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Posted: 8/7/2007 7:58:07 PM | Whether his actions should be criminal is rather a moot point. The fact that he hasn't been charged pretty clearly indicates that the law, where he is, is not able to do so.
Not necessarily, mungojoe. Sometimes the interested parties simply don't have adequate knowledge of the law, the will to act, or an understanding of the limits of enforcement. You might recall Warren Jeffs, whose alleged crimes might well run into the thousands before becoming an FBI most wanted, or poor Laurie Show who was murdered for lack of sufficient interest in helping a victim in a legally gray situation. Sometimes people just don't know how to help themselves, or find the right angle, but it doesn't trivialize the need to discuss and clarify the extent of the law, whose spirit is often as valuable as its letter. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2007 8:27:17 PM |
Not necessarily, mungojoe. Sometimes the interested parties simply don't have adequate knowledge of the law, the will to act, or an understanding of the limits of enforcement.
That may be true in general but, in this particular case, those who seek to keep him out of Santa Clarita seem to be quite aware that there are no criminal statutes they can apply at this time.
They're pretty clear on that when explaining the civil action (restraining order) they are pursuing to enjoin him from taking pictures of children (without the parent's permission) for posting on the internet and attending certain places frequented by children.
With the amount of publicity involved it's a fairly safe bet that some local police officer or employee of the DA's office has noticed and that parents have approached law enforcement on the issue and still there is apparently no criminal action that can be taken. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2007 9:41:17 PM | To clarify my stance for the "You disagree with me, so you must be one of them!" demographic:
I honestly think that the man in question is really not a threat to children at all, for the most basic of reasons...
Anyone who's done anything involving heavy strategy (a game of chess will suffice) will tell you that it's an absolutely moronic idea to tell anyone who might have anything to do with the situation your plans, and in this case it's a flat-out explanation of how those plans can be achieved.
He's taking pictures of children, seemingly unnoticed by the parents of said children. If he's close enough to take these pictures, and apparently the parents aren't there to immediately question him or chase him off, could he not have easily grabbed one and headed for the hills by now? (And if he had, wouldn't it be pretty freakin obvious what happened to said kid when one puts "Pedophile spends lots of time in certain park taking pictures" together with "A young girl went missing in said certain park at a time we know the pedophile was there"?)
The point I'm trying to make is that by owning this site, this guy has COMPLETELY opened himself up to any and every inquiry possible. Every parent in that town probably knows exactly how he looks, how he dresses. The police are already all over him, and now we see the townspeople getting a restraining order against him...in effect, he's turned that town into the most unfriendly place for a pedophile there could be.
In summary, if he had actually done something with a child that is illegal, the DUMBEST thing he could possibly do would be to do the things he's done thus far (website, interviews, etc.). If he is truly dumb enough to not realize that, is he smart enough to be a legitimate threat? To condemn someone with your "he should die" sentiments is rather saddening. I should hope the people in your lives are more forgiving when they stumble across one of your quirks that they may find disturbing. | |
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Posted: 8/8/2007 6:14:47 AM | shigogouhou - It seems to me he's exploiting loop holes in the laws and gaining recognition for himself within the community of those who have the same mentality as he. He's literally advertising. I think he knows exactly what he's doing. And because of his cunning, he is even more dangerous. And even the most cunning criminals make mistakes and get caught. If they didn't, the prison population would be smaller. There is no proof yet that he has indeed molested any children. But how do you know he hasn't or wouldn't outside of the area he is in? Because he said he won't?
To take the actions that man has admitted taking thus far, should be a warning sign. He is not mentally stable, nor is he safe. Just by encouraging others to join in on his perversion, he is a menace to the safety of children. Has it occurred to you that he may be telling his little tale for the purpose of making people think exactly as you do at this point? How easily the wolf can fool the sheep? That he wouldn't be saying anything if he was actually doing anything wrong? That he is trying to psychologically trick everyone he apparently thinks will be blind to the possibility? Wouldn't you agree that many criminals think they are smarter than and can outwit those whom they offend? Isn't it possible that his motive is to make it so complex that his efforts will throw wrenches into the processes in place that would otherwise stop him in his tracks?
