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| why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/22/2009 7:31:39 PM |
Dogs with a wardrobe and matching accessories... run for the hills
LMAO. Agreed.
it's fine you like your dogs and place them (to) high on your priority list, but don't cry if it comes between you and someone.
No worries, I wouldn't cry a single tear. He wouldn't hold my attention if he wanted to come between me and my dogs.
If you want a dog then get a dog my Pit/Lab cross loves those little silky yapping things. Tells me they are very tasty. He has a soft spot for cats too. YUM!
This type of mentality I find pretty disgusting...all dog people are definitely not of the same breed.
I love my Weims. I've had dogs most of my life and they have always been members of my family. Dogs are a commitment, a lifestyle choice. It wouldn't make any sense for me to become involved with someone who couldn't relate. | |
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| Why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/23/2009 7:09:58 AM |
I dated women who cared more for their dogs than their mothers.
When I do get a dog (and he'll be a nice big Rottie I can take running a couple times a day) - you can be sure that I'll probably care for it way better than my mom. Cuter, less manipulative, less able to take care of itself, and less issues are four things off the top of my head that I already know as comparisons to my mom, and I haven't even seen the dog yet so the possibilities are endless.
Then again my mom wasn't real good with the treatment when I was growing up, so I learned from the best. I'm only fair; I give what I get.
My tongue in cheek response: Well I HAPPEN to be married with or without children and I feel that my life IS complete - even without my dogs (who are all dead)(may their eternal souls rest in peace in puppy heaven) SO I'm not ANYTHING like the person you're describing (and your general premise is, therefore, just plain wrong).
It wasn't wrong - it just doesn't include you. I said most. You may not fall in that group - but the group does exist.
the "problem" isn't the guys who have a problem with dogs. It's the women who have problems coping with human interaction and prefer dependent canines over whom they have absolute control.
Here's the thing tho. It's a dealbreaker topic. It's not one that can be negotiated, because a life responsibility is in the balance. If a woman has dogs and you don't like dogs, or can't be around them (again being jealous for attention is beyond insecure, so we won't address it seriously), then you're better off dating women....without pets! Duh! Once a person adopts a pet, it's supposed to be with permanent responsibility in mind if they're doing it at all.
BUT even with something like smoking which CAN be negotiated, asking why women smoke isn't the issue really...it's that women who smoke don't cut it for some non-smoking men. So why ask why? Find women who don't smoke. | |
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| why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/23/2009 12:16:16 PM | Well, some reasons can be either intimidation, allergies and as others have said, women love their dogs more then guys.
Its like, a mate of mine had a date and it was going great for a few weeks and then he went to stay with her for like the weekend and the dog really didn't get on with him and well, she dumped him cause of that.
I am personally a dog person and when i get my own place in the future, i will be getting a dog of my own. :D | |
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| why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/23/2009 12:54:35 PM | I have n0t read the entire 14 pages in this thread but I'm adding my $.02. Some people don't like dogs. Period. It's not a flaw in this person, it just is. Other dogs are so unruly that it is very off-putting to any visitor. I have three dogs. I love dogs. I have been in situations where I couldn't stand the other person's dogs-because they didn't have simple manners. This isn't a reflection on the dogs, it is because the owner has not trained them to be civil in society.
Dogs are huge part of our society. It is up to every dog owner to make their dog a citizen and acceptable in this society. Dogs are accepted everywhere in most of Europe. They can go to cafes and bistros and into shops with their owners.
I live in small town Vermont. Some places allow civilized dogs to enter bookstores and other shops; or they may be quietly be tethered to a parking meter of the railing of an outdoor restaurant. Of course everyone carries plenty of plastic bags to0 clean up after their pets. You wouldn't dump a feces-laden Pampers on the sidewalk I hope.
My own three are basically good with people. I live on a backwoods farm so they don't see much pedestrian activity. However, I do not allow my dogs to jump on people, lick them (or me! I know what they eat!) or behave in ways that make a guest uncomfortable. Having a dog is an extension of one's own manners; it may apply to kids too....cultivate your own manners, your pet's manners, your kid's manners and maybe the scenario will change.
