| new speeding penalties good or bad?
Posted: 10/24/2007 7:03:52 PM | Ok I am no math genius but 836 x 10000 = 8,360,000 (assuming the max fine is applied in all cases) not 836000
Again while excessive speed is probably an valid concern What is excessive speed?
in the a.m. 130km/h is not excessive it is the flow of traffic!!! If you are not doing it you are part of the problem!!!
The bigger problem is the driver who wants to do 140 and weaves in and out jumps on his brake causing a ripple effect for 100 cars to the rear. Or the driver in the left lane doing 100 (or less).
Of concern to me(not more or less just different) are the ladies putting on makeup at 120km/h, people on cell phones taking notes at the same time (talking is not the issue it is what hand is steering and where are your eyes), the guy looking for his smoke he just dropped between his legs(thats what the driver (he was a lawyer) who hit my mom from the rear said he was doing), drinking and driving because judgement is definatly impaired!!!
It is not the idea that these idiots need to be taken off the road I think most would agree with that. It is the stupid law and the way it is being applied. Guilty before your day in court so to speak. It goes against the grain of our society and it rules and processes. When processes are circumvented and due process not followed , peoples rights and freedoms are impaired. History shows that!!! A lot of our decisions as adults have been already taken from our hands and "the gov't" is making our decisions for us.
If it continues where will it lead? This is why many are saying in part that this law needs to be repealed and rewritten to follow more tradational method s of determining guilt!!
For me if you are doing something that can effect others then there sould be rules to provent it (ie speeding, racing) but if you do not want to wear a seat belt or a helmut as an adult that should be your decision. I think Iwould but it should still be my decision I would not be hurting anyone by not doing so. As for infants and kids some need protecting form their parents!!! Infant car seats are great for them, so they do not get tossed around like a sack of flour. Should a parent be allowed to make that decision? In my opinion ... again sometimes kids need protection from the decisions of parents however how many people over 45 had a car seat? , had a seat belt? used to lay in the back window of the car? We all survived.... but thats why they are called accidents cause it was not supposed to happen!!
Get it now!!
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Posted: 10/25/2007 11:27:50 AM | | Well I read just about enough garbage here to make me sick as far as I am concerned if this saves One life it is worth it. Someone here wrote driving is not a right but a privledge so think how you would feel if it was your son daughter or someone close who died because of the speeds being done on our highways and streets. I think everyone here even the ones who think this is unfair would change there toon and 2 to 10 thousand dollars of fine would not be enough for them. In our lives there are many ways for someone to die and just because so few die from this does not make it any less of a problem because in the end people do die and like drunk driving not usually the people who where the cause but the INNOCENT. So my advise to all is get a life and forget about how much of a ripoff this is and consider slowing down may just save your life of someone you love. | |
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Posted: 10/25/2007 3:28:07 PM |
It is the stupid law and the way it is being applied. Guilty before your day in court so to speak. It goes against the grain of our society and it rules and processes
Guilty before your day in court........OMG u were speeding and the Police have the right to charge u right away......come on BLOODYBAYFAN... 150km an hour...YOU are so guilty.... Do u not look at what people are saying.... Like Jim11552002 ...what if a family member or a loved one of yours is killed by someone that is speeding... how would you feel then...The signs on the Hwy say 100km..... so what does that mean... if your going over 100km you could be pulled over and given a fine for SPEEDING and if your SPEEDING by over 50km ...its alot more of a headache then its worth...... Is it worth it to speed and maybe cause an accident...to be somewhere 15 min or 1/2 or even an hour earlier....Is your time worth more than someones LIFE.....
Please think about it..............cause the next person killed by somone who speeds.......could be YOUR loved one................. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 5:42:58 AM | hehlooin4ulookin4me
I never said hey were not guilty or that they do not need to be punished
WHAT I SAID IS THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO A DAY IN COURT WITH A JUDGE AND/OR JURY THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!!! IT SHOULD NOT BE A COPS JOB TO ACT AS JUDGE AND JURY..NOT HIS JOB!!! | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 8:30:10 AM | Who has a better chance of causing an accident?
a real sports car doing 150 kilometers on the highway which isn't even taxing the vehicles capabilities or some cop doing 180 trying to catch them in a full family sized sedan that isn't engineered for performance driving regardless that they have some upgrading that helps control the car better.
This law is only about gaining more control over our lives but they have used deaths on the highway to gain emotional support.
