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Joined: 9/15/2007
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 9/27/2007 8:38:30 PM | Do they exist?
Given that there are billions of worlds, and we know that life (in so many wildly different forms) can exist on some (ours), it is virtually a certainty.
However, given the distances between solar systems, and the multitude of ways that it can exist... (we can only see something like 1% of the full light spectrum) I would estimate that the chances of someone seeing us (and us seeing them), analyzing us, and wanting to stop by and say hello are pretty slim. If I was an alien, I wouldn't.
Although I might mess with people. Put some real crop circles right next to some fake ones. In lewd shapes.
Or snatch Michael Richards. Drop him off in the middle of the next Million Man March.
Or maybe sew an extra nose on Michael Jackson. So what if he tells everyone an alien did it? Who's going to believe him?
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Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 52 | |
| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 9/27/2007 8:40:31 PM |
No. They are a fabrication of the abductee's imagination. Even if hypnosis was used to ascertain what happened, the brain is not as infallible as a memory cache as some people think. It's actually a form of hypnosis that gets the brain to believe it happened in the first place. Ever notice that the aliens they describe always resemble aliens from a movie or TV? | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 9/27/2007 9:20:57 PM | The title of this thread proposes a false dilemma...that aliens are fact or fiction.
The current and factual assertion would be "undetermined but statistically likely". | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 10/23/2007 12:37:35 PM | Hello
Can I suggest that you break your post down into different threads. There are many different issues in your post, each of which could be discussed independently of all the others. I'm confused now!
As for aliens. Klatuu barada nikto.
cheers
J | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 10/23/2007 4:34:15 PM | I posted a pic on my bio that looks kind of alien....freaky in fact. And NO...it is NOT photoshopped. The picture has not been altered in anyway, it is posted just the way it was taken.
Anyhow's....aliens seem to be invading all kinds of things in life, from stories, cartoons, movies, videos, dolls for sale on e-bay, you name it!
Maybe we are being prepared for the visits...so we don't automatically reach for the shotgun, or run screaming about Martians. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 10/24/2007 7:02:11 AM |
Scientists believe that life exists on one of Jupiter's moons, Europa
Not quite. It is believed that life COULD exist on Europa. Also Mars and Titan, though Europa tops the list. For a scientist to believe that something exists, he would have to have evidence that it does, not evidence that it's possible.
where you have water, there is a definite possibility of life. europa is covered by ice, but how deep? even if it is completely frozen, who can say that a bioloical creature couldn't emerge from it? | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 10/24/2007 7:12:23 AM |
The title of this thread proposes a false dilemma...that aliens are fact or fiction.
The current and factual assertion would be "undetermined but statistically likely".
Precisely.
I will just clarify though, they are likely on their own planets.........not ours. Yes, I know the arguments, I've seen Bush in press conferences.............but I STILL refuse to beleive he's escaped from Area 51 and taken control of his former captors. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 10/24/2007 11:48:16 AM | the first question you asked was about destruction.
why is it that things we don't know about, we would rather destroy than study?
the universe is ever expanding and the milky way is only a miniscule portion of it. of all the billions of planets in the millions of galaxies we are the only ones that exist, that would seem an extremely vain though.
they could exist, whether they could or would want to understand or communicate with us is really up to them. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 10/25/2007 3:27:04 AM | Are aliens real? If so, are they here to destroy our world and take everything away from us?
Considering that they are obviously superior and advance in technology than us, if they have a sinister motive, then they would have done that while they still have the element of surprise a long time ago. I am inclined to speculate that they are curious observers from another dimension or perhaps they are worm-hole-hopping -yuppies vacationers who came here to sample our beers. LOL This is the reason why they probably crash in roswell in the first place ( DUI )
Most people don't believe in UFOs, they are more for religion based therories
Most people don"t believe in UFOs until they have a close encounter of their own. I use to be a skeptic, now im looking for other people to compare notes with.
I pose the question: "Are they something like human beings?"
I could not tell you because there is this thing on the brain that prevents you to remember what is way too much for you to handle and still keep sane. All I and the two other guys im with could remember was, it was 4:00 pm and the sun was still high when it suddenly appeared on the sky from nowhere going towards north then made a 90 degree turn towards us and stop directly above us. We stood there stiff scared of our wits couldn't move, then when we were finally able to move, the sun has already set. This happened on a farm besides a military base. Even the people on the store nearby saw it too.
Now I pose my own question,
A word of caution, some people might find this too hard core, for this I apologize in advance.
1.) Does anybody here know of anybody who has seen a mother ship do a warp move?
