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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/17/2009 11:18:24 PM | It's mostly cultural.
What gets me is people who eat meat but are too squeamish to even look at the animal in the face as they eat it.
I have tried plenty of animals in my life. No biggie. It's either tasty or not.
Hunting for food: go for it.
Hunting for a trophy to put in your living room: you're a f*cktard. Notice how it's mostly guys who need to prove they have balls that do this too. Yeah, real brave and big of you to pit your twentieth century technology against something that hasn't developed defenses against it since God put it on this earth.
I'd like to see you take that animal down with your bare hands, coward.
And to those who think they're eating a pure product:
Each time you eat a commercial burger, you may also ingest:
cow shite (because the pain of disembowelment makes them lose control --if you were being skinned alive, I bet you would, too).
human blood/flesh: accidents happen when processing vast quantities of meat.
People who say eeew to insects:
When you eat cereal, you also eat insects that get ground up in them. That is a fact. Insects get into everything most especially grain.
bon apetit.
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/17/2009 11:47:31 PM | LOL, Cats and Dogs are pets and considered as one of the family and no one in their right mind wants eat their own family even how starve they are.
All animals feel the pain when we butcher them, because they cried especially pigs,ewww. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/18/2009 3:52:50 AM |
Each time you eat a commercial burger, you may also ingest:
cow shite (because the pain of disembowelment makes them lose control --if you were being skinned alive, I bet you would, too).
human blood/flesh: accidents happen when processing vast quantities of meat.
I have to call bullshit on this i'm afraid.
Animals are killed BEFORE slaughter, thus it is imposible for them to have any bowl control to lose.
In addition to this, any meat contaminated by human blood must be destroyed by law. Its this little thing called health and safety.
These statements are extreamly comon propoganda spread by vegan nuts and show no grounding in actual fact at all. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/18/2009 6:03:06 AM | Thats one iv never understood.
People seem to have no issues eating cows with their beautiful big eyes, pigs with their curly little tails or bunny rabbits with fluffy twitchy whiskers, so why not eat cats that sh!t all over the lawn, dogs that freakin bark all night and keep everyone awake or how about roastin a parrot or two.
Ok my point is as humans we dont need meat, we can survive without it but why do people select which animals they eat and which ones they choose to share their homes with? If you can eat a calf then why not a kitten?
People choose to ignore the fact they are eating an animal, they dont want to see the reality of the cruelty behind it and believe we can live very healthy without meat in our diet.
I dislike the word pets by the way, its kind of patronising to the animal really. They probably dont mind you calling them pets but out of respect they are animals we share our space with and should be respected as so. Its a bit like having your girlfriend move in and starting to call her hun, ewwww shudders. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/18/2009 6:17:07 AM | Cattle, pigs, chickens and sheep are raised to be eaten. In some countries, horses are raised to be eaten (France -- though that may have changed). I have no problem with other people eating other animals provided the animals were treated relatively humanely before and during slaughter.
The reason North Americans and the British and many Europeans are "grossed out" by eating other animals than those raised for meat, is that we keep dogs and cats as pets -- horses are kept for recreation (they are kinda like a big dog!).
All mammals feel pain. A bovine might feel less pain only because it's hide is thicker, but once the knife cuts through, their pain is the same as any human. Just as humans have different degrees of pain tolerance so do other animals, even amongst the same species. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/18/2009 6:22:15 AM | "Animals are killed BEFORE slaughter..."
Sorry, not true. Animals are STUNNED before slaughter -- by a bolt or bullet through the brain or electric shock. They are not killed because it's desired that the heart keep pumping. Death is actually by exsanguination (blood loss) as the butchering process begins.
I've witnessed animals being slaughtered and I'm not a "vegan nut" | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/18/2009 8:37:45 AM |
Sorry, not true. Animals are STUNNED before slaughter --
And then they are killed and thier bodies are botchered, that order, not the other way around.
Stunned so they can not feel anything.
Killed so that they do not suffer.
THEN the body is cut up.
by a bolt or bullet through the brain or electric shock.
