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 trappedonbayst

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Posted: 8/14/2007 7:52:16 PM
Are aliens real? If so, are they here to destroy our world and take everything away from us?

this goes far more than believing something that you can't see as explained by modern science

are aliens "out there"? - I don't see why not, hence real. The possibilities are vast and endless as to the formation of planets able to sustain some variant of life, be it as we know, or yet to fathom.

Or are they peaceful creatures with a hope of saving us from ourselves when we learn not to fear them?

ask Gene Roddenberry or watch the movie K-Pax

Do you believe in abductions?

tough to prove a good story wrong - but "delusionals" in whatever arena, do spin a good yarn.

Do you believe in the crop circles and pyramids giving us a sign?

crop circles? nahhh, too many bogus findings. Pyramids? what's to explain about early mathematicians and a shit load of slave labour? See further on.

Are they some form of human?

are the crop circles and pyramids some form of human - you lost me there ...

These are questions people have been trying to answer since the UFO crash in Mexico. But are they true?

circular stories, conjectures, hypothesis and great camera work. The New Mexico story and the Feds, great fiction and paranoia driven cover ups of that era.

Most people don't believe in UFOs, they are more for religion based therories.

on the contrary, religious based theories do not subscribe to alien life, unless your statement was misworded.

I for one believe anything can happen. Why can't they be real? Do you actually think we are the only specs of life in all the universes? I don't think so, be kinda weird wouldn't it?

I'm not disagreeing - anything is possible, our history on a cosmic scale is a mere pimple.

Do you think they have come to destroy us? If they are, why haven't they done so yet? Or are they taking over our minds to rage war on each other? If they have come to destroy us, it's really taking a long time to do so. If they mastered light travel, why wouldn't they be able to destroy us within a few seconds? I think they are here to learn about us and our feelings. They might not know why mothers are closely attached to their children: from the movie "The Forgotten". They might be curious as to why we want to kill each other instead of working with each other.

not going to go down the sci-fi route here

Are abductions true? I am sceptical about this question. But if its true, I don't think they do it to hurt us. How else are they suppose to study us? We fear them so much that they might worry we will kill them. I think they are as afraid as we are to them. Why else are they cowering from us. I know if I were them I would too.

if they've studied us, and know we haven't mastered space travel beyond that ball of cheese out there, I highly doubt they're cowering in the corners and afraid of us

Are the crop circles and the pyramids are signs from them? What do they mean? If we looked closer and studied really hard on them, I think the answer would mean peace, if not they are telling us what will happen if we continue to hurt our planet.

crop circles are bogus and are easily done, well perhaps not easily, but a prank of that magnitude by some lonely math majors, does take some decent planning. Any anomalies in their creation can be refuted, from what I've seen anyway on Discovery. This topic is worthy of its own thread.

For the pyramids, I fully don't believe humans dragged all those gigantic heavy blocks to build the m. I don't think people back then knew how to, I think they were either taught how or were getting help from "someone".

about the only decent puzzle and mystery out there - tons of theories proving and disproving how giants blocks were moved. They're the only ones that really garner my curiosity.

Aliens: Fact or Fiction?

hung jury ...

Bottom line, I'm open to other life forms beyond our solar system - and that's one giant chunk of real estate out there.
 Jersey101

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Posted: 8/14/2007 8:05:45 PM
It's ignorant to believe that we are the only life form in the universe.

I don't believe the crop circles, abductions,ufo sightings are real. I find it very hard to believe a advanced lifeform would travel millions of miles to knock down a farmers crops, or abduct Cousin Jim and "probe" him to study us. I believe that an advanced race would show diplomacy and contact us in an open matter. If they are so advanced as to be able to travel deep space then they having nothing to fear from us, we would pose no threat as we would not be able to follow off-planet.

If there are other life forms the odds they know about us are slim.

Although if there is an advanced race out there on their way here, I hope they are as unlike us as possible. The human race has been known through out history to conquer new lands before exploring and studying.
 Limestone_Lady

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Posted: 8/15/2007 7:51:33 AM
We know there is "extraterrestrial" life by the simple fact that meteorites have landed which contain bacteria (a form of life) foreign to our earth.

Here on earth we have lifeforms we do not understand, which life in sulphuric pools in very hot temperatures in and near volcanoes, in such a manner as we perceive other planets may have in climate/atmosphere, so very different from what we see as the essentials of life. (Oxygen, Carbon and etc.) It follows that this life may have formed elsewhere in the universe under similar conditions (which we speculate exist, and fairly close to home too.)


