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Posted: 7/22/2009 6:12:12 PM | Wow, the discussion never ends does it? I am just glad I live in a country where circumcision is rapidly becoming extinct. There is no good argument for circumcision: the Canadian Paediatric Society (CPS)'s neonatal circumcision policy since 1975 has been that there is no medical indication for male neonatal circumcision. As for arguments like looks... does it really matter what the flacid penis looks like? Cut or uncut, it looks pretty silly. And fully erect (which is when it really matters) there usually isn't that much difference.
And the cleanliness argument is just silly. You are going mutilate millions of babies (killing a few of them in the process) because the occasional idiot doesn't wash? Wow, that is just incredibly poor thinking. Hell, you don't even need to wash to stay relatively clean - give the foreskin a pinch while urinating and it will be rinsed clean. Not very palatable obviously, but clean enough to avoid any build up. The foreskin isn't really any more of a "breeding ground" for bacteria any more than a mouth or a vagina, and almost no one suggests surgically altering those to dry them our and toughen them. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 6:57:38 PM | I still dont understand how people are saying cut is cleaner then uncut. I honestly had a problem with being uncut when i was a child because i heard all the rumors that circulated about being uncut and didnt know any better. As i grew older-i learned to appreciate being uncut. A dirty****dude is a dirty****dude-cut or uncut. I have never had a lady go down on me-stop midway and say " is that extra skin i feel against my tounge-i cant do it ur uncut". The major diffrence is sensitivity-i literally have no choice but to make sure the female im laying down with is wet before i push in-or my skin will tear. Im unsure if uncut makes better lovers, but i have been with females that told me they never had an orgasm till i got between their legs. At the time i thought they were just trying to stroke my ego-but the more this topic comes up-the more i hear women saying uncut makes better lovers. I personally believe its because of how sensitive we are down there. I dont know if cut men have as many stages of arousal as uncut-or maybe its just me-i dunno. I noticed though that my dong has several stages of growth
super flaccid-this is when u smell shit see road kill or jump into a cold shower
flaccid-just soft and limp-ordinary size
semi-in between flaccid and erect
erect-ready to play and get down to biz
engorged-this stage for me is a step past erect
I would assume all men are like this but i dunno. I have heard women say they feel their partners get to the last stage i was talkin about right before they cum. I'm the opposite-i get that way during long sessions of foreplay-or if i take my time puttin it all the way in. Its actually difficult for me to cum while im in engorged-no matter how fast or hard i stroke it dosent make a diffrence. I actually think i stay rigid at this stage so long because of the extra skin keeping it sensitive when its flaccid-its completely the opposite at that last stage-sorta like Dr. jekyll and Mr Hyde-lol | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 9:47:29 PM | It is pretty simple: If the health benefits of circumcision were all that notable, routine circumcision would be recommended by paediatricians. It isn't. Likewise, if it was a risky procedure, or it seriously impacted your ability to enjoy sex, no doctors would perform it, but few seem to mind.
So let people make their choice. A lot of the arguments I have heard for and against circumcision are really stupid.
For example:
The HIV articles are often taken out of context. Circumcision is a last resort effort for populations who refuse to acknowledge how aids is spread, thus sleep around where there 1 in 4 that their new partner will HIV, and they do it without a condom. Circumcision would likely have less of an effect on HIV rates in western countries.
The cleanliness argument is also silly. I would question the sexual health of a guy who can't be bothered to clean himself. If you aren't even soaping up, who is to say what kind of infections you are missing or ignoring?
But the anti-circumcision crowd should learn to accept that women have preferences and are entitled to them. If a woman likes a cut guy, let her find one. Would you tell a girl who prefers taller men that she is wrong to have that preference? I guess this is POF.....
And for god's sake, stop comparing it to female genital mutilation.
