| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/8/2007 6:42:04 PM | "well i just cant see that air on the moon can move it, nor would vibrations. Look how it moves in the video,..."
...Look how the astronaut moves it! Do you suppose his exertions could have anything to do with the flag's movement? hmmmm? **sigh**....
"...also it would be frezzing cold. The tempertures dropped over 250 below zero celcius and over 250 celcius within the sunlight. "
Correct.. .and your point?....
"Just look at the documentrey and keep you mind open, "
...but not "open" to the point where all common sense leaks out.
"at th end they make some very important observations. "
Yes. "Important"...in that they clearly expose how far-fetched this 'conspiracy' theory really is.
"Such as the same backdrop from two different landings but they claim its different and it was forty miles away"
Any idea what the surface of the moon is like? Not a lot of variety within fairly large areas.
Really, from the tone of some of the posts, if people were paid to be fools, there would be a lot of very rich people here. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/8/2007 7:01:15 PM |
well i just cant see that air on the moon can move it, nor would vibrations. Look how it moves in the video, also it would be frezzing cold.
Ther is no air on the moon. Its a complete vacuum up there. | |
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Mr H2O
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/8/2007 7:34:39 PM | Look at YouTube video from NASA of dropping a hammer and feather on the moon.
They can fall at the exact same rate because of the lack of atmosphere.
Only 12 men have walked the still and dusty surface of the moon.
Twice in 1969 (Apollos 11 & 12).
Twice in 1971 (Apollos 14 & 15).
Twice in 1972 (Apollos 16 & 17).
In each case, a 3-man crew was sent to the Moon,
two of whom landed, whilst the third remained on the mother ship
in orbit around the Moon.
The twelve who landed on the Moon were:
Apollo 11 [July 20, 1969]:
[1] Neil Armstrong
[2] Buzz Aldrin
Apollo 12 [November 19-20, 1969]:
[3] Pete Conrad
[4] Alan Bean
Apollo 14 [February 5-6, 1971]:
[5] Alan Shepard
[6] Edgar Mitchell
Apollo 15 [July 31–August 2, 1971]:
[7] David Scott
[8] James Irwin
Apollo 16 [April 21-23, 1972]:
[9] John W. Young
[10] Charles Duke
Apollo 17 [December 11-14, 1972]:
[11] Eugene Cernan
[12] Harrison Schmitt
Now people want to go back to the moon to mine Helium 3 for nuclear fusion research.
3He is a primordial substance in the Earth's mantle,
entrapped within the Earth during planetary formation. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/9/2007 4:45:59 AM | Wow, people are really naive. There is no way to keep this kind of conspiracy under wraps involving so many people. People talk. They go home and tell their wives secrets they're not supposed to share, they become disgruntled later in life, it just doesn't work. A lot of military personel would have had to be included in this hoax. Keeping secrets when there's been a cover up in the military is really difficult, the more people involved the harder it becomes to hide the truth. Virtually impossible. There's also a financial incentive to blow the lid off the hoax. The soviet union is no longer a threat and the political advantage of being first to the moon has long since expired, what would stop an astronaut or a couple of engineers from cashing in with a multimillion dollar book deal?
I'm ex military and I was a witness to an incident that the command I was attached to would have dearly liked to cover up. In under 4 hours there were quotes from wives and military personel in the local papers and the details were being broadcast on local tv. The military just isn't that efficient at covering things up. Pat Tilman's death is a perfect example. Friendly fire casualties are a fact of life in the military. Some reports put the incidence as high as 10% of our casualties are the results of friendly fire but it's not a pretty statistic so it doesn't get a lot of press. My guess is it's about 2% but that's still 1 person in every 50 who is killed or wounded is injured by our own side. Only because Pat Tilman was previously famous and therefore seen as heroic is this a big issue. The point being, the army tried to cover something up that involved a relatively small number of people and they couldn't get a handle on it. That's reality.
The lunar lander burn was visible from earth on large telescopes, which means we must have sent a space craft to the proximity of the moon at the exact time we were "faking" being there?
there's a website that destroys the fox video point by point with hard science:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
I've met two astronauts and built their personal websites, they think it's ridiculous to even pretend you could keep this kind of secret for so long. One of them was not an apollo astronaut but he was a veteran of 3-4 shuttle flights, and he had hard facts to dispute any of the silly claims being made on the fox show.
There's a lot of hard science to suggest the dose of radiation from the van ryan radiation belts is only a moderate dose especially when considering duration of exposure and the shielding the space craft and suits would provide.
