| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/25/2007 5:20:19 AM | OP....I totally sympathize with you.....as some of my pof friends know.....my daughter and her roommate barely escaped with thier lives a lil over a month ago....and even thou thier attacker is still at large when attacks like this hits so close to home.....it has monumental effects on everyone....
I say good for the Media for exposing this one.......I had to get on the local media case in Orillia to publish the facts........The head quarters of the OPP.....really messed up....and continue to do so.....when the local media picked up the story, they interviewed my daughter and got the facts.....which were
They were sleeping all of them in thier beds....daughter and her boyfriend on the top level and roomie in the basement bedroom, thankfully I had her 3 year old baby who was not in the house....when the attacker entered the locked house thru a window which was left open to allow a bit of a breeze.....the window was not on ground level....but this guy managed to get it open in the kitchen...go to the basement and stab the roomie 13 times 3 in the neck 2 in the head and the rest in upper back.....while she was asleep she only remembers feeling the first blow.......and yes this brave 20 year old girl waited till he left her for dead.....and went upstairs calling 911 telling them someone was in the house.....and to get someone over quickly as she was going to check on her roommate.....
She managed to make it up the second flight of stairs.....when she seen him in the babys bedroom........he must of been in shock to see she was alive.......and when she started screaming he bolted by her and ran out the front door......my daughter and her boyfriend had no idea what had just went on.....and when they turned the lights on all they seen was blood pouring out of the roomate...911 was called.....and the police were there almost immediately...they had helicopters.....dogs.....militia even.....keep in mind this is the home of the OPP...and the OPP academy....everyone was apparently called in.....NOTHING WAS TURNED UP....NOTHING.......but how much comfort can we have when they ........had evidence that still baffles my mind on why they took no samples........You see it seems this *+++ went down...stairs.......thought he killed the roomie....then upstairs on the main floor and shit and pissed himself in the middle of thier living room floor....went thru my daughters purse...emptied out her cash and id.....threw it all over the floor near the soiled area.....took nothing and went to find more victims...BUT get this.......the POLICE.....never took a sample....of the urine or the feces.....they kept everyone in the police cruiser for 4 1/2 hrs...and walked around this mess....but when later questioned why they did not take a sample they said initially we watch too much tv.....then 2 days later said OH we thought you had a rather large dog.........THEY DONT OWN A DOG...and u think after that amount of time they would of heard or seen an animal in the house or at least ASKED if they owned an animal....OMG.......for sure they should of owned one..........it might of scared him off........
There really is so much more to this story....but I could go on and and on....these 3 peoples lives are so messed up right now........it is all good for everyone to say, get tough, keep moving forward....dont let fear stop you from living.....but between you and me........MUCH EASIER SAID THAN DONE at times......I pray they will get through this.....and life will become somewhat normal, but it has been over a month now....and my lil girl.....is no where close to getting on.....even though she is in counselling it is a process....and I do have faith that she will get through it one day....probably sooner than the police will ever catch him...but we lock our doors all of the time....NOW.....and are much more aware of ALL our surroundings, it is a horrible way to live....but neccessary for now...
I am very proud of her for talking to the media.....although the OPP totally reemed her out for doing so....but up till then the media had called this a break and enter with non life threatening incidents.....would you or your neighbours lock your doors if you heard about it that way.......or this way.......HOME INVASION.....Woman Stabbed 13 times...random act.....NO one knows the attacker.....and the girls are not into drugs or drinking even...the house had been vacant for a year....and they had only moved in within a week.....it was right in a nice lil neighbourhood.....good reputation....and middle of the street.......In other words.......it can and does happen everywhere....and can happen to you and me........when it hits this close to home.....like someone says....get the family and friends close....and lean on each other...talk about it, try and let the fear not cripple you....and stay safe... | |
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/25/2007 9:28:01 AM | This is why i don't watch the news. Turns people crazy and paranoid.
I'm from Toronto and hear about this shit all the time. Never seen it but i've heard about murders close by to my area and whats one to do ? I'm not gonna live in fear and hermit myself and afraid of my own shadow. Most murderers and stuff have a hit list and know exactly who they're after. Sometimes innocent people get caught between the cross fire of the attack but most times when someone breaks into your car or home, murders someone. There's a reason and those people had a connection. If you mind your own business and do your thing nobody is gonna bother you.
