| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/23/2007 9:37:49 PM | | As the main driving force was political, once the first landings had been accomplished and the USSR soundly beaten, the government finance started to dry up. The Apollo missions were incredibly expensive and people were starting to wonder if it was worth it now we knew it was just a dry lifeless rock and that the Russians weren't in the running anymore. The USSR space program had hit a number of very explosive failures and weren't so keen to go either now. There's little glory in being second on the moon. Within a decade or so and the USSR had enough problems running the country and their nuclear reactors to even consider trips to the moon. The military weren't so bothered either. The idea of some kind of missile base on the moon was never a consideration. By the time it took the missiles to reach Earth everything would be over anyway. What was much more practical was satellites, spy and otherwise, and any military developments could be achieved easier and cheaper in low orbit than on the moon anyway. So the military preferred the money to be spent on the Shuttles. That just leaves scientific reasons. The scientists would love to go back to the moon as there's bound to be lots more to discover. Unfortunately the scientists aren't in charge of handing out the money. If you're American ('cos lets face it, they're the only ones who could afford it) and you want to go back to the moon, then tell your politicians that. They need convincing. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/23/2007 10:21:56 PM |
Exactly.
So how was it this supposed event took place "back then?"
People will believe anything they see on the TV. It's kind of disgusting. I take from your comment that you're a non-believer in our landing on the moon? That thinking would also lead one to believe that a compass, a primitive tool by today's standard, made it impossible for ships to sail and find new lands? "Supposed" events have happened all around us, TV or not. Seeing it on TV does NOT make it real, knowing the facts is what makes it real. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/24/2007 12:30:34 AM |
So how was it this supposed event took place "back then?"
People will believe anything they see on the TV. It's kind of disgusting.
Because launching rockets isn't really that complicated, we're dealing with Neutonian physics here. The math involved was quite old and understood, the engineering was cutting edget at the time.
More like you're digusted because people will believe in evidence (including freaking moon rocks) rather than frankly stupid conspiracy theories. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/24/2007 1:23:17 AM | Not only that, but the astronauts saw things they couldn't talk about over national airwaves. There was a small interval in which NASA "lost" comms with its crew, but it was much moreso an off-the-record conversation. Buzz Aldrin came on Coast 2 Coast and revealed that he was 100% assured of sentient life other than Earth's. It'll be interesting to see if anyone spills the beans on their deathbed about what happened out there.
Imagine peering into space from the moon. It'd be as scary as it would beautiful. Try searching for transcripts of the radio dialogue between Houston and its crew. Their terminology is pretty mysterious, and some of astronaut's knee jerk quotes upon exploring are downright eerie. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/24/2007 7:45:16 AM | | Somebody mentioned the cold war, is there anyone dumb enough to believe that if it had been fake the Russians would have gone along. Geezzz if it had been fake Kruzschef would have been standing in the UN banging his shoe on the desk ,holding up the evidence and laughing at the "Great Satan" | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/24/2007 8:55:08 PM | http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts6711630.aspx
The total amounts (in real dollars) that NASA has been budgeted from 1958 to 2007
amounts to $419.420 billion dollars -- an average of $8.559 billion per year.
Measured in real terms
(Meaning: if the value of $1.00 in 2007 equaled the value of $1.00 in 1958),
the figure is $618.412 billion,
or an average of $12.681 billion dollars per year over its' forty-nine year history.
NASA's budget peaked in 1966, during the height of construction efforts
leading up to the first moon landing program known as Project Apollo.
The 2007 budget seeks $439.3 billion for the military, and $16.8 billion for NASA
Faking it with a motion picture camera would have been cheaper !!!! | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/25/2007 1:03:03 AM | "There's little glory in being second on the moon. "
There is always glory in traveling outside our atmosphere
"We learned all we can learn from landing on the moon."
Oh? from spending a few weeks there? Humans have spent our history on Earth and still haven't learned all "there is to learn"
"2 So why don't they use the moon anymore they clearly are doing things up there"
www.universetoday.com do some reading | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/25/2007 11:17:26 PM | Any conspiracy theory that just magically surfaces 30 or 40 years after the fact, long after many who can provide proof either way have either died, moved on to other things, or simply don't remember anymore doesn't hold any more weight with me than any story concocted by a disgruntled former employee looking for his/her name on a billboard.
If a hoax this elaborate had been made, then something leaking out about the hoax would have happened long before now. To think otherwise, I believe, is foolish.
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/26/2007 10:58:43 AM | canadian37 .. Food for thought..
