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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 7/30/2007 1:42:10 PM | | Quinn has to earn his spot as a starter before he thinks he should make the big buck. Maybe that is the problem he knows he maybe 2nd stringer. Sorry Brady . But you earn your position . You never got drafted in top ten and you want money . You may be looking at water boy if you keep being greedy | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 7/30/2007 9:38:56 PM | | bill walsh passed away today. the guy was a true inovator. i am always amused when people talk about how great belichick is or what a genius brian billick is or even the "legend" (lol) mike holmgren. walsh would take them all to school any day of the week. | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/1/2007 8:10:19 AM | | I agree about Bill Walsh being great coach and yes he would take Brian Billick and Mike Holgrem to school.......But Belichick is at same level with Walsh. Walsh was the man of the 80's winning several Super Bowls. Belichick is the man of today doing similar things that Walsh has done. | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/1/2007 9:48:23 AM | | please tell me what saint bill is doing today that puts him on par with walsh. and i don't want to hear about him walking on water or turning said water into wine. | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/1/2007 10:12:41 AM | Football loses one of it's pioneers today for sure. This guy was high-level! One of the best of all time, (but I think we tried having that discussion once before). He reinvigorated the NFL with his west coast offense and I'm sure if I checked, his coaching bloodline downstream would be pretty impressive. ----------
Even a short list of Walsh's adherents is stunning. Seifert, Mike Holmgren, Dennis Green, Sam Wyche, Ray Rhodes and Bruce Coslet all became NFL head coaches after serving on Walsh's San Francisco staffs, and Tony Dungy played for him. Most of his former assistants passed on Walsh's structures and strategies to a new generation of coaches, including Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden, Brian Billick, Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, Gary Kubiak, Steve Mariucci and Jeff Fisher.
Former 49ers coach, Hall of Famer Bill Walsh dies at 75 http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10274967
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Walsh a genius? When it came to managing people, label might have fit Bill Walsh wasn't a genius. But he was close. Bill Walsh knew how to put people in position to succeed -- or help his team get there. He knew football, understood its players and helped develop its coaches and its strategies. More than anything, though, he knew people -- and that's what set him apart from coaches and general managers who aspired to what Bill Walsh became.
Yes, he was great for the game, but not because he developed the West Coast offense or saw something in Steve Young that others did not. It was because he understood its people and how to position them for results.
He traded for Young, then used him as a foil for Joe Montana. If Montana was struggling, Walsh didn't hesitate to call on the promising Young -- which, Walsh knew, would infuriate Joe. But the idea wasn't to placate Montana; it was to win games. And if Walsh could push Montana with Young, he would.
Walsh made the 49ers a dominant franchise for two decades, and he rebuilt them twice. But anyone who follows the game knows that. What you don't know is who Bill Walsh was -- and I didn't, either, until dealing with him in 1999.
The 49ers were languishing through their first losing year since the strike-truncated 1982 season, and Walsh was trying to salvage a sinking ship. Midway through the season, a member of the team's public relations department tapped me on the shoulder at practice to tell me Walsh wanted to see me.
Now, Walsh and I had gotten to know each other years before, when we played tennis. But this conversation, I knew, would have nothing to do with tennis.
It would be about a critical piece I'd written on the 49ers for the San Jose Mercury News, a story where I questioned where the club was going and how Walsh and Co. were responsible for moves that put it in an impossible situation. I knew I was about to be taken to the woodshed, and I was more than willing to defend my position. Only I didn't have to.
When I entered the second-floor office Walsh occupied, he asked me to sit down. Then he disarmed me by asking how he could facilitate a better working relationship between us. When I told him he could start by explaining some of his moves, he said he would.
"OK," I told him, "but on the record." Walsh was unmoved. "Go ahead," he said. "Ask me anything."
And I did. I asked about Young's future. And about the futures of wide receiver Jerry Rice and new quarterback Jeff Garcia, forced onto the field by a concussion that would end Young's career. I asked about the offensive line. The draft. Walsh's future. The future of the team.
