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 RocketMan_Len

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Posted: 5/13/2009 1:07:44 PM
Wasn't it Neil Armstrong who did the hitting of the hack...?
 Davidartist

Joined: 3/20/2009
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Posted: 5/13/2009 1:15:46 PM
Capricorn One (Fun movie with O J Simpson) from the 1970's.

In 1969 everything went perfect on the very first try. That is pretty damn good, I commend you NASA Yet they have severely deteriorated if the few shuttle explosions of the last two decades are any indication. Their failure rate seems to outdo their success rate in regards to human occupation. Talk about a need for quality control!
 Direlight

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Posted: 5/13/2009 2:13:07 PM
They all ready proved it with math that it was fake. (sorry if this was all ready covered).

You can take the frame-rate of the moon landing film, and there is this scene where they drop a hammer, some guy figured out it was just a hammer being dropped in slow-motion, as he did the rate of speed at which it dropped/vs. the frame rate, and found if you speed it up a certain percentage, it falls at *exactly* the same rate it would on earth.

Plus, they look like they are in slow-motion the whole time , also the surface of the moon on the sunny side is like being in an oven, how is it the feather' doesn't burst into flames? or crack and sizzle.

Lets not forget the lethal amounts of radiation either, and the moon-lander contained NO LEAD. (at least not enough to do anything)

The moon landing is called "the big lie" propaganda, its a lie so big and so out there that no one questions it.

Also, due to the very very low gravity of the moon, you would have no problem jumping over a car, yet on the footage i think their max. jump height is about that of Michael Jordan (maybe less).
 Direlight

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Posted: 5/13/2009 2:15:36 PM
Oh yea almost forgot, due to the lack of wind on the moon, and millions of rocks hitting it over the years, the surface is covered in about 10-12 feet of dust.

Yet in the footage its about 3 inches deep.
 Storm Warning

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Posted: 5/13/2009 3:15:32 PM

They all ready proved it with math that it was fake. (sorry if this was all ready covered).

You can take the frame-rate of the moon landing film, and there is this scene where they drop a hammer, some guy figured out it was just a hammer being dropped in slow-motion, as he did the rate of speed at which it dropped/vs. the frame rate, and found if you speed it up a certain percentage, it falls at *exactly* the same rate it would on earth.

Plus, they look like they are in slow-motion the whole time , also the surface of the moon on the sunny side is like being in an oven, how is it the feather' doesn't burst into flames? or crack and sizzle.

Lets not forget the lethal amounts of radiation either, and the moon-lander contained NO LEAD. (at least not enough to do anything)

The moon landing is called "the big lie" propaganda, its a lie so big and so out there that no one questions it.

Also, due to the very very low gravity of the moon, you would have no problem jumping over a car, yet on the footage i think their max. jump height is about that of Michael Jordan (maybe less).



Oh yea almost forgot, due to the lack of wind on the moon, and millions of rocks hitting it over the years, the surface is covered in about 10-12 feet of dust.

Yet in the footage its about 3 inches deep.


Wow. Just - wow. I find it hard to understand how, in 2009, people still believe some of these things.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
 Storm Warning

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Posted: 5/13/2009 3:20:55 PM

Wasn't it Neil Armstrong who did the hitting of the hack...?

It was Buzz Aldrin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU
 NoBushLover

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Posted: 5/13/2009 3:46:53 PM

Wow. Just - wow. I find it hard to understand how, in 2009, people still believe some of these things.


My mom had a saying that exlpains it

"You can only be so smart, but stupid knows no limits"
 Storm Warning

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Posted: 5/13/2009 3:59:21 PM

My mom had a saying that exlpains it

"You can only be so smart, but stupid knows no limits"

Your mother is a very wise woman!
 futureshock

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Posted: 5/13/2009 3:59:39 PM
Does anyone think the non-beievers are maybe too young to have been around when the moon landings took place? Are there people here who were old enough to remember the moon landings that believe they are a hoax?
 wicked_desires

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Posted: 5/13/2009 4:00:25 PM
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 RocketMan_Len

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Posted: 5/13/2009 5:23:42 PM
It was Buzz Aldrin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU


Whoops. My mistake.

Direlight - how do you explain the fact that the feather fell AT THE SAME RATE as the hammer...? If it had been done in a studio the feather would have encountered air resistance, and fallen slower.
 stargazer1000

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Posted: 5/13/2009 5:32:37 PM

Anyone who doesn't believe we landed on the moon needs to be punched in the face repeatedly by Buzz Aldrin until they die. IMHO, They are simply too stupid to be allowed to continue in the gene pool.