I know most will be saying "Lisa....blah blah blah.
Hey I've been living in a rough area for 16 years and kept to myself and never been bothered. Most killings i hear about are connected. | |
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/25/2007 10:09:26 AM | portuguese_mommie, I've lived in a rough town growing up. Murders, rapes, hard drugs (coke), mafia, & bike gangs... We were only 9000 people in this town too...
Do I look dead?? hehe nope, not at all... I behaved & was usually left alone.
Now I live in Malton on Goreway.. thats an interesting area!! Last year there was 6 murder right behind my complex & the unit I'm staying in right now.. a guy crawled to the door looking for help, but no one was home, so when the home owners came back, they found his bloody body on their door step... That guy was in the wrong place at the wrong time.. the other 5 or so were all gang members, so theres that "Connection"...
I don't live in fear, I'm smart. I stay off the path at night... If I want to go to a friends place (same complex), they usualy walk to my place & we walk together to their place (my friends are guys, so they have little to worry about).. Or I stay on the phone with them for the whole walk... I'm not scared, just being smart :)
Living in fear is stupid. One reason I don't have a tv.. News is twisted to put people into fear.. I'll read fark where I can get news & get a good laugh at the same time.  | |
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/25/2007 10:17:14 AM | I am not trying to stir the pot. But, I am sure after 911- many people had the same fear as you. However, they are got up the next morning and tried to carry on-as sanely as possible. I connection with your own fears. Many would appreciate and understand they are based on fact and therefore are very real to you. Aside from talking it out with a prof- just, try to obtain some faith in morality amongst the masses.
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/25/2007 2:54:13 PM | to the OP.......i'm glad you shared your feelings with us.....that was very brave
just remember no matter what anyone else has to say.......everyone deals with trauma quite differently and you are entitled to feel the way you do. you made a step in the right direction and that is acknowledging your fears. do the best you can to keep yourself safe and be vigilant about your surroundings and people around you. you'll find that you'll settle down after a while
my heart goes out to anyone who has experienced violence or know someone who has. let's hope this makes us stronger
be safe no matter where you are | |
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/25/2007 5:25:06 PM |
I just do not see where I would allow something like this to run my life, and living in fear of going outside your own home is letting it control you!
That is arrogance and ignorance at it's best. I can just imagine having that attitude of such bravado if you ever crossed paths with this armed and dangerous man... you'd probably shit your pants and start crying for mercy.
In small communities crimes like murder are not common ocurrences. I lived in a farming community and the thought of locking things up and remaining in your house is so opposite to their normal way of life over the years (most often, decades). This is very stressful for people who live in small communities... live in a farming community and you will see there is an entirely different way of life and an entirely different sense of values from those in cities - it's better.
Elderly people feel intimidated, vulnerable and helpless when facing the prospect of crossing paths with a person who committed three homicides. Just because city dwellers are use to that kind of thing it doesn't mean it is a normal way of life and everyone else needs to deal with it as something normal.... that's f***ed up... you've been brainwashed and decensitised... it shows in the attitude of some posters.
To dismiss the fear of others who don't live expecting murders in their area is rather immature and indicative of how detached you really are becoming from what is normal. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2007 5:36:42 PM | | I also think the reason some people are as scared as they are is because hes allegedly started killing people now, not for any personal reason but as a means to evade arrest. For example, hes now wanted to murdering an elderly couple because he wanted to steal their car. That being said, with thoughts of him breaking into homes of strangers and killing them for no other reason than to help evade arrest, I can totally understand why people would be worried. This is not someone that just killed someone they know. Hes now on the run and killing people that are in his way. If he was running around loose in my community, yes I'd be scared too. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2007 9:20:57 PM | Thank you MI and Miss Ally! Finally two that make some honest sense! Today's paper detailed how the evidence has implicated this chap at the home of the two innocent elderly that he was suspected of killing. So he wanted their car...did he have to kill them to get it? I don't think so. And as was suggested earlier? He killed the first fellow for being on the receiving end of a bj and he was not gay? Well whoop de doo for him. Does that entitle/enable him to go off on a killing spree now? I don't think so. Imagine the family of the poor couple that he murdered and the grief they are going through? The OP as far as I am concerned has a good right to be afraid. Rumour has it he could be in London now. We all do our utmost best to take precautions against the unknown, but this boy is a "known and violent" person! Truly, I sincerely hope they catch him as it appears he is going for broke. And God I hope he kills no more innocents in his wake.