No lives will be saved because of this law, speeders are going to speed anyways and like I mentioned in an earlier post....if someone is speeding and their adrenaline is already near maxed they may try to outrun a cop becoming more dangerous just to avoid a $10,000 fine plus lose their car. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 9:21:52 AM | My opinion has not changed from my response several days ago. The new speeding law is an excellent idea. In my opinion, the people who are doing the b!tching are no doubt the speeders.  | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 9:36:01 AM | ^^^^^^ if your calling me a speeder because you go by a posted limit only then are you right.
My 4 cylinder 94 cavalier can barely keep up in city traffic but when on the highway I go whatever the main flow of traffic is going which is usually from 120 to 140 on the 401 around Kitchener.
If I was to drive the speed limit then I would be a hazard. Most likely like you, or am I generalizing? | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 10:00:12 AM | Star Child55
RIGHT ON!!!!
Rose Boots
Do I go faster than the posted limit... sure...
Do I go faster than the flow...no!!!
Those not doing this are the hazzard whether it be they are going slower or faster than the flow. And I am not ****ing about the excessive speeders/weavers/slowpokes but the LAW.
The premise of this whole thread is not speeding good or bad the premise is is the LAW GOOD OR BAD.... IT IS BAD not becasue of its intent BUT because IT TAKES AWAY BASIC RIGHTS AND PRINCIPLES.
there once was a guy in germany(to name one) who started taking away basic rights and principles...started with small things and grew from there..history shows this..think about it!!! | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 10:04:21 AM | | Sooo.. taking away your basic right to endanger other lives? I do not go with the flow when the flow is 40 km over the speed limit. Am I a hazard, not as much as the speeders. If they don't like it, they can go around me. If they can't pass safely, they are driving too fast. If they were to obey the limit, a law abiding citizen would not be a hazard. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 10:11:10 AM | | Yes, you are the hazard. I just hope your smart enough to get over in the right hand lane where you belong. You should know by now that speed limits on major highways are rarely followed so if you can't handle the average speeds on the highways that are actually driven then please stick to the side roads where you will be less of a hazard to us all. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 10:37:00 AM | | I agree with Roseboots. I'm willing to bet the ones protesting the most are the worst speeding offenders. And I also believe one would have to be pretty stupid not to know the difference between going with the flow of traffic and blatantly breaking the law by going 50 KM over the limit. There is no need for that, and you can't tell me the flow of traffic normally ever exceeds the posted limit by that much. As for having your right to a day in Court....what a load of garbage. Anyone that still believes in that has obviously never had anything to do with our over-burdened Court system. Sometimes if you screw up, you just screw up. If people had any common sense or any consideration for anyone other than themselves, they'd just shut up and take the punishment they deserve. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 11:06:25 AM | ^^^^ Exactly!!!!
Not that I need to clarify something for anyone, but, I DO stay in the right hand lane; trying to stay away from the idiot drivers. | |
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| new speeding penalties good or bad?
Posted: 10/26/2007 11:31:56 AM | What this thread has shown me is that there is not limit to which some people will go to have there own way. Has this law stopped people from driving 50 kph over a posted limit, it does not appear so. Have there been fewer deaths on roads again, it does not appear so, granted the short term it has been in place. So for the sake of collecting or saving money, people think it is wise that we remove what was considered by many to be found guilty of an offence before one is punished, a concept some of our father’s died to protect. And that should any one dare question the rightness of that action on principle, they are accused of breaking laws for their own vested interest.
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| new speeding penalties good or bad?
Posted: 10/26/2007 11:57:05 AM | | how do you know is has? are you trying to suggest that because someone speed more than 50 kph over a posted limit, they will always kill some one? i did suggest that this is new, i have no doubt in a year or so from now someone will do a study, and we'll hear how great a law it is for saving lives. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 11:57:45 AM | Exactly roseboots............ i so agree with you
and i am sure the expense these idots have had to pay out... will make them think twice about speeding....
I am finding a difference on the 400 people are slowing down(most) and driving in the two far right lanes.. and the left lane is left for all those idiots who want to still speed way over the speed limit... | |
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| new speeding penalties good or bad?
Posted: 10/26/2007 12:16:10 PM |
i am sure the expense these idots have had to pay out... will make them think twice about speeding....
i do not have a problem with the cost of the fine,, just when it is imposed, if AFTER found guilty through due process, take there car, house, kids, invoke capital punishment if that is what most think is appropriate. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 12:48:36 PM | If any one thinks paying a fine will stop the racing/excessive speeding they are kidding themselves. Just like with drunk drivers the percentage of repeat offenders is high!!
