Mr H2O
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Msg: 151 | |
| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/6/2007 8:38:33 PM | A large dog like a Mastiff or Saint Bernard approaches 200 lbs.
According to the China Central Television in Beijing,
the experts pointed out that Saint Bernards are fast growing and disease resistant.
On Average a female gives birth once a year.
Litter size usually is around nine to twelve, nearly double that of other breeds.
In China the dogs are raised for meat on farms just like a pig farmer might do. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/6/2007 9:49:04 PM | My question to you, however, is how long have those breeds of dogs been around?
Part of my response included the tradition/habit/whatever you want to call it of relying on cattle since it has been done for so long.
Perhaps if mastiffs and saint bernards existed as a plausible option in the days of our ancestors, we would be eating them. But they weren't. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/6/2007 11:00:28 PM |
its(sic) only harder because in you mind you have already made it hard...so there (sic) for it is
Uh no, it's harder because you have to eat a much larger variety of foods in order to maintain a vegetarian lifestyle, and have to take a thoughtful approach to averting particular vitamin deficiencies.
I'm not talking in terms of what tastes good. I have no interest in becoming a vegetarian. I'm talking as somebody who has had two girlfriends who were once lazy vegetarians, and at one point ended up with some rather severe health problems as a result.
You shouldn't jump to conclusions about the thought patterns of other posters. I'm not discussing the willpower issue in this. I'm talking about the realities of vegetarianism vs. omnivorous eating. Naturally being an omnivore is easier, you get eat everything the vegetarian eats, plus an entire huge selection of foods. | |
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Mr H2O
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Msg: 154 | |
| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/7/2007 8:19:38 AM | People need to read their history books a little more.
Not everybody eats steak or roast beef in the world.
Mastiff breed of dogs - fore runner to Saint Bernard:
Ancient images of dogs like the Mastiff can be seen on Babylonian relics from 2200 BC.
Sculptures from Assyria also show Mastiff-like drawings from about 650 BC.
People have been eating dogs as far back as humans existed on earth. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/8/2007 3:33:13 AM |
Naturally being an omnivore is easier, you get eat everything the vegetarian eats, plus an entire huge selection of foods.
I know very few omnis that eat as much produce as I do, nor anywhere close to the recommended amount.
The only people I know of who were malnutritioned are omnis.
Most omnis have less variety in their diets than the vegetarians/vegans I know.
Everyone's got an anecdote.  | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/8/2007 6:35:27 PM | Here's an excerpt from an interesting article by B.R. Myers on the dynamic between tastebuds & moral judgment:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200709/omnivore
"For centuries civilized society took a dim view of food lovers, calling them 'gourmands' and 'gluttons' and placing them on a moral par with lechers. They were even assigned their own place in hell, and I don’t mean a table near the kitchen: They were to be force-fed for eternity. Not until halfway through the Industrial Revolution did the word gourmet come into use. Those who have since applied it to themselves have done a fine job of converting the world’s scorn to respect. The pleasures of the oral cavity (though we must say 'palate' instead) are now widely regarded as more important, more intrinsically moral, and a more vital part of civilized tradition than any other pleasures. People who think nothing of saying 'I'm not much of a reader' will grow shamefaced when admitting an ignorance of wine or haute cuisine. Some recent movies have even tried to turn banquets into heroic affairs. Advertising has abetted the trend, while political correctness, with its horror of judging anyone’s 'lifestyle choices,' has done its bit to muffle dissent.
"The sexual revolution went faster than this but not as far, which is why we can still call someone a lecher. Our common language no longer has a pejorative for those who live to eat.
"The idolatry of food cuts across class lines. This can be seen in the public’s toleration of a level of cruelty in meat production that it would tolerate nowhere else. If someone inflicts pain on an animal for visual, aural, or sexual gratification, we consider him a monster, and the law makes at least a token effort at punishment. If someone's goal is to put the 'product' in his mouth? Chacun à son goût." | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/8/2007 6:42:34 PM |
imagine if we could grow meat artificially.. that would rock. But it isn't going to happen anytime soon.
They're working on it: Dutch Scientists Growing Meat in the Lab http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/06/dutch_scientist_1.php
:vomit: but hey, if one meat-eater switched to this stuff, it would spare the lives of 100 animals/yr, so no complaints here. | |
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Mr H2O
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Joined: 10/31/2006
Msg: 158 | |
| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/9/2007 7:51:15 AM | ^^^
It's still possible to be VEGAN who is a voracious guzzling gorging glutton !!