Thanks fiddler, I couldn't have put it better myself.
 bulls eye annie

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Posted: 5/13/2009 6:56:08 PM
This immediately brings to mind an exerpt I read in the Discovery Magazine.....

We don't believe you westerners went to the moon, but you did
Westerners don't believe we archieve enlightenment in one life time, but we do

Annie
 Direlight

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Posted: 5/13/2009 8:36:25 PM
Yes, no one could ever make 2 objects appear together on the screen at the same time, without both objects existing.....

and yes i'm dumb as a post or something, yep.

So, according to the "brain" over there.

Camera Tricks don't exist, and math is wrong.

Oh and i'm stupid cause he says so, ya know just cause someone diasgrees with you doesn't make them stupid, infact due the fact that your entire argument is a childish insult, makes me wonder your IQ. I'm also not your pal, buddy! or your guy!

How about this, look up the moon-lander test flight footage. I'm not even gonna tell you what happens just google it and watch the video, then tell me how sure you are then mr. brain.

cause we all know squares are the best shape to make something that is gonna fly....

I'm not even gonna bother reading this thread anymore, the stupidity level is just too high, go worry about swine flu media slaves.
 Direlight

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Posted: 5/13/2009 8:43:16 PM
I got better idea for all you pro mooners out there.

1. Look up the construction of the lander, then build a small box you can fit in outta of the materials, make it as close to the lander as possible.

2.Put yourself and the box in a irradiated, airless furnace, wearing a Kennedy era NASA space suit.

3.Put "I want to believe" on your tombstone.


20 bucks says someone under this post will just write either

a) Learn to speak english or
b)Your wrong/your a homosexual.

See when you insult someone in a debate, that means you've lost, you are awarded no points, and may god have mercy on your soul, cause i won't.
 totovader

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Posted: 5/13/2009 8:55:05 PM
What, exactly, would this exercise prove?
 Direlight

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Posted: 5/13/2009 9:38:59 PM
Nothing, cause there is nothing to prove, duh.

I just think if you believe something so strongly and blindly, you need to back it up, otherwise your a trash-talker, and since i'm not the one being the pro-mooner here, i don't need to prove anything. The pro-mooners must convince me. The above "experiment" will do that nicely if they live through it without any serious problems.

You all do realize there is no atmosphere on the moon right?

That means the sun hits it directly. Temperatures on earth can reach what 115 or higher? Imagine that with no shielding, and only a space suit to protect you.

Let me know how it goes !

Oh, and i hope your immune to ultra-violet radiation, ya know the thing that gives you a sunburn, which doesn't exist if your a pro-moon person.

Man, for the moon-landing to be real look at the # of things that couldn't possible exist, that do. hmmm almost as if something about landing on the moon could, be i dunno,.....not true??? hmmm, don't hurt your brains now, i hear the gears grinding and smoke coming out your ears.
 totovader

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Posted: 5/13/2009 9:47:41 PM
So it's not supposed to prove anything... but it's supposed to prove you're right because you thinks that "irradiation" should have killed anyone who's been in space?

Have you even bothered to check up on your facts?
 Direlight

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Posted: 5/13/2009 10:48:51 PM
i said "irradiated" which means, an area full of radiation, look it up english professor.

Also, no human has actually been to "outer space" . At least not to live and tell about it.

There is a "belt" around the earth which protects us from harmful rays from the sun, if you go outside of this without proper shielding of some kind, you die.

The moon happens to be outside of this "belt".

However, as we can plainly see, you don't believe in such non-sense and only 40 year old news broadcasts, so good luck with that.
 Direlight

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Posted: 5/13/2009 10:53:41 PM
To clarify, by outer-space i mean breaking the earth's orbit, where all the human activity is thats "inner-space" or low orbit.

I don't need to check the facts, as i have just stated them, you obviously need to be less ignorant in the future, thank you.

Thank you Mr. Swope, he was an awesome science teacher! You should shoot yours.
 totovader

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Posted: 5/13/2009 11:01:42 PM
You are avoiding my question. You claimed that ultraviolet radiation would be deadly to anyone without proper shielding. This is after you tried to imply that a simple experiment would vindicate you. Since you continue to run circles around your own statements let's be painfully clear:

How much ultraviolet radiation exists beyond the natural protection of the van allen belts?

How much ultraviolet radiation would be required in order to be considered a lethal dose?

What kind of protection existed for this and other flights, and what evidence do you have that it was insufficient to prevent a lethal dose of ultraviolet radiation?

