Don't bother with doing the unthinkable -- arguing the ISSUES.

Do you actually think with prices of gas, groceries and healthcare itself that a hard working individual like most of us in the U.S can afford to have more taxes taken out of our paychecks every week? I think not!

This may be a stupid question but is the point of the thread that people are freaked out about Mormons because some still practice polygamy?

what you dont also realize that in HR676 which i also read, a national healthcare system that the democrats want so badly is to be paid for by the American people in the form of a huge Tax increase across the board.

SEC. 203. PAYMENT FOR LONG-TERM CARE.

(a) Allotment for Regions- The Program shall provide for each region a single budgetary allotment to cover a full array of long-term care services under this Act.

(b) Regional Budgets- Each region shall provide a global budget to local long-term care providers for the full range of needed services, including in-home, nursing home, and community based care.

(c) Basis for Budgets- Budgets for long-term care services under this section shall be based on past expenditures, financial and clinical performance, utilization, and projected changes in service, wages, and other related factors.

(d) Favoring Non-Institutional Care- All efforts shall be made under this Act to provide long-term care in a home- or community-based setting, as opposed to institutional care.

think not!

SEC. 203. PAYMENT FOR LONG-TERM CARE.

(a) Allotment for Regions- The Program shall provide for each region a single budgetary allotment to cover a full array of long-term care services under this Act.

(b) Regional Budgets- Each region shall provide a global budget to local long-term care providers for the full range of needed services, including in-home, nursing home, and community based care.

(c) Basis for Budgets- Budgets for long-term care services under this section shall be based on past expenditures, financial and clinical performance, utilization, and projected changes in service, wages, and other related factors.

(d) Favoring Non-Institutional Care- All efforts shall be made under this Act to provide long-term care in a home- or community-based setting, as opposed to institutional care.

Amen Halftime Dad!!!! The more conservative they are the more they whine!! Want some cheese with that whine!!????

They whine about how universal health care will cost more when it's actually better for businesses, and can be paid for through things like "sin taxes" as done in Canada. It's more pro-business to support universal healthcare than this foolish system we have now. Money that is being wasted on premiums and copays can be reinvested, used to expand the business, hire more employees, upgrade equipment, increase profits and generate more business. Once the USA finally wakes up and joins the rest of the world, we will have a booming economy as a result!! I for one would love to see boom times return to America. Vote Democratic and you will see that!! (not Hillary, she wants "incremental change"--not enough!! Obama or Edwards is more likely to do something!!)

New Health Care Markets. The U.S. government will help states and groups of states create regional Health Care Markets, non-profit purchasing pools that offer a choice of competing insurance plans. At least one plan would be a public program based upon Medicare. All plans will include comprehensive benefits, including full mental health benefits. Families and businesses could choose to supplement their coverage with additional benefits. The markets will be available to everyone who does not get comparable insurance from their jobs or a public program and to employers that choose to join rather than offer their own insurance plans. The benefits of Health Care Markets include:

* Freedom and Security: Health Care Markets will give participants a choice among affordable, quality plans. Americans can keep Health Care Market plans when they change or lose their jobs, start new businesses, or take time off for caregiving.

* Choice between Public and Private Insurers: Health Care Markets will offer a choice between private insurers and a public insurance plan modeled after Medicare, but separate and apart from it. Families and individuals will choose the plan that works best for them. This American solution will reward the sector that offers the best care at the best price. Over time, the system may evolve toward a single-payer approach if individuals and businesses prefer the public plan.

* Promoting Affordable Care: Health Care Markets will negotiate low premiums through their economies of scale so they can get a better deal than individuals and many businesses can get on their own. Health Care Markets will also hold down administrative costs by reducing the need for underwriting and marketing activities (two-thirds of private insurers' overhead), centrally collecting premiums, and exercising leadership to reduce costs on billing practices, claims processing, and electronic medical records. Finally, they will be able to work with insurers to adopt cost-effective approaches to health care like preventive care and to collect the data necessary to drive quality improvement. [Woolhandler et al, 2003]

* Reducing Burdens for Businesses: By assuming the administrative role of negotiating benefit plans with insurers and collecting premiums, Health Care Markets will minimize administrative burdens for participating businesses and other employers. Businesses that opt into the markets will only have to make financial contributions to the cost of covering their employees through markets, similar to their role in Social Security and Medicare.

Dennis Kucinich does endorses HR 676, but we don't have to worry about him becoming President ever. He has significantly less chance of being elected than Rudy Giuliani.

Who would have thought BILL CLINTON would be the democrat candidate for president and beat that other Bush ..

FEMA was a disaster created by George Wanker Bush..

In Ontario our DVM is very good ...

What are your thoughts on whether a morman such as Mitt Romney can be elected president? Would most christians in the south and midwest (the bible belt so to speak) be able to vote for a mormon? So what does everyone think?

Color me stupid, but this thread appeared to be about the man's religion and whether people that ascribe to other religious sects would be willing to back this man as president.

My question was if people object, what is it exactly that other Christians would object to because Mormons, last time I checked, were Christians. So is it the history and continued controversy of polygamy or some other component or aspect of the Mormon religion that would keep this candidate from being palatable, particularly for fundamentalist conservative Christians?

This is the first time I've seen a thread dedicated to flaming a Presidential candidate.

I'd think he'd get some credit for at least trying to put in better access to healthcare in Massachussets.

Healthcare isn't cheap. If you want access rather than access to waiting lists it needs to be paid for.

Medicaid in this country totally sucks. Giving the equivalent of Medicaid to everyone would result in wait times here like you've never seen in Canada. If you want government paid healthcare, that's what you're going to get.

It won't be as good as what Canada has, and 17 percent of Canadians can't find a primary care doctor.

The College of Family Physicians of Canada Decima Research Omnibus Poll and Physician Survey, November 2006

http://www.cfpc.ca/English/cfpc/communications/news%20releases/
2006%2011%2002%20Backgrounder/default.asp?s=1