Anyway, this debate was a lot more fun when it was shown on Seinfeld:
"He circumcised my finger!" | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 10:11:07 PM | If you don't understand that it is more work to keep an uncut man clean than a cut man, go work in a nursing home as an aide for a bit, and do genital care for both. You will find that an uncut man requires the foreskin to be pulled back, checked and wiped with warm soapy water, or a disinfecting material several times a day to prevent buildup. Squeezing a bit of urine under the foreskin each time you urinate is not sanitary, that is just putting ammonia under the foreskin, which then in turn requires you to once again wash the head of the penis, as ammonia is an irritant to the sensitive flesh. Keep that up, and you will become raw, opening up yourself for even more potential infections. The skin underneath the foreskin is thin and sensitive. It stays healthier when clean and dry. The vagina is a completely different story. It has a natural ph balance that must also be maintained to prevent yeast infections and other types of infections. That is one reason that women are told NOT to douche anymore. Just like women who have problems maintaining vaginal balance should not take tub baths, it introduces bacteria into the vaginal canal, as well as into the urethra.
If you are worried about the risks of circumcising your newborn son, have it done in a reputable hospital, with a local anesthetic, by a good doctor. I have seen it done, it takes only a moment, with very little pain, and saves a lifetime of trouble for the man. I have several friends who had circumcisions after they were older, and even though they had local anesthetic, they suffered quite a bit during the healing process, whereas babies do not seem to have hardly any afteraffects. They return to normal behavior, nursing, playing, sleeping almost immediately afterwards.
No, it is not life or death. Plenty of men go through their life uncut. But from my personal experience with patients, friends and lovers, I would definitely choose to circumcise my son, should I have one. As a parent, I believe I would be doing my child a favor by making this decision for him. This is my opinion. You are welcome to yours, even if you disagree.
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Posted: 7/23/2009 1:30:06 AM |
No, it is not life or death. Plenty of men go through their life uncut. But from my personal experience with patients, friends and lovers, I would definitely choose to circumcise my son, should I have one. As a parent, I believe I would be doing my child a favor by making this decision for him. This is my opinion. You are welcome to yours, even if you disagree.
Perhaps they should make this decision for themselves, seeing as it's an irreversible decision (more or less) which, as you say, isn't based on life or death and seems to be inspired mostly by a concept of cleanliness.
Hair isn't easy to clean either. Would you honestly shave your child's head throughout their prepubescent life to "do them a favor"? I believe that the reason why the majority of mothers cut their sons hair short is based on their own desires about the way their child should look and act, not on who the person is that they're raising. A child is a person, not a doll for you to manipulate to your will, especially in terms of biology.
Your personal experiences are fine but perhaps you should pay attention to the mass of opinions of uncircumcised men throughout these 19 pages who are thankful that they still have their foreskin - myself included. Put yourself in their position and imagine finding out, later in life, that your mother cut off part of your penis for your "benefit". There are many men who have been in this situation and they were far less than grateful. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 2:44:45 AM | for my 2 cents im a 25 year old american guy and frankly i dont see a point in being cut or uncut, that whole agrument about uncut being more dirty is a bunch of bullshit nasty penis is nasty penis, yes you have keep it clean but i mean really how hard is it ? if you cant keep it clean your just lazy.
Now some say a foreskin has no purpose, i got news for you back when man was walking around naked before modern times the perpose for the foreskin was to keep your penis safe from stuff that might hurt or damage it. Just remmber god or nature or what ever you belive in put it there for a reason, So maybe we dont have as much need for it as we used to but does it really help any thing now ?No but does it hurt any thing? No. and yes i know on old men it is prolly not pretty or terribly clean but i know some old women that the same could be said for.
Bottom line im glad my parents left mine on, as for the girls ive been with not one of them has ever been turned off or grossed out by the fact that i was not cut. Most think its kinda cool or they just dont care. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 3:01:58 AM | well im cut. ive heard from some people that if the doctor ****s up and cuts too much, it will stunt your growth, and that it is best done after puberty because it will be grown enough that the doctor can make a guess on how much space theyll need to grow unlike with a baby.
but that could just be bullshit. I mean ive never pulled my pants down in front of a naked woman and had her laugh and leave. If I did I would blame it more on the fact that I would stretch a pair of whities out till they werent elastic any more and started to hurt before telling my mom that I needed new underwear.
as for the whole "im doing him a favor" shit. I remember the last time I was done a favor by my mother (and sister). They felt that it wouldnt do anything but risk harm (via an increse in blood pressure) to tell me that my fiancee had passed when i asked after waking up from a coma. after I found out the truth, I had my first experience hitting women and hitting a family member at the same time. I used to be the typical hispanic when it came to family bond, now i only talk spartanly to my other sister, and even then im very withdrawn.