In 1962 a facility was built in Cloudcroft, NM .. An Airforce Facility called the Electrical Optical Site.. The men who manned the facility were from Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. I knew all of the Men who manned the facility. When the men were transferred their families came with them, our family was one of the first to arrive in Cloudcroft. My Dad was one of the Airmen. In fact I still have old movies showing the building of the site.
One of the important elements for the facility were optical lenses, very large - special, to observe objects in space. The day the space craft landed on the Moon, it was observed through these lenses, my Dad and my husband observed the landing.
The facility in Cloudcroft was turned over to RCA in 1969 and torn down in the late 1970's. The lenses were stored and later replaced in a facility in California, built around 1988-1989. They remain there to date.
Needless to say, there was an actual flight and landing. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/26/2007 4:34:53 PM | Don't you think the Russians would have made a really big stink about it if it had been a hoax?
Give this man a cigar. The main reason for the moonshot was international politics, and the most compelling counter-evidence would have been political backlash from the Soviet Union. There wasn't any. *knock, knock* "Hello! McFly!"
What I find curious is that the last moon landing hoax thread had most posters skeptical that we went to the moon. I'm glad to see that that is not the case here.
There's almost more 'technology' in our Microwave ovens today than what they had back then. Exactly. So how was it this supposed event took place "back then?" People will believe anything they see on the TV. It's kind of disgusting.
Well, microwave oven technology is the same as that used in radar. Radar technology has been around since... get ready for this... WORLD WAR II. Just because something is on TV doesn't make it untrue, either. That reasoning would be equally disgusting. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/26/2007 4:56:58 PM | | It was just some american leaders who wanted to pull the wool over our eyes and many were dosy enough to take the bait. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/26/2007 5:04:30 PM | ^^^ Yes, well, you have to wake up pretty early in the morning to fool some people, eh?
*pointing to card with pictures of a screw and a baseball* | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/26/2007 6:03:38 PM | | one important bit of info, the space craft that went to the moon was guided by computer, using 64 K. The computer in the Electrical Optical site of course had the same memory. I remember my Dad setting at the kitchen table going over booklets trying to learn how to program the computer. The first he had ever seen, and so very large. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/27/2007 3:15:56 PM |
And another thing. Don't you think the Russians would have made a really big stink about it if it had been a hoax?
The Russians take their marching orders from the Council on Foreign Relations, the World Banking system, and the IRS, who perpetrated this fraud. WAKE UP PEOPLE! | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/28/2007 12:32:58 PM |
WE haven't landed on the moon. if yes? show me proof.
While I have never landed on the moon, 'WE' (ie the USA) did a number of times. It is up to those who are making the accusation of NO moon landing to show their proof.
Those who make extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence to make their claims. The evidence that those who claim no landing show is poor, at best, and based on flawed ideas and concepts. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/28/2007 3:16:51 PM | They ought to have supermarkets up their by now. Instead ziltch.....nothing!
Meanwhile, the whole world has advanced in technology.  | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/28/2007 4:33:29 PM |
Those who make extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence to make their claims. The evidence that those who claim no landing show is poor, at best, and based on flawed ideas and concepts.
I agree, the claims of that televised moon landing is extraordinary.
No "extraordinary" evidence what so ever.
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/28/2007 5:42:05 PM | You don't need very much technology to go to the moon. You need a big rocket, with lots of fuel to break earths atmosphere, a lot of very smart guys with pencils to do the maths, a stable craft that can land there and enough fuel for the trip back.
There isn't an argument for a hoax yet that stands up to scientific or logical scrutiny so given that none of us were part of the Apollo missions, you have to make your analysis based on evidence. And all the evidence suggests that they went to the moon.
Scientifically, going to the moon is fairly straightforward. The problems, as with all space flight, are in engineering. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/28/2007 7:08:16 PM | Msg #52, meet (ie read) Msg #32.
The Russians take their marching orders from the Council on Foreign Relations, the World Banking system, and the IRS, who perpetrated this fraud. WAKE UP PEOPLE!
Namegame2, in another thread, you are the sole defender of the IRS. Now you are claiming that they are a major player in a massive conspiratorial fraud. Will your real opinion of the IRS please stand up?
And if believing your worldview is being "awake," I'd rather remain asleep-- with the facts, and a firm grip on Occam's Razor... | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 7/28/2007 8:52:31 PM | Namegame2, in another thread, you are the sole defender of the IRS. Now you are claiming that they are a major player in a massive conspiratorial fraud. Will your real opinion of the IRS please stand up?
My aluminum foil hat wasn't adjusted properly in the other thread, and I was the victim of government mind-control.
OR - I considered Ron Paul candidacy worthy of serious discussion, but a discussion about faking the moon landings just plain loopy. | |
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