People convicted of drunk driving and loose their license walk out of court and get in their car and pick up beer on the way home. (A Channnel did a story on this ...unbelievable what is REALLY happening. ) Even the day in court does not stop them. Neither will fines. The same will be with racers!!! Just cause there is a law it does not say people will follow it. How many people drive without insurance? LOTS! The law says you have to have it...
I find it so tragic that some of you are so moronic that you can not disinguish between
going with the flow and speeding or speeding and racing or driving like an idiot.
You are probably the ones doing 100 in the left lane.
I drive up and down the highway each day usually in the center or left lane. Usually the flow is going at 120 - 125 in the center lane and 125-130 in the left. I have had OPP cars pass me on the left following the 5 cars ahead of them and leading the 5 cars behind them . Not because they are attempting to stop someone not because their lights and siren are going but because they are driving the highway going with the flow of traffic.
Again the premise of this thread is law good or bad not is racing or driving like an idiot bad cause of course that is HUGELY BAD....BUT THE LAW THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN IS BAD... IT CIRCUMVENTS BASIC RIGHTS!!! And further to that it can punish the owner of the car when they were not even driving it. Tell me that is fair!!! Tell me that does anything!! | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 2:04:31 PM |
And further to that it can punish the owner of the car when they were not even driving it. Tell me that is fair!!! Tell me that does anything
Well if you lend your car to someone and they break the law...then i guess you cant trust that person anymore.... and i tell you if i lent my car out to one of my children and they were caught speeding , I would want the police officer to throw the book at my child.... and to have a license and the right to drive a car is something to be taken seriously.... and breaking the law ...is wrong.... Its a valued lesson in life..... | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 2:52:35 PM | ROSEBOOTS, 3 days ago I had an emergency call and had to drive out to the side of the highway in Uxbridge to tend to a collie who was seriously ill. The dog was there because he was being driven to my office by a lady who was in the left lane of the 404 hwy, she was doing 110Kms and was afraid to move over to the righter hand lanes because the flow of traffic around her was travelling at 130-140Kms and she said she couldnt get into the next lane because the ppl behind her pulled around her and she had no "open space" to change lanes. Well an unmarked car pulled up behind her and pulled her over. She told the cop she desperatly needed to get to the vet. Cop didnt care. She told the cop she was'nt speeding and he agreed, but he didnt care. He took her license and called for a tow truck. She had her van towed away for being in violation of the new laws, being that she was a hazard to other motorists. She will get it back from the impound in 4 days. The tow was 60Kms to the lot. Factor in the towing costs, the impond fee, and the $150 license reinstatement fee, she'll be paying almost $900, not including her fine of $3,700 fine, the charge, instant insurance spike, and legal fee's for court.
She was not speeding, but she did break the new law and obviosly because this happened to her, she IS GUILTY, well at least according to the cop who acted like the judge and jury, otherwise, why did she loose her van, right?
So ROSEBOOTS, be carefull because it sounds like your one of the criminals out there making the roads dangerous to your fellow drivers. Learn from her mistake and perhaps take heed in what has been written in this thread.
BTW, the collie died before I got there because she had to leave the dog there since the cop would not allow it in his cruiser, and by the time he dropped her off at a pay phone and I got her and got on sceene, it was too late. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 3:15:14 PM | How am I one of the criminals?? I don't drive in the left lane, I drive in the right lane. I'm sorry, the woman lost her dog, but, I will not drive at 140km an hour. Telling me I am one of the criminals, because I drive in the proper lane and obey the speed limits, is just insane.
I am really not sure what point you are trying to make. If all your friends jumped off a barn roof, would you? | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 4:00:45 PM | Have no fear!!
Glad to hear you get it!!!!!
Roseboots
While I agree that the lady doing 110 in the left lane is a nuisance and a problem and maybe should be charged with being an obstruction. Why was she not in the right lane? Then she would never have had to pannick when trying to move to the right. Had she sped up to the flow she could have moved right!! She is a problem. HOWEVER SHE DID NOT DESERVE TO HAVE HER CAR TAKEN AND TOWED. HOW COULD YOU (anyone)AGREE WITH THIS? (i know you did not say you did) THIS IS THE POINT THERE WAS NO NEED TO INVOKE THIS NEW LAW . IT IS WAY TOO FAR OUT OF LINE !! SHOULD THIS LADY NOT HAVE GOTTEN HER DAY IN COURT? YOU TELL ME!!