For those who may date people who don't like dogs and yours are well behaved, let them go to an animal-free person. And find someone who likes animals.
I'll add this also-my Beagle shares my bed-always. But when there is love making in the bedroom she's gone. My SO loves my dogs-thankfully.  | |
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| why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/23/2009 9:20:54 PM | There are dogs, and there are dogs- not all dogs are created equal, I might have a problem with some lady who has a couple of yappers and ankle biters-
Honestly a Chihuahua to me is little more than a varmit-
But I realize that some have to fill their lives with some being when the kids are gone for good, I guess it would have to be a case to case decision on how much of a nuisance they represent, I have met dogs that were well behaved and not at all a problem, but I honestly do appreciate a Golden's temperament more than of any small dog..
I would get another Golden if I had someone to watch out for it while I work out of town. | |
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| Why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/23/2009 9:33:57 PM | so heavyiron you don't allow infants in your house? or handicapped ppl?
Dogs & humans are connected - it's primal. Dogs are the ONLY animal that make eye contact with humans and respond to visual cues.
NEVER trust a man who doesn't like dogs - he will slit your throat in your sleep .. or at least steal your wallet | |
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| Why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/24/2009 3:27:43 PM | #317
If you want a dog then get a dog my Pit/Lab cross loves those little silky yapping things. Tells me they are very tasty. He has a soft spot for cats too. YUM!
All I can say is OM F*CKEN G... Where is the SPCA # in his town
Note to self...get some dog pic's! | |
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| Why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/26/2009 8:20:50 AM |
Here's the thing tho. It's a dealbreaker topic.
I don't see it like that. Dogs, horses and fish are fungible property. You can sell them, trade them, adopt them and put them down. Human relationships trump animal. It may be that a disagreement over a pet is indicative of deal breaking characteristics, but if a person is putting their pet first - before parents, children and SO's, that person has a problem with human relationships.
(again being jealous for attention is beyond insecure, so we won't address it seriously)...
Calling it 'jealousy' is misleading and pejorative. Nobody wants to be someone's dog, or even to be treated like someone's dog. Questioning someone's devotion to an ideal you don't share - whether it be spending a fortune at the dog track, not dating because you can't leave it home alone, or going into debt for doggie cancer treatment - isn't jealousy, it's a difference in values. | |
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| Why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/26/2009 12:55:48 PM |
I don't see it like that. Dogs, horses and fish are fungible property.
If you own animals or use them as livestock, sure. A lot of people don't have pets for that reason. I see it that way because people who agree with your logic and pet owners and the like shouldn't be dating - you'll always disagree on it, so why purposely create conflict?
You can sell them, trade them, adopt them and put them down.
You can do the same with humans too, honestly as far as some are concerned - just because people can speak and rationalize doesn't make them superior. I've met lots of animals with better natures than some of the humans I've dealt with. Serial killers don't empathize with their victims, to them - some people are better than others. You can go on and on with that logic.
Human relationships trump animal.
That's the dealbreaker issue actually. For those who feel this way, it's better to find someone that agrees with that logic. Then, both need not go anywhere near animals, and all should be fine.
It may be that a disagreement over a pet is indicative of deal breaking characteristics, but if a person is putting their pet first - before parents, children and SO's, that person has a problem with human relationships.
That's an extreme statement. First, it implies that someone can't have pets AND other human relationships. Second, SO's aren't family, so we can argue the rank of that as well (we've seen a thousand guys freak out over a woman who says her kids/parents/family come first, same thing). The bottom line is that there are people who think animals are expendable (yep, that's the word I'm using) and there are people that don't. Those two groups of people probably shouldn't date each other. Nor should they worry about what those people do.
Calling it 'jealousy' is misleading and pejorative. Nobody wants to be someone's dog, or even to be treated like someone's dog.
For the men who complain dogs get more attention, you may want to rethink that statement.