I also remember when my dad, for years made me drink milk instead of anything cept water and eat a tums calcium tablet every day at breakfast and dinner. at 5'9" im the tallest member of my family, so he really did do me a favor.... i hope that faggot's face ****ing melts the **** off, you ever licked the teacher's blackboard clean? thats what that shit tasted like, ****ing disguisting.
suffice to say that if you wanna cut him, cut him. I didnt care, doubt he will. Just dont say you do ANYONE a favor against their will, cause that just makes you a ****ing idiot. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 4:14:28 AM | I have done my research and even Dr's today know its not needed any longer. As a mother you could easily under the foreskin but its obvious you goodwitchbeth and that_girl* are are two fat lazy mothers who can't take care of their kids correctly and shouldn't
be allowed to even raise kids. What does your sexual preference have to do with your son's foreskin, unless as someone else stated you intend to have sex with your sons? And I don't care if male circumcision and female circumcision are two different things, they are both unnecessary and if a boy has his genitals mutilated then so should girls. You don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot do you? You're ok with abusing little boys but not little girls. How come? Women like you need to get with the times and realize circumcision isn't even practiced in most hospitals today. As for your sexual partners I doubt either one of you have to worry about if a male is uncut or cut as any sane male would have to be drunk or high to want to have sex with you two tubbies. Your medical facts are wrong also fatties as most hospitals won't even do male circumcisions anymore cause they know it can cause alot of problems later on. If either of you were any kind of mother you would be against mutilating your baby son's but your archaic view on life just shows everyone what uneducated people you actually are. As for the 'cheese' reference, christ most yeast infections come from women because you don't even know how to keep your own clam clean and think just washing the outside gets rid of all the fishy cheesy stink and gunk up inside there. Women like you two shouldn't even be allowed to have kids. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 4:21:03 AM | | I don't think you have to worry about having kids anyway GoodWitchBeth because as I said before, a man would have to be really desperate, high or drunk to want to sleep with you. I can just imagine the lowlife scum you attract. You should let your son make the decision when he's older to be circumcised or not. Why don't you go volunteer to a female circumcision and see how brave you are then you hypocrite. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 5:43:15 AM | Well first I am uncut and I guess my opinion wouldn't matter much since I have only had one sexual partner but she has had more than one and told me (honestly not just an ego stroke) that all her other partners were cut and I have been the only one to get her into an orgasm. I think that the child should have the choice of what he wants to do. Really I don't have any problems because I make sure that I clean under the foreskin as well as everything else. It's not really that hard.
also:
super flaccid-this is when u smell shit see road kill or jump into a cold shower
flaccid-just soft and limp-ordinary size
semi-in between flaccid and erect
erect-ready to play and get down to biz
engorged-this stage for me is a step past erect
I would assume all men are like this but i dunno. I have heard women say they feel their partners get to the last stage i was talkin about right before they cum. I'm the opposite-i get that way during long sessions of foreplay-or if i take my time puttin it all the way in. Its actually difficult for me to cum while im in engorged-no matter how fast or hard i stroke it dosent make a diffrence. I actually think i stay rigid at this stage so long because of the extra skin keeping it sensitive when its flaccid-its completely the opposite at that last stage-sorta like Dr. jekyll and Mr Hyde-lol
I would have to agree with you on this entirely. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 2:45:47 AM | Wow so much fuss over a little piece of skin!
Mutilation? Come on get real here!
Let's not cut the umbilical cord, and then we will all have something else to compare who's is bigger/longer.