Are the crop circles and the pyramids are signs from them? What do they mean? If we looked closer and studied really hard on them, I think the answer would mean peace, if not they are telling us what will happen if we continue to hurt our planet. For the pyramids, I fully don't believe humans dragged all those gigantic heavy blocks to build the m. I don't think people back then knew how to, I think they were either taught how or were getting help from "someone"


Crop circles were proven by the farmers that did them. I have no doubts that there is other life "out there," but I also have no doubts in the capability of humanity to create the awesome, no matter how many thousands of years ago they did it. Catastrophe is often found in evidence at the end of a great civilization. Plague, volcanoes, earthquakes of massive proportions, huge meteorites, sudden climate change, and so on. Humanity starts over from scratch every time.

As for pyramids, seeing as I work in ancient architecture, there are many plausible theories. One of them includes cutting stone with light - we do this now, but with the use of electricity to power lasers (crystals are used.) Now bear with me. Every ancient culture on the planet of ours has a reverence for the power of crystals, at least the pure ones of harder substance (kimberlite and corundum - or diamonds and the sapphire family including rubies and emery. Even quartzite {amethyst, citrine, various 'quartz', peridot and etc.,} have various light transmissions when used in laser technology for different laser applications.) Crystals in mythology were used to build and heal. We are using them now in our science to do much the same. Ruby light for eyes (laser surgery) Most of our "crystals" for this usage are grown and manufactured for the purpose. Our stone carving lasers use a "sapphire" light. What might be said of our culture 500 years from now if there was some sort of cataclysm that happened to us tomorrow and wiped away most of our population, leaving the rest unable to support our technologies?

Edison started this, as did Tesla. Music recorded into crystals... the problem was in retrieving it, and this invention was never perfected. That is simply the greed of our society, no one wants to invest in a one time invention that you cannot make tons of cash on. Sell one, and you can record almost indefinitely into it and the consumer never needs anything else for that avenue of entertainment. Other great inventors seized on the ideas and have created much to set us ahead. Maybe this "mythology" has a basis in reality. I do not doubt human achievement when great minds and a limitless labour force are involved. Tesla showed us a different way of harnessing energy than what we use now. Tesla's way was not friendly to consumerism, and the mindset of "make more money, many times over." Maybe our distant forbears had a similar avenue, or one completely their own. I would not be surprised.

Being involved in human architectural history, I also am aware that we are a very cyclic species. Many great rises and falls of achievement, and only a few monuments left behind to attest to it. What will our culture leave behind to be seen in 1000 or 50 000 years? Our skyscrapers cannot even make 100 years without serious maintenance. Should we fall to a plague (which seems to happen in condensed civilizations every so often) we are leaving nothing of substance behind. What little bits may be conceivably viewed as Proof Positive of extraterrestrial intervention.

I have not worked on the Egyptian pyramids, but I have worked on and studied the Mayan and Aztec buildings. They are incredible in their simplicity. They are built to ride out an earthquake, and settle back into shape, and remain functional afterwards. Our technology is not like that, but we could easily duplicate and improve upon theirs, and our own achievements could survive to educate our descendants.

It would take very little to wipe out our current civilization. One major inner plate earthquake (like what happened shortly after Europeans starting to explore North America,) would do for this continent. The earthquake which changed the course of the great lakes and the Mississippi water system lasted for days. Our cities would not survive that. Nor would our technology here. Something happening soon after in the rest of the world, and well.... it really wouldn't take much to plunge us into primitive lifestyle.

I am waxing philosophical today...

Almost worth a thread of its own some of my jumbled morning thoughts...
 FrogO_Oeyes

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Posted: 8/15/2007 9:17:46 AM
Great addition to the thread, LL.

One point though:

by the simple fact that meteorites have landed which contain bacteria

This isn't quite correct. At least one meteorite is known which contains what appear to be fossil bacteria. Those "fossils" could also have a non-biological origin. They look like fossilized Earth bacteria, but they're contentious and probably impossible to prove one way or another. The meteorite[s?] in question also originated from Mars. That qualifies as extraterrestrial, though it's close enough that life on one planet could have seeded life on the other. There is still no evidence of life having existed on Mars either, though the search is ongoing and there's great evidence that conditions for life existed in the past, and life is tough enough that some forms could persist there now.