2.) Does anybody here knows of anybody who has seen a "beam-me-up-scottie move?
3.) Does anybody here know of anybody who have been having encounters precisely every decade? | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 10/25/2007 3:47:08 AM | Well I would like to share MY experience of alien abduction.
It is all a little hazy, but driving through Milton Keynes one day towards a roundabout, and the earth started to shake quite a lot.........from the centre of the roundabout rose a Ship with no visible means of propulsion. It was camaouflagued to look like a concrete bullring. I pulled over.....and the ship started moving towards me at about 40ft............it physically lifted me and my car into its cargo hold which was filled with white light. at this point I lost consciousness.........but I am plagued with dreams of waking to find frank sinatra being played at me, with small slightly rubbery looking creatures at my side, studying me and making little notes on clipboards. The WORST experience of my life. One of them anally probed me, but this was ok because I've always been obsessed with being probed by aliens, probably due to some latent homosexuality. Anyway, I lost consciousness again and woke up in my car with a slight suntan. The whole experience seems ethereal.........as though it didnt exist, as though it never happened.........and lately I have realised that it never DID happen, and that in fact I am an underachiever with a low education, low salary and little in the way of scientific knowledge. I realise that as I have no outlet for my limited ambition, I made it all up in my head!!!
How bizarre eh? | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 10/31/2007 12:31:58 AM | If aliens really exsist and they are higher intelligent, I doubt they would want anything to do with us. Do I think they exsist? I can't say no, with all the galaxies out there unexplored. Finding them though, would much be like a needle in a haystack. Maybe the more imporant question is, Do you want aliens to exsist?  | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 10/31/2007 10:14:22 PM | The very concept of aliens is alien to me. If they are life forms, they are not aliens, not matter what planet they live in or come from. The issue is whether we will grant them visas to Earth!
On the other hand, we from Europa are indeed aliens in a way. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 11/2/2007 12:13:28 AM | More importantly why do we waste so many resources on such an unimportant topic. Who cares.
A side note if the aliens had anything to do with building the pyramids near mexico city I would be amazed since the the things are neither level nor square. I've been there. Clearly laid out and built by a low tech society. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 11/2/2007 6:08:11 AM | One of the surest proofs that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe, is the fact that none has ever tried to contact us.
I forget where I read that.
To unusualguy.......WELL???
Did you get the girl back? Curious minds want to know. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 11/2/2007 8:15:58 AM | Just want to share something!
Saw this on the profile of one of the person who posted something here.
"'Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.' Ferris Bueller. On his day off. There's true wisdom there!.
So may I suggest to those people who is looking for evidence - Idle the motors of your mind and look up to the sky, maybe you'll get lucky and see one of those CHARIOTS OF FIRE or maybe the PILLARS OF LIGHT (what ppl call the cigar shape mother ship) | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 11/2/2007 8:52:14 AM | | Seriously: In the grand scheme of Universal things (Big Bang, Grand RIP, Meteor risks, etc) does it really matter whether Aliens (from/in other planets) exist or not and why? If we establish that it matters, then IMO it should make sense to discuss whether they exist or not (eg Rosewell). | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 11/2/2007 5:57:53 PM | | I dont believe some who see something or experience an unusual event are lying. Please listen even if you disagree, There are spiritual beings who are fallen angles that were once in heaven along with satin. When satin rebelled(tried to set himself up like the Most High-God) he was removed from his high position along with 1/3 of the angles that tried to help satin. I believe they are responsible for the ufo phenomenon and any e.t. beings. Why? to decieve Gods creation, by a supernatural lie, to turn them away from Him. Paul the apostle said, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed). I cant confirm this but i heard of a story that took place in a school yard in England, 4th and 5th graders reported seeing an object land in a field behind the school, as they watched, beings came out and walked toward them and stoped. The students said they spoke to them in english and simply said "Jesus is not the only way to heaven". Then turned and got back in the object and left. As the students were questioned, they all they all heard and seen the same thing. Now, Jesus said no one goes to the Father but by him. Was he just a good man, or a profit? If he was not who he said he was, then that makes him a lier. He cant be both. Thanks, U R Special! | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 11/2/2007 6:25:01 PM | We are all special creations from the hand of the Almighty, no one has the right to make us out as any thing less! Jeremiah 1:5/ Job 31:15. He loves, He forgives. U R Scecial! Thanks, this is my view.  | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 11/5/2007 9:24:25 AM | Forgive me but I'm inclined to doubt that story about something landing behind the school and talking to 4th and 5th graders. For one thing they should have been scared of those being and the natural tendency for them is to run away not to talk to them. If they were angels from the dark side of the force, they would have been more scary. I know this fact because i was once a student of the occult and mysticism. I was just curious how they do their stuff and how they operate.
