| new speeding penalties good or bad?
Posted: 8/26/2007 2:51:57 PM | | I drive for a living, and I can tell you for a fact that police presence makes far more difference than higher fines. If I'm driving in Ontario, I'll see maybe one or two OPP in a day. In most U.S. states I'll see a state trooper every ten to fifteen miles, and drivers in those states are far more likely to drive at a reasonable speed than drivers here are. | |
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| new penalties are simply a cash grab!
Posted: 8/27/2007 4:49:13 AM | | It has been proven many times that the way to SAFELY enforce speed limits is to have a MARKED police car ON THE ROAD! Radar, sneaky speed traps, and prohibitive fines have nothing to do with safety. They are simply a matter of the municipality taking more money from the citizens. You have a speed problem? Put a patrol car in the area, and the problem disappears immediately! Some small towns have actually parked empty police cars on the side of the road, entering town, and this has slowed traffic to the posted speed limits effectively! We don't need more police. We do need the ones we have to be used properly! | |
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Posted: 9/8/2007 12:17:41 PM | Cash Grab.. 50 over is crazy.. But 20 - 30 on the highway c'mon.. Don't forget before metric the speed was 60 mph ( 120 kmh ish).
Plus some local roads limits are nuts. The road by the Toronto zoo is 2 lanes each way with no houses yet 60kmh.. crazy.. it should be 80.. Yet cops sit right there at the cash grab | |
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Posted: 9/8/2007 3:58:53 PM | | Personally I think it sucks. I worry more about drivers who are texting, eating, makeup, trying to find files in the briefcase then myself doing 200 klics up the 400. Now that might not be the safest thing to do but believe me your eyes are on the road. In the car i'm kinda screwed cause its very difficult to outrun the police cause you can't fly over traffic so your bogged down but on my bike Buh bye. Been chased lots of times and its difficult for a car to lane split and idk know to many police cars that can hit 300klm in hell of a hurry. I think the reality is you mite start to see alot more police chases cause of this. If my license is already lost mite as well make them work for it. Besides license or no license not goin to stop driving. | |
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Posted: 9/8/2007 6:36:26 PM | LOL
What you people with the heavy foot on the gas should class a small $10,000.00 fine as not bad for doing 50 klms over the posted speeds. Oh heck I know you all drive those so called honda's/toyota's etc that look like sports cars . But lets say your talking on your cell phone & playing with your PDA while flipping music chanels on your Xm radio and all of a sudden someone stops in front of you ! Yeah either your gonna kill whom ever you hit or maybe even your self or both! I think for those of you who wish to speed at above 50 klms over should go to jail for 60 days plus the 10 grand fines.
And they should do with cell phones like they do in the UK and that is if your gonna talk on a cell phone you pull over & stop . If your caught driving & talking on a cell phone you get an instant $10,000 gbp's fine . And in canadian thats about 23 grand first offence.
Yes their too lax with speeders on the 400 series highways and its about time those who speed excess of 25klms over should pay at least $10,000.00 in fines. | |
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Posted: 9/8/2007 7:21:36 PM |
Cash grab is all it is.
I can see why you've called yourself Buggsy. Isn't it a cash giveaway? Who forces these a-holes to go that fast?
Now let's put some real teeth in it. You lose the car. Period. If you injure someone while driving you are hit with felony battery, minimum time 8 years. Kill someone and it's 2nd degree murder, minimum 12 years.
Oh, yeah, and you better get used to walking when you get out, because you'll never be permitted to own a license or a car, and if you are caught driving again you are in for more hard time as is the idiot who lent you the vehicle. If you stole it, guess what? Yep, more jail time. Use a car lke a weapon and face weapons penalties for weapons offenses.
My daughter is out there and so are a lot of my friends. Don't hurt or kill any of them. | |
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Posted: 9/9/2007 2:34:39 AM | California has strict laws pertaining to emissions......why can't we have laws that cars driven in Ontario have a governor attachment that prohibits a car going more than 120 kms/hr?
It is even possible to have transponders installed to change the maximum of the governor attachment while on 80 kmh highways, or 40 kmh streets.
If you are found to have tinkered with the governor, you lose the privilege of driving here. | |
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Posted: 9/9/2007 4:47:36 AM | | You are correct with the calculation, my apologies.. The speed on the highways used to be 70 mph which is 112 kmh.. 120 would be more reasonable. If you aren't doing that fast you are honked at to get out of the way, not this crazy 100 km/h | |
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Posted: 9/9/2007 6:58:52 AM | | Again I repeat myself speed isn't the factor in alot of accidents, yes if your going fast and get in a accident there is goin to be alot more damage. Drivers not paying attention is by far the biggest cause of accidents or just driver error. IF SPEED was such a killer then places like the autoban in Germany where you max out your cars ability would be long banned!!!! | |
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Posted: 9/18/2007 10:24:45 PM |
autoban in Germany where you max out your cars ability would be long banned!!!!