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/25/2007 9:44:09 PM | Yes I said that is why he killed him.
No time did I say it was a reason to kill anyone.
But I have said for OP to be safe with her family and friends.
It's apparent that he has gone crazy and will kill if he feels it will help him.
I can only pray they catch him before he hurts anyone else. | |
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/26/2007 9:46:29 AM | | Thank you for those you are so understanding about my fears...an yes I do live on the out skirts of a rather small community..yes I know many murders an such go on all over the place an I sympathize an worry of those who deal with it on a daily bases..I how ever till now hadn't had such things going on litterly in my own back yard..to my knowledge the police are still considering him to be in this area as it is where he feels most comfortable with the surroundings an yet must be feeling things closing in around him so they are concerned as to what he might do now...where I live all locks have been checked an changed if need be an chain locks as well are installed. | |
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/26/2007 11:54:16 AM | OP we had some of that feeling in Burlington when Bernardo was on the loose - I get what you are saying - however ya do have to move on and live safe but not in fear! It takes awhile to get rid of the fear but it will subside! | |
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Posted: 7/26/2007 12:39:59 PM | Ok I have to weigh in on this
1 I live in the community affected
2 My children knew the murdered couple
3 Hay Swamp is a place we play often off roading this is our home
Juggernaut This is not a big city where murder is common place it’s a small community where most people are related & or know each other. I have lived here 20 years this is the second murder in all that time
DivineBovine again small community you big city folk would not understand we are not strangers who won’t speak to each other in elevators, everyone knows everyone here
Kobestar backbone? What would a city dweller know about isolation? The nearest neighbor hopefully but not always a house just visible on the horizon. People die around here due to isolation. When something goes bad out here you are alone.
Mae B he isn’t gone he is staying because it is familiar area there is repeated evidence attesting to that
wileyc What is irrational about being aware of the danger of being in a secluded environment, when a dangerous person is also looking for shelter in same place?
12 Strike yes we all die doesn’t mean we want to confront an armed murderer, survival is an instinct I’ll be $100 yer just another city folk who has no understanding of country life, and isolation
spun in you have a good point if he wants in to a farm house locks won’t stop him, dogs are definitely far better defense at this time
portuguese_mommie as you said you are from Toronto, wall to wall people and you sound typical of exactly what one would expect to find there. Desensitized to violence.
pangel Be alert and be wary, do not carry a weapon unless you are trained and prepared to use it. I would still keep doors locked the sound of breaking glass is a trigger for you to seek safety. Make a routine with neighbors to check in on each other at set intervals. Do not let the comments of the city folk upset you, they honestly do not understand and violence is common place for them they are desensitized and usually do not know or care about their neighbors they live in cities not communities and as such can not be expected to understand | |
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Posted: 7/26/2007 1:20:31 PM | BRAVO lady chicory, reading over the posts on this thread and seeing the location of each it is clear that people from the larger centres just don't get it.
What they need to realize is that us rural folk don't condone nor tolerate violence as them people do.
Our way of life is not having to lock our doors and walking at night without fear of being mugged or assaulted.
It's because of the attitudes of big city people that this crap takes place.
Op, there is no easy answer to your question, your community will pull closer together and look out for one another.
Last night they had a criminologist from U.W.O. on the news and his thoughts were that this mad dog would still be in the area and would stop at nothing to evade capture.
Until this ***hole is captured be aware and keep safe.
After he is apprehended your community will start the healing process.
As someone posted this whole murdering spree started because a guy had sex with him.
Shows how smart he is, when he is caught and sent to prison for life, the only sex he'll have is with other guys.
If he is aware of this, he'll be even more dangerous. | |
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/26/2007 1:42:25 PM | ^^^^
first of all, i dont think this is a rural people/city folk thing
lets keep the focus where it belongs and not insult others in the process
for the record, i live in a big city and anyone looking in this thread can clearly see i am not making light of the topic - that being said, i'm not happy with a few of the above statements
anyway, for those of you that are making light of it...
all i have to say is, how often is it that YOU have someone running around your neighbourhood killing strangers - its my opinion most murderers know their victims.