If you don't want to have your male child circumcised, then don't! That's your choice, and you are entitled to it, but don't call it some sort of mutilation then condemn others of being bad parents. Grow the hell up!
Butcher!! Unbelievable!!!
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Posted: 7/24/2009 2:47:42 AM | Honestly, I have a preference for uncircumcized. It goes along with my dislike of plastic surgery (with the exception of reconstructive surgery). I think it's wrong to butcher a boy even for hygienic reasons. As long as the guy cleans under the foreskin, then there's no real problem.
The way I see it: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. If men were meant to be circmsized, then they'd come out that way. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 3:24:54 AM | The size different of being cut and uncut is so small a woman would not notice, it is just a flat piece of skin. the girth at the widest point of any penis would not be changed, cut or uncut. some men feel they look bigger uncut, some men say they are better lovers because they are uncut. this is more about them trying to show their difference as a positive gain and advantage over others, their need to feel better than others even if they have to convince themselves of something so trivial. some argue that the foreskin is like a male version of the clittoris but that's simply not true.
many men who have been circumsized in their adult years have said it hasn't changed the amount of pleasure they receive from sex, so the argument that it allows more pleasure is out of the window. if anything, more of your sensitive parts are making contact with the vagina. having sex uncut is like having sex with yourself mostly, since most of the friction that take place on the underside of your penis and the head (the most sensitive parts) comes from your own skin and not the womans. foreskins are functionally for trapping sperm that may already be in the womans vagina from someone else. this comes from our cave man days when sex was promiscuous, and females would have multiple unattached mates. not unlike the sex you see on the discovery channel. this would give the male a greater chance of passing on his genes and conceiving rather than the one she mated with prior. I'm sure 'sloppy seconds' wasn't uncommon when we were living like animals.
there are clear benefits to being circumsized, and at the very least it is easier to keep clean because of it. the lack of foreskin also allows for more friction from the bulge of the head being exposed. foreskin tends to move back when there is resistance placed on it which creates an area of less friction. in surveys they have shown that woman prefer cut men over uncut men, even in countries with predominately uncut men.
a big downside of being uncut is your foreskin can tear without proper caution, you can catch and pass on yeast infections to others. how long will a tear put you out of commission? depends on how bad it is. It can also require stitches if it tears bad enough which can leave scar tissue which can be uncomfortable and unsightly, not to mention costing you money and involve having a doctor working on your junk. it would be a bit hard to pull and clean your foreskin if you have stitches in it, not to mention the potential for infection with a tear.
I saw someone say 'this woman couldn't have an orgasm until she was with me, and I'm uncut'. or something along those lines. first off, she may like what's different than what she's used to, which turns her on more. there are numerous reasons why this has nothing to do with your foreskin. you might perform the way she likes it, and the others didn't. but don't get all full of yourself thinking your penis is something that can please women more than the next guy just because it is uncut. I'm sure a cut man has had sex with a woman who has primarily slept with uncut men, and she's told the cut guy he's the best lover she ever had. sorry to burst your bubble, but being uncut doesn't magically make you better in bed. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 5:25:12 AM | | I said it--A woman that i was with told me she had never had an orgasm before me. It coulda been just me-but i have heard in all types of circles that alot of women enjoy sex more with uncut men. I cant compare myself to cut-cuz i always been uncut-what i do know is that i cant rush into sex because of the sensitivity. I honestly think thats why alot of women are saying uncut are better-we have to really take our time. Everyone on this planet is built diffrent with the same parts. When i get excited its kinda hard to tell that im uncut. The extra skin does have extra nerve endings though that produces alot of pleasure-men without miss out on this. Plain and simple uncut men just have to play close attention while cleaning and drying it off. Peein is no diffrent for me-just when i go to wash my hands i wash my dong also. Before and after sex i wash-and there u have it-theres really no extra care for it. Going after posters because they say they prefer cut or callin em butchers is kinda crazy though. Everyone has something they like about the opposite sex-i dont think a guy should be ruled out though because of foreskin. Thats like ruling a woman out because she has kids-or her hair red | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 6:22:28 AM | I had both my sons cut and I don't regret it.They lived and as far as I know are enjoying decent sex lives.