My father has patents for some parts on the lunar lander. Very expensive parts that really wouldn't be neccessary if the lander wasn't actually landing on the moon. I guess that could be part of the conspiracy but a large waste of money when no one would really be able to discern if a certain part was never made because no one keeps records of what wasn't done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xUGRngAhBI
I believe this speaks volumes about the integrity of the mission and those involved at the top. this is just crazy fluff. at one point she(the narrator) suggests that turning off the lights in the spaceship in order to decrease reflected light on the window is a "conspiracy". LOL a conspiracy to get a better picture? She also points out there's a voice that says [talk] on the tape and then one of the astronauts suddenly responds. She blames the delay on the astronauts being so busy purpotrating the hoax they're not paying attention. Talk about creative imagination. The voice is one of the other astronauts saying [talk] because they were probably looking at each other trying to decide who should respond and the delay is the lag based upon the time it takes radio waves to travel half way to the moon and back.
There are laser reflectors on the moon that the military and scientists use in the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment. How did they get there? They've been there suspiciously since the Apollo missions(11, 14, 15) were supposed to have reached the moon. There are 3 sets we put up there in three different locations, (not surprisingly those locations coincide with three different lunar landings) The soviets also placed arrays with their unamanned probes though one of theirs failed to be set properly and never returned a response. It's possible that the arrays were set by unmanned probes but since we're 3 for 3 with our arrays (they're all still returning signals) and the soviets were 1 for 2 with theirs it might lend some credibility to the fact we had people setting ours up. It's no small matter to set something up correctly on the moon using 1970 technology without human intervention.
It scares me to think people could so adamantly believe this is a hoax when so much credible information is available to dispute the psuedo facts the non believers cling to.
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 8/9/2007 3:42:59 PM | | Very well said, fun-in-th-sun!!!! So many people are willing to think that it never happened it IS scary! Makes me wonder how they are able to make an informed decision on their own on something that is important in their lives. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/18/2007 7:36:42 PM | I met a girl online a few years ago and we talked and agreed to meet up for dinner and drinks. At dinner this topic came up about the lunar landings and she said how it was all faked and how that even the shuttle launches today are faked. On and on she went about this crap. She kept telling me how crazy I was for believing we went to the moon and how I believe that we do in fact launch the space shuttle. Blah blah blah, she just wouldn't shut up about it. I tried to politely change the subject and even said maybe we shouldn't talke about this and just enjoy our dinner. But NO! On and on she went.
I got up and left! She was in mid sentence and I got up walked up to the waiter and asked what the total was, he told me and I paid more than half of it and tipped him and said that beeotch is nuts! And walked out.
Yes we landed on the moon. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/18/2007 8:49:46 PM | why has a spaceshuttle never left the earth with humans on and flew round the moon
is it because they are allready there on the far side mining away making secret bases the other day i was watching the moon through a telescope and i am sure giant clouds of smoke was coming off the surface hahahahaha
http://landoflegends.us/43ancients/02files/Moon_Images.html#MENU
and read about all the anomalies found in moon images | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/18/2007 9:05:50 PM | I'm still waiting for the retards...erm, I meant 'moon landing hoax supporters' to explain the reflectors on the moon's surface that reflect laser light so astronomers can track the moon's distance from Earth regularily.
Maybe someone just threw them really hard so they landed up there exactly where they needed to be... | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/19/2007 12:54:45 AM | Personally I am just happy that they made them so small so that we can not see them from earth. But of course, you have seen them I am sure.
Its that darn radiation belt that has got me stumped but the technology of the 60's certainly was and certainly is far more superior then the technology of today.
I have to say those astronauts of old were sure more powerful men to pass through that belt, it amazes me still today as it does for millions and millions of people around the world, even the astronauts who ventured near where the belt starts could not stand it, even a few minutes was to much, and the astronaunts passed through the belt for howlong? That is a long ride in such horrendous conditions and with very sleek protection, mainly aluminum I am told.
It is certainly to bad that they lost the secret recipe for the space craft and the radiation repellent or we could have gone back again, maybe made it a weekly series, but then again, we got that anyway through a few new shows that NASA an space, Hollywood in space, wow, how ever would of thought.
But good news old chum, I hear they are considering some new films, likely have the reflectors on the moon's surface for you to see up close, you'll love it.
Also like to point out to any skeptics and this is no coincidence, they have another set of lunar reflectors out at Area 51 somewhere, the same make and everything, you should check them out as they are proof they are telling the truth, you can't see the earth reflectors from the moon either and we know they are here, so they must be on the moon as well, I think that tells the world the truth and its enough for many sheople to accept it as truth hey!
