| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/10/2007 8:31:01 PM | Don't animals kill their wounded and eat them in certain cases, Lions, tigers,etc. although I'm not certain about which animals, but don't only the healthy and strong survive.
We have found ways to allow most of humanity to survive no matter what condition it is in. Quadriplegic,paraplegic, ALS. muscular dystrophy, cancer to name a few horrifying diseases that we can now manage if not actually cure. Can you imagine the pain people go through before they are treated, managed or possibly cured. Logic says we must cure them maybe not perfectly now and maybe not perfectly in the immediate future but perhaps some day. They might be in some pain and their quality of life might be less than our own but they are alive. that is the important part, keep them alive no matter what , H.M.O.s notwithstanding. So who are these caregivers that deny us a quick exit from this planet and unbearable pain if not for morphine? Are they working with some higher power perhaps they do know what is going on here but refuse to tell us. Are they using a logic that is possibly only comprehendible from a certain angle without all the facts. Or does it just makes sense to keep people in some form of disability because logically it just is right. Tell that to someone without family, friends and no use of their body below the neck, that they must stay alive because it's logical | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/11/2007 8:39:26 AM | One may state that even the human body does not belong to oneself. If you were paralyzed, that's how it is, it never really belonged to you anyways. Weird...
How about this - someone would have to kill you in order for you to die - what about them? They would know they were the ones that killed you when paralyzed. | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/11/2007 10:22:31 AM | | they are screwed if they do and you are screwed if they don't. Oh those paper laws maybe the politicians are the ones who know what is really going on. The guardians of the prison, after-all they don't tell us what they know for fear of general panic and chaos | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 6/29/2008 7:13:23 AM | | An interesting idea. It could be that pain, sadness, and misery are things that we can't experience in our "true" form within the spirit realm. Perhaps, lving in this physical form and experiencing these things is necessary in order for us to understand what hope must feel like. You have to possess fear in order to experience hope (that the fear might not always be there). It could be that once we learn what we need here, we are then ready for the real lesson in our existence. If we could remember everything from our past lives then we wouldn't be able start from a clean slate. Think of all the past atrocities many of us have committed in our past lives. Could you truly focus on your life now, if you had absolute memory of everything you'd done in previous lives? I doubt it. In order for the training to be fair, you must start clean.Hey maybe we each get our own universe to rule if we do well here :) | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 6/29/2008 11:05:38 PM | Some thoughts, the universe runs perfectly and by the numbers, and life is part of it.
If death erases who you are, so only those that knew you, remember you until there death.
So what would be the point of us, to help those who come after by our previous labor's? to what end? in approximately 4-5 billion years the sun super novas, goodbye earth and all life, but wait did some escape into space with the technology of that time, could they get far enough away? if not, its the end of human beings and all life.
I believe we do pass from life into a spiritual body, into another dimension with knowledge of who we are. | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 6/30/2008 2:12:28 PM | Conciousness and brain activity are one and the same. When the brain dies, individual conciousness dies with it. There can be no "afterlife".
First, I would argue that conciousness isn't even necessary for life (bacteria, fungi, protists). Why would it be necessary for an afterlife? Even if it were synonymous with brain activity, brain death would still not forbid the existence of an afterlife.
Second, these things are not synonymous. It is arrogant to believe that because something cannot be measured by our relatively unsophisticated instruments that it therefore must not exist. The brain organizes information collected through experiences, but is this information the essence of what a lifeform REALLY is? You might think so, but I would strongly disagree.
If we define conciousness as awareness of one's existence, then a hierarchy can be created from annelids such as earthworms to more "complex" beings such as homonids. Might there be a level of conciousness beyond what we are capable of connecting with? One that doesn't require brain activity? | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 6/30/2008 5:42:10 PM | | Yes, the brain and thought processes, and the ability to communicate them, do not infer that an afterlife is possible, nor do the absence of these things confirm that one is not. People can be temporarily unable to think properly or communicate, but they still have what is often referred to as a soul. Eg., if you were to die whilst in a coma, or drunk, etc., you would still have a soul. | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 6/30/2008 6:54:01 PM | IntoArt,
How do you KNOW? Or are you playing muscle man for mephistopheles?
It is POSSIBLE that consciousness is the eternal of the Self.
Perhaps you mean that the mind and brain activity are the same, although I would then postualte that the mind is the result of consciousness enacting upon the brain.
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 6/30/2008 7:54:09 PM | If all the particles that make up your body were to be rejoined your brain activity would again start and conciousness function , second by second electro chemical matrix is imprinting the universe with a record of what you were that may be garbled but never will be lost pehaps some trillions of years inthe future it will all come back together again.
the is no action without an = and opposite action. | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 7/1/2008 5:30:15 AM |
Perhaps you mean that the mind and brain activity are the same, although I would then postualte that the mind is the result of consciousness enacting upon the brain.
I have seen the results of neurological studies which clearly show that no thought or feeling ever occurs without physical brain activity. Indeed, the nature of a person's experience can be estimated to some degree by observing the particular brain areas that are the most active.
I don't think that there is any cause/effect. I think that brain activity and conciousness are two names for the same thing, with no distinction between them whatsoever. (Of course, this implies that I do not believe in the concept of the "soul".) | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 7/1/2008 9:39:08 PM | Not to be pro or con on this issue but instead I'll toss a wrench in the cog wheels that still remains an unexplained...L.A.D. E or Life After Death Experiences.
For those sustaining the ...."There is no separate soul, it is just an idea. People are whole and when you die, life ends and your carcass rots unless it is refrigerated," theory, long before shrinks existed, lade people all about the earth have had these experiences for at least a few hundred years and has been recorded about and stories told of.
In our day and time shrinks butter it up to theism thinking in an individual whether they believe in theism or not. Shrinks believe everyone has God on the mind so that explains why so many in so many different locals have had similar lade experiences for so long of the bright light, etc.
The only part they have had an issue with is for those in our day and time that have an lade and while unconscious, eyes shut, declared dead in many instances, many times laying in a hospital they have never been in and they wake hours or days later to describe all that happened and all that were there trying to save them. Must be that good ole' x-ray vision eh? | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 7/2/2008 5:45:22 AM | A person who has had a "LADE" did not actually die. The proof of this is that they are around to talk about it!
During their traumatic, near-death experience, their brains had time to manufacture vivid fantasies (fueled partly by expectations and partly by outside stimuli, exactly like dreams.) Even under normal circumstances, I have had dreams that were utterly convincing. The addition of extreme stress and/or drugs no doubt makes them all the more compelling. | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 7/2/2008 10:10:05 AM | "A person who has had a "LADE" did not actually die."
Any time the hospital staff working to keep a person alive, especially in the er, and the staff stop working to save that person's life because they cannot sustain a heart beat, that is termed clinically dead. Most people who are clinicly dead, remain dead. They do not come back to life. Only an extreme small percentage come back to life minutes later and sometimes while on the way to the morgue or in the morgue. And only a smaller percentage of that small percentage experience a LADE.
Now I agree the brian can manufacture all sorts of things whether you are awake or asleep. But I disagree that anyone can explain how a person who is dieing or is dead in any setting where people are working to keep them alive or to bring back a heart beat, a person not recieving any stimuli of any type, that their brain can visually percieve in some manner to recognize in most cases total strangers and what they were doing and when they were doing it to help them come back to life while that person was not recieving stimuli to remember with. | |
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