Bolting and shooting are not methods of stuning. ou stick a six inch long, three inch circumfrence, metal bolt in somethings brain, it dies! Not gets stunned, dies!
They are not killed because it's desired that the heart keep pumping. Death is actually by exsanguination (blood loss) as the butchering process begins.
exanguination dose not require the heart to be pumping. Animals for slaughter by exsanguination are hung by thier back legs after being stuned, then the jugular vein is cut and the animal is left to bleed out. The heart stops after just a few moments, but the animals dose not stop bleeding out just because the herat has stopped. Put a hole in a plastic cup and fill it with water, then see just how much pumping you need to do get the water to flow out the hole.
There are only two instances where animals are kept consious for exanguination and those are both religious. So unless you have special dietry requirements for your religion, (even then almost all Hallal and Kosher meat is humanely stuned) you are getting meat that has been killed in the most humane way possible. We do not even alow humans the dignety of dying as painfree and peacefully as the animals we slaughter for food.
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/18/2009 11:17:57 AM | I'd go with Raziel on this one. The bolt is actually a metal punch which punches a hole in the skull. It is driven by an explosive charge which then vents into the skull cavity, literally blowing the brain apart. Standard procedure is then to insert a rod into the hole and stir vigorously to complete the destruction of the brain. Unless you don't consider a functioning brain as an essential for mammalian life, the animal is DEAD.
The perpose of the exsanguination is to remove the blood which would otherwise taint the meat.
As for why eating meat? It's food, dummy! As for not eating certain animals, that's just a cultural thing. Several European countries use horsemeat. Several nations eat cats and dogs. I've even seen insects on the menu in the US. Raw fish? Raw seal blubber? Restaurants in the UK fined for serving rat in place of chicken. And people can't even tell. I hear some people even used to eat their fellow humans. We just like to think we're not food. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/18/2009 11:55:58 AM | Thanks quietjohn2.
I would also like to add the cultural hypothesis as another reason why some animals get eaten and others do not.
The reasons for eating certain animals are quite complex, but they can be boiled down to a few major facotors.
We eat more chicken than other birds because:
They provide a great deal of meat for very little resource expenditure.
They are easy to maintain, not suffering from to many diseases or other illnesses (normally) and can survive in most enviroments.
They grow very rapidly, it takes just a few months for a chick to reach your table.
They are docile and can be maintained in large numbers without problems.
They taste good and are quite nutritious (or would be if they were raised properly, factory chickens are actually bad for your health).
We do not eat lions because:
They grow slowly.
They can not be kept in large numbers.
They suffer from many ailments and are dificult to maintain.
They do not taste good (apparently).
They are dangerous.
Culture is another factor.
Most large herbivores taste prety much the same, I chalange you to taste the difrence between cow, wildebeast and kudu. So when it comes to selecting certain species, it comes down to what species are avaliable and what the personal preferances of the locals are.
Cultural preferances have evolved from mainy sources. Some cultures only eat certain species because they are rare and so show status, others refuse to eat certain species because thier neighbouring tribes ate them and they wished to distance themselves from thier practices. There are many places in the world where the reason for selection of sertain species, is simply because they are local.
Personally, I have eaten a wide range of species, including:
Cow, Chicken, Lamb, Pig, Goat, Deer, Rabbit, Hare, Horse, Kudu, Gnu, Zebra, Impala, Bison, Squirrel, Peacock, Goose, Duck, Pigeon, Starling, Quail, Sparrow, Phesant, Salmon, Trout, Turbot, Place, Bass, Anchovy, Cod, Catfish, Flounder, Hake, Pike, Sturgeon, Tuna, Sole, Skate, Sardines, Makrel, Eel, Clams,****es, Muscles, Whelks, Oyster, Octopus, Squid, Crabs, Lobster, Sea Urchins, Prawns, Worms, Crickets, Magots, Ants, Flys, Mosquitos, Beetles...
And those are just the ones I can rember. There is a lot of species out there and humans can eat just about all of them!