When we were through, more than an hour had passed, and I realized I never really understood Bill Walsh until that moment. So I didn't agree with everything he said. He didn't agree with a lot of what I said, either. The point was it didn't matter. What did matter is that, for the first time, I understood why he did what he did. Plus, he made an effort -- an effort -- to make me understand.
It wasn't until later I understood why.
At that moment, I left the room thinking I just gained an extraordinary education. I understood more, much more, than I did from watching a hundred 49ers practices. Walsh walked me through decisions, opened the door to his thinking and invited me in.
I was only too glad to follow. I resolved to start listening more -- I mean, truly listening -- when Walsh explained his next move. Because when you listened to him, you learned. You always learned with Bill Walsh.
We once had a difference of opinion on Garcia, with Walsh firm in his belief that Garcia could win in the NFL and I just as adamant that he was a warm body occupying the position until the next Young or Montana came along. Walsh was right, of course. He almost always was.
He was the guy who later that season suggested the 49ers have a halftime ceremony honoring offensive line coach Bobb McKittrick when McKittrick was fighting liver cancer. I didn't understand the move, thinking it was premature and insensitive to McKittrick, in the middle of a battle I wasn't sure he would lose. But Walsh was all about timing, and he thought the time was perfect to honor one of the team's most respected and cherished assistants. And so the 49ers did, with McKittrick leaving the locker room to appear on the field with his wife and a group of U.S. Marines. I remember thinking how poised McKittrick was and how ramrod straight he stood. I knew he was in pain. Everyone did. But he seemed grateful for the occasion and thanked everyone.
He never made it to the next season.
Afterward, I told Walsh that what he did for Bobb McKittrick that afternoon was give him one of the last great days of his life, and that I would hope that somewhere, someone would do the same for me if I were dying.
And that's when it dawned on me that Walsh always, always was ahead of the curve. He had asked to see me that afternoon in 1999 because he needed an ally to help him with a painful rebuilding program that would purge the club of beloved veterans and rattle its fans.
It would also put the 49ers back on the map, but that didn't matter at the time. Walsh needed someone to explain what he was doing and why he was doing; more, he needed someone to explain why it was good for the San Francisco 49ers.
Walsh would go on to rebuild the club a second time, stocking it with so many starters from the 2000 draft that San Francisco would make the playoffs in 2001 and 2002. It was incomprehensible to me that a team that had grown as old as it had by 1999 could rebound that quickly.
But that was Bill Walsh. He understood when it was time to move forward with one player and to cut ties with another. He understood what made the game work because he understood the players and the coaches who make it work.
And that's what I loved about Bill Walsh. You could never underestimate him. He knew what he knew, and you had better pay attention because, in the end, he would persevere.
I just wish he would've won once more.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10275023/2 ---------- I'm sure we'll see a lot of very positive eulogies for this man around the football world.
"""Walsh's impact on NFL to be felt for years to come"" http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10275000
Above all, Walsh's talent was about talent """ Since the history of the National Football League is constantly rewritten, Bill Walsh is remembered today as one of its seminal figures ever. He isn't. He defined a decade, which is pretty damned impressive. There have only been nine of them, including this one, so that's legacy enough. Halas ... Lambeau ... Brown ... Lombardi ... Noll ... Walsh ... Belichick ... yeah, it fits just fine.
His most notable innovation, the West Coast offense, endured well beyond his own tenure, and innovations like scripted plays remain today, since he filled the NFL with protégés as his own mentors, Paul Brown and Al Davis, did for him and his contemporaries. He's on more short lists than we can reasonably count....
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...Raiders owner Al Davis and Hall of Famer John Madden stopped by to see Walsh on Saturday, and Montana on Friday and also last Wednesday along with Ronnie Lott. Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young was headed to see Walsh on Monday when he received the sad news instead.
"He knew me well before I knew myself and knew what I could accomplish well before I knew that I could accomplish it," Young said. "That's a coach. That's the ultimate talent anyone could have. I said in my Hall of Fame speech that he was the most important person in football in the last 25 years, and I don't think there's any debate about that."