In Germany the autobahn is constructed to a more rigorous standard than the 400 series here are. Try autobahn speeds on the 400 series highways here and you'll kill yourself. Where do you think single vehicle accidents come from? Oh, and you have to learn to control the vehicle at that speed and you have to ensure that the vehicle will tolerate the stresses. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2007 7:35:00 AM | | Speed kills. It's a proven fact... and quite often its innocent bystanders that get killed, which makes it even worse. If you're going 50 over, you ARE a road racer and should be penalized as such. Unfortunately, no law can ever make any highway safer. The only thing that can make the roads safer is consistent enforcement. | |
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| new speeding penalties good or bad?
Posted: 9/19/2007 7:53:38 AM | The previous laws were good enough. 50 over the limit gets you an immediate summons to court where your penalty is decided. Usually a $700+ fine and 5 demerit points I beleive was the penalty. If you are speeding then that is what the penalty should be. However I agree if you are racing then you should have your license suspended for 60 days and a fine of atleast $1500. Having your car taken away is just plain stupid. You can always buy another car...and will.
Increase the speed limits. Nuff said. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 3:15:28 PM | | Saw the cash grab setup at the zoo again. It is 2 lanes both ways.. with no houses around yet it is 60 km.. Cops set up at the top of the hill with the radar pointing at the bottom of the hill.. What purpose does it serve except to make money | |
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Posted: 9/21/2007 8:57:11 AM |
IF SPEED was such a killer then places like the autoban in Germany where you max out your cars ability would be long banned!!!!
The Autobahn is indeed built for higher speeds, and I found the drivers on it more courteous and adherant to the rules of the road. Further to that, you will also see billboards all over Germany urging people, particularly motorcyclists, to slow down because excessive speed is a killer. Having seen a couple bikers smeered all over the road in the Alps, I tend to believe it.
For an example closer to home, I live on a two-lane secondary highway here in Ontario, on the edge of a small hamlet where the speed limit goes from 50 to 80. You would think it was a drag strip. Some fools even tromp the gas and pass others coming out of our hamlet the minute they see the 80 sign. I've almost been hit turn into my driveway that way several times. Of course, that also happens with the fools that don't slow down going through town. I've even been passed in the middle of town where there's a double yellow line. There are kids and old people in town. People have been killed elsewhere along this highway thanks to excessive speed. Its only a matter of time before it happens here. It's bad enough that people's pets are being killed here regularly. I had to drag a dead horse off the road last week that some speeding fool hit!!
What purpose does it serve except to make money
It serves the purpose of encouraging people to obey the laws of the road. That shouldn't be such a difficult concept. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 4:26:41 AM | I havnt read all the posts here but wanted to let ppl know some shtuff.
It's not just the suspension and up to $10,000 fine , but if convicted you get a criminal record and it's not just for street raceing or 50Kh over the limit, there are many new additional things taking effect sept 30, 2007.
A guy did research and found that police officers cause more car accidents killing almost 4 times more ppl than "street racers" - fatigued driver kill far more ppl than drunk drivers. 80% of these so called street racers that cause accidents are done by ppl driving mini vans and high end expensive european sedans and not modified cars.
These new definitions and laws basically make every single one of us a criminal. See source material here --> http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/source/regs/english/2007/elaws_src_regs_r07455_e.htm
One part says --> Definition, “race” and “contest”
(3) Driving a motor vehicle without due care and attention, without reasonable consideration for other persons using the highway or in a manner that may endanger any person is considered to be a "stunt" and is now considered criminal + $10,00 fine + car seized. This could be anything.
Definition, “stunt”
3. Driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to spin it or cause it to circle, without maintaining control over it. So if you take a corner too fast trying to make a left turn during a red light and a tire spins = considered criminal + $10,00 fine + car seized
also under stunt is this
i. driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to prevent another vehicle from passing. So if yer pissed at someone, or are trying to keep someone from passing , or blocking drivers behind you by driving side by side with any car on the road - you are in violation - this happens thousands of times a day. so 2 cars driving the legal limit on a 2 lane road side by side are now considered criminal
iv. making a left turn where,
(A) the driver is stopped at an intersection controlled by a traffic control signal system in response to a circular red indication; [means being in an intersection when the light is red] NOTE: legally there is only to be one car in an intersection turning at one time and ony if the driver believes they can execute a turn safely and before the light turns red.
