| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/25/2008 9:30:42 AM | Probably a fact.
But the distances involved are too great for them to be anything than other beings looking at their sky wondering about aliens.... | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/26/2008 10:36:55 AM | | But pulling random statistics out of ones ass isn't real proof that they are so far away that they'll never reach us no matter how advanced. For all we know there are many planets with life within a 100 light year radius of us. Yes I pulled that figure out of my ass just like Drake with his equation. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/26/2008 10:48:07 AM | Just on a note - as my knowledge of astronomy is very poor. Is the distance between planets expanding? or have they found them coming back on themselves or what?
As this may relate to the question about how easy it is to find life. I know it was accepted that the solar system was expanding but it changes all the time. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/26/2008 8:44:08 PM | Life has been on this planet for many millions of years, perhaps hundreds of millions. To think that we are the only life that has found a way to leave this planet is foolish. Our existence has been but a speck in time.
If the truth were reveled, it could have horrific consequences; perhaps even destroy our entire star system. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/27/2008 9:21:42 AM | Two Hawks takes the Talking Stick:
I am a field investigator for MUFON (Mutual UFO Network). I have been to sites where there were large indentations in the ground that were not made by equipment that we are familiar with. On each of these sites there was low to medium Gieger Counter readings meaning that radioactive traces were left behind. or somehow left there in an area where no other radioactive material was found. We can only presume that these were landing sites for UFO's.
I have also interviewed people that have had a "lost time" experience and they have shown me marks on their bodies that they have no clue as to how they got there. These marks are the ones called "scoop marks" where, one must presume, a skin sample was taken. The interesting part about this is....these people I interviewed were from different parts of the country, but the scoop marks were almost all identical and in the same place on the body. The right leg, below the knee. I have seen pictures of scoop marks on other areas of the body, but they are usually right leg, below the knee, so there is some consistancy there.
Now these people didn't say they saw an Alien, but all of them said they felt a presence of someone, or something during their lost time experience. I firmly believe these people were telling me the truth and that this wasn't a fabrication to gain recognition. Their stories were almost identical and they were from different parts of the country. So the question here would be....how can these people all have a matching story and matching body marks without having been abducted?
So for those of you who don't think Aliens exist and are not coming here for some unknown purpose. Guess again.
Two Hawks passes the Talking Stick | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/27/2008 7:47:30 PM | ^^^^^^^^
Ummm..Let's see:
1) Tens of thousands of CCTV systems worldwide.No aliens spotted.
2) Hundred of thousands of amateur astronomers worldwide:No aliens spotted.
3) Thousand of reports of alien "encounters.": No pictures,films.video,etc of these "encounters"
4) People that have experienced "lost time.": All report the same or similar experiences (not a good sign) and none report NOT believeing in UFO's and/or other unearthly phenomenon.
There are many more items...but I think you can see where I'm going w/ this...
If UFO's were/are "alien spacecraft" there should be ample visual evidence from impartial sources...a great deal of physical evidence from "encounters" (alien DNA,unknown chemicals/metals,etc).......and certainly more reports from CREDIBLE witnesses (i.e. ones NOT predisposed to believing in "aliens" or "alien encounters".
If there were similar earthly phenomenon,w/ the same paucity of evidence,it would be largely dismissed.
Why shouldn't UFO's be as well? | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/27/2008 9:26:16 PM | Two Hawks takes the Talking Stick:
I know a gentleman in California who was a B-25 bomber pilot inWW2. He was stationed at Roswell, NM in 1947 when the UFO crashed there and was passed off as a "weather balloon". He was in on that event. I asked him: "Ted...was it really a "weather balloon"? His answer: "Not on your life!" If you still don't believe UFO's exist....I suggest reading "THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL" by Colonel Philip J. Corso, US Army, Retired. This retired officer was in Army Logistics at Fort Riley Kansas when the debris from the UFO passed through there on the way to Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. I have a friend who was stationed at Wright Patterson. He told me of one hangar there that was guarded 24/7 by 4 armed guards with orders to use deadly force if necessary for trespassers. That's where the debris from the Roswell crash was stored until Area 51 came to be.
So you non believers....go right on ahead and don't believe UFO's exist. THEY DO! Air Force Base Commanders usually DON'T a scramble fighter jets for weather phenomenon, or "reflections". | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/27/2008 9:38:43 PM | ^^^^^^
USAF vet here.
That's Hangar 18 at Wright-Patterson.
And that's a myth that's been debunked long ago.
Never said UFO didn't exist.
Said that w/ no evidence (other than questionable books and rumors) it's likely that they are just explainable objects that are misidentified.