...Walsh built a playbook that included short dropbacks and novel receiving routes, as well as constant repetition of every play in practice. Though it originated in Cincinnati, it became known many years later as the West Coast offense -- a name Walsh never liked or repeated, but which eventually grew to encompass his offensive philosophy and the many tweaks added by Holmgren, Shanahan and others.
...By the 1990s, much of the NFL was running some version of the West Coast offense, with its fundamental belief that the passing game can set up an effective running attack, rather than the opposite conventional wisdom.
Walsh also is widely credited with inventing or popularizing many of the modern basics of coaching, from the laminated sheets of plays held by coaches on almost every sideline, to the practice of scripting the first 15 offensive plays of a game...
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10274967 ----------------- RIP Bill Walsh | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/1/2007 10:52:23 AM | | I never said Belichick was Jesus......Only see the similarities of Walsh and Belichicks accomplishments has head coach. I think Walsh has won 1 extra SB than Belichick, but Walsh's first SB win was when people never thought 49ners would do it, just like 2001 Pats. | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/3/2007 4:53:35 PM | Oh good....figured I'd meet up with you guys again!!
Yes, Bill Walsh's legend will continue to live on. He was well respected and deservedly so. He made a huge impact, not just on the sport but on many people's lives.
Well we lost Simeon Rice, ugh a defensive end like that is not easy to come by!! I started to read and almost got nauseous...failed a physical..then read something about contract negotiations...asking him to take a pay cut.
Sorry, but just my silly little humble opinion....the Bucs lost a LOT when Rich McKay left. Bruce Allen is a sorry substitute I would hope that Gruden is kicking himself over bringing his "old buddy" on board. The Bucs lost a lot of great players coincidentally when he showed up.
Ehh...what do I know, really. Rich McKay was a lot more behind the scenes type person and didn't get as much credit for building our 2002 Championship Team as the more visual ones did. Getting Gruden cost us a king's ransom and then some, too bad that him and McKay had such opposite strategies and couldn't work together.
Don't get me wrong, I am a fan and continue to be. They're my team and have my support no matter how great or how sucky of a season they have. I may not be a lot of things, but I am loyal. Even when it's hard!!  | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/3/2007 6:20:22 PM | | Bucgirl, The Rice cut was all about money. It was reported that after he supposedly failed his physical he was checked out and cleared by Dr. James Andrews. The failed physical was just a smoke screen because Rice wouldn't take a pay cut. I also don't think that Allen is as much of the problem as Gruden, Gruden wanted Allen because he knew this way he'd have more of a say in personel moves, which he didn't with McKay. Another thing that gets lost is that McKay, while he did build a winning team also left them in terrible cap shape which they are just now getting out of. If the Bucs don't make the playoffs this year there will be a house cleaning next off-season, tarting with Gruden and Allen. IMO | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/3/2007 6:49:33 PM | "The Rice cut was all about money. It was reported that after he supposedly failed his physical he was checked out and cleared by Dr. James Andrews." That's what I thought..and why I didn't finish reading it. I read more the next day...and no surprise. Smokescreen...you nailed it. Fail a physical? I stood very near him after a game, and read his offseason workout routine. Pftt...I totally agree, letting Simeon go was the Bucs loss totally. All about the $$$. Well here in Tampa there is talk widespread of something happening. If you know our history, I do and it's never the talent...we've produced not when they're HERE, but when they leave...more SuperBowl winners, quarterbacks...I could name them...coaches...and players. If there was a Hall of Woulda Coulda Shoulda...the Bucs would probably dominate that. We tend to be the redheaded stepchild of the NFL. I have my theories, my ideas, my kids and other football buddies have their own. I'm not saying you're wrong..but honestly I just shake my head and think who knows. I did meet Gruden at his book signing and saw and read a lot if not most of his interviews. And read his book....my take, a tortured genuis. They're my team and win, lose or STINK...they still are. If Gruden needs to go, then so be it. Whether they win or lose, I'll still be a fan. And I deal with a stinky season graciously, every team has bad years, but hey...it is good to win!! Honestly I've been much busier during this offseason than most, I'm fairly...umm well clueless who we still have or who's on the roster...no worries, I'll catch up. Offseason...ehh, I watch and will go to a