Another poster suggested locking him up in an institution to study him. That would at least be a preventative measure. But to conclude that he is simply no danger at all and ignore what he's done so blatantly already is to throw away every instinct an adult has (or SHOULD have) to protect their children. | |
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Posted: 8/8/2007 7:41:58 AM | valsalva, he claims that he's never acted out his sick desires. Yes, I know that sexual, or any other, deviancy is not a choice but a mental illness. Having been sexually abused myself as a child for years, may be affecting my opinion, but peopl like him shouldn't be allowed to reproduce and perpetuate their genes.
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 10:43:37 AM | 3rdedition nailed it right on the head.
He is taunting the legal system and exploiting the loopholes. Sooner or later though, a D.A. whom is trying to make a name for himself will find a way to bring him down. And don't think that Law Enforcement is not tracking all of his movements.
The California Courts, as of last Friday barred him from having any kind of contact with children and there is currently a restraining order in place on him that he cannot come with 10 yards of ANY minor in the state of California. Can you really sit there and throw what's legal and morally right to an angry parent who went to his "Girl Love" website and found photographs of their child on his website? If I was a parent, I couldn't even imagine what it would be like to find my child's picture on a pedophile's website.
Murder is murder, however. We are well beyond that "witch hunt" mentality in soceity today. While you cannot lock up someone for crimes they haven't yet committed, but he is a danger to children. He teaches other pedophiles how to avoid the police and stalk children "legally". If you think that one of these pedophiles won't use that knowledge to try and abduct a child the first chance they get, you are dead wrong. We have enough children who are abused as it is each year. | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 10:51:15 AM |
but I will say this: then 10 commandments say Thou Shalt Not Kill. They do NOT say Thou Shalt Not Fondle Children
That is quite possibly the single most disturbing thing that i have ever read on this site and i have been here a year and a half.
I actually cannot believe that this could be written.
Tell you what. Lets excuse the man and others like him. Let filth like him roam the streets and "fondle children". Let him show other nonces how to go and find children to look at, possibly abduct, rape and murder. Hey, lets give him his own prime time tv show!
Lets not lock him up, lets not carry on getting this filthy creatures from the holes they try and hide in and actually try and make society safe. | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 11:12:22 AM |
Engage-me You support the first amendment right of pedophiles to fantasize but not the pople who fantisize about his surmize?
What's the first amendment got to do with this? It seems that the people who are advocating killing this man are assuming he's already done something illegal. And it is NOT illegal to take pictures. But actively suggesting someone be killed IS illegal: it's called incitement.
I think the guy's an idiot. He *may* have thought he was advocating a way to channel the desire into safer areas (safer for the kids as well as the pedophile) but if so, he picked a poor way to do it.
Re: "...are (sic) laws are reactive not proactive..."
Want an example of a proactive legal system? Rent "Minority Report." Better yet, read the story.
I find it interesting that some people feel the need to name call to try to distract people from noticing that the caller can not logically justify his or her position. I guess there are a lot of emotional grade schoolers on POF. | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 11:28:59 AM |
Executing a murderer is not justified, but it is sometimes necessary for the public good. Even a pack of wolves will drive off a mad dog. If he cannot be driven away, and find his death elsewhere, then they will kill it. The rat does not steal, the cat does not murder. Each acts according to his nature. So too, it is with Man."
Ashida Kim
"I am tired of being forced into the shadows by society," Ashford said recently in an e-mail interview. "I have committed no crime, therefore there is no good reason that I should have to hide myself. As long as pedophiles continue to hide, there is no chance of them ever being accepted."...