Questioning someone's devotion to an ideal you don't share - whether it be spending a fortune at the dog track, not dating because you can't leave it home alone, or going into debt for doggie cancer treatment - isn't jealousy, it's a difference in values.
None of those things have anything to do with lack of attention, so I agree. You can date someone and decide you wouldn't do what they're doing, but still respect it and leave room for it. My problem is with people who don't agree with your values, but want to date you and expect you to change them, or mold them to your preference.
Statements like "you love that pet more than me" are silly, childish, insecure statements. Once you are in someone's life, demanding and expecting priority over all else (and people who whine about pets also whine about jobs, kids, hobbies, friends, etc) and telling someone you have to come first is proof you don't have a life and can't entertain yourself.
SO it's not so much about the pet as it is about the fact that it's not all about you (as in the person complaining). People who stomp their feet and get mad that someone doesn't worship them once involved are not healthy daters. Period. | |
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| Why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/26/2009 1:00:35 PM | Apparently I've been on fishes far too long.
I just assumed this thread was another to bash
unattractive women.
Lots of people have pets in their lives...it's
part of the package. If you don't like pets...move
on...where's the mystery? | |
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| Why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/26/2009 3:26:49 PM | [Apparently I've been on fishes far too long.
I just assumed this thread was another to bash
unattractive women]
...............drum roll please-
[Lots of people have pets in their lives...it's
part of the package. If you don't like pets...move
on...where's the mystery?]
...........too simple, we don't like simple, simple along with rational was voted down years ago- we took a vote and nearly unanimously prefer strife and conflict- | |
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| Why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/27/2009 7:33:35 AM |
You can sell them, trade them, adopt them and put them down. – You can do the same with humans too,
You can’t. At least not legally. You can’t breed humans involuntarily, pen them up, neuter them and sell them like property. The fact that there are laws against treating humans as property is an indication that rational people do not regard animals the same way as humans.
- just because people can speak and rationalize doesn't make them superior.
Of course it does. There is also the fact that they are human.
I've met lots of animals with better natures than some of the humans I've dealt with.
Lol. Sorry to hear you’re having a tough time finding a man.
That's an extreme statement.
It is. But it is in response to an extreme ideal, i.e., that an animal interests have priority over human interests.
First, it implies that someone can't have pets AND other human relationships.
I’m not sure what you mean by ‘other’ human relationships. But my position and comments don’t imply that at all. Of course you can have both.
Those two groups of people probably shouldn't date each other.
I agree. They should not. I’ll go a step further and suggest that people whose animal relationships substantially interfere with their human relationships should not be dating at all. They aren’t ready.
SO it's not so much about the pet as it is about the fact that it's not all about you (as in the person complaining). People who stomp their feet and get mad that someone doesn't worship them once involved are not healthy daters. Period.
That sounds like a person who is accustomed to being the alpha and omega in their relationships. Someone who wants absolute devotion and unadulterated attention. Kinda like those ‘pet first’ folks actually... | |
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| Why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/27/2009 8:20:45 AM |
You can’t. At least not legally. You can’t breed humans involuntarily, pen them up, neuter them and sell them like property. The fact that there are laws against treating humans as property is an indication that rational people do not regard animals the same way as humans.
The fact that it's illegal is mostly because humans made the law, naturally. Well some - if you go back far enough - even certain humans weren't regarded as well as others. It's mostly based on who's running the show and what laws pertain to the lawmakers in particular. Unfortunately, animals won't ever get that right.
Racism, sexism, and homophobic nature produced and/or blocked laws that didn't make all humans equal, so if you ask some blacks, women, or gays from a certain era they can tell you what it feels like to have no rights because you were born a certain "type". They weren't treated too differently at one time. It's the same mentality.
However, that's for another thread. I digress. It's only indirectly related.
Of course it does. There is also the fact that they are human.
That's what separates us from animals, the ability to rationalize. That's what makes us human - that's basically what I said in the first place. Not all that humans do is better, BTW.
Lol. Sorry to hear you’re having a tough time finding a man.
