truth IT is free. Take what you want and leaf the rest, you struggle like all egos. keep up the work and worrying, IT is in neither but not work and worry.
Want to play insult tennis? Is that your next game.
Wake up EGO, you are nothing, you came after THE and peed in the pool, thats why your genes/jeans fit monkeys (money with a K) as well as they do.
Remember, the tree has fruits not mates and dates.
Are you from evolution? or from IT, IT makes IT hard, IT is in evolution but so is EVIL.
You see, LOVE is backwards in evolution, put SOL in the beginning, you have solution.
But I am sure you rather see live within evolution then IT (evolution backwards-sounds like KNOW IT U LOVE) as your opinion is greater within your mind lack is missing many truths by your words and works (IT is in neither) of egos gone wild.
Let go of it, it is cancer and much worse.
You can not bait me, i have seen to much and see more.
Grow weeds and sell them as flowers at the celebration that is free. Your kind who live for want and more are not invited to the celebration, the vibration, you can go to the cere-money, buy and sell lies with other fools.
peace with IT is the key, should I give you that as a clue or a plant for your weed-filled garden? Learn what IT means, win the game, the next go around will not as good as your last, it keeps getting harder, you better be ever-ready for what you have in store, you and all assumptions and opinions are truly SET up by the egos you worship.
People who believe they are IT or others are IT or any assumptions or opiniuons that are debasing towards IT or harmful towards that which love IT, pay off a wonderful prize, you like material, many7 will get all they can handle and more, wait and see., IT is in Wait and Weight.
I move 16 tons, what do I get, another day older and deeper in debt.
Sold my soul to the company store. Corpse are good with bodies and souls, I am sure you have lots of assumptions and oipinions courtesy of those wonderful and life giving corps(e). Another hint to wake up, but so many are so ignorant.
Truth is free, lies cost, many have bought what they have planted in their mind/garden, truly, the scarecrow has more true life and knowledge then all of the debaters and debasers of what came after THE.
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/29/2008 11:33:57 AM | And so in the year of our lord 2008 we find ourselves in the era of belief superceding fact.
I wouldn't despair. The people who believe nonsense are not the people we rely on for progress and problem-solving. It's nice to have these litmus tests to know who the wackos are so we can work around them. There are more sane people than crazies.
Also remember that Newton was an alchemist. Sometimes you have to take the bad with the good.
Like Elvis C says: I used to be disgusted. Now I try to be amused. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/29/2008 11:51:38 AM | oh, and you do need that wire, and "weather" is the thing where you look out the window, "whether" is when you decide whether to look out to check the weather or not.
The question was for Dr. Kynes. . .
As far as men going into outer space.......that has been done and is still being done. But weather or not they got beyond 500 miles from earths surface.....that is highly debateable....You should research the topic in more detail and look at the science and the anomolies in the Moon Hoax. Enough Said.
You see, he brought up the 'weather'.
It's getting harder and harder to write satire these days. The pack is just too damned educated.
Bachelor of Arts in Physics (a B.A.). Yeah, a bunch also offer a Bachelor of Science, or B.S.
I've been out of the game far too long. In my day you could only get a BSc. Then again, I am not in the USA. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/29/2008 12:00:23 PM |
You see, he brought up the 'weather'.
It's getting harder and harder to write satire when these days. The pack is just too damned educated.
Ah, I missed that. In my defense, it was rather late... to the point of being early again. :)
Back to packing.... feh. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/29/2008 12:08:21 PM |
It doesn't take a genious now (although maybe back in 1999-2000) you would be hard pressed to invision what is coming.
Genious's are a dime a dozen. True genius is much rarer, thus the different spellings.
Back in 1999/2000 the 'zany alternative' were more focused on the impending Y2K doom. One disaster at a time, that's what I always like to say.
WHAT are their intentions in the next coming months about Iran ?
I'd like this answered too.
The USA is right next door in Iraq and Afghanistan, would it be too much trouble to ask of you to swiftly invade this little cesspool of western envy and change the leadership? I just read in the news today that Iran has issued a warning to Israel that should they knock out their nuclear research facilities (as they did in Iraq before Dessert Storm) that Israel can expect a rain of missiles dumped down on their heads.
It's high time the United Nations stood for something and collectively disarm this mad little country. The vast majority of Iranians would support an invasion if it meant the end of the Ayotallah rule. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/29/2008 1:04:55 PM | Way cool Father3, a foreigner that is asking us to kick ass somewhere, a little on the flip side of things I think. I do have to agree with you about Iran, but the problems were having politicaly with Irag and Afghanistan will probably make the next president kind of timid about such things. Then again there has been some success with North Korea as if late, who knows, maybe things will work out.
One disaster at a time, that's what I always like to say.
Great quote, made me chuckle.... | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 6/29/2008 7:19:57 PM | | Reading over this thread again, particularly the last few pages I can't resist saying that as far as conspiracy theories go this one is pretty impotent. As for conspiracy believers it takes all Kynes I suppose. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 11:16:26 PM | Is this actually a serious topic?
Yes, we went to the moon.
No, 9/11 was not an inside job.
No, there's no such thing as the New World Order outside the minds of the deeply deluded.
No, there was no 2nd shooter in Dallas.
No, vaccines do not cause or contribute to autism in any way.
No, there's no fluoride in our drinking water.
Yes, David Icke and Alex Jones should be institutionalized.
No, I'm not an evil government plant trying to dissuade people from "The Truth" with a capital T. | |
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