Ashford, 35, an unemployed business consultant, is part of a pioneering group of pedophiles from around the world who also believe pedophilia is not a sexual disorder that can be cured by medication and psychotherapy. He believes, rather, that it is a sexual orientation with which he was born, and therefore, cannot deny.
http://www.nj.com/specialprojects/expresstimes/index.ssf?/news/expresstimes/stories/molesters1_otherside.html
Accepted?
That remains merely a "legality" .
Nothing to get upset about. Right??
Pedophilia "has all the same characteristics as homosexuality, transvestism, fetishism, etc.," said Dan Markussen, spokesman for the 100-member association, which was founded in 1985. "Sexual orientation is defined as a lifelong attraction, which pedophilia obviously is."
Before pointing fingers of hypocrisy, a closer look may clear the fuzz of "Moral/ Legal" sh*te.
Are you willing to "accept" it ?
This joker knows what he is doing, playing the legal system like virtuoso, who is being made the fool?
False accusations are not the same as Self Proclamation now are they? | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 11:32:27 AM | | I wonder who he thinks about when he wacks his pud...Well the fella who kept me hostage for 3 hours telling me he was going to kill me if I didn't spread my young butt cheeks for him died it was an unfortunet ending for the friggen maggot and a new beginning for me..I haven't gone one friggen day in the past 36 years without thinking about it...Living it. You have no fu*king idea just because you have a different idea of dealing with scum of the earth like this you condemn someones right to voice the idea of killing the sonofa****, and she must have been to give birth to him...I wouldn't do it unless I was to witness the abuse of a child and a police officer was not around I would still call the cops before I took action and if the poor maggot was to die, God forbid after having fallen on the ground losing his pecker in the process say 45 or 50 times and be no longer alive when they got there I'd turn myself in...Now this fella was keeping tabs on where little girls hang out and telling other molesters where they also hung out it may not have been breaking our justice systems laws, but personally it broke my laws and if the fu*ker lived here he would still be chewing on pieces of his computer..Not everyone believes in letting child molesters live to fantasy about banging our children. torturing them, killing them, and that's what they do unless you have gone through it you would never know an old friend of mine that had been kidnapped, raped, and tortured, recently drank herself to death it's not something that goes away..This guy stabbed her so many times...It's a miracle she lived through it..She asked me once about taking my molesters life I told her about it and I'll never forget her telling me I did a good thing..I went to therapy over what I did and when I feel down about it because even though someone has it comming it isn't good to have to take a life..I always remember my friend Shelia, saying it was a good thing and thanking me for all the children that couldn't..Of course God had more to do with it than me that's who I was praying too when it happened..It's one think about him comming out like he did telling everyone that's what he's into but when he posted the whereabouts of little girls he went way over the line, and in my book he deserves to scream alittle over that..Call me a hypocrite I don't care I have always believed in the right to think about torturing sex offenders. | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 11:36:24 AM | Captain Girly Girl you mentioned "Legally, that's ok, because we don't punish or prosecute people until they HAVE committd an offence." So are you saying we should just wait until someone actually commits the offense? No, if there is something that can be done to stop the person before they are commiting the crime then that should be done.
Watching, not molesting little girls, is along the same lines.
You can not allow someone to act on what they say. He is bordering on illegal. So what are you going to be telling those girls after they got molested, if that happens? That's so sad that nowadays we can not stop something because it isn't illegal but once he oversteps that line, it is.
What would you say if he was watching your children? I am sure you and many others would be singing a different tune. If we can stop someone being molested, we should. | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 12:16:00 PM |
Jack McClellan
If I'm such a threat to children, then how come I was able to attend a hundred or so family events in the Seattle area over the last 2 years, and was only kicked out of one (and not because I was doing anything illegal, but because they simply felt that I didn't fit in as an unaccompanied man). I wasn't even kicked out of the Northshore School District when I was actually there in February (they served me with a no-trespass order several weeks later -- apparently only because they didn't like my site).
