| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/1/2007 10:51:21 AM |
As for the Soviets not even trying, apparently you didn't read Msg #26. It was so well-informed that I already referred another poster to it. I really have to stand by my earlier statement that you found offensive. If you can't even be bothered to read this very thread, how can you feel justified in your indignation against my comment?
And in fact the Soviets did sent robotic probes to the moon that brought back moon rocks. They just were beaten by us to put a man there first. But they could still have succeded in putting a man there. They just would be second, that's all. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/1/2007 1:08:25 PM |
And in fact the Soviets did sent robotic probes to the moon that brought back moon rocks. They just were beaten by us to put a man there first. But they could still have succeded in putting a man there. They just would be second, that's all.
The Lunakhod(?spelling) probe did reach the moon at the same time as the Apollo astronauts in Apollo 11. I believe it also returned samples BEFORE the astronauts returned to Earth, too, but I could be wrong there.
The Soviets were actually the race for the moon with the US. They had a lander built and tested. I've seen the pictures of it and it look very similar to the American LEM. Their problem was that the rocket that was supposed to lift it into space was unreliable. Several times it exploded on the launch pad due to excessive vibration wiping out the launch pad and numerous technicians. The Soviets abandoned their efforts not long after and focused more on Earth orbital flights. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/2/2007 7:40:37 PM | | The Soviets had been making landings (hard & soft) on the moon as early as 1959. For the longest time, the Russians were ahead in the space race. They proved you could do a soft landing and not sink into the sand of the moon as originally feared. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/2/2007 8:13:23 PM | Nope - they landed in Sudbury, Ontario and that is why NASA went back there in the mid 70's to plant all those trees - to cover up the evidence.
Those Lunar buggies were actually modified skidoo's. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/2/2007 9:26:22 PM | "How is this possible? This event was supposedly mankind's greatest exploration achievement...
...I must have missed an important part in this story somewhere."
No kidding! I think you missed the REALITY part of the story! (And I DON'T mean 'reality' as in those heavily-edited, bullsh*t "reality" shows like 'Survivor', 'Big Brother' etc.)
Try to get hold of some of those old fashioned, non-volatile-hard-copy-storage devices...I think they're called "books"...and do some reading. Might learn something.
Really, anybody who doesn't believe men landed on the moon has spent far too much time on the study of Uranus. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/3/2007 1:03:12 AM |
Do you remain unconvinced by everything you've read and seen about this, or are you just turned off by the perceived antagonism of the "other side"? Is distaste really enough to make you disagree completely? Put yourself in the same position-- how sweet would you come off to a flat earth society member whose opinion is strong, whose argument is weak, and whose skin is thin, shall we say?
Hello. I didn't ask for antagonism, but for something resembling a "point-by-point assesment and deconstruction" of assertions coming from the DENIERS. I would prefer(!) to be convinced beyond reasonable doubt that we left orbit; unfortunately, it would require something more substantial than rote repetition of assertions that are trotted out as if they were facts...(It's been "suggested" that----Van Allen Radiation > day at beach----- ... is this a bald-faced lie hissed by thin-skinned, bitter flat-earth types, or a "possibility"?) And yeees I read msg. 26..... "Well-informed"? orrr, maybe "Junior-high book report- level dissertation of 'facts' unverifiable by the reporter"? Hmm... the Soviets wanted it so badly they could taste it, but then(!) tough times! & setbacks!...mistakes were made! OK, you guys have come close to convincing me. METHINKS "y'all" doth protest tooooo much. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/3/2007 2:27:40 AM | of course we landed on the moon, we also were attacked by terrorists on 9/11, the war on terror is a war on terror, not some stupid oil quest.