(B) at least one vehicle facing the opposite direction is similarly stopped in response to a circular red indication; and
(C) the driver executes the left turn immediately before or after the system shows only a circular green indication in both directions and in a manner that indicates an intention to complete or attempt to complete the left turn before the vehicle facing the opposite direction is able to proceed straight through the intersection in response to the circular green indication facing that vehicle.
and it goes on. these laws now turn you moms and dads, brothers and sisters, sons and daughets, freinds and neighbours into criminals/street racers/etc..
I know Im stating worst case scenario's and harshest penalties - but it's now law in a few days and its to be considered CRIMINAL to cut someone off, block someone in, spinning yer tires around a corner, not paying due care and attention (looking in rear seat at baby in it's child seat" - reaching for your coffee,- etc..)
So much for living in the land of the free.
Oh and one more thing - once ppl start realizing that they are facing criminal charges/records, having their cars seized, and faceing $10,000 in fines and jail - ppl will start to run from police and avade them cuz its a big deal now. I've heard many many ppl say this all over the net and in public, with soo much to loose, whats one more lil thing like running from cops especially since they are not to chase if it gets dangerous. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 4:36:39 AM | couple more additions
1. speed does NOT kill, the sudden stop does, NO ONE has ever died from going fast cuz if that were true, ppl who fly would die.
2. governing a vehicles speed is dangerous. What happens in an emergency shituation when you need to go faster, to pass another vehicle, need to avaoid something, etc... haveing a governor will screw you. Also a governor governed at 100 would not stop you from doing 90 in a 50 zone. Just recently some cop who got an award from MADD got caught by other cops doing 90 in a 40 school zone while drunk - go fig
bottom line is get stupid ppl off the road, but that wont happen cuz the gov makes way too much money keeping ppl in their cars. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 5:51:16 AM | The 10,000 dollar fine is obsene!! Go ahead you stu@#$ politicians take the food right out of the mouths of the idiot driver s kids. Who has 10 grand sitting arount to pay a fine? THATS NUTS
The cops will tell you speed kills... it does not .. idoits do.. cutting in and out darting from lane to lane chasing another idiot down the highway.... the speed in this case does not matter get the idiot off the road!!! While speed is a factor the "idiot " factor is a lot larger!! Not to defend the idiots but part of the reason people dart in and out(and they do not have to be doing 50 over) is because of the beligerant , "but I am going fast enough" , boneheads who are driving less than 100 or less than the flow of traffic in the left lane and refuse to move to the right. I guess another type of idiot. If the cops would spend a little time addressing other issues the roads might just be better.
For intstance .. TO used to have a winter campaign for people with sidewalks with Ben Wicks... "be nice.. clear your ice" well why does the OPP not say "Be polite ..move to the right"
Unless passing all Trucks (not pickups) and anyone hauling any type of trailer should be in the right lane and never in the left (when there are 3 or more lanes) . the swaying of the trailers at 130km/h is nuts. Slow down and move right!!!
There is a whole lot worse than that...
AS a commuter on the 400 every day I see it all
1) driving to slow and refusing to move over
2) if you need two hands to handle your whopper get of the highway to eat. I think we all eat /drink with one hand while we drive with the other for simple things like coffee/fries and I think that is OK but for a bowl of cereal(some dude last week in the news) or a sub where you need two hands get off the road.
3) putting on makeup on the 400. If you are looking in the mirror to do this how is it yo are watching the road. There is one lady I see on the 400 once in a while doing this. Steer clear of her!!!
4) shaving.... do it at home!!!
5) driving with two feet and having the brake light on all the time. How is the guy behind you going to know when you really are braking.
6) the cars with no brake lights. The most important one is the one on the left. As a driver that is the one you see most. If it is burnt out the guy behind you may not know you are braking.
7)talking and taking notes on your cell phone, this takes two hands get off the road! Talk ok .. got no problem with that but if you need to take notes STOP the car... preferalbly at the side of the road..
8) texting on your cell phone ...eyes off the road get off the road
9) reading email on you blackberry....eyes off the road get off the road
and my all time fav....did not see it but was on the news...