Like I\\\'ve been saying in the interviews, this pedophile hysteria is way overblown: the vast majority of us with an attraction to children are no more out of control than the typical heterosexual or homosexual attracted to adults. In fact, I\\\'m thinking about starting my own day care (which I can legally do, since I'm not a convicted sex offender) to further illustrate my point, and bringing the website back in the near future (probably without the more provocative pics).
http://www.jackmcclellan.com/posting/index.php
Isn't that special?
McClellan says his purpose is to promote association, friendship and legal, consensual hugging and cuddling between men and pre-pubescent girls. He admitted to FOX News that his “age of attraction” is between 3 and 11 years old.
“I guess the main thing is I just think they’re cute, a lot cuter than women. I admit there is kind of an erotic arousal there,” McClellan said. (FOX News)
Awwwww...doesn't than just make the Grade schoolers on POF feel all warm fuzzy?
But law enforcement's hand may be tied.
"You can't arrest him for advocating," said UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3426796
Then why should others be chastised for advocating his removal from society to protect society's children?
Is that also not the reasons for having Laws?
Advocating SEX with Children and publicizing their pictures and locations is considered legally acceptable?
It is "hypocrisy" to Advocate protection of one's children from a self proclaimed pedophile who provides images of children to other predators/ potential predators?
Goodness gracious....what hypocrites.
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 12:19:37 PM |
That's so sad that nowadays we can not stop something because it isn't illegal
Can someone seriously be this dense? You show absolutely no understanding of the criminal JUSTICE system.
And for my closing argument (kudos to everyone not named 3rdedition for being mature enough to not turn this into a "You disagree, so you must be a pedophile" garbagefest), pedophiles can't help their desires.
I'm sure we all have a food we like, and I'm also sure we all know somebody that thinks said food is disgusting. Are we wrong for liking it? Are they wrong for disliking it? More importantly, can either of us help the fact that we feel the way we do about that food? Can you just stop liking a food for the hell of it? Can you start liking one, for that matter?
(Yes, it is a valid comparison. Your opinion on the foods you like and don't like are as uncontrollable as your opinion on the sexual deviancies you like and dislike. On that same note, smoking is extremely dangerous for anyone in your second-hand smoke bubble as well as yourself, the smoker...and yet it's perfectly legal to smoke around children. That's what I was trying to get at with that shot.)
Does anybody honestly think that these people choose to be this way? Hell, the fact that he IS one is enough for several people on these forums alone to call for his head...would you choose to be a pedophile? Worse yet, if you were one, would you want to come out and try to get help when you know there's radicals out there that would wish death upon you when they found out? | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 12:37:05 PM |
Pedophilia "has all the same characteristics as homosexuality, transvestism, fetishism, etc.," said Dan Markussen, spokesman for the 100-member association, which was founded in 1985. "Sexual orientation is defined as a lifelong attraction, which pedophilia obviously is."
What was the point of this quote? There are HUGE differences between pedophelia and homosexuality, tansvestism, fetishism, etc. What's the difference? Homosexuality, tansvestism, fetishism, etc. typically involve consenting adults - and in no case are those adults more inclined to pedophilia than any other demographic; possibly less than Catholic priests. Pedophiles are looking to engage children on a sexual level; homosexuals, transvestites, and fetishists are, for the most part, not. Pedophilia is a crime because minors are not considered ready to give informed consent with regard to sexual activities. Period. Taking photos of anyone and posting them for the purposes of promoting a cause without their consent is a crime - that's why models or their parents sign waivers.
And does anyone seriously think that any sane parent would enroll their child in his daycare? (Well, okay. Some desperate parents might... who the hell knows.... childcare is hard to come by.) The guy must be lovign all this attention. | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 12:37:14 PM | >What was the point of this quote?<
Whatever you want to make of it. Up to you.
Does anybody honestly think that these people choose to be this way?
Who cares?
He chose to take pictures of kids and post it on a website for Pedophiles.