To all this bleeding heart rhetoric over how cruel it is to have a boy's foreskin removed, why don't we hear your bleeding heart discourse about how women's bodies are treated during childbirth? Ever had someone's hand up your quiff? Ever been stitched up because you tore over something "natural?"
The child won't die and infection is just as likely with someone who is uncut, in fact, I know personally of 3 men who've had to be done because they had problems with their oh-so-natural foreskin.
Plus I find that uncut men smell. And yes I know a good washing clears that up but you lose the spontaneity.
I prefer cut when it comes to giving oral sex and/or uncut without a heavy foreskin. There are some men who have such a light foreskin that you can't discern the difference. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 7:29:53 AM | When i read this subject i thought that lolly ad wiv dinosaurs lollies an the daughter says to dad "chop it" Lmao im sorry i must tell the truth (iv lied in the past) Hehehe but cut it much nicer :$ | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 7:45:57 AM | | I prefer cut. I was raised in a culture that embraces it. I have also been with men who were uncut and their foreskin was still there despite full erection. This means I am getting slippery skin than friction. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 8:10:03 AM |
I know hundreds of people who have developed problems with useless organs and had to have them removed some died because of them, oddly they still don't feel the need to remove them at birth?
That you actually see a piece of skin as an organ demonstrates your ability to reason and argue something out.
Get a grip. The foreskin is skin! Not a freaking organ!
And to the poster who had the audacity to compare having one's clitoris removed with circumcision, get another grip...there are over 6000 girls daily who are having this procedure done...you don't hear of anyone doing penis removal do ya?
Stop comparing a bloody piece of skin to a vital organ!
Get real indeed. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 8:40:37 AM |
That you actually see a piece of skin as an organ demonstrates your ability to reason and argue something out.
Perhaps you should do a little research into it or just a web search?
What is the largest organ of the body?
Ans: SKIN >>> is the largest organ of the human body
So removing the foreskin is removing part of an organ is it not?
Perhaps I should have been more specific and pointed out that the foreskin is only a piece of an organ?
I didn't compare the foreskin to vital organs, if you re-read my post I think you'll notice I said "useless organs". | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 8:47:38 AM | New study from : George C. Denniston, M,D., MPH,
shows circumcision removes the most sensitive parts of the penis. The foreskin contains 20,000 erotic nerve endings the gland (head ) contains 4,000 "This new study provided further evidence of the permanent and irreversible lifelong
injury of non-therapeutic neonatal circumcision and raises grave ethical questions regarding the continued performance of child circumcision.
This chart shows the difference in sensitivity between a circumcised penis and an intact (uncircumcised) one. The most sensitive parts of the intact penis are missing from the circumcised penis. Visit http://www.circumstitions.com/Sexuality.html for more information about this new study. . If you are circumcised on under side of your penis ware the head splits there is a piece of skin that goes from the head to your scar it is what is left of your foreskin touch it then the gland (head) and see witch is more sensitive | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 8:56:28 AM | | Oh this debate could go on forever its like the stupid chicken or the egg debate lol been wiv both cut an uncut an they both dont know any difference or cum harder than the other they the same.. Thou seems to be the ones uncut who gotta get the facts out to prove its more "healthier" to have it bla bla bla most us girls hate it (men wiv foreskin) its our top ten question we ask the girlfriend she got wiv a guy "was he cut" | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 8:59:19 AM | I see the raging foreskin zealots are out in force again LMAO
I am cut and believe me mine still works and is very sensitive. I come from an extremely large family and all the men are cut. My son is cut and yes I was there and yes I saw it. It was neither cruel nor did it have any psycological effects.
It is personal preference. No one has the right to dictate to anyone else what they can or can not do with their children in this circumstance. Those who are uncut are obviously biased and those that are cut are obviously biased.
In my opinion cut looks better. Uncut looks like an aardvark. | |
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