So, no, we don't know for fact that non-terrestrial life exists. It's still just a reasonable assumption.
 Pandora04

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Posted: 8/15/2007 12:45:27 PM
have you ever considered that we're aliens too?..or partly come from them anyhow...I've heard that we have material in our DNA that can only be found in certain meteorites....
 FrogO_Oeyes

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Posted: 8/15/2007 1:07:52 PM
No. You are probably referring to amino acids, which have been found to occur in space. That doesn't prevent them arising here as well. They're relatively simple chemicals, not life.

The flip side is, ultimately all matter comes from space. Any elements heavier than Hydrogen are believed to have been created by the nuclear processes in stars which subsequently expelled matter in novae/supernovae. From our perspective, that happened long before Earth-bound life, which is about a half-billion years old. The planet itself is on the order of four billion years, and the universe about 14 billion. Hydrogen began with the universe, and God knows how many stars came and went before our world of nickel, steel, and complex chemistry came into being.
 andimatter

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Posted: 9/21/2007 7:50:48 PM
Probably fact, but were probably like the Neighbors from hell, so who can blame them from staying away.
 ~DREAMS~

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Posted: 9/22/2007 8:50:17 AM
I have a better thought on it.....

If you were an alien, and watched the movies and shows that are produced about what humans would do to an alien if they found one.......Would you really wish to be found by them?

I mean seriously think about it.....generally what people choose to create for movies and those others that choose to pay to watch them must in fact have expressed their thoughts on what they would do to the aliens if they were discovered.....

One thing I tend to find interesting is most of these movies show earthlings finally destroying the aliens in the end.......HEHE doesn’t that seem a bit Arrogant of a way to think....

You have one species that is capable of destroying fellow human beings.

They wage wars.

Fight against each other.

Destroy the very planet that they reside within and use for a food, shelter, and security.

Humans abuse their children, rape, kill and rob each other.

There is famine and starving people in one area and overweight gluttons in other areas.

There are warlords prospered by greed and control, while there are homeless that beg and forage dumpsters just to survive.

Yet these same people ASSUME they are more intelligent and capable of destroying a race of beings that clearly have greater technology to be able to navigate the stars.

That just seems a bit ignorant of a way of thinking to me. What I find more disturbing is humans send out probes emitting radio waves to the far reaches of the universe asking for visitors to stop by and say hello, yet if they did show up the plans they form in regards to contact is to capture, restrain, dissect and study them if they show up.

Their goals are to steal a spaceship to reverse engineer the technology.

Yeah.....that seems like a perfect way to think and also the best way for two species of beings to get to know each other.

So now put yourself in the shoes of an alien IF one did show up and make themselves known........

Would you choose to say hello or remain hidden knowing that those are the intentions that the people in the power positions have for a plan IF and WHEN that time comes?

Seems like a perfect way to start a friendship to me.......NOTTTTTT....LOL
 Phoebus2k7

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Posted: 9/22/2007 11:01:11 AM
Hahaha ya i had to say something come on now ppl...

UMmm as for evidence i believe it to be there if you really look for it with an open mind. Not sure if your just sitting there waiting for it to drop in your lap because if thats what your doing .....then im quite sure you will be waiting for sometime.

The evidence has been here since the ancient times and they have been telling us this for quite sometime but all we take the stories as myth and not fact because it sounds way out there in the left field.

Like davood have mentioned some of the things David Sereda had shown are things that make you scratch your head for a moment....
 Itz4Funn

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Posted: 9/22/2007 1:06:10 PM
Although it's fun to toy with the Star Gate idea of alien vistations since day one. I myself have never seen any signs of alien life. If I did, the first thought I would have was the old twilight zone episode To Serve Man. I see a visit as a 50/50 chance of either they want to teach us something for the betterment of mankind OR they want to eat us. You know the old saying, its better to be safe than sorry.
 MONEMPERER

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Posted: 9/23/2007 11:01:54 AM
Aliens do exist. If they evolved in the same type of planet we did would come in to kill us to colonize our planet because there might be millions of solar systems does not mean there is countless of places to exist and live on.
 yna6

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Posted: 9/25/2007 9:47:05 AM
Sure... a lot of sightings can be explained away by one thing or another...but there are a few left over that cannot be explained..therefore, it is probable that these are in fact actual alien sightings.