Conspiracy theorists love to attack and destroy an idea presented by a government. Yes SOME skepticism is healthy (I.E. Watergate), but to completely attack every explanation that the government would give its people is absurd. For it is a lot easier to destroy and pick at one another's deeds, than to actually go out AND DO SOMETHING. If you believe your government is against you, than revolt against it. Us americans did it back in the day, so if you truly believe the government is out to get you instead of trying to save your hide, than save your hide, otherwise shut up you stinking pansy. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/3/2007 4:54:04 PM | Fuelman, your last post has no real rebuttal, as in a valid argument. You're merely starting to appear as a person who plugs his ears and yells, "I can't hear you, la, la, la!" I cannot have a real discussion if you just want to say, "Yeah, right!" to every point brought up. It just seems like you have an axe to grind.
If you looked for evidence and found little that is credible (from an objective standpoint), then I would say you have a case. However, the evidence is out there in spades, and it's just glaringly obvious that you haven't looked very hard for it, which speaks much louder than your words of unfounded skepticism... gems like "we may never know why the Soviets didn't expose the fraud."
If you are not convinced that we landed on the moon (several times), then that must mean you are more convinced that it was all faked. Where are your verifiable facts that back up that belief? I don't just mean "evidence" that the landings didn't happen. No, I mean evidence that a massive fraud and hoax DID happen. That would have been more expensive and, in a twisted way, more impressive than us actually going to the moon. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/3/2007 8:39:08 PM | | If i'm fooled then I am. But the 1st moon landing was real to me. I doubt there could have been a big CG set with camera effects back then. Why would the US go to such great lenghts to build big aircraft? I believe moon landing was not a figment of our imagination & I doubt it is now. Even though the only concern is war nowadays. >=/ | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/4/2007 9:07:17 AM | Although nothing will ever convince the conspiracy theorists, slashdot is currently running a thread that NASA and Arizona State University are about to put ALL of the NASA film footage online for free as TIFF, PNG or ISIS. Slashdot got the news from spaceref:
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=23141
the archive is at:
http://apollo.sese.asu.edu/
If you haven't had enough noise in your intellectual diet, the slashdot thread is at:
http://science.slashdot.org/science/07/08/04/125207.shtml | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/7/2007 8:25:48 AM | Just watch this video by Fox TV: Did We Land On The Moon
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1138935117048624484
Do we have to believe a-ha and moby went on the Moon because we saw them doing in their music video's (with much better quality video than the Apollo Moon Hoax).
Isn't this special: NASA set up by NAZI'S!!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4443934.stm
Sorry, I don't believe what Nazi's say! | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/7/2007 9:48:10 AM | That is true. The US accepted all the NAZI scientists and started NASA, the words are strikingly similar.
What is truly hilarious is that sheeple will attack people who are introducing them to truth and fact as well as attack people, who through investigative work, trial/error as well as lot's of R and D, introduce new ideas and theories which the NASA people take seriously and look at taking their ideas and work away from them or they hire them as consultants (Search Hutchinson Effect), work with them and we have members of the public who attack them not knowing they are attracting attention from NASA, sheeple say no, NASA wants to learn more.
The main problem in society is that there are members who seem to think they are intelligent and informed when in fact they simple, ignorant and apt to believe anything that those who mold their beliefs on historic fact, science and so forth are telling them the truth.
Nothing could be further from the truth as government and their agencies are not about the people but about control. power and industry.
All the BS that people argue about and fight about is simply there and created to allow those who wish to enslave and exploit people the opportunity to do as such.
Did the Illuminati/NAZI's land on the moon, NO! Definitely not.
Did the majority of the people buy it, YES, they are ignorant and believe what they are told to believe.
There is enough evidence and testimony and so forth to put this to rest but it would not sit well with the sheeple so they have to say that the Freemasons and the Illuminati did land on the moon and Stanley Kubick was kind enough to tag along and direct the filming and produce the event from outer space. Wake Up Sheep, your wool is over your eyes. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/7/2007 11:39:36 AM |
Just watch this video by Fox TV: Did We Land On The Moon
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1138935117048624484
Do we have to believe a-ha and moby went on the Moon because we saw them doing in their music video's (with much better quality video than the Apollo Moon Hoax).