"We are attempting to form a bill that will be put in into law we wish to call APRIL'S LAW! Named after a victim whose perpetrator stalked children over the Internet after being inspired by legal sites that encourage pedophiles to have sex with children.
This new law will make all web sites that promote paedophilia and display children or child like sexual images on the Internet ILLEGAL. These sites only promote crimes against children!"
http://aprilslaw.com/
Do you feel that this is unreasonable?^^^ | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 1:15:59 PM | ^^^^ that law may not be unreasonable, but it is unenforceable anywhere OTHER than the place that enacts it. People have been trying to censor the Internet practically from the day the World Wide Web was created if not before. Trouble is: the Internet is -- for the purposes of arguement -- a sovereign nation with no treaties or agreements to observe any other nations laws with in its sovereign borders.
In other words you can make laws until you are red in the face and in the real world it doesn't matter *anywhere* except the geographic boundaries of the city/state/country where it was enacted. If the site is not physically based within those boundaries they can tell you to sit on it and rotate, and go on their merry way.
Sorry to rain on your parade with facts. | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 2:00:13 PM | shigogouhou:
{quote]"You disagree, so you must be a pedophile"
Please copy and paste my messege quoting where I made that statement.
Yes, I absolutely have my suspicions about you - but that is due to your own
intentional remarks. I'm a reasonable person - thus I have reasonable discussions with reasonable people - a category of which you are obviously not a member. I'd say it was a nice try in your efforts to twist my words to suit yourself - but it wasn't....
To the intelligent people in the forum:
In an effort to understand how he managed to slip by the law I looked up Ca's laws on stalking - it seems apparent to me that his actions fit the bill to a tee. This is from the California penal codes regarding stalking. It's sad that the law contradicts itself in such a way that he could possibly use it to his benefit. But then, that confirms for me that he knows exactly what he's doing.
646.9 Stalking
(a) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or willfully and maliciously harasses another person and who makes a credible threat with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear for his or her safety, or the safety of his or her immediate family is guilty of the crime of stalking, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year, or by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment, or by imprisonment in the state prison.
g) For the purposes of this section, "credible threat" means a verbal or written threat, including that performed through the use of an electronic communication device, or a threat implied by a pattern of conduct or a combination of verbal, written, or electronically communicated statements and conduct, made with the intent to place the person that is the target of the threat in reasonable fear for his or her safety or the safety of his or her family, and made with the apparent ability to carry out the threat so as to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety or the safety of his or her family. It is not necessary to prove that the defendant had the intent to actually carry out the threat. The present incarceration of a person making the threat shall not be a bar to prosecution under this section. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "credible threat."
The very last statement above is the only statement in which I can see the code itself is contradictory, thereby allowing for the loop-hole this man has exploited. Although I can't imagine the justice system failing to correct the problem at this point. Unfortunately that correction will depend solely on the state's integrity. | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 2:06:16 PM | Honestly, I think that people that promote illegal activities should
be punished. This includes organizations like NAMBLA and this sick (swear word).
People always reply to me "But freedom of speech!"
Maybe if there were a club that named themselves: We Want To Have Sex With Children Club, there would be more outrage. But that is exactly what people like Jack McClellan and organizations like NAMBLA are promoting. They are providing a safe haven for criminals that would like to know that they are not alone in wanting to commit criminal acts. Would you feel comfortable with a website where serial killers were allowed to freely discuss and collaborate about their plans to kill people, the best places to select victims, best killing methods? The criminal mind want to feel justified for committing the acts that it commits and people (term used loosely) like McKlellan are offerring validation and justification for these acts.
We as a society cannot afford to tolerate the promotion of criminal acts.
This isn't the movies or television, this man is a pedophile and has targeted and is promoting the targeting of children. | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 2:13:34 PM | "I am tired of being forced into the shadows by society," Ashford said recently in an e-mail interview. "I have committed no crime, therefore there is no good reason that I should have to hide myself. As long as pedophiles continue to hide, there is no chance of them ever being accepted."...