It is a big universe. We are in a small corner of it. Why would we even think we are alone?
Why would an alien species not be interested in other planets...just exploring? They know we are a violent, dangerous species, prone to attrack that which we don't understand, therefore they probably would feel it would be easier (for them) to study us by selcting people who are out in the boonies so they don't cause such a ruckus. Any kid seeing an alien lying on the ground is likely to poke it with a stick before doing anything!

Our radio and TV broadcasts are full of violence...we seem to glory in it. You think they don't see that?

Maybe they study us as we do apes.
 Itz4Funn

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Posted: 9/25/2007 10:24:33 AM
I should have added that I certainly believe in all probability there is life out there somewhere. The numbers alone support this as does the way life evolved here on earth from what we currently believe as an electro-chemical reaction. Personally I believe the Transpermia theory. I have always wondered how even recent historical sites get so deep in the ground so fast let alone the ones from 340 million years ago. It's very obvious to me and many that we are continually rained down upon with particles of dust and over the millennia things just get deeper and deeper. I realize we have volcanic actions that contribute to this also but how did lets say a camp site 200 years ago get buried so quickly. This permanent raining down upon earth in all probability has surely by numbers alone brought some form of life to our planet. Today I read in the paper how a dangerous virus became far more dangerous during a recent shuttle experiment. Could it be this life form once exposed to zero gravity quickly adapted itself to survive? I think in the future were going to learn some interesting things about life in zero gravity.
 MrGuyCaballero

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Posted: 9/25/2007 3:48:43 PM
As already mentioned, the shear distance between the stars and galaxies may preclude any alien visitations. But if there was an alien culture advanced enough to get around the problem (assuming for a moment that it's possible), I doubt they'd have much to fear from us, and they may not even have much reason at that point to be interested in us either.
 scorpiomover

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Posted: 9/25/2007 9:35:04 PM
Well,I've met plenty of people who are probably more alien than human. At least, they act that way.

If they are here, and they want to get rid of us, then we don't know how long they were here, and many human invasions take a long time to organise, so the time scale is really not something we can debate about without knowing when they arrived, and the full details of their plans.

But most governments do not seem keen on change. So, if they contacted anyone, the info would probably be suppressed. The only way people would know was if they made a global appearance, that could not be ignored. But if they were peaceful, that could be perceived as a threat, and if they were not peaceful, they would ruin the element of surprise, which is too big of an advantage in warfare to give away voluntarily. Either way, I don't think that the aliens would make a global announcement. So we wouldn't know until our governments announced it, which is unlikely to be anytime soon, IMHO.

There are loads of mental illnesses around due to toxic pollution, so these abductions could just be imagined. If they were here, our technology is so far away from practical interstellar travel that we would probably seem about as smart as chimps or rodents to them, so they would see no problem with performing experiments on animals, just like us.

Crop circles are too often hoaxes to be relied upon. The cost of building a pyramid today would be billions just for the labour. But back then, slave labour was cheap, and architects had to really smart. Brunel, who lived 2 centuries ago, designed a propeller that was 95% as accurate as one designed by a modern computer. He didn't even have a pocket calculator. Pythagoras developed the theorem that allows you to measure the height of any building with only a wooden protractor. Such challenges as moving the stone was just an easy part of the work.

I see no reason why they have to be like us. We are nothing like sea-lions. Why should they be like us? If we are endangered, who knows? Maybe we will fare little better than other endangered species, like the Dodo. Maybe they will save a few pairs and put us in a Zoo.

I wouldn't bet on anything, either way. But one things I do know, they got here, they can travel a lot quicker than we can. So they're smarter than us.
 godddesss13

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Posted: 9/26/2007 3:43:12 AM
I notice that many in this thread believe that most crop circles are hoaxes... and too easily explained away. Yes, there have been a FEW hoaxes... but only a few... and with the level of scientific research at every new crop circle, the hoaxes are very easy to spot.

The REAL crop circles usually have a heightened level of electromagnetic energy inside the circle. They also have what is refered to as "node anomalies" ... where the crop itself appears to have been exposed to extreme heat.
Here is a link to the Canadian Crop Circle Research site http://www.cccrn.ca/science.html

In most things, the people on these forums do their research, I am surprised it wasn't done this time. There is scientific evidence that crop circles are real... not sure about aliens, but I believe they exist. I am not so vain as to believe we are the ONLY intelligent life in the universe. Neither am I so vain as to define that life by the terms of what MY level of knowledge can define.
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 andimatter