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/18/2009 11:57:46 AM | Have either of the two of you actually seen animals slaughtered for human consumption? I've seen animals (horses, cattle, swine and chickens) slaughtered at a few different places. Admittedly, I have not been employed at meat processing plants. The majority of our meat animals are not dead when the butchering starts. They are unconscious and won't be alive for long. Yes, the jugular is cut and the blood spurts out (indicating the heart is still beating). Once the heart stops, the blood flows out.
None of the places that used a bolt to the brain (through the forehead) inserted a rod and destroyed the brain. That is not standard procedure. After the animal is hanging, an inspector examines the animal's viscera and you can't inspect a mashed brain. And why would it be necessary to insert a rod and "stir vigorously" if the brain was already blown apart?
Most animals I saw could smell blood and weren't keen to "move forward". Yes, we don't like to think about where our meat comes from and after I saw animals slaughtered, I couldn't eat meat for some time afterwards (I got over it and eat meat now). | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/18/2009 12:12:23 PM | If nobody ate the animals, then they'd over-populate, eat all the plants and then the veggies would starve... so as far as I'm concerned, us carnivores are providing a service.
Besides...I stand in protest against the mass slaughter of innocent cabbages and carrots that are unable to defend themselves and are subjected to ferocious instruments of kitchen torture.
Plants are life too aren' t they? So who will speak for them and THEIR rights not to be partially munched on by merciless insects and overboiled by inexperienced cooks with poor taste in quisine? (no pun intended) | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/19/2009 12:02:14 PM | | picture this, you got your neighbours over for a BBQ+ beer, smoke is pouring out of the BBQ and everyone can't wait to see whats in there, and you crack it open and theres a bunch of carrots, potatos, yams, some celery, and slabs of tofu..... | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/19/2009 2:48:37 PM | | meat if cooked right is healthy and it is a great source of protein to build muscle and we all need protein to maintain it. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/19/2009 6:58:08 PM | | hi.. we were created as vegetarians.. after the flood Gods obedient people ate only clean meats yet they still experienced a shorter life span from meat eating.. animals were created for more reasons than to supply man with food... some animals cleanse the earth and some are food for other animals... we do not base our nutrition only on how a food tastes but rather on how well we can utilize the nutrients from our food sources... google the healthiest people in the world and you will see common threads like exercise, high raw, low meat intake ect... besides studying health and nutrition for 25 yrs I have also studied the bible, both sources confirm for me that the healthiest way to eat is to eat a diet that most resembles Gods original diet for mankind.... blessings for health, warmly Mona | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/19/2009 7:57:53 PM |
picture this, you got your neighbours over for a BBQ+ beer, smoke is pouring out of the BBQ and everyone can't wait to see whats in there, and you crack it open and theres a bunch of carrots, potatos, yams, some celery, and slabs of tofu.....
Sounds a bit like my barbeques (minus the tofu). Roasted/grilled veggies are gooood... | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/20/2009 4:43:22 AM | | Interesting propaganda documentary being released this week in theatres named foodinc. An interesting tidbit from the trailer was there is a ban on printing pictures taken of food (meat) processing, does anyone know if this is true? | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/20/2009 6:40:52 AM | Ulster born
Have either of the two of you actually seen animals slaughtered for human consumption?
Well I can only answer for myself but yes. In fact I have slaughtered animals for my own consumption.
The majority of our meat animals are not dead when the butchering starts.
Again, I have to call bull shit on this.
Before butchering can begin, the animal must be drained of its blood. THIS IS FATAL! If you do not belive me then feel free to try cutting your own wrists, but don't come crying to me when it kills you!
After the animal has been hung for a several minutes with its jugular cut, it is then inspectd before it can be butchered. This is the law and anywhere that dose not do this would be shut down withing in moments, as every slaughterhouse in britain has an indapendant government inspecter on premesis at all times. These people are payed by the state and have no alagience to the slaughterhouse in any form, so if they detect the slightest misspractice then they will act. But of course this is juts here in Britain, I have no idea about the USAmerian practices.
Under British law, animals must be dispached swiftly and painlessly without risk of tainting the meat. As a result, slaughter houses use three difrent methods for slaughter.
