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| new speeding penalties good or bad?
Posted: 11/22/2007 9:41:54 PM | | MyI Score!! Nice work. I did think it odd he couldn't spell his own career. I am basically done with the arguement though. There was so much misinformation and inconsistencies that I gave up trying to correct it. There is no way the other side is going to get it. Then again...they might "get it" A hefty ticket! :) MyI you did present valid arguements. | |
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Msg: 253 | |
| new speeding penalties good or bad?
Posted: 11/23/2007 3:21:50 AM |
Police can issue an immediate seven-day driver’s licence suspension and seven-day vehicle impoundment for street racing, participating in a driving contest or stunt driving.
You'll notice what "Police" can do as opposed to the enforcement "Courts" can do. Again... you get your day in court.
Police have the right to impound a car... they always had that right.
yes they have however previous laws as stated earlier in this thread that, for alcohol limits, one must fail a breath test or refuse to do so,, there are no conclusions for the officers to come to. The same with the roadworthiness of a vehicle, your brakes, and signal do not work, again, no conclusions by officers required.
street racing, participating in a driving contest or stunt driving require the officer to decide intent of the driver and form a conclusion. It is this, I suspect, possibility for abuse is what is at issue.
but hey i aint no lawyer | |
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Posted: 11/23/2007 6:05:18 AM | do we really need to ask the question? Of course they suck! We have enough laws already and they work just fine. Our freedom is in jeopardy cause we have trigger happy law makers. The government only cares about how much more money this gives them, not about your safety. Control the cattle and with you they will never battle, just obey and listen while you gather there gold and admire how it glistens | |
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Msg: 255 | |
| new speeding penalties good or bad?
Posted: 9/30/2008 4:03:27 AM | some interesting things i heard on my drive into the office this morning
Ontario's street racing law is one year old today and police continue to pull over speeders at an alarming rate.
Many question whether the law is working if people continue to break the rules but O-P-P Commissioner Julian Fantino says he still considers the law a success.
If the current trend of about 20 drivers ticketed a day continues -- more than 10-thousand will be nabbed by the end of the calendar year. However, the one year old law has a 40% convition rate.
mmm my math says that that makes 6,000 wrongfully charged i wonder how much that cost the tax payers, for a law that seems not to have done much in the way of prevention.
does raise one question
how does Julian Fantino define a law is a success? | |
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Posted: 9/30/2008 9:29:58 AM |
However, the one year old law has a 40% convition rate.
mmm my math says that that makes 6,000 wrongfully charged i wonder how much that cost the tax payers, for a law that seems not to have done much in the way of prevention.
Just because 60% got off on the charges doesn't mean they were all wrongfully laid.
It means ....
They had a very good lawyer - heck if a lawyer could get OJ off, don't you think they could get a speeder off ??
Or, the officer was unable to attend in court. Yes that happens, often they get tied up on serious calls they can't leave and it is the judges discretion whether they put it over for another time or dismiss the charge.
Maybe they were going 50 over but were able to prove a mechanical default in their car , of which they were unaware, which was showing them the wrong speed. Judge's descretion again.
Judge gave them a warning which basically means "I believe you were going over 50 but I'm giving you a chance" -- Judge's descretion again.
Officer messed up on the stand ... yup, it happens, nobody is perfect!
etc etc etc
on that note, my friend just found out how much it costs to speed in a rental car in Europe -- he just got his tickets in the mail - gotta love photo radar  | |
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Posted: 9/30/2008 1:51:58 PM | Just because 60% got off on the charges doesn't mean they were all wrongfully laid.
As a guy who had a 'muscle car' when I was young...
Cops will pull over any car they feel looks like a 'street racer'. They did it 20 years ago and they still do it now...
If they REALLY wanted to stop street racing, they'd ban the sale of aftermarket additions such as Headers, turbo/super chargers, nitro kits, intake manifolds, performance igntion electronics etc... But they don't... There's NO MONEY to be made by doing that...
So let's say you get pulled over tonight... not your fault... a car sped past you and turned into a side street....
But it tripped a radar trap...120kmh in a 100kmh zone... and the cop only saw your car... remember, he's looking at his notes or the radar detector until it 'beeps'.
You deny it was you...
So, now the cop doesn't like your face, your 'attitude' or he just had a bad day...
All of a sudden he decides you were doing 151kmh. You don't get to see the rader detector to prove it or not... He doesn't have to show any physical evidence that the detector clocked you at 151kmh...