What do you think of the chariots of fire that took Elijah? The Pillar of fire that guided the Israelites during the exodus? The star that the three kings saw and guided them to where Jesus Christ whereabouts? The fallen one said He will establish his kingdom in the north- (according to a story who is I think out to replace the true meaning of christmas) theres this guy who lives in the north with elves as his helpers. If you scramble the letters of his name....it will spell the name of the fallen one. Pretty scary or maybe I just have a wild imagination.
I apologize to all who might be offended by this. You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 11/5/2007 11:22:00 AM | Taking my cue from a couple of the posts above, I am now pretty sure that alien overlord (and Antichrist) Santi (from the planet X, thus "X-mas") wants to wrap us up in toasty red blankets of evil, delivered to our houses via a chariot of fire (sleigh led by a red nose), itself pulled by the hounds of Hell (reindeer).
Sorry to be so sarcastic, but these stories and conjectures seem to be every bit as lacking in real evidence and logic as the shoddy conspiracy theories that are sometimes espoused here. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 11/11/2007 2:05:01 PM | Hi,
Aliens are most probably some hoax.
Human-gorillas worshipped fire as a god.
Romans worshipped every thing as having a god (rocks, sky, ect...).
Catholicism became monotheist.
There was a pause because of the numerous abuse of the church.
People see aliens as gods but label it science.
Eras bring about different superior beings in our beliefs.
There are many reasons to deny extra-terrestrial life. Here are only a few...
-How many different lifeforms are there on Earth? So many - and most of them all have difference - these have come upon with needs. Fish in the dark will have some sort of sonar, porcupine being small send darts, ect...almost ad infinitum... Yet, aliens almost look like humans - the common image for them - two eyes like us, two hands like us, ect... How could being from another World, another gravitational World, ect...who knows what - be so close to our own shape?
-Some people say that there are too many galaxies and even more planets that life elsewhere has to exist. Yet, out of 8 billion people or so - there are no two fingerprints alike that have been found - so why a number of almost infinite (? and we don't know that for sure) planets contain life? You can play all your life at lottery and never win.
-In today's age where almost everyone has a camera - phone that can take pic, cameras smaller than lighters, ect..., why isn't there ONE single picture that can prove beyond a doubt that an engine made by inelligent lifeforms comes to visit once in awhile?
...and these are the tip of the iceberg - ICEBERGS... However, it's not that there cannot be life - it's more like, it's not proven yet.
Friend. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 11/12/2007 6:28:52 PM | | i find people that do not believe there are others in the vast universe vastly closed minded and a bit delusional, why would we be the only form of intelligent life in this vast universe? that is just absurd, i am not trying to say they are trying to kill or abduct us for breeding purposes, keep an open mind here a bit, maybe we as a people on earth have in the future have mastered the time space continuum? the ufo's can be vehicles they use to travel these planes of existance and who now may live in other parts of the universe, who really knows, but why could it not happen, they said we would never get to the moon or travel at the speed of sound, hmm, make you think a bit here? | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 11/14/2007 3:29:20 PM | i spent an hour last night creating a new thread, to lay out the entire case for why this answer is yes- fact. but the thread was promptly deleted.. perhaps too long and extensive, too much caps usage, who knows.
Anyway, if you are really interested in knowing the truth about this subject, you must be willing to look for the evidence, because it is not handed to us 'on a silver platter' through the mainstream media like we are conditioned to believe. There are descision making forces at work that the masses do not understand. We are not given all the information that would benefit humanity. If you can undertand this, then you probably wont ever see the 'big picture'.
The 2 biggest topics of evidence to support this reality are A. -Archeological dating back 5,000+ BC, (pyramids, Stonehenge etc. as these had a level of precision, through mathematics and geometry that could not even be duplicated today) and B. - the 450 High Ranking Government and military whistleblowers who can attest to this reality, and their various levels of involvement in reverse-engineering the anti-gravity and electro-gravidic propulsion systems that UFOs and ETs use. Hint - The secrecy is to hide the technology, not the Aliens themselves.
In order to truly grasp the extensive amount of information available on this subject, I'm going to help point you in the right direction.. our corporate media is very tightly controlled, and there are vested interests that have no desire to release this to the public directly, you have to find it for yourselves, and come to your own conclusions. Eventually it becomes painfully obvious that the question is not 'are we alone in the universe'? because the reality is ... we have never been alone.