First there is the captive bolt method.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol
Second the Electric stuning method.
http://www.grandin.com/meat/pigs/elec.stun-1.html
And third the Gas stuning method.
http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/x6909e/x6909e09.htm#b10-Carbon%20dioxide%20gas%20stunning%20(Fig.%2064,%2065)
One of these methods of stuning must be ussed prior to slaughter by exanguination or by destruction of the brain with a gun (in the case of cattle, calves, sheep, pigs, goats and horses). after slaughter, an inspector must be alowed to examin the carcse to insure it is claen and safe for cunsumption, and that it is dead before butchry takes place. This is the law and any deviation from this practice by a slaughterhouse in the UK would see the line closed imediately.
Most animals I saw could smell blood and weren't keen to "move forward".
And where I went, the cows were pushing against the railngs to move forwards, not knowing what awaited them at all.
Yes, we don't like to think about where our meat comes from
Whats this we? I very much like to think about where my meat comes from as I eat ethically produced meats only, for health reasons mostly. Unhealthy conditions produce unhealthy meat and gives you an unhealthy meal.
monalee1
hi.. we were created as vegetarians..
Then why did Able farm goats?
wtf2uwant
An interesting tidbit from the trailer was there is a ban on printing pictures taken of food (meat) processing, does anyone know if this is true?
Nope, its absolute bull shit. It is totally legal to take pictures of meat procesing and packaging. It is only ilegal to lie to the owner/managers of the land or factory you are on about what you are doing, and in some cases to be on the land without permision.
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/20/2009 12:34:02 PM | hi.. we were created as vegetarians..
We were ? Neat. If that's the case , why aren't we all dead then ? We should be if were 'designed' to be vegetarians since we lack certain amino acids for protein production. For all practical reasons , these amino acids would have had to come from game despite the ignorant insistence that ten thousand years ago there were endless fields of soy and nuts all over the place.
Of course , if a person believes we were only created 6,000 years ago by some invisible friend in the sky , well , yeah , I guess , sure , why not believe we were also created as vegetarians even though there is no testimony even in any holy book that says as much.
Besides , even if it were true that we were "designed" as vegetarians six thousand years ago , it seems we've physically evolved since then. Ooops...guess we got a 'redesign' since then. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 6/20/2009 5:38:18 PM | To Bright1Raziel:
Surprise, surprise!!! I agree with most of what you wrote as it agrees with what I wrote.  The only "thing" we disagree about is when the animal is dead. Yes, death is by exsanguination. I might be blonde, but I'm not that dumb! The meat processors explained to us AHT students that the animals are stunned first (rendered unconscious -- incapable of feeling, however you wish to phrase it -- moments from death) before the cutting starts because they want the heart to beat and pump out more blood. Yes, blood will flow even when the heart isn't beating, but more blood will be lost when the heart pumps, even if it's just twenty seconds! By the explanations of professional meat processors and meat inspectors, the animal is technically still alive (though not for long),but unconscious, when hooks are put through the hocks, the body is hung up and the jugular cut. Granted, the animal wouldn't live for long even if the jugular wasn't cut.
And yes, all meat must pass inspection before it can be stamped for human consumption. The meat inspector (a veterinarian) explained what he was looking for in the organs. As he inspected, the head, tail and limbs removed, the carcass was skinned, and quartered and then stamped on each quarter after it passed inspection. Then it was moved to the fridge for aging. Then after aging it's sold to stores etc. for eventual consumption
I think you'd find that most people get a tad bit squeamish when they hear how animals are slaughtered and don't really want to know the details or the generalities. It drained the blood from my face when I saw animals slaughtered for the first time (didn't help that the first animal I witnessed slaughtered was a horse very much like a horse I knew -- I would've sampled the horsemeat afterwards, 'cept the images of horse as friend kept coming back). I just couldn't eat meat for months after seeing horses, pigs, cattle and chickens slaughtered -- well, not so much the chickens
I wonder how many people would remain meat eaters if each family had to kill and process each animal as our (not so) long-ago ancestors had to? I could "do it" if I had to, but I prefer to buy meat in the nicely wrapped plastic containers! | |
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