Yep, those impossible to see from earth reflectors on the moon's surface sure did it for a lot a people, the proof positive for many millions.
Hey, want to buy a bridge or maybe some land in Florida? | |
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Mr H2O
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Joined: 10/31/2006
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/19/2007 1:16:28 AM | Maybe all those non- believers should talk with some astronauts
face-to- face at the many public speeches they often do .
Something tells me those idiots never get off their ass to visit a museum,
go to a speech from a dignitary, actually attend a class at a higher learning institution,
--they just sit plastered to a screen watching YouTube and smoking pot.
I might let you pick up my garbage off the curb, but I fear you're hardly qualified
even to do that job because you might miss the toss into the garbage truck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name
Here is the list just from one state - Michigan :
Michael J. Bloomfield Flint (considers Fenton his hometown) 1959
Roger B. Chaffee Grand Rapids 1935-1967
Gregory B. Jarvis
(Payload Specialist) Detroit 1944-1986
Brent W. Jett, Jr. Pontiac (considers Fort Lauderdale, FL, his hometown) 1958
David C. Leestma Muskegon 1949
Jerry M. Linenger Eastpointe (East Detroit) 1955
Jack R. Lousma Grand Rapids 1936
Donald R. McMonagle Flint 1952
Richard A. Searfoss Mt. Clemens (considers Portsmouth, NH, his hometown) 1956
Brewster H. Shaw, Jr. Cass City 1945
Alfred M. Worden Jackson 1932
If you got the balls, ring their doorbell and tell them to their face
they are all a bunch of liers, cheats and assholes for deceiving the public.
Go post that video clip on the internet if you have the guts.
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/19/2007 1:52:06 AM | James Van Allen himself, the guy who discovered the Van Allen Belt, in fact stated that it would not impede space travel. To put it simply, the Astronauts didn't spend enough time in the Van Allen belt to build up harmful levels of radiation.
If you actually did any reading of scientific info rather than relying on youtube for your world views you should know that. Protected by 3mm of alluminum a person would recieve 6 Rems a day from radiation. It takes 50-100 rads before a person even gets mildly sick. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/19/2007 12:50:51 PM | | Charles Thank You, thats the Scientist I was trying to remember. I saw a documentary recently where they interviewed him and how perplexed he was with the kook crowd misquoting him. I mean really it's far scaier to think these kooks relie on youtube commercials as their fact finding base, than to even imagine we faked a moon landing to with the cold war. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/19/2007 4:20:33 PM |
James Van Allen himself, the guy who discovered the Van Allen Belt, in fact stated that it would not impede space travel. To put it simply, the Astronauts didn't spend enough time in the Van Allen belt to build up harmful levels of radiation.
If you actually did any reading of scientific info rather than relying on youtube for your world views you should know that. Protected by 3mm of alluminum a person would recieve 6 Rems a day from radiation. It takes 50-100 rads before a person even gets mildly sick.
Since when does evidence and facts apply to conspiracy theorists? | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/19/2007 4:49:55 PM | | Do you think it would be possible to fake a globaly publicised Lunar Landing to people who use telescopes ,like Astronomers ? There's a major observatory in Crimea (former CCCP/USSR) and Okayama Japan ,Greenwich and Herstmonceaux England,Haute Provence France,Radcliffe South Africa,Chile,Mt Stromlo and Siding Spring Australia,Tautenberg Germany. Do you think they weren't interested in seeing if the Americans were telling the truth ? I wasn't born yet when this was all happening. But, the first reports of any conspiracy or deception would have been published in news papers like the USSR's Pravda (Truth) during that time and Im sure English,French,Japanese,Chinese and Canadian people also aimed their telescopes at the sky and Moon. Unless they paid off the other countries including their rivals the USSR/CCCP to shut up. Im more incined to believe it happened. The reason they haven't gone back is because it's already been done. It would be like going through the car wash right after a car wash. Not a single person has gone back to the Moon because the previous missions were only exploratory/scientific. No foundations were laid for some kind of future Exodus to the Moon. Before this continent was colonised by mainly western Europeans;England,Spain,France & Holland it was first explored by the Vikings or Scandanavians;Swedish,Norweigan & Danish types. Actually the first westerner to record seeing a carribean island probably Jamaica or The Bahamas was an Irish monk named Saint Brendan who sailed to the Carribean in the 7th century. For perspective,we can compare the achievements of the American and Russian space exploration programs to The Vikings.But,I think it's more similar to St.Brendan's expeditions. They actually named a space probe Viking in the 1970's. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/19/2007 10:22:42 PM | "Humans on the moon! Oh puhlease!!!!"