"Ashford, 35, an unemployed business consultant, is part of a pioneering group of pedophiles from around the world who also believe pedophilia is not a sexual disorder that can be cured by medication and psychotherapy. He believes, rather, that it is a sexual orientation with which he was born, and therefore, cannot deny."
I think this is a fantastic idea! They should all proclaim their affliction to society. They should not be walking in the shadows. Parents would then know who in their neighborhood their kids should avoid. Schools would know who they can and cannot let in unsupervised. We could evacuate playgrounds when one of these self proclaimed people enter them. This would make it much safer for our childern. | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 2:24:25 PM |
shigogouhou: "You disagree, so you must be a pedophile" Please copy and paste my messege quoting where I made that statement.
I might as well. You were so kind as to restate it in that very post, it'd be rude not to.
Yes, I absolutely have my suspicions about you - but that is due to your own
intentional remarks.
"Yes, I absolutely have my suspicions about you" = "You must be a pedophile"
"...due to your own intentional remarks." = "You disagree with me" | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 2:31:25 PM | The very last statement above is the only statement in which I can see the code itself is contradictory, thereby allowing for the loop-hole this man has exploited.
It goes a little deeper than that. The following portion is what is more relevant (I've highlighted parts)
For the purposes of this section, "credible threat" means a verbal or written threat, including that performed through the use of an electronic communication device, or a threat implied by a pattern of conduct or a combination of verbal, written, or electronically communicated statements and conduct, made with the intent to place the person that is the target of the threat in reasonable fear for his or her safety or the safety of his or her family, and made with the apparent ability to carry out the threat
You would be hard pressed to establish any intent to communicate a threat in his taking pictures.
The families in his community (and pretty much any other ones he goes to) still have at their disposal tort law (which is what they are using to support the injunction) to try and stop him from posting pictures of kids without the parents' permission. This can be used to deny him the economic means to create and maintain the web-site and might even be used to force the hosting service to pull the site.
There is little in criminal or tort law that prevents him from taking pictures in a public place for his own use, they can only make it more difficult for him to do so.
The problem with taking the laws much further than this is that you are getting into the realm of 'thought crimes'. If we were to start jailing people for their desires and thoughts then there would be very few of us who could avoid jail and that's even if we restrict it to thoughts and desires regarding the abuse of children. How many of us parents would be in jail for thinking about beating the sass out of our kids (especially when they were young teens and even though it isn't sexual, abuse is abuse and all of it can be equally damaging). | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 2:40:14 PM | | Thank you for your input on that. The posting pictures and locations of children is what I was thinking that law would cover. Telling others where to find children certainly seems to imply the threat of danger clearly. And for him to have that knowledge to pass on, he had to thoroughly check out those locations and the children present - I would interpret that as stalking. It's yet another gray area, and he uses loop holes - which is what I mean by his knowing what he's doing. He knows exacly how to manipulate the system. | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 3:04:37 PM |
I think the guy's an idiot. He *may* have thought he was advocating a way to channel the desire into safer areas (safer for the kids as well as the pedophile) but if so, he picked a poor way to do it.
Was there a good as in the opposite of poor way to do it then? He has proved himself as a freak (YES HE IS A FREAK) by saying he finds children between the ages of 3 and 11 sexually attractive. He has told the world who he is and has tried to justify it in some sick way.
I find it interesting that some people feel the need to name call to try to distract people from noticing that the caller can not logically justify his or her position.
I personally find it interesting that in each of your posts you haven't said that you think that the actions of this man is wrong. That you are almost saying "ignore it, its ok, its his right" instead of addressing any kind of potential wrongdoing. The fact he is stalking little girls, taking pictures and telling others how to avoid getting caught.
I guess there are a lot of emotional grade schoolers on POF
I think you will find it is more of a case of there are a lot of people on POF that actually still believe in protecting the innocent, our children. Those who refuse to sit back and think "ahh well, there are laws end of story". Laws CAN be changed, people want the children of the world to be safe instead.