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Posted: 9/26/2007 8:35:42 AM
If there were/are Aliens, and it's unreasonable to come down either way on that one, as
there are so many things we know; and also a magnitude of others we intuitively feel
we don't.. then it might be a bit forward to believe that aliens are wanting to buzz round
the universe, in some form of 'Star Treking', appealing as this is to our own Primate
sense of Inquisitiveness, aliens might be so alien that there objectives and priorities
may be completely different to the human attributes we would have projected on them as
a fundamental. Of course I might be completely wrong and they are as inquisitive after
all; thats the great thing about Alien stuff, like science fantasy we can make whatever
theory we like up, and it can be as divorced from reality as we know - because we
assume that lots of space can create lots of realities, Hmmm I've come to the conclusion
that the best aliens are to seen in Films and over a bag of popcorn.
 andimatter

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Posted: 9/26/2007 8:41:36 AM
Crop circles are a sure sign that Aliens have landed, They come from a particularly advanced Agrarian society, where their faster the light ships are made of sustainable
wood crops, and driven by a highly concentrated form of Corn oil, Extra-Virgin-Olive oil, if they can get there hands on it!

they have landed to steal our corn; as their planet is almost out of the stuff, and there is
a Balsamic & Ceaser Salad revolution gripping their society...

It's all true, have you noticed the increasing number of crop circles since earth has realised
Bio-fuels are the way forward.... ;-)
 FeistyFaerie

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Posted: 9/26/2007 5:27:09 PM
I'm an alien in human form....I don't like chocolate or ice cream...I can eat more salt and tuna than the average human being....but there's other aliens on this planet masquerading as humans too....those water towers? They're secretly awaiting signals from the mothership to take us back home...in the mean time, we're observing.....there's other species that do the abductions - always interfering...it's much better to observe unobtrusively....

Ok - really....it's so obtuse to think that we know anything about another life form or can even imagine where they might or might not live....I'm of the philosophy "if you can think it, it must be so somewhere"....hopefully they're smart enough to stay away from our planet until we can finally evolve past the "Squish the bug!" mentality and function as a mature and advanced society. We humans can't even live together harmoniously; how would we ever cope with a completely different species?

Maybe in my next life....but I'm still not counting on it....ooo....maybe my next life I can come back in my alien world....
 Mechdemon

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Posted: 9/26/2007 6:38:08 PM
We make two assumptions in this question:

1) Aliens will be benevolent. We assume that a race with advanced technology and interstellar 'experience' will also be more enlightened than we are, willing to give a guiding hand to a race just fumbling toward the stars...a mentor/student realationship if you will.
There is no reason to believe that this will be true; See human history for examples of what happens when technologically superior cultures encounter more primitive ones. Add the fact that we are dealing with truly alien intelligences that we cannot easily fathom, and it becomes a crap shoot.

2) Aliens will want to/be able to contact us. They will have methods of travel that defy the vastness of interstellar space, flitting between innumerable galaxies in their search for young intelligent races to enlighten.

Please indulge me in this next quote:
"Space," it says, " is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space"
 MrGuyCaballero

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Posted: 9/26/2007 10:47:16 PM
There are other common assumptions as well. For instance, it's often assumed that a civilization advanced enough to travel between stars and galaxies would have much (or anything) to gain from doing so. For the sake of discussion, let's say it's possible to travel close to or in excess of the speed of light. How much energy is required? It might be so much that it just isn't worth it because anything you gain from the trip pails in comparison to the energy, time, resources and effort put into the expedition.

There's also, kind of riding piggy back on the one above, an often "silent" assumption (a possibility that isn't so much dismissed as just not often considered) - that being that the ability to travel in this way is not accompanied by other advancements of equal (or near so) impressiveness and importance. Look at our technological advancements. When we make advancements in one area, they are accompanied by, bleed into or seed other advancements in other fields. Imagine a civilization so dramatically ahead of us as what we're talking about here. For them, which would make more sense - make the things they need (everything from food to entertainment or items of curiosity, from custom-designed animal species to livable environments, etc.) using materials closer to them, or travel great distances to find them in what would probably be some intermediate stage of usability that would still need further development before being truly the end product they desire? I don't know the answer to that, but I lean towards the former.
 ~DREAMS~

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For the sake of discussion, let's say it's possible to travel close to or in excess of the speed of light. How much energy is required? It might be so much that it just isn't worth it because anything you gain from the trip pails in comparison to the energy, time, resources and effort put into the expedition.


I will start by saying i am by no means any expert in this area but....