Posted by yet another of the"If I wasn't there, then it didn't happen" squad. How sad to be so narrow-minded.
Having seen some of this member's other posts, it's painfully obvious that they're not worth the bother to even acknowledge.
The term "troll" comes to mind... | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/20/2007 8:34:32 AM |
I'm not sure. There was a fox documentary many years ago that went over all the inconsistencies
That guy was Bill Kaysing. He used to write for Paladin Press and Loompanics Unlimited back in the 1980's. His biggest book was about how to get and keep privacy in our modern society and if memory serves me correctly, he had a book out on the fakery of the Apollo moon missions.
His theories have not met with any degree of significance in the scientific community. Personally I have more belief that the government is witholding evidence of alien ship wreckage from Roswell than some sort of conspiracy that the missions to the moon were faked at Area 51 and other places. Come on! | |
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Mr H2O
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Joined: 10/31/2006
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/20/2007 9:28:43 AM | I feel sorry for the non-believers of the moon missions and want to amend my ways.
Please let me help people understand the universe as it actually is :
http://phoenicia.org/imgs/maps/pages/7fallearthworldmap.htm
Sarcasm has now been turned off to bring you your regularly scheduled broadcast. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/20/2007 9:48:13 AM | Wow! I can't even believe this thread exists! Well, ok yeah I do...
I've even heard the video shot by the Mars rover was taken in Arizona! People will believe that people will believe anything!
Kinda sucks NASA cut the funding on that one. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/20/2007 3:33:50 PM | In reply to msg 117. Does that mean that because NASA said so, it DID happen? Where you there?....Didn't think so! You tell me just why you think your opinions are more important or your views are more valid than anyone elses? This is a forum and i am entitled to my opinion like anyone else, if you don't like it...LOG OFF!!! If my posts are so "cr*p" as you imply, why have you just wasted "X" amount of time reading them?!! I haven't read your so i don't have a witty response to that....Only to say that i actually have better, more interesting things to do on here!....You know, like MEET people, go on dates, make friends, that kinda thing!!!
("Posted by yet another of the"If I wasn't there, then it didn't happen" squad. How sad to be so narrow-minded.
Having seen some of this member's other posts, it's painfully obvious that they're not worth the bother to even acknowledge.
The term "troll" comes to mind...")
NOW WHOSE THE NARROW MINDED ONE! GET A LIFE MATE....THEN YOU NEVER KNOW, SOMEONE MIGHT ACTUALLY FANCY YOU!  | |
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Mr H2O
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/20/2007 3:51:59 PM | | In reply to mesage 121: Why is that people believe that an actual event was a hoax? The hoax is the belief that an actual event was a hoax. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/20/2007 4:03:57 PM | | ^^^There is overwhelming evidence it was a hoax. I know it must be hard to believe that members of your own country have been lying to you for 37 years....But as you wasn't there then you have to accept that it's a distinct possibility. Everyone on here knows everything about everything....or at least they THINK they do. How very convenient that the evidence they seek out as proof that we landed on the moon is fact. Yet all the evidence that states otherwise is disregarded as uneducated rubbish! The people who researched these findings are actually very educated and these are their findings not mine! I am just forming a personal opinion based on those findings....same as what everyone else is doing, seen as how none of you knows for sure! If you want someone to attack, attack the people who informed the public of their findings. Otherwise, reserve judgement and your nasty comments for someone who actually gives a damn!!! | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/20/2007 4:34:55 PM |
^^^There is overwhelming evidence it was a hoax. I know it must be hard to believe that members of your own country have been lying to you for 37 years....But as you wasn't there then you have to accept that it's a distinct possibility. Everyone on here knows everything about everything....or at least they THINK they do. How very convenient that the evidence they seek out as proof that we landed on the moon is fact. Yet all the evidence that states otherwise is disregarded as uneducated rubbish! The people who researched these findings are actually very educated and these are their findings not mine! I am just forming a personal opinion based on those findings....same as what everyone else is doing, seen as how none of you knows for sure! If you want someone to attack, attack the people who informed the public of their findings. Otherwise, reserve judgement and your nasty comments for someone who actually gives a damn!!!
If you actually read the thread, and had any evidence in establishing the truth of the matter, you'd see that your so called "evidence" has been demolished. | |
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| Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Posted: 9/20/2007 5:05:30 PM | ^^^Once again it is just the word of others.....It is----> ONE PERSONS WORD AGAINST ANOTHER!!! So until you or somebody else actually goes to the moon and shows some valid "proof" as you call it, then i reserve the right to have my own opinion on the matter, okay!!!  | |
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