Sinnn
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/4/2009 1:49:43 PM | Sorry if this offends or depresses anyone but it's really all about looks, and looks are very tied to age.
Even guys who are interested in 'who' a woman is, still care VERY much how she looks as well. And as we all know, most men are interested only in looks, especially at first. Men don't ask out women they don't find attractive. And no matter how you spin it, wrinkles are not attractive.
I can tell you from personal experience, until I was about 27 or 28, I got asked out all the time buy nice looking guys, roughly my own age and a bit older.
But every year since I get asked out less and less, and by men older and grosser. Like, so old and gross it's insulting and hurts my self esteem.
So I've had to come to the unhappy realization that the OP's roomate is right. No guy worth having wants a girl over 30.
There is definitely some truth to this. Women can make up for aging by have a great personality and treating men well.
However, in personal experience, a lot of women in their 30s don't improve their attitudes and if anything actually become more demanding/controlling as they get older. Some of these women expect a great guy to chase them or kiss their asses even though they don't look like they used to look and don't treat men very well. | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/4/2009 8:07:11 PM |
However, in personal experience, a lot of women in their 30s don't improve their attitudes and if anything actually become more demanding/controlling as they get older. The hell you talking about? We tend to be more wiser with life experiences and selective about who we choose in our mates in a good way! | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/5/2009 12:54:55 PM | | I do not agree with that at all. There are quite a few guys over 30 that's worth having as a matter of fact I've dated some of them and they were very nice and respecful. I'm 74 and younger than my age and younger looking. i have guys every day e mailing me .So, women (some) over 30 or even 70 are not too old for dating. some guys had rather have an older lady because they're smarter and more mature!! | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/5/2009 2:09:36 PM |
The question is, is it a reasonable supposition that marketability, when you are female turns solely on an arbitrary chronological age? For me personally, I think it's a ridiculous idea. I find it hard to contemplate any person, with a modicum of intelligence dismissing outright any and all aspects of a person simply because they're turned 30.
Ok, I don't think anyone's exactly saying that women grow fangs and have an arm fall off on their 30th birthday...
A mathemetician would say age is indeed a continuous function rather than a discrete one, but on the other hand regular people do pay a lot of attention to nice round numbers with regard to lots of things (Dow Average = 10,000, for example) because life is simpler that way; even if it's not 100% precise, it captures the essence of what matters.
So this thread might have been better titled "Are women as marketable after age 30?", though I don't think it would have gone any differently if it had.
Here's something in this regard to think about, from MSN's Money Central, in an article about the online dating biz:
"...users lie about their age to show up in more search results, which is why there are eight times as many 29-year-old women than 30- to 34-year-old women on dating sites".
[http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/CollegeAndFamily/LoveAndMoney/10-things-dating-sites-wont-tell-you.aspx]
Those are some pretty big assumptions to make.
I don't think they're "assumptions" at all. To claim so is to try and discount their general veracity.
Lots of research has been done -- though one wonders why it had to be done in the first place -- establishing the tight correlation between female age and attractiveness. Sheesh, if it wasn't there, it wouldn't be the case that almost all cosmetics are sold to women (evidently rather successfully) with claims to being "age defying" or "guaranteed to give a more youthful appearance", to cite just one commonplace example. Is the correlation 100%? Of course not, but that doesn't mean it's not both there and important, or that other factors also don't count.
I'm surprised anyone would even argue the point. "Body image" and "having to live up to standards of beauty" and other issues surrounding attractiveness ("do these jeans make my butt look big?") are huge deals for an awful lot of women because that's central to how they get men. | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/5/2009 2:39:59 PM |
The hell you talking about? We tend to be more wiser with life experiences and selective about who we choose in our mates in a good way!
Women are are single and want to get married and have children generally become less attractive to men the further they get into their 30s. There are exceptions to the rule, but this is my own observation. | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/5/2009 2:46:59 PM | It depends on the woman, it shouldn't matter what her age. There are men out there that are interested in older women, remember the term "COUGARS". Yes, I have dated younger men, not bad. My brother married a woman 12 years older than he is.  | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/5/2009 3:10:50 PM | | No, women have it harder because a nice young 20 year old is softer on the eyes than a seasoned 30 something. Women in thier 30's have alot of drama and usually baby daddy drama. | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/5/2009 6:26:33 PM | Of course theyre still marketable but their market value plummets. Women are a depreciating asset.
While an old and ugly charismatic man that is financially successful can pull young hotties with ease, an old financially successful woman usually cannot pull young guys. Unfortunately, that's the way the ball bounces. | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/5/2009 6:31:56 PM |
However, in personal experience, a lot of women in their 30s don't improve their attitudes and if anything actually become more demanding/controlling as they get older. Some of these women expect a great guy to chase them or kiss their asses even though they don't look like they used to look and don't treat men very well.