Further to that why did the officer have no compassion for the dog?
answer.... too anxious to use this new POWER of his!!!!! Cops should do the charging and the courts decide the guilt!!!!!
and do you drive over 100 in the right lane? do you drive under? THIS LAW COULD GET YOU TOO!!!! even the right lane often has a flow of 110 -115.
and the barn roof comment is a little out of context...
and no one asked you to drive at any speed but only with the flow left lane or right the same principal applies!! It is safer in the flow than not in it and causing others to make lanes changes and braking etc!! Do you not see that? I will say if it lane changes and passing has to happen better from right to left than left to right!!! It seems you are polite and stay to the right where many others do not!! | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 4:34:31 PM | The barn roof comment was not out of context. I wouldn't jump of a roof with a bunch of friends, to my probable death, so why would I drive 140 just because the crowd is.
There is nothing you can say that will change my mind about the new law, or speeders.
Those of us who are obeying the law, are not the ones to blame for the accidents, it's the maniacs who refuse to obey. If everyone obeyed the speed limit, there would be no maniacs snaking in and out of lanes. It amazes me that many just don't get that. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 5:09:45 PM | ROSEBOOTS, you simply dont get it.
Remember that guy David Vergo, the trucker who went off the road on Hwy 400?
Well guess what, an analyst said that he was using the leftest lane (illegal for him) to pass a woman who was in the middle lane (his passing lane) because she was going to slow (she should have been in the rightmost lane). He went in the left, she was in the middle (the two of them were now slowing down everyone in the leftmost and centre lanes forceing ppl to use the rightmost lane to pass, him sweeping over 3 lanes to get around her caused an open space in the rightmost lane by the time he swept over. So being an opening, ppl used it (supposedly speeding by) and then got infront of him as he was trying to get infront of the woman in the middle lane. Both of them were major contributors to the accident and his death. Had that woman been in the rightmost lane, David could have moved into the middle lane and passed the woman and then got infront of her and continued on, leaving the leftmost lane for higher flow traffic, and he would never have died. But no, they have to blame street racers. Well they werent street racers and they were driving stock (unmodified) cars.
ROSEBOOTS, if you drive slower then the flow and you are in the middle lanes, you pose a hazard not only to other drivers, but to yourself as well. Why does this happen? Because you are slowing down traffic, in essence creating traffic and gridlock. Ppl behind you want to get around you, so they try passing you in the right lanes. Well that means that they are now comming up fast on slower traffic and rear end collisions happen, and they then try to avoid a rear ending someone, so they cut you off. When cops see this, they pull YOU over and issue you a citation for careless/hazardous driving. There is a reason why transport trucks are not allowed in the left lanes.
Some stats found in the Star newspaper. Street racing accounts for aprox 0.11% of total accidents (thats including the media hyped non racing accidents). Police chases cause 0.44%. (4 times more than racing). Driving slower than the posted limit 0.14% (more than racing). Being distracted by something inside the vehicle, such as talking to a passenger, adjusting a mirror, fiddling with a radio or eating 13%. Drunk driving 30%.
So you see ROSEBOOTS, statistically you are a little more angerous than street racers. Maybe we should create a law to take ppl like you off of the roads, does this sound fair? Of course not, it's just as rediculous as this new law. Oh and my client with the dead dog, well the cop fined her $3,700 instead of the base $2,000 because she bickered with him, which by the way is also the new law. Argue with a cop and they can increase the fine. Still sound like a good law to you, hope you never get nabbed while in a foul mood, could cost you thousands more. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2007 5:12:26 PM | rose boots
yes it is.. cause if you do not jump off the roof no harm can come to you but if you do not keep up with the flow much harm to you and others can happen. Maybe not directly by your action but certainly indirectly. Two completely different scenarios.
My advice to you is if you do not want to play the game(aka go with the flow) don't join in(aka stay off the highway)
As I said before even the OPP plays the game by the rules presented and not the posted limit!!! Does that make it right..NO.. but that is the way it is!!!! DEAL WITH IT!! Just as those are now having to deal with the New Law ( I noticed you did not say if you agreed or agreed with the actions of the cop on the lady with the dog.) | |
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