Or hallucinations.
Or fabrications.
Take your pick. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/27/2008 10:32:32 PM | 19 June 1997 Lights appear over Phoenix and remain stationary for about three hours
Fighter jets scrambled...pilots report back "Triangular and huge" Military covers with a fictitious "dropping flares" story.
http://www.lightsoverphoenix.com/home.html# | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/27/2008 10:40:42 PM | Yes...I'm aware of the lights over Phoenix.
They were shown to be flares from military aircraft.
An object the size of the object over Phoenix would have shown up on a number of radars throughout the area.
It did not.
Why use radar-evading technology and then allow your craft to be SEEN?
Again...the most common explanation is usually the most reasonable one. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/27/2008 11:48:55 PM | They were "passed off" as flares fired by the military...but a lot of these "flares" sat motionless in the sky and were not dropping as flares would have. I have seen the videos on this. I have heard the pilots radio transmissions to the base on this. The Air Force member that reported this to the UFO reporting Center in Seattle was suddenly transferred to another base and no one knows where except Air Force officials and they aren't talkiing!
Of course it didn't show up on any radar! They have ways to mask an approach and they can get here without being seen on radar. The Stealth Bomber and Fighter can do that too.
Let me ask you this. I know of something that you cannot see. It makes noise and can travel at speeds in excess ot 150 miles an hour and can cause damage. Would you believe such a thing exists? | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/28/2008 8:02:06 AM | Sure.
It's called the atmosphere.
It's also a gas...and as of yet it shows no signs of having intelligent design or influence.
This is radically different than saying an "alien spacecraft" hovered over a major American city.....and was unnoticed by devices that are created to notice airborne objects.
Also something being "motionless" is a matter of perspective as well objectivity.
To a person on the ground a skydiver appears to falling.
When you are skydiving you appear to be flying.
Do UFO'S exist?
Certainly.
Are the overwhelming majority of them misidentified but common objects?
Probably.
Until SOLID evidence is brought forward (i.e. video evidence from,indisputable sources,an actual alien or alien spacecraft,etc) by credible sources,then UFO's (to me at least) will always be people mistaking common objects or fabricating experiences. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/28/2008 9:27:53 AM | Suggested reading:
"THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL" by Philip J. Corso, Colonel, US Army Retired | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/28/2008 5:28:05 PM | There's a theory that suggests that Life was actually brought to the primordial Earth via comets carrying complex organic based molecules from Outer Space.
So that said, we could in fact be "Aliens" too.
Anyway the Universe is sooo damn large... I think most people I come across just don't really appreciate just how DAMN vast it is... It is truly mind boggling!... So if other Life forms didn't exist out there... Then why the heck do we primitive Humans have all this damn space?
It's almost a given now that planets exist around other star systems (and there's a lot of indirect evidence which backs that claim up), so sure. We don't have any direct proof as yet, but I for one would like to think that "something" is out there.
Anyway, this story is JUST beginning now to be honest, ever since during the last century, we have learned sooo much about the Universe and Human evolution. So my advice, don't place your bets just yet.  | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/28/2008 6:11:12 PM |
There's a theory that suggests that Life was actually brought to the primordial Earth via comets carrying complex organic based molecules from Outer Space.
There is also another theory about how we got here. Science has been looking for the "missing link" for years and have yet to find it. Close...but no cigar! This theory is that we were genetically engeneered and brought here some five hundred thousand years ago...after the dinosaur age. A good book to read on this is "KEEPERS OF THE GARDEN" by Dolores Cannon (Ozark Mountain Publishers - 1993) Ms. Cannon is a Regression Therapist. She takes people back to past lives. (Yeah! I know! Some of you don't believe in reincarnation and that we've been here before in another life and time!)
This theory says that we were genetically engineered and brought here and that those who did this are keeping an eye on us....hence the visitations of Aliens. There are also unproven thoughts that now....they are genetically engineering more because they may have found another "little blue marble" like Earth and they are going to populate it. Again....this is just a theory. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/28/2008 7:05:21 PM | Mmmm... That IS a stretch of the imagination there... Human Beings being genetically "engineered"... But one that certainly can't be ruled out (nor in) 100%.
I'm a big fan of Arthur C. Clarke's 2001 and 2010 films, which depicted hominids being "goaded" into self awareness by a black rectangular monolith.
Sure is an interesting theory anyway and one that creates even more questions than answers LOL. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/29/2008 9:27:55 AM | There is no real evidence in society to prove that aliens from another world - you're writing of - do exist. Most of the content in your thread derives from movies and the mass media.
