| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 5/19/2009 9:20:47 PM | Well, as said before, the Russians aren't dumb. If they knew this was faked, they'd expose it to embarrass the US.
And this would also have to be a conspiracy among the American and British governments. Why would Britain go along with a lie?
And that conspiracy yeah, would definitely include thousands of people who make NASA their whole life.
It also verges on defaming the characters of Armstrong, Aldrin and John Glen (and many others).
It's preposterous. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 5/19/2009 10:16:34 PM | You know what? at this point...there are those who do and those who don't. Frankly, it's absurd to think we can't keep nuclear secrets from the chinese but we'd go to these lengths for a fraud that gains us what?
Forget it...don't answer...some horses will drink the water....others will assume it's Jim Jones flavor aid. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 5/20/2009 9:15:50 AM | Landing on the moon is not a matter of belief. We DID land on the moon. You can disbelieve it all you want, but that won't change the facts one iota.
A lot of things on this forum are like that. Reality is what it is, and it is certainly not going to change based on what lunatic fringe flakes choose to believe about it. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 5/20/2009 5:32:49 PM | | After all this reading, I can't believe the number of people who ask "why didn't THEY want to go back?" NASA did! Who paid for it? During the cold war, the taxpayers were willing to see the JFK legacy through, but once it was done, lost interest. Pathetic, apathetic Americans are why we're not there now. Ignorant, foolish, and downright STUPID people are the only reason we still debate this. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 5/20/2009 10:09:32 PM | | We landed, I'll give NASA that for sure. Did we do it live, nationally sindicated, in front of 100+ million people? I'm very skeptical. NASA could never risk the 50+ billion in todays dollars (on ongoing funding) on such an epic mission if it didn't go exactly as planned. And yet it went exactly as planned. Yet numerous missions aftermentioned with better technology and funding have resulted in catastrophe before ever leaving the atmosphere. This would indicate to me that either the NASA organization has drastically detariorated in planning and funding or that they gave the public what it wanted to prove that the US was technologically more proficient then Russia. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 5/21/2009 10:11:29 AM | | It wasn't such a big deal to land on the moon. Like it was pointed out there was plenty of money at the time and the technology being used was brand new. Plus we kept our fingers crossed the whole time (please no solar flares). | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 5/21/2009 10:19:52 AM | | The way you should look at all conspiracy theories is by working out how many people would need to know about it and keep their mouths shut, and for how long. For the moon landing, that number must have been at least thousands, for nearly 40 years. It's much more plausible to believe that they did actually land on the moon, because a conspiracy on that scale would be beyond the wit of man to manage. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 5/21/2009 4:27:41 PM |
And yet it went exactly as planned.
Not quite. They had to 'jump' over a crater they were flying into, bringing them dangerously close to their fuel allotment for landing in Apollo 11. And let's not forget the Apollo 1 tragedy.
Yes, there have been numerous missions that have failed tragically. Two shuttles lost in 25 years. A few probes that have gone a tad "off course." but NASA has had some pretty spectacular successes.
This would indicate to me that either the NASA organization has drastically detariorated in planning and funding or that they gave the public what it wanted to prove that the US was technologically more proficient then Russia.
And the answer to that is "yes." | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 5/21/2009 4:39:55 PM |
And yet it went exactly as planned.
I'm fairly certain that the third lunar mission didn't go QUITE exactly as planned.
And stargazer is correct - Neil Armstrong had to take manual control of the lunar descent moments before landing to prevent from hitting a boulder field. They landed with 25 seconds of fuel left. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/20/2009 8:35:07 PM | that's right. big brother is our friend. he loves us and nurtures us and wants us to be successful in our business lives so he can get more tax money from us.
he wants us to be the greatest parents ever! cz if we don't take care of our children then he won't either!!
grrrrrr
Kelina
proud fighter of the system | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/22/2009 12:38:59 PM | It boggles my mind that people are still even asking this question.
Here's some food for thought.
That "food" you're talking about has no nutritional value whatsoever.
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/22/2009 1:42:11 PM |
It boggles my mind that people are still even asking this question
i totally agree. But have you read most of the topics in this forum?? I dont think this is the science/philosophy forum anymore...its pseudoscience haven. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/22/2009 4:06:53 PM | Something was televised.
The empirical 'evidence', indeed, shows that the story is consistent with all elements suggestive of a moon landing. (Whatever, 'Us' geniuses thinks that entails!)
The evidence is, at best 'second hand'. Only the individuals who actually landed on a piece of rock in space, could verify, for themselves, that this actually happened. All other 'opinion' and enlightened 'logic' spewing forth from 'second-hand' witnesses is irrelevant.
Conspire
To breathe with the same breath.