10) Having sex on the highway.. a couple of years ago a guy going north on the 400
was stopped.. he had been not speeding (or not that much) but his lady was sitting on his lap facing him and they were doing the dirty while he was driving. GET A ROOM or at least get off the road.
enough rant!! | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 9:42:57 AM | Sunday
I am not going to bother commenting on most of what you wrote but...from the link you posted, you do not get a criminal record. It is the highway traffic act, which is a provincial statute, not a criminal code offence. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 1:32:32 PM | The link I posted is basically just the "new" definitions that have been added to the updated/ new laws [ Bill 203 ]- I wanted ppl to see that section 21 of the Bill amends the Highway Traffic Act (HTA) to increase the scope of the existing offence of “racing” to include “stunts” and “contests” - therefore, everything I listed before may fall under the new street racing laws and carry the same street racing penalties
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other amendments allow a police officer who believes a person is driving, or has driven, a motor vehicle on a highway in a “race”, “stunt” or “contest”, to suspend that person’s drivers licence for 7 days and impound the vehicle for 7 days and there is no right of appeal to either the suspension of the drivers licence or the vehicle impoundment, on any grounds - so tuff if you've been profiled or if it's mistaken identity
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allows for the creation of regulations that will allow any or all of the Highway Traffic Act to apply to the off-highway operation of motor vehicles - so pretty soon it won't matter wherte you go.
Well uneducated regular folk wanted a street raceing law, well here it is, we're all about to become criminals, no more border crossing, missed employment oportunities cuz of the record, etc... These are the same idiots who voted for newer air pollution regs and got Drive Clean Scam
again Im focussing on the rare heavy side of the laws, but it needs doing for ppl to sit up and take notice.
a lil more info --> http://www.corskan.on.ca/svao/pdfs/bill203-discussionpoints.pdf | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 2:33:27 PM | Sunday is right.
There are specific street racing-related charges in part VIII of the criminal code of Canada - if you are charged with one of these offenses, by definition, it becomes a criminal matter and a conviction now makes you a criminal, and just as he said, there are new definitions. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 3:51:44 PM | Have No Fear
Thanks for the reference. I did look at Part VIII Most of the offences have been on the books forever! I didn't know the street racing one was there already. Although, if you do kill or injure someone when driving like an ass, you should go to jail or at least get a criminal record.
Basically, for Sunday or anyone else, don't drive like an idiot, and you won't have to worry about it. Yes, everyone speeds. 20 over on the 400 series highway is reasonable. 30 over...a ticket is appropriate, but 50 over..no excuse for that. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 6:16:10 PM | Idrive the 400 daily and 120 is the minimum for 95 % of the drivers.
There was talk by the gov't to raise the limit to 120.. but it has never happened and so almost everyone is a speeder. The ones doing the limit become the hazzards. If it was 120 then 150 would only be 30 over. So the question is ...is it better to leave limit at 100 and nail 'racers' at 150 or raise the limit to 120 and 150 only be 30 above limit nd the racers nailed at 170. In my opinion it should be raised. It used to be 70mph which is about 112 km/h if my math is correct. Other provinces have 115 and 120 so it is not unreasonable. But raise it and then enforce it if you go 130 ...ticket...150 BIG TICKET...
Many days I am doing 130 in the middle lane and the OPP go by me on the left at 135 /140 . They are not trying to stop anyone just going with the flow like the 5 cars in front of them and the 5 cars behind. Remember if the lights and siren are not on they are to obey the rules as any other driver. What I find unacceptable is the next day they are pulling drivers over for going 125 and issueing tickets... No wonder the drivers in Ontario are fed up and do not know what the 'real' rules are to drive by.
3 things to do
1) raise the limit
2) enforce the limit
3) have the OPP obey too!!
On a slightly different perspective... if the govt was real smart...ya I know that is almost an imposibility.. they would put speed signs on the highway which are controlable from a central sight. Then on clear days the limit could be left alone but on days when the road has ice or snow on it they could change the sign and lower the limit. Then they could nail the idiots who still think they can go 120.
Just an idea!!!! | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 7:16:28 PM | CURIOUSABOUTYOU, what makes you think that Sunday drives like an idiot?
Would you like to be steryotyped? It's easy to say that you probably dont have the reaction time and motor skills necessary to drive well due to the fact that you are a female and older. Not nice is it.
Very conservative people would say that doing 115 in a 100 zone is idiotic and people who drive that fast should have their licences revoked, so who are you to declare that 150 is obsessive? It may be said that 150 is not fast enough for those with the skills and the vehicles that can attain 270Kms.
Some people can drive very fast and be safer than those doing the limit. Some cant drive for their life in rain or snow and others can do the limit in those conditions, Some can multitask while driving whereas others crash just fiddling with the climate controls. A large man can drive perfectly fine and blow over the legal limit and a small lady can blow half the legal limit and drive horribly, maybe even killing people. Some people simply cannot read english signs and some are afraid to drive fast. Some people are very considerate of other drivers and some are greedy. Perhaps only those who have passed skid controll school, emergency avoidance tests, understand minimum physics, have a minimun IQ of 90, and have a mechanical understanding of cars should drive on the roads, especially highways. Maybe make it like it is in parts of Europe where the cars go for annual mechanical inspections. Does that sound fair. | |
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