1. Ancient history is littered with references of 'beings who have descended from heaven' bringing great technology and information to the people' this can even be found in the Bible. Google these terms to read more.. Sumeria, Babylon, Nephilim, Annunaki, Zachariah Sitchin, Nibiru
www.ufoevidence.org (huge database of sightings, cases, and research)
www.ufocasebook.com
www.ufoartwork.com (UFOs appear in religus art and paintings back to 10,000BC)
www.ancientX.com (forbidden history and Archeology you won't learn in school)
2. The Rosewell UFO crash in 1947 really happened. Since then, there are plenty of whistleblowers that used to work on ET interaction at various levels, some covering it up(men in black), some working on the technology, some as contractors, whom have come forward, and testified under oath, on camera. Millions of UFO sightings also happen every year by very credible people. Google names like Bob Lazar, Ret. Army General Clifford Stone, Dr. Steven Greer, David Adair, Michael Salla PhD, just to name a few. Then do a google video search for 'NASA UFOs' and 'fastwalkers'. The evidence here is overwhelming, and this is only the tip-of-the-iceberg, so take it seriously.
www.disclosureproject.org (the unofficial effort to release this to the public)
www.mt.net/~watcher/phils.html (underground bases and secret military projects)
www.exopolitics.org
www.majesticdocuments.com (hundreds of the govt's own documents admitting to ETs, smuggled or released through the freedom of information act)
3. Mainstream movies and Television nowadays are chuck full of references towards alien life interacting with humanity. Understand these ideas and concepts come from actual truth, while it is fed to the public as only science fiction. 'The System' has subliminally told us how things really are this way for over 50 years; the truth is slowly coming out, don't be the last to realize it. Men in Black, War of the Worlds, E.T., Close encounters of the Third kind, Alien vs Predator, Independence Day, Transformers, and the list goes on.. Notice a theme..? Aliens are always portrayed in a negative way.. In reality, they are watching to make sure we dont destroy the planet, and we dont kill ourselves off, and we dont take nukes into space!! Most ETs are benevolent, and care about our advancement and the planet. 'The System' puts them in negative light to brainwash us, and keep us in fear, and keep most unnaware.."oh thats just sci-fi non-sense" . This is an injustice to humanity (and the aliens! lol)
4. Re-Cap. of evidence... examine and research the following.. Alien abduction phenomenon, Crop Circles, Ancient Texts/Civilizations, Faked Moon Landings, NASA's own transmissions and Video (plenty on youtube), Military Whistle blowers, Alien Autopsy, Advanced Archeology, Advanced Technology, Zero-Point, Anti-Gravity.. etc. etc. Those who are so quick to say "there is no evidence", have chosen not to look for it!
Hopefully this will help point some of you [whom are ready] in the right direction. I did not write this to convince anyone of anything, just to shed additional light on a reality that has been under our noses since the conception of our existence.
Here is a link to the very best documentary out right now to lay this all out for you with actual witnesses and evidence, on many levels. But this is only one of many, just my personal favorite because of its flow and detail. If you don't give it a chance, then you don't care enough, and are not ready for the truth. Notice this vid is rated a solid 5 stars of 5 stars, with over 1200 votes, and 285,000 viewings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qns2W6CVpPw | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 11/16/2007 11:49:57 PM | I believe it is possible intelligent life exists in the universe. It is also possible aliens may have been here in the past or (more likely, given the vast distances in space) sent a probe to investigate the solar system. But there is very clearly no good scientific evidence alien life exists on other planets, in other form. Life may have existed on Mars and meteorites (as bacteria) and also on other planets, given what we know about how life probably arose on Earth.
As for aliens being here now, that cannot be ruled out, but there is not solid evidence they exist or have visited Earth. I think if aliens were here, they would make their prescence known, unless if they were so above us in intelligence they are no more concerned with us than we are with ants. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 11/17/2007 1:55:40 AM |
there is not solid evidence they exist or have visited Earth.
over 400 Current and Former Government Witnesses [pilots, Astronauts, Generals, Admirals, FAA, etc] attesting [on camera under oath] to their involvement in ET projects and technology over the last 70 years isn't credible enough evidence?
Corporate news hasn't been allowed to show us this information until the last 6 months. Larry King on CNN - just had a show with some of these witnesses.. after the show the online pole showed 89% now believe in ET life and interaction with earth. Time to open our eyes people. Here's a link to that too, even though only a fraction of you will actually give it a chance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEGBNbqBWeU | |
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