Jesse Imeson is suspected of killing strangers in an attempt to evade authorities
not only that... but how often do you have people running loose that are wanted on Americas Most Wanted - so come on, pls stop poo pooing it. If you dont want to take it seriously, so be it, but dont insult those that choose to.
http://www.amw.com/
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=47071 | |
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/26/2007 3:39:53 PM | I think the point everyone is missing is that we take chances with our lives everyday. The chances of you being killed in a traffic accident are probably 1000 times greater than being murdered in this country. Yet we find getting in a car and driving to be an acceptable risk and most of us drive everyday without worry or a second thought!
So to the OP, I know it is a shocking thing to have happen close to your home and community but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Really, what are the odds of it happening to you? | |
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/26/2007 5:53:04 PM |
So to the OP, I know it is a shocking thing to have happen close to your home and community but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Really, what are the odds of it happening to you?
That's an unwise question. I could surmise, from your statement, you feel those three murder victims of his understood they had (at the least) even odds of being murdered.
For the life of me, I don't understand the ignorance of some statements. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2007 6:26:12 PM | Stop watching the gloom and doom news.. Or you would be to afraid to do anything.. The percentage of crime is the same as when we were kids but we think it is worse because of the news... The Sky is Falling.. Don't let your kids out of your sight or they will be abducted... Almost all abductions are done by someone known to the child..
Stop watching/reading News and you will be a happier person.. Do you really need to know about some horrible crime that happened on the other side of the world.. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2007 7:56:07 PM | Did these people not get killed in their home? The odds are higher getting hit by a car.
Don't let fear and speculation rule your life. I live in an area full of correctional institutions. They escape but it isn't you they are angry at. As a child I remember 14 escaped. One caught just below the hill where we lived. We made some safety rules... ie no one to the barn alone, in the yard by 10 but otherwise life as usual. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2007 8:13:18 PM |
Stop watching/reading News and you will be a happier person.. Do you really need to know about some horrible crime that happened on the other side of the world.
Wearing blinders is a good way to live (sarcasm)
Keep in mind... as far as they all know, there is a killer on the loose in their community. I guess they don't need to know that because, quite frankly, that is doom and gloom.
I'm going to stop watching the news and watch "The Simpson's" reruns at 6:00pm every night, instead.
Thanks for such great advice (sarcasm #2) | |
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/26/2007 8:15:52 PM | This person comes from a very small town.
He did his deed in a city about 30 miles from home.
So no matter where you live, please be safe.
He is doing what he needs to get where ever he thinks he can hide.
Let's only hope the only thing he gets is a bullet in the knee from the police so he is stopped, I hope they don't kill him, so he get's to spend the rest of his disgusting life in jail,, remembering the eyes of the elderly people as he took their lives.
I don't want him dead, I want him to live everyday watching his back and what may come to him.
Live in fear till he dies!!!
What a coward it takes to kill elderly people!!!! | |
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Posted: 7/26/2007 9:16:45 PM | Dgmac your profile states you are from Hamilton good grief there is apartment complexes in Hamilton larger then the community we are discussing here
goaliebns this is not doom and gloom news broad casts this is the local post office where we get our mail this is the coffee shop, where our community gathers every morning. These are issues large city dwellers do not understand. This is not a city, it is a rural community, empathis on the word community.
ktlnow your point is dead on, you can’t stop living but need to be vigilant
and as miss_allison pointed out this person is on the most wanted list
Ioves2smile, agreed it was a cowardly act people do horrible things when they are desperate and this boy definately is desperate, and that is what makes him so dangerous
I see alot of misunderstanding between the cultural differnces, urban and rural. Let me try to shed some light.
When I moved to this community 20 years ago there was only 76 houses, you literally know everyone in the community. In fact most people are linked though family ties or friendships, you see each other daily getting mail, getting groceries, at church. We are not talking about random strangers but one of our own.
I see replies here from city folk who live a different life style. How many of your neighbours do you honestly know? How many know you by name, your children’s names, or your dogs name? How many have plowed your lane because they were already out and knew you were busy in barn with livestock. In rural areas community can mean the difference between life and death more often the city folk realize.
This doesn’t make either wrong just sad that so many lack the ability to empathis and see things from a vastly different perspective. Put yerself into a small close knit group then kill off 2 of the group and say and who knows perhaps more will die perhaps they won’t. Will you really be ok with that?