Fox also showed an alien autopsy. Do you believe that too? That was a hoax and so is the perpetuation of trying to say that a real event that happened is a hoax. The hoax is the belief that it is a hoax. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/7/2007 7:15:04 PM | very convicing video from fox, but im very open minded.
the flag is very very convicing, how can a flag move when there is no air to move it, it would go stiff. Im not from america so i dont have any patriotic pride of your countrie. But i like the fact that we did landed on the moon | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/7/2007 8:14:03 PM | | The flag can EASILY be explained. Try to plant a flag pole in your backyard. Notice the vibrations? On the moon, friction and gravity are so low that the vibrations of planting the flag pole in the ground alone would be enough to wave the flag for a long period of time. Simply physics. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/7/2007 9:27:17 PM | "the flag is very very convicing, how can a flag move when there is no air to move it, ..."
Actually, if you look closely...you just might notice there's an astronaut attached to the flag! See how it move about while he's trying to plant it in the surface? Gee, I wonder if THAT could be causing the flag to wave?
Good lord!! If that's the level of argument that the conspiracy theorists are working with, then it's clearly CASE CLOSED!! How thick would a person have to be to take that footage as a clue to a conspiracy?!? (Oh, by the way, has anyone mentioned the wire that was used to keep the flag unfurled in the vacuum...on the moon's surface?)
This entire thread reminds me of that old X-Files joke:
Mulder: "Why did the chicken cross the road."
Skinner: "There was no chicken, Mulder!!" | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/7/2007 10:44:20 PM | There is also a wire in the top of the flag, they knew there wasn't air to keep it upright.
You know if you guys went to any of the links provided, you'd see that this crap has already been debunked, we landed on the moon. I'm sorry, deal with it. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/8/2007 3:40:35 AM | the flag is very very convicing, how can a flag move when there is no air to move it, it would go stiff
You think if they were faking this they would do it outside with the wind blowing? They would do it indoors in a windless studio. DUH! | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/8/2007 5:17:37 AM | | well i just cant see that air on the moon can move it, nor would vibrations. Look how it moves in the video, also it would be frezzing cold. The tempertures dropped over 250 below zero celcius and over 250 celcius within the sunlight. Just look at the documentrey and keep you mind open, at th end they make some very important observations. Such as the same backdrop from two different landings but they claim its different and it was forty miles away. Yet when you overlap the two films they fit perfectly together and guess what all the rocks are there that was in the other shot. There are a number of places which was shot in one of them that was in all of the footage, and they claimed they never landed on the same part of the moon.hmmm | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/8/2007 5:22:15 AM |
well i just cant see that air on the moon can move it, nor would vibrations. Look how it moves in the video, also it would be frezzing cold. The tempertures dropped over 250 below zero celcius and over 250 celcius within the sunlight. Just look at the documentrey and keep you mind open, at th end they make some very important observations. Such as the same backdrop from two different landings but they claim its different and it was forty miles away. Yet when you overlap the two films they fit perfectly together and guess what all the rocks are there that was in the other shot. There are a number of places which was shot in one of them that was in all of the footage, and they claimed they never landed on the same part of the moon.hmmm
The vibrations are from the guy screwing the pole into the ground. I don't think you're thinking this through. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/8/2007 8:18:49 AM | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xUGRngAhBI
I believe this speaks volumes about the integrity of the mission and those involved at the top. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/8/2007 11:36:52 AM | | Thats right, ignore the explanations and reality, focus on conspiracy videos. Don't want to actually look at this objectively do we? | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/8/2007 2:55:49 PM | I don't believe everything my government says; but that don't mean I'm going to buy every conspiracy theory I see. I will say I believe the US government on the moon issue.
People who think otherwise can think what they want; I don't really care to convince them otherwise. I mean really...who cares? How does the issue effect our daily life one way or the other? | |
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