Completely agree. It's almost like they have a chip on their shoulder and remain bitter about still being single. They hide this usually through stating how independent they are and how they don't need a man to be happy. These are all fronts to convince themselves that they are happy, its a natural defense mechanism which is perfectly fine. But its all complete BS | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/5/2009 6:57:56 PM | Hmmm. Well I agree most men are searching for younger. But lets be somewhat realistic about that too. You dont see young women marrying a older " ex truckie " or " marketing manager" Its VERY rich men. And they wouldnt touch them with a 10 foot pole if they werent.
Please show me the first young hottie model who met old poppa at the supermarket and hes on the pension at that age and woot woot we get to watch the wedding on tv 
Even a man of 37 chasing a 23 yr old is not being realistic at what the women really sees = a man 25 has 25 yrs working in front of him ( once a jobs lost after 50 few men will ever get another ) a man of 37 has 13 yrs of working if you see it this way.
So ummm rightio - the young womans going to work 3 jobs to support the kids the older man wanted, pay the mortgage and pay for poppy to sit home is she? As if they took a 25 yr mortgage today and he lost his job in 13 yrs at 50 - she has 12 yrs where she has to pay for the lot.
I wouldnt of touched a older man at 23 - 30 and I still wouldnt at my age above 5 yrs - if that means I stay alone - great - better that then poppy support in a few yrs. | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/5/2009 7:14:22 PM | Oh and before the delusional men jump in with some rubbish to run down older women...
Most men over 30 when they leave a relationship ( or are thrown out of it ) lost 75% of all they worked for - and also have to pay maitenance for up to 20 yrs. Even if the children are adults - theres 18ths, 21sts, weddings - their grand kiddys to buy for.
Theres little they have to put into a relationship - as i said we are talking real men not millionaires on the net seeking 24 yr olds
They are starting with the same and more overheads to support then a 26 yr old man. And they have around 13 yrs to work if 37 ( if that ) If they arnt top level in some company.
Show me a 50 yr old man still working In the bank or on the trucks ect - if they are they have been with the job yrs - and if they lose it - not much hope when they are competing with a 26 yr old at the time with the same skills.
Reality boys - wear some of it instead of always thinking your all that as you have a penis and you deserve girls young - as they DONT deserve to take on what little you have on the plate past around 35. | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/5/2009 8:16:51 PM | | thats the age we go on the market.... wtf??? are you nuts, the great thing about women, is the improve with age, in every way..... thats where cougars come in and thats why I am smiling | |
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Joined: 4/21/2009
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/5/2009 9:00:41 PM | | Well.....I am in my forties and let me tell you.....my non exhistant dating experiences are more in quatity then the dating experiences. I have found that because I work for the State of WA guys think I have tons of money or that I am rich. So the older guys often just go out with me thinking I can pay for everything. NOT! Most guys on POF want the skinny, 20 somethings even when they are in thier 50 and 60's. At least that is my experience so far. I am a size 10 -12 not bad for someone with two children that were over 9lbs each. So no I am not skinny but I am not that fat either. But guys tend to treat me as an old fat lady with no feelings. So are women Marketable after 30? Well I think you have some what of a chance at least better then those of us in our 40's or 50's. We may as well accept we are destined for a long lonely life with out a significant other. Becasue we are no longer marketable. Do we deserve love and to be cared for? Yes we do! But guys don't think so. They only want sex, to use you for what ever they can. Show me a guy who really gives a Sh!T and rides a sports bike and I will show you a guy who wants a 20 something gal not someone in thier 40's or 50's. | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/5/2009 9:51:26 PM | I don't think they're "assumptions" at all. To claim so is to try and discount their general veracity.
Lots of research has been done -- though one wonders why it had to be done in the first place -- establishing the tight correlation between female age and attractiveness. Sheesh, if it wasn't there, it wouldn't be the case that almost all cosmetics are sold to women (evidently rather successfully) with claims to being "age defying" or "guaranteed to give a more youthful appearance", to cite just one commonplace example. Is the correlation 100%? Of course not, but that doesn't mean it's not both there and important, or that other factors also don't count.
I'm surprised anyone would even argue the point. "Body image" and "having to live up to standards of beauty" and other issues surrounding attractiveness ("do these jeans make my butt look big?") are huge deals for an awful lot of women because that's central to how they get men.
Well, attractiveness certainly lingers due to (as colonelingus puts it) veracity.
Beauty being desirable is undeniable.
Academically speaking (as it doesn't directly correlate to my own preferences), everyone becomes less "attractive" due to the signs of deterioration.
Which would seem to logically indicate that as long as a woman's physical beauty remained, her beauty would retain the same value as it did when she was younger.
However, what I think is overlooked, is that while men might appreciate a woman's physical beauty very similarly, it's significance (value) might not be as important, as wisdom has taught us that physical beauty is nice, but that it's really not that significant to overall happiness, or even that it's taught us that, beauty is not all that it is cracked up to be.
Your mileage may vary....