On the other hand, to think that there isn't other life forms in our universe or beyond, would be foolish as well. Some people convince themselves that if they can't see, touch, feel, hear or smell it, then it doesn't exist. There is much more to just the senses as with humans using only 10% of their brain.
My belief is that they're could be (and very well may be) life beyond our little world. To speculate that earth is the only planet that contains life would suggest one to have a closed mind. With all that we have discovered in space, we can only see so far with the great advances we contain at present. We are at a stopping point but how do we know what's beyond that road block (or black hole.) No one does.
With the evolving of our brains and the inventions of even more advanced technology, we could one day find absolute evidence that extraterrestrial life, whether it be a simple organism or in 'human' form, does exist. Then to this other life, we would be the aliens from another planet.
Lets give thought to what you're stating is true. Then these life forms have a greater brain than we humans do which can conclude that they've evolved much longer than we have. Their body structure may be different than ours due to their adaption of their enviroment. As with Darwin's theory, survival of the fittess or natural selection. Supposing these aliens have been around since the construction of the pyramids, then certaintly they hold no threat to us and would not prefer to come in contact with humans. After thousands of years, one would assume they basically study planet earth so what's there to fear. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/29/2008 9:40:12 AM |
There is much more to just the senses as with humans using only 10% of their brain.
Actually that's not a scientific fact...that's an old saying.
No one is exactly sure how much of our brain is used at any given time.
And as an aside....if aliens could not be perceived using our senses or current sensory-enhancing equipment, the it would be as if they didn't exist.
Wouldn't it? | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/29/2008 2:57:55 PM |
And as an aside....if aliens could not be perceived using our senses or current sensory-enhancing equipment, the it would be as if they didn't exist.
Wouldn't it?
That's a logical conclusion - that is - a logical human conclusion.
Aliens are not such a joke these days... I would like to think we have grown up scientifically and spiritually in the last 50 years. There’s a mass of support/theories for life other than what we are capable of perceiving. Humans wouldn't be able to travel faster than the speed of light, and even if we could, it would still take several life times to reach another solar system. BUT of course, we are thinking in human terms. We Humanize everything, including God! Lol!
Incidentally, if God exists, even in this humanized form we falsely proclaim, it would have to be the Ultimate Alien! | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/29/2008 10:07:15 PM | Msg 6 > Baco Negg
Aliens are invisible to us, but we are visible to them. They do not come from distant planets but from dimensions of which we are unaware. UFO aliens are fiction. Supernatural aliens are real, but beyond our detection. We can infer their existence by telltale traits, such as their penchant for stuffing car keys in couch cushions.
You say here that UFO Aliens are fiction. You are very wrong on that. After the UFO crash in Roswell in 1947, Military officials contacted the local mortician and requested three child sized coffins. These were to hold the dead Aliens from the crash. The mortician was not told what they were for, but he had a friend who was a nurse on the base and she told him what had been placed in the coffins. Interestingly enough everyone on the base was sworn to secrecy and that if anyone told of what had crashed, or what they had seen, serious consequences would result. Right after the woman had told the mortician what had been placed in the coffins....she vanished. The mortician tried to contact her on the base, but was told she had been transferred to another base and he was not told what base she had been transferred to.
Part 2 of this:
The debris and the coffins were shipped to Wright-Patterson Air Base in Ohio. They went through Fort Riley, Kansas. Colonel Philip Corso was in Logistics there. He wrote a book on this. It's called "THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL" In this book he tells of the debris and coffins coming through Fort Riley and that one of the coffins had been opened for inspection and what they had seen in it. It was definitely not a Human!
So....saying UFO Aliens are fiction is unreal. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/29/2008 10:33:05 PM | Why use radar-evading technology and then allow your craft to be SEEN?
Hahaha! Too bad POF doesn't have a rep giving system, cocytus, because I'd definitely have given you rep for that.
The bottom line, I think, is that if a civilization has such a high level of technological sophistication that they could traverse the great expanses of space to get to us, they'd:
1. Have nothing to fear from us, so nobody should be considering that angle when deciding what to believe about their intentions in coming here or not coming here.
2. Have no need for anything we or our planet could provide. They could mine nearby objects for raw materials and synthesize other needs. Why come here to grab a bit of skin when they can design any animal they want from the ground up (or the gene, cell, etc. up...)? To think they'd develop ONLY the technology of high-speed travel doesn't make sense. Assuming a depression that shows signs of radioactivity MUST be caused by a UFO is doing a whole lot of assuming. That's not science. That's fanaticism. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/29/2008 11:00:17 PM | Msg 124
Assuming a depression that shows signs of radioactivity MUST be cause by a UFO is doing a whole lot of assuming. That's not science. That's fanaticism.