1. I have no idea where you saw me type that.
2. I don't usually have any problems finding a man, honestly - unless you mean a man I have interest in...a little tougher, but still not a problem. You must have mistaken me for another poster I'm guessing. It's not connected and it's not something I mentioned, so I don't know what to tell you on this.
It is. But it is in response to an extreme ideal, i.e., that an animal interests have priority over human interests.
The funny thing here is no one said ALL animals are more important than ALL humans; it IS extreme and it's your perception of what was said - what's been said here is some women have pets, and if you feel that way, you're probably not a match for those women. It's a major issue in relationships when two don't agree EITHER WAY (just wanted to make sure you caught that) on this issue. If you feel humans are superior, then stay around humans only, and date people who do the same.
It's more about how long the relationships have been going on. If you meet a woman who's had a dog, naturally the dog was there first (as would be her kid, her job, her friends, her hobbies, whatever). If you were there first, and the dog came second, then you'd discuss getting one and decide not to. A guy who just showed up shouldn't ask a woman to change major things for him, nor should SHE ask him to change for her. Moreso they should match to the point where not a lot has to change.
I agree. They should not. I’ll go a step further and suggest that people whose animal relationships substantially interfere with their human relationships should not be dating at all. They aren’t ready.
More to the point they should only date those who ALSO agree that a pet is important, or already have one themselves. This is a like-like issue. No different than people with children, who can't prioritize dating, but will fare better with someone in the same situation because it's a common lifestyle.
And it's not so much "ready" as it is that at that time in their life it's just not as much of a priority - dating doesn't always have to be something you drop everything else for - though some would have you believe that.
That sounds like a person who is accustomed to being the alpha and omega in their relationships. Someone who wants absolute devotion and unadulterated attention. Kinda like those ‘pet first’ folks actually...
Not all pet lovers have pets for the attention - some like animals and want to adopt. If it were all about being worshipped, you could just as easily say people who have children want to create human beings that HAVE to depend on them, admire them, learn from them, become prodigy. Strangely enough people who don't get pets usually feel children are a different story. They're not. | |
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| Why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/27/2009 10:16:44 AM |
I don't understand this comment. You are usually pretty clear. Can you explain?
What I mean is people who don't get why people dote on pets and make them part of a family or give them importance, usually not only understand why people with kids do the exact same thing, but are advocates for children or feel that people should have them if they don't already.
One example:
If a person can't make it somewhere because they have to go home and walk a dog or they go home because they don't want to leave a dog overnight, it's putting pets before people.
If a person can't make it somewhere because they have to pick up their child or go home because they don't want to leave a child overnight, it's considered not only acceptable but you'd question someone who did the opposite.
The concept is the same, but pets seem to get a bad rap in the same situation. Not saying all do this, as some would have problem coming after a person's children as well. | |
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| why do alot of the guys at this site have a problem with dogs?
Posted: 10/28/2009 3:11:53 AM | I have something to say about this one ppl, Ok its early as crap and i cant freaking sleep, when i read this i was like holy majoly, except i didnt wanna raise the roof...
first of all its all about companionship, more towards the fast facts that sometimes people who can manage to find the good in people that reflects there strengths and weaknesses, in understanding skills be the relationships or friendships or cant have the connection of levels of trust and dependability in others the way that an animal can give comfort somewhat replaces those needs and wants, to ensure that they can someday be as satisfied as that animal is with them, also for protection i think.
Either way i freaking love animals i thing they where put on this earth to further man and woman's understanding of our more primitive emotions, the ones somewhat hidden but also reactive to many feelings and moods that come along with our natural ability to do and or think, ponder and or act on something...
I think any man who meets a women with an animal may just have made A anew friend B met someone who is a lil less expressive understood or respected or honored perhaps C could be A and B or D could be none of the above and might just have to do with a defensive thing or a macho thing, perhaps its even tradition or religious or a comfort thing like i said... Dogs are humans best friend not MANs that was just some**** thing made up....
everyone have an amazing night and god bless  :modhammer: | |
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