This may be just a different way of looking at it. Your statement assumes that one would need to travel extremely fast in order to travel to a different area within the universe.

What if it is not as complicated as that? I mean what if different planes of existence are simply layered in a step type pattern. Like a layered effect of multiple planes layering and overlapping each other. That layering would allow reaching into the far reaches.

Kinda like the people that ASSUMED the world was flat because they could only see what was in front of them by looking horizontally. So even though it APPEARED to be flat and stretching outward in a strait line depending on what direction you looked and traveled, it was actually curved and spherical.

So if someone was simply able to move from one plane to another plane or dimension, then to reach to a different area of the universe all you would need to do is simply transfer to the correct plane at the correct time.

Yes I know this thought is very out there, so are most ways of thinking at first. Since your just transferring to a different plane of existence that means no speed of light or greater travel ever needed to take place.

So thinking this way in order to travel this way you would need to A. find a way to transfer matter between planes and or dimensions. Then B. Discover how to be able to calculate the address codes for the future layer for the dimension you wish to travel to. Then C. Discover which Layers/Dimensions it would take to travel through in order to get from point A to point B.



-----A-------------------

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---------------------B---

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So in this example you have point A being planet A and then you have point B being planet B by looking at this there are layers between them and within the layers are many different dimensions. The dimensions are the other dots on each layer/plane

Lets say if you wanted to travel from planet A to planet B all you needed to do to navigate within the universe was to calculate what dimensions are between the A and B (IE all the little dots that separate the 2 points)

All you would be doing is simply moving matter from one dot to another in a preset sequence. Your not traveling fast at all. So basically what you end up doing is simply bending the points A and B together.

Just a weird one of my thoughts
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Posted: 9/27/2007 8:09:52 AM
Im not sure about Aliens as beings living on other planets altough I am very opened to the suggestion...what I really believe exists are Aliens as beings living in a dimension parallel to us and that sometimes, in very strange circumstances, can interact with us...I believe more in the possibility of spirits and such beings....
 MrGuyCaballero

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Posted: 9/27/2007 9:19:31 AM
To Whereis,

That's why I use words like "might" and admit I don't know the answers for sure. But then, if your model were to be workable, it's still possible that that would also require a lot of energy. And you're back again to the question, "What else has that civilization learned?" If they have mastered the manipulation of the universe's rules to a great degree, they may be able to just easily produce what they want out of what's already at hand. Again, I'm not claiming that'd definitely be the case. We can't really know. I'm just saying that a civilization capable of interstellar/intergalactic travel may not have good reasons to actually do it. It might not make economic sense.

On the other hand, even if it didn't make economic sense, curiosity might still drive them to do it anyway. Imagine the following possible scenario. This civilization explores the universe for some amount of time and then stops at some point because the energy economics don't work and the novelty has worn off. A civilization like this may not prove to be much of a threat to us or others due to their high level of technical ability. They may not need anything from us or our planet. But there still could be a threat from another possible scenario.

What if the civilization that creates this technology dies out for some reason and another civilization - one less advanced - discovers their technology? They may figure out how to travel to distant places using their predecessors' technology but not figure out how to use their production technology. So, they could wind up in a technologically imbalanced situation where their ability to travel far exceeds their ability to produce the things they need. In that case, they may decide to go somewhere else in the universe and take those things by whatever means necessary.
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Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 9/27/2007 3:53:48 PM

Are aliens real?
Do you actually think we are the only specs of life in all the universes?
If you are talking about intelligent life on planets other than our own, I would say there is a very good chance of it. Given the amount of stars in this galaxy alone, there have to be a number of planets that are habitable. And if there are other habitable planets than our own, then there is the possibility of life on other planets. So, there is the chance.

These are questions people have been trying to answer since the UFO crash in Mexico. But are they true?
I am hesitant to agree with your assumption that the balloon crash in New Mexico was aliens. There is too much proof to disprove this conspiracy theory. And if by using the Pyramids, crop circles, Stonehenge, etc., as examples of "alien visitation" you are suggesting that these"aliens" have visited our spec of dust on the outskirts of the galaxy, I would have to say not very likely. Even with energy generated "wormholes" as a means of travelling through space, why would they come here? We are but a small, insignificant star in a universe of possibilities.

Are abductions true?
No. They are a fabrication of the abductee's imagination. Even if hypnosis was used to ascertain what happened, the brain is not as infallible as a memory cache as some people think.

"Are they something like human beings?"
To use your own words.....

Maybe. Who really knows?
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