And finally, have you ever bought a pair of sunglasses?


Methinks you are just repeating some uneducated nonsense you read on a website somewhere and that you have no idea as to what you're talking about... which is probably why you're just going to dodge my questions again.
 themadfiddler

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Posted: 5/14/2009 12:13:15 AM
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4279691.html


Ever since man went to the moon—and still today as America plans to go back (via DIY, NASA or the next president) —there have been those who said we never actually made it there in the first place. Instead, they say, the whole moon landing was a massive conspiracy perpetrated by NASA using elaborate sets and special effects. And they support their claims with what they believe to be irregularities in photography and film taken on the moon.

Sounds like a case for MythBusters and special-effects gurus Jamie Hyneman and Adam Savage, who take on the most popular lunar conspiracy theories tonight at 9 pm on the Discovery Channel with the help of a vintage NASA camera, a purpose-built rig and an airplane.

For Hyneman and Savage, taking on the moon landing conspiracy was a no-brainer. "They've been on our radar for a long time, because it's something everybody knows about, and it's not something you can go there yourself to check it out—at least not very easily," Hyneman told PM last week. "When we started to look into all the suspicions that were there, there was a lot of meat for us to dig into. Especially since it's sort of centered on special effects—that's our daily work, so we got into it." Though other people have tackled the moon conspiracy, "We felt that we couldn't put it to bed until we put our own stamp on it," Savage says.

After identifying conspiracy theories from several major categories, including faked photos and film footage, the duo began researching NASA's huge store of information, a challenge in and of itself. "NASA has been incredibly open-source about the missions to the moon, about every scrap of information down to the material in the astronaut's socks," Savage says. "So you have a tremendous amount of material to choose from to make sure that your replication is entirely accurate. We had probably a greater breadth of information than we usually have to achieve the replication. But that also means that you've got to be a little bit more picky, and choose carefully so that you're not overwhelming yourself with details that aren't actually germane to the myth you're doing."

Theorists claim that famous photos snapped on the moon have irregularities that prove a conspiracy—including shadows that don't run parallel (allegedly indicative of multiple light sources rather than the single source provided by the sun), and an illuminated astronaut standing in the shadow of the moon lander (theorists say that's impossible without a fill light). To see if they could duplicate the photos, Hyneman and Savage constructed a miniature model set—complete with a 1/76th-scale model of the lunar lander and portland cement mixed with black powder to mimic the moon's surface.

First, they looked at the parallel shadow photo, lighting the model's flat surface with a single source of light and taking a shot of the scene with a Hasselblad camera designed specifically for NASA's moon missions. Sure enough, the shadows were parallel—but the Mythbusters didn't stop there. When they added contours and topography to the model moon surface, then lit it with a light source, the shadows in the resulting photo looked far off parallel.

When Hyneman and Savage tested the second photograph, they built a larger lunar lander to fit a 1/6-size model of Neil Armstrong from Adam's collection, and mixed their own regolith, or moon powder, from portland cement and charcoal powder. That allowed them to duplicate the NASA photograph—no fill light necessary, because regolith is reflective. That's how we can see the moon at night: Sunlight bounces off the moon and back at us. Real regolith has a reflectivity index between 7 and 10 percent; the MythBusters' concoction had an albedo of 8 percent.

Though that was enough to consider the photo conspiracy busted, it also showed that models could be used to mimic the surface of the moon—a fact that didn't escape Hyneman and Savage. "They were looking at these little artifacts of these photographs of the moon landings and saying they were fake because of some little thing that they spotted," Hyneman says. "We weren't going in there saying that any particular thing is absolutely not possible to fake. We were going in and saying that what we were seeing wasn't necessarily faked based on the kinds of details that theorists point out as evidence that the photos were faked. We set up some camera lights and everything else that indicated a single-point source of light, as in the sun, and yes, you could have faked that shot, or yet, it could have actually been the real case, depending on the terrain." According to Hyneman, this testing went much more quickly than on a typical MythBusters show—it only took the team about an hour to build the moon set.

Conspiracy theorists also claim that NASA faked the footage of the astronauts on the moon by filming them in a studio, then slowing down the film to mimic what movement would look like at moon's gravity (one-sixth of Earth's gravity). To test this third theory, Savage and Hyneman needed a bigger space than their shop, so they headed to the Alameda Naval Base. And, in typical MythBusters form, the first part of their trip was as much as fun as scientific: Savage put on a spacesuit costume from his personal collection (modified, of course, with some accurate details straight from NASA) then jumped, hopped and skipped while Jamie filmed him at 48 frames per second (fps). Next, they brought in a rig with a harness and bungee cords attached to a tracking system—built specifically for the test by Trapeze World—that would simulate the moon's gravity. After strapping in, Adam repeated the three movements while Jamie filmed him at 48 fps.