I'm sure we all have a food we like, and I'm also sure we all know somebody that thinks said food is disgusting. Are we wrong for liking it? Are they wrong for disliking it? More importantly, can either of us help the fact that we feel the way we do about that food? Can you just stop liking a food for the hell of it? Can you start liking one, for that matter?
Food and paedophilia... Comparison??? WHY??
Eating food doesnt take away the basic right of anyone - that they have the right to grow into adulthood free from fear, free from abuse, free from rape. How can liking a type of food be compared to this? Which part of this quote makes sense to anyone or is it just me that thinks it is a very, very bizarre and odd comparison to make???
Does anybody honestly think that these people choose to be this way? Hell, the fact that he IS one is enough for several people on these forums alone to call for his head...would you choose to be a pedophile? Worse yet, if you were one, would you want to come out and try to get help when you know there's radicals out there that would wish death upon you when they found out?
Why are you calling for compassion for monsters? I would honestly WANT to be murdered if i were a paedophile. I would not want to live. This man is not begging for help. If he were he would be BEGGING for castration. He is exploiting every loophole.
I might have this "grade school" (pffffffffft) point of view, but i am actually proud to have that. I am not going to sit back and pander to ever pervert, rapist, murderer and criminal that wishes to twist the law to suit their sick brains.
If you wish to defend and sympathise with an abuser that is your right, but IN MY OPINION (yes its an opinion) i think you are WORSE than the abusers, making excuses for them and comparing their revolting sexual desires to food is odd to say the least.
If you sit back and think that he isnt breaking a law and therefore it is ok then think again.
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 4:17:32 PM | Could you possibly misunderstand everything I say any more than you already do, *foxymoron*?
The entire point of the argument is that YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHAT YOU LIKE OR DON'T LIKE. Somehow that just whizzed over your head, perhaps due to that "grade school" intellect you're apparently proud of.
I've made my choice to "defend" and "sympathise" because the other options clearly haven't worked.
Don't you all see? The more you treat them like scum, the further into the shadows they go. The more you fight to turn them into outcasts, the harder they'll fight to keep their desires secret.
How did the hate crimes turn out against all the gays, lesbians, transgenders, etc. that were murdered? Was there a sudden swerve from homosexuality to heterosexuality, because I seem to recall that it didn't. The same lesson could be applied here.
I ask of you this: How many people are in drug rehab voluntarily right now? How many people are in or have gone through alcohol rehab voluntarily?
And how many of them would have gone to get the help they NEEDED if they knew that people would treat them the way you all seem to think pedophiles "deserve to be treated"?
Those that have not acted on their desires need our acceptance and vigilance, in an attempt to keep them from acting. Those that have or are willing to act upon them need our help, to prevent future acts. Children need protection now more than ever, but the archaic methods we continue to use in this society continue to fail us. | |
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| Self-Proclaimed Pedophile
Posted: 8/8/2007 4:18:33 PM | This guy is sick and needs psychiatric treatment. I work with children and the idea of any of them being exploited in this manner disgusts me.
However the arguments that he should be murdered also disgust me. If North America were a society where we kill those who are mentally ill, I think a lot of us should be scared for our lives. Yes it is disgusting and depraved, yes he should not be allowed to instruct others on how to get away with this heinous act, but murdering him is beyond the pale.
Problem is - can he be rehabilitated? I know that so many pedophiles are repeat offenders, so perhaps incarceration is the way to go.
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On a related topic, there's a guy in Canada who draws pictures of naked children and considers it art. He claims not to have sold any copies and that no harm is done since the children he draws are imaginary.
This guy is obviously a pedophile, but what do we do about people's activity when they are just on the border of illegal but not quite? Here we have a guy who draws pictures of naked kids as art but does nothing with them (ie selling them). Can it truly be said that this is art? | |
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