Let's not kid ourselves here - over indulgence with bread, rice, pasta, noodles,
breakfast cereals , potatoes, chocolates, cakes, biscuits, etc. will probably earn you you a place in hell also.
Morality is a two way street - not a "one way" enforcement jurisdiction.
I would go so far as to call moral people hedonists
--they get pleasure from beating on other people.
Therfore they go directly to hell bypassing any waiting lines. | |
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Posted: 9/9/2007 3:11:28 PM | human beings are herbivores they have grinding jaw movements unlike animals who have fixed jaws,meat is death and has no energy animals have an intestinaltract shorteh than human beings ,i have been a vegeterian for many years and love the lifestyle ,but it is all preference ,if you enjoy your meat then tally ho it is your body and the only person that vares about it should be you, | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/9/2007 6:13:23 PM | | It's really an easy answer. People who eat meat choose to eat meat because it tastes good to them. Those who don't eat meat don't eat meat because either they don't like the taste, or don't have access to it, can't afford it, or because of their beliefs. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/9/2007 6:43:00 PM |
human beings are herbivores
What?
If that were the case, why do humans have "canines" (those little pointy teeth we all have). We're omnivores (just like many of the great apes who eat fruits, nuts and vegetable matter, as well as insects and meat). We don't *have* to eat meat (which is one of the reasons our canines have become smaller over time), but we can, and many of us do. You know, there are even some cultures (and some emergent situations) that include cannibalism.
To answer the original question, it's primarily influenced by culture. If your culture primarily eats corn, rice, or cows/dogs/monkeys, that's what you eat. Part of that cultural determination depends on where you live and what edible material you have available, as well as how many people you have to feed. I may not eat lemmings or seal, but if that were one of the only foods available (like in the Artic Circle), I'd eat them or die.
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Posted: 9/9/2007 7:21:20 PM | It's human nature to eat meat.
Dogs and Cats were domesticated before cows and pigs. So while people had their "pets" at home for protection and companionship, and some times worship they were still hunting for their meals. As civilization evolved it was just ingrained in us that it was "right" to eat the larger animals, and "wrong" to eat the smaller ones. Some of it also has to do with taste I'm sure. I'd rather eat beef than a greasy squirrel. | |
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Posted: 9/9/2007 9:35:24 PM |
It was just ingrained in us that it was "right" to eat the larger animals, and "wrong" to eat the smaller ones. Some of it also has to do with taste I'm sure. I'd rather eat beef than a greasy squirrel.
Chickens are smaller than most dogs and we eat them. And then there's tiny quail, I'd rather eat quail than beef but them birds are too damn small. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/10/2007 2:31:00 AM |
I know very few omnis that eat as much produce as I do, nor anywhere close to the recommended amount.
The only people I know of who were malnutritioned are omnis.
Most omnis have less variety in their diets than the vegetarians/vegans I know.
Everyone's got an anecdote.
Please logically explain to me how having less food restrictions leads to malnutrition.
Most omnis have less variety in their diets than the vegetarians/vegans I know.
is right. You do realize nothing stops an omnivor from eating the entire range of vegetarian foods right? Except most of them tasting like shit I mean. | |
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Posted: 9/10/2007 4:06:07 AM |
^^^^^^^^^ you havent tried my cooking
I've had good vegetarian food, don't get me wrong.
See thats my point. I still get to eat vegetarian food. I'm not limiting myself, and I don't have to be too careful and worry about getting anemia or protein difficiencies. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/10/2007 5:12:35 AM | Knowing the fact that animals you eat will eventually kill you because of the fats that stay solid at your bodys temp....and veggie oils are liquid at your body temp that alone is enuff for me to wake up....
other then that fact that is smears a chemical in your body that causes Cancer | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/10/2007 5:56:30 AM | getting anemia or protein difficiencies.
my favourite trick
when told my blood levels are fantastic
yeah doc and I am a veggo | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/10/2007 5:58:02 AM |
Knowing the fact that animals you eat will eventually kill you because of the fats that stay solid at your bodys temp....and veggie oils are liquid at your body temp that alone is enuff for me to wake up other then that fact that is smears a chemical in your body that causes Cancer
Man if anything you're posts on this science forum have proved you'll believe in anything regardless of scientific evidence. The amusing thing is not anti-vegetarianism, but you can't seem to handle that I'm not falling to my knees and worshiping your golden carrot idol.
yeah doc and I am a veggo
Yah well if it didn't happen to you it obviously never happens. I'm a meat eater with a resting heart rate of 56 beats per minute with a low blood presure and a low body fat percentage, obviously by your reasoning you can extrapolate that all meat eaters are athletes...