When they slowed down the footage to the regular 24 fps, they weren't impressed by what they found. While it was close, the slowed down footage wasn't an exact match with NASA's footage: The effort Adam needed to jump up and down moved his helmet in a way not seen in NASA's footage, and none of Adam's movements were quite as smooth as the astronauts'.

They could have stopped there, but Hyneman and Savage still weren't satisfied. So they suited up (Jamie, too!), added 180 pounds in chest and wrist weights and weight belts, then took to the air with ZeroG, a company that offers a weightless experience inside an airplane. To simulate the moon's gravity, the plane went into a series of parabolic arcs, as Savage was filmed at regular speed mimickiing the astronauts' movements. (Coming out of that weightlessness, the MythBusters say, was intense: You weigh twice what you do on Earth, a sensation Hyneman says felt "like your feet are going to climb out the top of your head.") And in that environment, he was able to accurately mimic the movements in NASA's footage. "That was the real feather in the cap in terms of making sure that we'd buttoned down every possible explanation," Savage says.

"And of course, we would have liked to button it down further by building our own rocket ship and going to the moon, but in general we only have about 10 days on the ground with an episode, and we figured we'd need at least two or three weeks to do that," Jamie laughs. (Both MythBusters say they'd go to the moon in a second—but building their own ship is part of the deal, as is building their own spacesuits. "I'd start with garbage bags and a lot of duct tape," Hyneman muses.)

Despite what they found, Savage doubts that anything on the show will have an effect on conspiracy theorists. "I think it's predictable what their stance will be: That we're just shills for the Man!" he laughs.

"We're not too out there to educate people about any specific thing necessarily so much as we are to encourage critical and scientific thinking," Hyneman says. "And regardless of whether conspiracy theorists are right or wrong in their conclusions, it's good to think carefully about what is told and what is out there and make up your own mind. That's all we are really pro: making sure that you just don't swallow everything that you're fed, and look at it clearly and critically."

The bottom line, Savage insists, is that we went to the moon. "The fact is, science isn't about coming up with the ultimate truth," he says, "because there is no such thing. It's about looking at the evidence and coming to conclusions. And if a conspiracy theorist wants to come to the most complicated possible conclusion based on the evidence, what we've done in this episode is shown that in fact going to the moon is a simpler solution than the conspiracy theory. And given Occam's razor and general scientific principle, that's the most likely explanation for all the evidence we have that we went to the moon: that we actually did."


As to the "radiation"...

http://spider.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/waw/mad/mad19.html
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/Apollobib/contents.html
http://www-pdg.lbl.gov/1999/contents_sports.html

One is left with little conclusion that those who believe that we did not go to the moon are credulous, unscientific idiots with a penchant for accepting conspiratorial thinking at the drop of a hat. You don't know science and you don't know the history or the subject matter nearly as well as you think you do. Get over yourselves and grab a clue. Nuff said.
 RocketMan_Len

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Posted: 5/14/2009 5:43:13 AM
Sure - camera tricks exist... but why has no CREDIBLE venue come forward to refute the footage, if it's as phony as you claim...? Bear in mind that there was no such thing as CGI effect in the 60s - you simply could not make a video that looked totally real, even to a casual observer.

You DO realize that UV is blocked by clothing, right? And a polarizing filter is all you need to protect your vision - quite do-able at the time. As for the heat - ever wear oven-mitts? It doesn't take much to protect you from heat of several hundred degrees.

To the lunar-lander simulator. You take a video from ONE accident, out of several dozen flights, and say that it's impossible to do. That's like saying rail travel is impossible, because you have video of a single derailment. Not convincing.

As for your claim of the lunar lander not being the right shape to fly... your own statement about the moon not having an atmosphere crushes it. When there's no atmosphere, you don't need an aerodynamic shape to fly - put a rocket motor under a cement truck, and it can land on the moon.

Next silly argument...?
 xzanthius

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Posted: 5/14/2009 5:58:47 AM
I personally, seriously, believe that the probablities are higher that there is an alien base on the moon than that we've faked the landing. After 40 yrs there would have been some disclosures (especially with people getting older and not caring so much about their reputations).
 Thorb

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Posted: 5/14/2009 8:52:27 AM
I don't believe anyone here on PoF has landed on the moon.

To the Moon Alice ..... to the Moon!
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