In rural communities we do not say what if they come to my house, we say has anyone looked in on Aunt May, what about Ed he didn’t make coffee this morning better look in on him. We do this year round Aunt May might have fallen and Ed might have rolled his tractor, that is farming. We have lost 2 pillars of our local society but we will continue to be exactly who we already are, a kinship. I feel sorry for those city folk who don’t have that.
One last thought we are talking about a farming community, did you eat today? If you did it was because of a farmer, they accepted this different and often challenging lifestyle so that you can eat. How about a lil moral support here in a time of trial. | |
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/26/2007 10:52:43 PM | The lady asked for advice, not to be attacked, what a bunch!
Have a network in place where you call each other at a set time in the day and if it would make you feel better ask a firend if either they can come stay with you or if you can stay with them.
Get motion sensor lights if possible and here's a good trick, tape dogs barking.
Anyone comes close to the house turn on the tape or disc. This should scare off a person.
Get a cell phone, pay as you go if you can, and have 911 on speed dial. Keep it with you at all times. | |
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/27/2007 4:35:06 AM |
Keep in mind... as far as they all know, there is a killer on the loose in their community. I guess they don't need to know that because, quite frankly, that is doom and gloom. .
I live in a small town although it is getting bigger and we had a murder years ago.. It was someone related to the killer like almost all murders are . We heard about that without obsessing about it like some Ghouls.. Oh this is terrible let's see and read more about it.. The News Media are a bunch of ambulance chasers. Nah not the Simpsons, you probably like the Sopranos lot's of killing in that for you.
Point is, you hear about it, just continue to be smart about what you do, same rules you would follow if you didn't know there was a killer in their community ( of course whose to say he is still there). Or you hide in your house as there could be a brand new killer everywhere. They have to start with someone and it must be you..
Ya right, better chance to be in a car accident.. Ok don't drive.. OOpps you might get hurt waiting at a bus stop.. Hide in your house, now that is a good way to live.. If you were attacked by the guy then you have a reason to be upset like was mentioned by someone else here. I can see them being greatly affected for the rest of their life. But to just live in the same community and hear about it.
Buck up and move on. What other option do you have. Do you want to wreck you whole life with something that didn't even happen to you | |
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/27/2007 7:45:55 AM | 'That's an unwise question. I could surmise, from your statement, you feel those three murder victims of his understood they had (at the least) even odds of being murdered.'
Not at all, why would you assume that when it is not what i said
'For the life of me, I don't understand the ignorance of some statements.'
Obviously you cant read. So I will repeat it.
As i said in my post. We have a far, far greater chance of being killed in a car accident or a plane crash. We don't sit and worry about those things. We continue on about our lives without fearing automobiles. No one sits home worrying about whether or not they will die in a car crash tomorrow. At least no one I know does. Why worry about something that is statistically remote? | |
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| Prisoner in one's own home
Posted: 7/27/2007 10:25:35 AM | Hi all!
From what I am reading here, a lot pf the posters just don't understand the situation here - what is happening to the OP is happening right now. The guy appears to be on a random spree, and it is at police advice that everyone is in their homes with the doors locked and are taking all of these precautions.
My advice to the OP is just go along with what the police are telling you to do, locking doors, etc., for now, set up your regular family and friends calling list, checking in on each other at specific times, get the cell phone one poster advised, if they work in your area and you do not yet have one. Take all of the precautions you can, such as if you are walking your dog tell someone when you are leaving, and about how long you think you will be, and call them when you get back to check in. Establish the temporary routines and then try to slow down on the amount of time you spend actually worrying about it, easier said than done I know. This is a situation that you can do nothing about, other than take all of the sensible precautions you can. And be very aware of your surroundings - if you see anything at all suspicious leave the area, just in case, then report it to the police, or at least tell someone else about it right away. If you are shy about reporting things, talk it over with someone else before you do it, but remember it is the little things that trip up most criminals so nothing strange or unusual in your environment is too small to report. Living in your situation (small rural town) makes it easier to spot anything out of place.
What you are feeling is quite normal, and your will not be able to start the "getting over it" process until this guy is either caught, or proven to be far far away, but in the meantime take all the sensible precautions you can and continue to live your life as normally as you can under the circumstances.
OP, If you would like to email me privately to talk about it further, please feel free. | |
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