game, but it's mostly a higher grade tryout. Now regular season...my FULL attention!! My personal take on the matter, knowing the history with the GMs and the former owners...the Glaziers made a huge investment, not only in the teams but paid a high price for Gruden. We're still paying for it, well for a few seasons, he hasn't produced a winner, and that's his job, we won the Division Title years ago. Our last few seasons...the games, the strategies....c'mon...the offensive genuis of the NFL and your plays are so predicatble I can figure them out. Even his clock management...a crucial factor that with Oakland he managed much better. Talk about an element...penalties...sore spot. Offense, defensse...penalties cost games. Sorry, ranting a bit. Whatever has to happen as a dedicated loyal fan, I can only hope it does. Hey....gotta LOVE FOOTBALL!!!  | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/4/2007 8:08:48 AM | | hey bucs!! the rice cut was about the money but also part of the director of personels job is to figure out when a player is on his down side. it has become almost an art form to factor in declining skills and salary and need then determining signability. joey porter is a good example of what the steelers had to do. the guy probably has 2 good years left. but at what cost? and is joey porter at 3/4 strength a better option than a rookie at full strength? its good to see the football fans waking up from their hibernation. | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/4/2007 8:20:34 AM | hey flthymcnsty Yeah, I know, it is a business and probably as much entertainment as sport. Rice was a good draw, though like Sapp was. I understand we have to deal with caps, I think that was a good decision it's better than other sports where the richest owners just buy the best players.
He has some good games left in him, so he'll get picked up by another team. It's just that our defense is well....been pretty beat up and fallen down through the rankings. Ehh...oh well another season, new players, I'm ready!!  | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/4/2007 1:06:44 PM | | i'm not up on the bucs d. where are the holes? i'm a big fan of gruden, and now since he gave my home boy gradkowski a chance he can do no wrong lol. | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/4/2007 3:18:49 PM |
steelers will win 6 games max this year.. long year for them...
Come on you kidding me???? The schedule isnt that tough and ben looks back to his form of when they won the superbowl.. They stuck with there 3-4 D and lotta same players are still around. Look for about 10 wins and a wild card birth | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/4/2007 7:15:38 PM | | Steelers may rise up to 8 and 8 this season. They don't have that power running game they used to. A lot of pressure will be on Big Ben. I wonder about that secondary also. | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/4/2007 9:09:21 PM | The Class of 2007 The Class of 2007 enshrinement ceremony at Fawcett Stadium in Canton, Ohio is under way. ... Charlie Sanders, Bruce Matthews, Roger Wehrli, Thurman Thomas, Gene Hickerson, and Michael Irvin join the NFLs most elite fraternity membership into the Pro Football Hall of Fame
http://www.profootballhof.com/
Class of 2007 enshrined on emotional night
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/5/2007 2:41:27 PM | GO BROWNS!!! 12 wins this year!!! Best offensive line in football if Joe Thomas isn't a bust! Even with Tucker suspended for taking antidepressents... what's with that anyway? they are LOADED! Browns will beat the Bears in the Super Bowl this year! | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/5/2007 3:01:36 PM | | well, ya know i hope the browns get back to being a respectable. it was a good rivalry with the steelers. and the steelers don't really have a rival like that anymore. and who knows with last years win total and this years win total they just may reach 12 wins. | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/5/2007 8:17:47 PM | Anyone see the game tonight!!! I know its just preseason, but look at the 1st drive and how we shut the Saints Down. Looked real good if we continue like that!! Go Steelers... On and btw 12 wins for the browns??? Maybe after 3 seasons added together | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/5/2007 8:29:57 PM | | not bad. a couple of guys stood out. but i know the saints are a little better than what they showed tonight. | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/6/2007 12:45:05 AM | | well you must.........and check back after week 8. well see how many they've won then. but you're right about one thing....it's preseason. | |
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| The National Football League 2007 Posted: 8/6/2007 8:00:20 AM |
but look at the 1st drive and how we shut the Saints Down. Looked real good if we continue like that!!
yes you are going to the superbowl cause you shut down the saints on the first drive of preseason.....  | |
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