To answer the OP, there's no lack of women who are very desirable way beyond their 30's. | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/5/2009 11:02:47 PM |
However, what I think is overlooked, is that while men might appreciate a woman's physical beauty very similarly, it's significance (value) might not be as important, as wisdom has taught us that physical beauty is nice, but that it's really not that significant to overall happiness, or even that it's taught us that, beauty is not all that it is cracked up to be.
Warren Farrell wrote about this very thing over twenty years ago, using the terminology "well integrated" to express the general concept of someone who has developed all (or many) aspects of their personality and is thus what some might call a "whole" or "balanced" person:
A man experiences a dilemma when he realizes that the most beautiful women have the least incentive to become well integrated people. He knows intellectually he should choose a well-integrated woman. But he feels torn between attractive women, and less attractive women, who have had more incentive to integrate. So he is caught between giving up his first and only condition for sex (attractiveness) and getting the condition met at the price of sacrificing the other areas in the woman.
Hence the common quip from men about wanting a 45 year-old mind in a 25 year-old body.
Which would seem to logically indicate that as long as a woman's physical beauty remained, her beauty would retain the same value as it did when she was younger.
Not quite true IMO, as with each year passing she has one less year left in her (finite) supply of attractive years. So the value diminishes even if the beauty itself doesn't so much. Of course this only matters to the extent one is thinking in longer terms, cause obviously in the short term it only matters how you look now. | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/6/2009 12:34:57 PM | I think the REAL purpose of this thread is simply to debase women as a whole, as many threads here do, so that some men can feel better about themselves - those who like reassuring themselves they are superior to women in order to falsely raise their own sense of self worth at woman's expense. Same subject, different tactic.
I don't know why people play into this game.
Thanks anyway to the guys on here that see the value in women of all ages, not just those looking to be baby making machines.
Shame on the women who put themselves down (not so many thankfully).
A woman who is of childbearing age and wants to have kids is more attractive to a man that also wishes to have kids - duh. Both of them are likely to be under 40 - closer to 30 most likely. That's the same for both sexes.
After a certain age (40) where men either already have kids or are fixed they no longer have anything to offer these women. My experience with men in my age group is almost all of them already have kids, don't want more, can't afford them, think it's too late now or can't have any.
So men in my age group and up cannot build long term relationships with women who want to have kids and neither can the women who don't want\can't have kids.
A man who is done fathering children is no more "marketable" than a woman in the same situation. That's most men somewhere from their late twenties and up. Most of those who don't have them by their late thirties probably won't, can't or shouldn't for various reasons.
That's just common sense.
Enough already... going on and on about how it's such a disadvantage being a women. Just to be clear, I have never ever in my life for a single moment wanted to be a man. Hope your ego's can handle that. This may amaze those of you who insist a womans lot in life is so much less than a mans but I absolutely love and am PROUD to be a woman. Go figure eh?
I take note of the guys who say so many women are damaged and cannot have good relationships with even nice guys. I think this is true. It's because of all the degrading crap they put up with like in this thread. Please discourage your bro's from being such ***holes - tell them to keep their superior ranting to themselves, tell them to keep their threads ike the one that said women were good for nothing but sex in the toilet where they belong and tell them to grow the fek up and treat women with dignity and respect. For that matter, how about treating YOURSELF with dignity and respect.
As a woman I personally don't think it's my job to convince men of this. I think it's MENS job to do that since we have been trying to make this point for so long and obviously aren't getting through. If we do, we are called nasty names. Perhaps you bro's will have more impact when it comes from you. After all, it's in your best interests too.
One more thing. When it comes to standing up to women who only want to use and abuse men I am just as outspoken in my personal life. I do this for the exact same reason. I don't want ill intentioned women ruining good men. Makes it hard for all of us.
Good luck. Be a man....do the right thing. Be a woman, do the right thing. Be proud of yourself for it. | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 8/6/2009 2:08:19 PM | | It only gets better! When you get older you develop a sense of who you are and what you want and the best part is .. that is when you meet real men and leave the boys behind! Mind you there are still some outstanding young men with an understanding of what women are all about and generally it is not a romp! | |
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 9/25/2009 6:12:10 AM | I once had a guy dump me cause he said I was too young. That he missed dating 30+ women cause their was something sexy and attractive about them, a confidence and awareness of herself that I didn't have. He was 33 and I was 20. God! I HATED thirty somethings for a long time after that lmao! Cause I knew he was right lmao! And now I simply try to emulate them, but am fast becoming one lol.
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| Are women marketable after age 30?
Posted: 9/25/2009 7:01:39 AM | | pearlj - the same thing happened to me, too. He was a tall Armani dressed Italian of the nice age of 26 years old and he wanted to date me (at my fine age of 46) but when he met me, I looked too young for him. For all the young guys out there who thing they have it going on and dissing women of age - just remeber guys, you ARE going to get old, too and if you aint in the billion dollar (a million is nothing now) income mark you are going to end up old, saggy and grey with your right hand as your best friend. This is assuming your attitude hasnt changed and you find a wonderful woman to spend your life with. But I have a feeling the kharma bus is going to roll over you later for being so arrogant now | |
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