Oh! Is it now? Well then....perhaps you can explain to me what caused thse depressions in the ground. There were three of them in a triangular configuration. Each depression was about 8 to 10 inches deep and about six feet in diameter. These depressions were about 14 feet apart. Tell me what piece of equipment do we have that would make these. Also tell me why it is that we found radioactivity on the site and nowhere else in the area.
I just love you "Doubting Thomas's". You are afraid to accept the fact that UFO's DO exist...they ARE coming here....they ARE abducting us for purposes unknown!
Sleep well tonight. You may be the next to be abducted. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/29/2008 11:22:24 PM |
We Humanize everything, including God! Lol!
Incidentally, if God exists, even in this humanized form we falsely proclaim, it would have to be the Ultimate Alien!
Very, VERY good points there! That's the thing about us Humans. We always state things from our own, very limited, perspective. And you only have to look at say 99% of the science fiction movies and shows out there to see what I mean.
Aliens, if they exist, could be so far beyond our comprehension that they defy any sort of limited classification. Maybe incorporeal or based on energy. Then of course, they may well be "humanoid" and not look too dissimilar from us. So the jury is well out on that one.
But then, what about the nature of "God", if indeed Aliens do exist?
I too have great difficulty when we puny Humans have the audacity to try and define the indefinable. To try and comprehend the incomprehensible. "God", whatever the concept means (and believe me, I use that word knowing full well that I have no idea what the heck I'm talking about!), really is a totally alien concept.
Sure, we may try and use "God" for our basis of morality. And who am I say to one way or the other, but when you really think long and hard about it, you come to the realisation that Humans really know very little about the Universe, let alone "God". And in order to make sense of the HUGE gaps in our knowledge, we then in turn humanize things.
That, in my opinion, is a costly flaw. You only have to look around in the World today to see people, willing to do crazy acts, in the belief that their "God" is on their side. To be honest, I would have thought that "God" would have better things to do than get involved in the affairs of an insignificant bipedal species, whose planet orbits an unremarkable star, in a pretty run of the mill Galaxy.
Yes folks... In the cosmic stakes, we really are that small. But don't despair. The story of Humanity has just started, so let's not get ahead of ourselves and start making grandiose claims.
LOL... Sorry for my rant there... I just felt I had to take Humanity down a peg or too . We can be such an arrogant Species sometimes. | |
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| Aliens: Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 1/29/2008 11:55:37 PM | Re msg 125
I don't know what did that, if it's true. But your explanation (since we can't explain it, it must be the result of a UFO) is not logical. Why not say that since we don't know what caused the phenomenon, it must be demons, government experiments or any of the infinite amount of things someone could think of? For that matter, why don't we ascribe ALL unexplained happenings to UFO's?
Also, to address the whole missing link thing from earlier in the thread... How much evidence is needed before people believe? The skeleton of every ancestor of some currently-living human? Not gonna happen. But we actually have a good overall progression in the fossil record. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 1:19:22 AM | Msg 127
I don't know what did that, if it's true. But your explanation (since we can't explain it, it must be the result of a UFO) is not logical. Why not say that since we don't know what caused the phenomenon, it must be demons, government experiments or any of the infinite amount of things someone could think of? For that matter, why don't we ascribe ALL unexplained happenings to UFO's?
When you've been in this study as long as I have (25+ years) you get to know what type of known aircraft makes what type of landing marks. We have no aircraft with landing gear that would make the type of marks we found. The closest we come to that would be a chopper. They have both wheels and skids. We checked with the land owner on this. There had been no activity of any type in that area for well over a year other than the cattle and horses. No vehicles. No aircraft. Nothing! The military doesn't operate in that area either. We checked on that too. We also know that indentations in the ground in that pattern don't form through natural causes. So where do you go from there? you go to the next possibility. A UFO landed there for purposes unknown.
Tell me something. Why is it so difficult for you to accept the fact that UFO's do exist and that they are coming here to this planet? On a personal note....I have never seen one, but I will not rule out that they don't exist. There is too much evidence that they do and this is documented government evidence. Roswell, New Mexico is one of those documentations. Through the Freedom of Information Act you can get copies of official government documents concerning UFO's. They are, of course, blacked out and you can't read them, but if the government wasn't aware for UFO's why would there be documents on them? You can damned well bet that the government knows about them!
As I said before: Sleep well tonight. You may be the next to be abducted. | |
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