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Mr H2O
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Joined: 10/31/2006
Msg: 172 | |
| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/10/2007 9:54:22 AM | Charlesedm is right on track.....http://www.eatwild.com/
Meat and dairy products from grass-fed ruminants are the richest known source of good fat called "conjugated linoleic acid" or CLA.
CLA may be one of our most potent defenses against cancer.
In laboratory animals, a very small percentage of CLA—a mere 0.1 percent of total calories—greatly reduced tumor growth.
There is new evidence that CLA may also reduce cancer risk in humans.
In a Finnish study, women who had the highest levels of CLA in their diet,
had a 60 percent lower risk of breast cancer than those with the lowest levels.
Meat from grass-fed animals has two to four times more omega-3 fatty acids than meat from grain- fed animals.
Omega-3s are called "good fats" because they play a vital role in every cell and system in your body.
Eat well and exercise !!!! | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/10/2007 10:53:58 AM | To the Msg on CLA:
I lived it. I grew up eating lots of meat and dairy (all home grown, and the milk was raw, the butter unpasteurized etc.) I had fresh foods, I was a decent athlete. I actually had very limited grains, and absolutely no soy. At 15 I moved out on my own on an education scholarship. My diet took a turn for the worse. Pastas, store bought produce and meats (albeit very little, and no dairy at all except for the "healthy" skim milk,) and some processed foods. While obviously not a great follower of vegetarian lifestyle, I had all the variety the grocery store could offer, and my food range was wide and "balanced," except for animal products. I started feeling unhealthy immediately - even with supplements. By 18 I was diagnosed with cancer, by 19 I was told it was terminal, and I wouldn't make 20. So I went back to my childhood diet of a very meat and dairy rich diet, all grown "organically." Veggies were from local farmers who didn't spray. Fruit was what I could pick off of the wild plants. Now I do all that myself, an know what and where every bite I eat was fed.
I am 26 now, and no sign of cancer. I attribute it all to my lifestyle, and my diet (and a few other factors touched upon elsewhere.) The physical (exercise) aspects of my life have never changed. I refused Chemo, and all that jazzy cancer treatment fun stuff. For me (and I only speak for myself) Eating animals and animal products is what is best for my body. I can, and often do, go a week or two without meat, but in those times I never lack for dairy and eggs in my diet. When I go without all animal proteins, I become weak and unable to do my job immediately. I cannot process soy at all, like many. Do not feed me tofu.
I am far healthier than the average person. Like another poster, my sitting heart rate is in the 50's. This is the diet that is best for me. Choose to eat what you will, I do still know what pleases my body best, and puts me at my optimum performance. For ME, vegan is definitely not an option for good health. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/10/2007 5:28:41 PM | A balanced diet can be had by eating vegetarian foods and yeast grown cultures. (yogurt, cheese, etc.) I've found that a lot of people who do that seem to have more health problems as they grow older though, if they don't take suppliments.
Meats of all kinds can be bought/raised all over the place. Some people eat insects to garner protein. Grubs, worms, whatever it takes. You can buy chocolate coated ants in a can from a gourmet food store. It is an accepted part of mnay peoples diet. Very likely yours too, although inadvertantly. Cereal.....most of the protein is from insect parts. So, you see protein in a breakfast cereal, you know what you're eating. It causes you no harm, and it's always been there, so...
Eating meat is somethng many of us do, many will continue to do. More city dwellers will be vegetarians because they can't stomach the fact that an animal had to die to feed them. Also, their constitutions are becoming more and more used to fully processed foods, rather than food less processed. Like pets, who used to be fed the table scraps and raw leftovers from carcasses, etc, but now are pampered with processed foods, and many breeds can no longer stomach the feed that their ancestors ate.
Growing "meat" in a vat is not a new idea. Think a "controlled cancer"...a bit of meat stimulated to grow in a nutrient tank, and the meat harvested every few days. A warehouse full of these tanks could take the place of a freerange farm. Different meats could be "grown". Clean, sterile conditions, no killing animals, less fat to deal with, no bone, just solid meat. | |
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| Why do people eat meat?
Posted: 9/10/2007 5:48:32 PM | | the reason meat tastes so good it is because when the animal dies ,it is the muric acid in the meat that gives it taste.and if you do not know what muric acid is, it is urine,yes that is what meat is it is soaked in the animals urine in some countries ,like korea they beat the animal to death so that it pi$$e# itself and they believe the meat tatses better,so next time you munch on cow pig or whatever ,you are consuming vast quantities of urine............enjoy | |
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