Anyone know who shot JFK?
cheers
galaxy | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/22/2009 4:11:08 PM | | hi.... my first response was yes but then I started to ask myself if I thought that they could pull off such a deception and my answer was also yes... the idea that too many people were involved to keep it secret well that did not work for me, esp since people somewhere are stating that it was staged.... I hope that it is true but I am not 100% certain anymore because it seems that mankind is capable of almost anything... there are only as few things that I am 100% certain of in this world..... many blessings | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/22/2009 4:37:58 PM |
The evidence is, at best 'second hand'. Only the individuals who actually landed on a piece of rock in space, could verify, for themselves, that this actually happened. All other 'opinion' and enlightened 'logic' spewing forth from 'second-hand' witnesses is irrelevant.
No, the second hand witnesses accounts are just as, if not more, reliable. Hundreds of people working in mission control not only calculated the exact trajectory the shuttle would need to precisely hit the moon, but they watched on monitors as it sped off toward that destination. They are the ones who built the rockets, built the landing gear, built a structure suitable for "out of our atmosphere" survival. If it was a hoax, these are indeed the people who would have needed to be in on it. The astronauts themselves didnt build all these devices...they just drove the ship. So if it wasnt the people who made the landing possible who were in on the hoax, then who was it? The government? And how would the government fool the people who planned and executed the operation itself??
No, if you believe in a hoax, you must believe the entirety of NASA was in on it, not just the astronauts. Conversely, if you believe it was real, then all of NASA can confirm that fact, not just the astronauts.
Further, the fact that the hoax would involve too many people to remain intact IS a valid one. Sure, there are people out there who say it never happened. But if they really had the authority to make this claim, why wouldnt they be able to provide ANY evidence. Thats the real key. It isnt the fact that hundreds of people would have had to have kept quiet. Its the fact that also NONE of these people could have escaped with any evidence. Which none have. Statistically, the chances that the moon landing was a hoax is so astronomically low that its not even worth considering. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/22/2009 4:48:40 PM | I am not sure you read what I wrote Greg14229.
What I have intimated is that, I did not land on the moon, you did not land on the moon, mission control did not land on the moon.
I allow the submission that something happened.
The veracity of it is open, for me, in that, I must place these events into the category of belief - despite 'evidence'.
The reply by LateTrademark, illustrates my point. I 'experience', something we call air. I have not to this point experienced a moon walk!
Have you? | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/22/2009 5:04:44 PM | | i've never experienced Poland. But i know it exists. Some thing exist to such a degree of certainty that you just need to rely on them to allow the world to function, whether you experienced them or not. To question them has no advantage whatsoever. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/22/2009 5:12:25 PM | | only to the extent with which that questioning moves us forward. If a current theory leaves some uncertainties, then it should be questioned. But if it continues to explain further and further observations, then questioning it at that point is not valid. We dont question mathematics. On a macroscopic scale, we dont question relativity. These things have given us no reason to. Similarly evolution and the moon landings have given us no reason to. To doubt or actively question these things at this point is not progressive. Now, if valid evidence was uncovered that contradicted evolution or the moon landings, it deserves questioning. Until then, operate on the assumption they are true. If we dont, we can't move forward. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/22/2009 5:14:26 PM | Experiencing Poland is certainly within the bounds of experience, for both of us.
The moon - I'm not sure about that.
ah, but the feasibility of experiencing it does not make it more true in itself. Just the logic and evidence. If on my deathbed, i will know Poland exists, although at that point its too late to visit it. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/22/2009 5:21:27 PM | Agreed greg14229.
I question the moon landing (for the purposes of this excercise), in that, I am not bundling second-hand 'evidence' to support my personal claim that this did, in fact happen. I am still questioning this (for the excercise) because my evidence is not nearly 60% of what would convince me either way.
I personally did not land on the moon.
However, photos from spacecraft of the earth and the moon do exist (real or not), I see this shining thing in the sky - therefore for me, with my sight - I know there is something there. (unless I am hallucinating) | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/22/2009 5:35:51 PM | Here is perhaps a more progressive line of reasoning (if not a bit off topic).
It is 95% certain that the human race will end between 5100 and 7.8 million years from now (according to the Gott equations, which are surprisingly valid). There is only one way to break the glass ceiling of these figures, and that is to spread out, as a race. To deconfine ourselves to the earth. So, instead of wasting money sending more and more manned missions into space, the next mission should be a one-way trip. It is estimated that sending a crew of 8 people to mars, along with enough supplies to start a self sufficient civilization, would cost less than the total cost of the space program so far to date. And once planted, they would be totally financially independant of us. And could send us info on mars for free.
If these 8 people tripled every 30 years, they would be in the millions in only a few hundred years. If we had somehow done this in the year 1600 (not that long ago), there could be a race of millions on mars now.
Its the only way to extend ourselves as a race. Although its unlikely to happen anytime soon. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/22/2009 5:44:59 PM | ^^^^
I'm not sure about 5100 and 7.8 million years from now as predictive figures. But I do agree that our chances of ultimate survival are dependant upon us spreading out.
As for the next mission. A permanent colony on Mars. Well, most likely it would have to be permanent because those people might never be able to function on Earth normally after spending years in zero gee and further years on Martian gravity.
A good book to read is Red Mars by ... Kim Stanley Robinson. | |
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