He simply writes you a ticket...
Boom... Ok, get out of the car... It's being impounded NOW! Doesn't matter where you are, the weather or what you're wearing...... you now have to find your own way home... What no buses at 3AM...? Pity about those high heel open-toes in this deep snow...You're wearing a short, thin dress for this climate..? Should have brought your parka... BTW, those guys on the street corner watching you are not concerned about your safety either... should have thought twice a bit more about the length of the dress....
Of course, this might not be you, it might be someone's teenage daughter....
Now the law allows police to impound cars immediately and suspend licences for seven days in cases of suspected road racing. Note that word 'suspected'? Yes, you're not guilty, you're just a suspect.
However, you will lose your licence for 7 days automatically... and your vehicle (or whoever's you're driving) is impounded and all costs of towing, damage and impound fees you have to pay... Oh yeah, too bad if you don't have the money to get the car out, the fee rises daily until it's paid... the costs could amount to $1000 or more over 7 days...
Then there's the cost of alternate transportation of perhaps a week off work if you need a car for or to get to your job...
However, if you go to court and you're found not guilty you don't get any of those costs back...
He knows he wrote you a bogus ticket, he's already screwed you up. He simply doesn't show for court... He doesn't need to look bad on the stand if somehow you can prove you weren't racing....
BTW, if the cop doesn't show up in court, which happens a lot... you're not guilty... or his evidence is faked or flawed, not guilty...
Think the cops don't lie...? You're too naive to be allowed out on the street....
If your car is impounded, There is a $100 fee to file an appeal. In the event of a successful appeal, any towing and storage costs will be refunded. The filing fee to the License Appeal Tribunal is non-refundable.
No court, no trial, no judge. No due process in any way for an alleged Highway Traffic Act infraction! Essentially, the citizens of this Province have more rights when being accused of a criminal offence versus a far less severe Highway Traffic Act infraction. This is unacceptable.
What's to stop them changing the law to include lesser infractions such as not hving your seat belt done up?
Remember, the police should not have all the power right there and then . . . We have a court system for a reason. If we didn't need courts we would abolish them. Innocent until proven guilty is a fundamental concept... except in Canada and other third world countries... | |
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Posted: 9/30/2008 9:07:31 PM | | Considering most people drive around 130-140 on the 401, the need for people to go faster is stupid. I have seen some arrogant pricks on the highways who damn near cause accidents, some wanker one day kept swerving between cars on the DVP and damn near took out half the cars who were not going all that fast and there was lots of traffic going into the city. I think even going 140 is sometimes too fast, especially when there is lots of traffic and I get nervous driving around the highways around 9 or 10 am during the week cause there is no much traffic and I think 130 tops would be plenty fast enough for the traffic size. | |
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Posted: 9/30/2008 9:20:42 PM | Prevention methods:
Ban all tuner cars on our roads, make them illegal to the point where the only method of using them would be on disgnated race tracks and they would have to be transported via a flatbed or trailer. Make cars in excess of 300 horsepower classified as sports cars and jack up the insurance rates on those as well.
Make the penalties even tougher, a 7 day suspension and impound for a first offence is pretty weak in my opinion, how about a 30 day suspension and heavy fines as well as severe insurance premium increases if you are pulled over for speeding in excess of 50 km's over the posted speed limit on a highway or 20 km's above in cities or are convicted of street racing. First offense for speeding far above the legal limit should be a very heafty fine and a short suspension, second offence should be jail time and a year's driving suspension AFTER you are released, third offence would be a life time driving ban and depending on whether or not you were convicted of street racing, your prison time would vary from 5 to 10 years.
That is how I would do it, and not because I am a prick but because the elite few idiots in their late teens and into their mid 20's are tarnishing the reputations of all the good young drivers my age by being complete and utter idiots on the road. Maybe our driving education system needs to be more strict too, it has apparently gotten easier to get your G over when I did it. Do like Japan, you have to get 100% on your tests and go through extensive examination in order to drive. | |
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Posted: 10/1/2008 9:14:04 AM | The problem with the current speeding penalties is that it puts all the power in the hands of the police...
I've had enough experience with the police over the years to know that they are not impartial... It's bad enough trying to win in court when you go to trial for a ticket and the cop who ticketed you, and the judge are chatting about the golf tournament they're doing together the next day... Yep, they're buddies, I don't know them... Hmmm I wonder who will win... | |
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